Draft ruling shows Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade: report

[rpgamer]

Pro lifers: "We have to protect every fetus, all life is sacred

Also pro lifers:

 

[Top Gun]

Such a loving relationship he had with his father.

[Seight]

1 hour ago, rpgamer said:

Pro lifers: "We have to protect every fetus, all life is sacred

Also pro lifers:

 

First off: "Dennis Prager? LOOOOOOOL."

I have no additional notes.

[matrixman124]

Holy shit

 

[Raptorpat]

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1616154337335443493

[katt_goddess]

Translation - there's at least a couple of idiots who were more than happy to share the Good News™ with their religious bigot buddies but outing them would hurt important fee-fees.  

[Raptorpat]

it's alito bit suspicious

[SwimOdin]

Someone has a Hobby of things getting out into various Lobby…s. The same person certainly couldn’t do it twice.

[Seight]

6 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1616154337335443493

"Sorry, we couldn't find them, so...you know, darn."

[Raptorpat]

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A Texas federal judge ruled Friday to suspend the FDA’s approval of mifepristone — one of two drugs used together to cause an abortion — virtually banning the sale of the pills across the country.

The decision, however, gives the Biden administration a week to appeal, meaning the hundreds of thousands of patients who use the medication both for abortions and treating miscarriages will not be immediately impacted.

The pills, which the FDA approved for use in the first 10 weeks of pregnancy more than two decades ago, recently became the most common method of abortion in the United States, and a way many people have circumvented state bans since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last June.

Both abortion-rights supporters and opponents have focused intensely on the pills in recent months — leading to clashes in state legislatures, regulatory agencies, and the courts.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/07/texas-judge-halts-fda-approval-of-abortion-pill-00091096

[MasqueradeOverture]

Aw man.

What am I gonna grind into this tinder date's breakfast now?

[katt_goddess]

A Texas 'judge' who in all likelihood thinks animal dewormer is an acceptable medicine cabinet item should not be ruling on something that he will never have to even consider taking himself. 

You want to make medical decisions for others, you get a real doctorate in medicine. 

[Raptorpat]

Well this is one way to shortcut it:

https://www.insider.com/washington-judge-forbids-fda-removing-mifepristone-contradicts-texas-ruling-2023-4

[1pooh4u]

Good without mifepristone abortion by pill becomes less effective and more painful 

idaho passed a bill making interstate travel seeking abortions for minors a crime called “abortion trafficking” idk how this is constitutional. They probably specify assisting minors cuz for some reason people under 18 have no constitutional rights. Idfk 🤷‍♀️

[Raptorpat]

I feel like the majority opinion or one of the concurrences explicitly said they couldn't/wouldn't allow the prohibition of interstate abortions.

[1pooh4u]

39 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

I feel like the majority opinion or one of the concurrences explicitly said they couldn't/wouldn't allow the prohibition of interstate abortions.

Didn’t Kavanaugh say that although abortion isn’t protected the scotus wouldn’t allow laws that unreasonably blocked access?  I vaguely remember what you’re saying though about interstate travel but I think the qualification of adult assisting minors is the thing that makes it perfectly fine because it’s not restricting adults from traveling if they’re seeking an abortion 

[Raptorpat]

That might be what I'm remembering

[katt_goddess]

On 4/7/2023 at 8:03 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Good without mifepristone abortion by pill becomes less effective and more painful 

idaho passed a bill making interstate travel seeking abortions for minors a crime called “abortion trafficking” idk how this is constitutional. They probably specify assisting minors cuz for some reason people under 18 have no constitutional rights. Idfk 🤷‍♀️

Idaho is a state that is absolutely riddled with hill-people. Not even joking. They live in their tiny communities, re-word religious texts to suit whatever the grief du jour is by the head of the household [ male only ], and collect them guns for the day when the feds come a-knockin'. I think some of my SiL's family is from out there and I just wanted to pimp slap some of them right out of the funeral. Girls have no rights other than the right to do what they are told by the males of their family. 

[1pooh4u]

There’s a call from some politicians to ignore the TX ruling to overturn FDA approval of mefiprestone. Maybe Biden admin should ignore it, idk. Could get hairy if we go that route but what choice do we have?  The ruling is ridiculous the drug been around over 20 years. Studies have been done. It’s safe.  Even if one thinks it was approved too quickly or whatever they can’t just deny 23 years of use and subsequent study 

[1pooh4u]

The SC extended the stay on the mefiprestone ruling that banned the drug but that doesn’t mean they won’t eventually agree with that court. 
 

I thought the courts weren’t supposed to get involved in FDA decisions but idk seems like they’re doing that so maybe I imagined that 

[SwimOdin]

This SCOTUS wants to be involved in everything AND be above reproach.

[1pooh4u]

They definitely do seem to want their cake and eat it too.  Which seems to be exactly what they’re doing. Pigging out on cake 

[naraku360]

3 hours ago, SwimOdin said:

This SCOTUS wants to be involved in everything AND be above reproach.

I like to call them the SCROTUS

[1pooh4u]

The SC has stayed the decision, keeping mefiprestone available for now, but tbh I think the drug is doomed. Don’t matter that it’s 4 times safer than penicillin and 50 times safer than viagra. This SC has no issues stepping over lines and boundaries.  
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mifepristone-ruling-supreme-court-scotus-abortion-b2324106.html

[1pooh4u]

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3963320-the-mifepristone-ruling-lacks-both-standing-and-merit-will-scotus-preserve-our-rights-or-quash-them/amp/

[Raptorpat]

8 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

The SC has stayed the decision, keeping mefiprestone available for now, but tbh I think the drug is doomed. Don’t matter that it’s 4 times safer than penicillin and 50 times safer than viagra. This SC has no issues stepping over lines and boundaries.  
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mifepristone-ruling-supreme-court-scotus-abortion-b2324106.html

The stay was 7-2, Thomas and Alito would have denied the stay. Alito wrote a dissent trying to frame the libs as hypocrites: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22a901_3d9g.pdf

[discolé monade]

13 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

The SC has stayed the decision, keeping mefiprestone available for now, but tbh I think the drug is doomed. Don’t matter that it’s 4 times safer than penicillin and 50 times safer than viagra. This SC has no issues stepping over lines and boundaries.  
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mifepristone-ruling-supreme-court-scotus-abortion-b2324106.html

all because some swinging dick came to court crying boo fucking hoo. 

kacsackofshite, that is....kacsmaryks brings this bullshit concern to the floor. the drug in question has been in use for over 23 years. 
the drug in question, is safer than some insulins and 10x safer than viagra. 
his basis for this and other bullshit claims comes from an actual blog. 

 

[scoobdog]

43 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

The SC has stayed the decision, keeping mefiprestone available for now, but tbh I think the drug is doomed. Don’t matter that it’s 4 times safer than penicillin and 50 times safer than viagra. This SC has no issues stepping over lines and boundaries.  
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mifepristone-ruling-supreme-court-scotus-abortion-b2324106.html

I think the lopsided vote suggests the Supreme Court’s conservatives felt at least some pressure from Big Pharma.  We know who’s pocket Thomas is in; we don’t know who’s pockets Gorsuch, Kavenaugh, ACB, and Roberts are in.

[1pooh4u]

1 hour ago, discolé monade said:

all because some swinging dick came to court crying boo fucking hoo. 

kacsackofshite, that is....kacsmaryks brings this bullshit concern to the floor. the drug in question has been in use for over 23 years. 
the drug in question, is safer than some insulins and 10x safer than viagra. 
his basis for this and other bullshit claims comes from an actual blog. 

 

The judge got his info from a blog called “abortion changes you” so fuckin stupid 

[1pooh4u]

44 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

I think the lopsided vote suggests the Supreme Court’s conservatives felt at least some pressure from Big Pharma.  We know who’s pocket Thomas is in; we don’t know who’s pockets Gorsuch, Kavenaugh, ACB, and Roberts are in.

I completely forgot our courts are paid for by big pharma. Lucky for us in this case. 

[Jman]

12 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

I completely forgot our courts are paid for by big pharma. Lucky for us in this case. 

Yeah, it’s adverse interest to not let safe prescriptions sell for profit.

[Raptorpat]

1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

The judge got his info from a blog called “abortion changes you” so fuckin stupid 

lol he probably wrote the blog and then took his name off it right before he was nominated

[Raptorpat]

Ohio voters overwhelmingly rejected a GOP-led referendum to make it harder to approve a state constitutional amendment. There's a ballot initiative coming up to protect abortion in the state constitution (which all polling indicates will pass in the high 50s), so this would have upped the bare majority requirement to 60% to prevent the amendment from hitting that threshold because they weren't honest when they said "let the states decide".

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The measure would have raised the threshold to pass a constitutional amendment from a simple majority to 60 percent, as well as make it more complicated to get citizen-initiated ballot measures before voters in the first place. Both sides of the issue drew national attention and millions of dollars during the lead-up to what was expected to be an under-the-radar, off-year summer special election.

...

With the November vote on the horizon, the election became a proxy war over abortion rights — although proponents of Issue 1 insisted that it’s not just about abortion, but rather protecting the state Constitution from special interests.

Abortion-rights efforts prevailed in states across the country last year, as well as earlier this year in Wisconsin. But raising the bar would have created a new hurdle for the one on the ballot in Ohio this fall, as it’s unclear if it would pass a 60 percent threshold.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/08/ohio-constitution-abortion-voting-00110394

[SwimOdin]

Republicans really cannot stand voting.

[ghostrek]

8 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

Ohio voters overwhelmingly rejected a GOP-led referendum to make it harder to approve a state constitutional amendment. There's a ballot initiative coming up to protect abortion in the state constitution (which all polling indicates will pass in the high 50s), so this would have upped the bare majority requirement to 60% to prevent the amendment from hitting that threshold because they weren't honest when they said "let the states decide".

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/08/ohio-constitution-abortion-voting-00110394

look as  a  Ohioan  this is a ridiculous idea that people are looking at my state from outside my state and complaining look my states internal politics is yes predominantly Republican but there's a lot of other issues next to the abortion issues that outside interest on both sides are fighting in Ohio. Ohio's politics has a lot of internal issues that people outside the state don't understand

Edited August 9, 2023 by ghostrek

[André Toulon]

Well, think I'll have a seat here.

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by André Toulon

[Seight]

1 hour ago, SwimOdin said:

Republicans really cannot stand voting.

They like everything about democracy except that pesky "democracy" part.

[discolé monade]

58 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

look as  a  Ohioan  this is a ridiculous idea that people are looking at my state from outside my state and complaining look my states internal politics is yes predominantly Republican but there's a lot of other issues next to the abortion issues that outside interest on both sides are fighting in Ohio. Ohio's politics has a lot of internal issues that people outside the state don't understand

your state is not special in this aspect. 

my local government is trying to tax it's citizens 400k$ for an AG center' an open door large barn, a place to show slautering animals under the guise of 4-H. 

they already got 400K$ from funding meant to help COMMUNITY efforts, and low income housing.  800k$ for a barn, and yet we have families living in cars. 

i went and addressed the commissioners, and will continue to do so. 

MY next venture is to submit a proposal, on making this country a woman's reproductive sanctuary county. i mean...why not, they just passed that bullshit 2nd amend. city. 

i guess the point i'm making  is, are you involved with your government, just at the local level? 

and also, WHO is looking at your state? georgia sure isn't, they are doing they're own version of 2023 schadenfreude down here. 

[ghostrek]

6 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

your state is not special in this aspect. 

my local government is trying to tax it's citizens 400k$ for an AG center' an open door large barn, a place to show slautering animals under the guise of 4-H. 

they already got 400K$ from funding meant to help COMMUNITY efforts, and low income housing.  800k$ for a barn, and yet we have families living in cars. 

i went and addressed the commissioners, and will continue to do so. 

MY next venture is to submit a proposal, on making this country a woman's reproductive sanctuary county. i mean...why not, they just passed that bullshit 2nd amend. city. 

i guess the point i'm making  is, are you involved with your government, just at the local level? 

and also, WHO is looking at your state? georgia sure isn't, they are doing they're own version of 2023 schadenfreude down here. 

Okay what I mean by internal politics is basically there's a lot of conflicting groups both internal to to both sides of the aisle liberal / left and rights / conservatives are internally at each other's quotes a lot of union members in my state or more right-wing than left But traditionally there are a Democratic party voting block. And a lot of the anabaptist groups comes to in my state or more pacifist  but view traditional Republican promillary that their traditionally if they vote or considered lumped into American religious conservatives

no I don't believe in local government  due to historical precedence that I believe state governments are invalid i'm not saying we don't have them we need a local form of government on all levels but the amounts of power they have is bullshit due to historical preferences to the conflict we had internally in the mid 1800s

plus more many local state governments are more corrupt in the fuckers and Washington

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by ghostrek

[Raptorpat]

4 hours ago, discolé monade said:

and also, WHO is looking at your state?

me, Ohio state-level politics is an absolute shit show on the top tier of disproportionate partisan control (a moderate right-leaning state governed like its Idaho) where the gerrymandered supermajorities don't feel beholden to anyone but their caucuses to the point where they openly flout the courts, the governor, and the voters.

that attitude is why they thought they could get away with this. 

[Raptorpat]

Some quotes from a local article, worth the read in full though.

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Ohio voters rejected Issue 1 on Tuesday, dealing a blow to Republicans who wanted to hamstring a November ballot question on abortion rights.

The no vote prevailed 57% to 43% with over 3 million votes cast, according to unofficial results. About 58,000 absentee and provisional ballots were outstanding as of Wednesday.

...

Tuesday’s election was the culmination of a months-long fight that began last year, when Secretary of State Frank LaRose and Rep. Brian Stewart, R-Ashville, first introduced a plan to tighten the rules for constitutional amendments. The debate played out in the halls of the Ohio Statehouse, on the campaign trail and even in the courtroom as opponents tried to stop GOP lawmakers in their tracks.

Proponents of the measure said they wanted to keep controversial policies out of the constitution and reserve it for the state's fundamental rights and values. Critics argued the ballot measure was a power grab that would hinder the rights of citizens to place a constitutional amendment on the ballot.

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Tuesday's outcome means it's business as usual for changing the Ohio Constitution. Future proposed amendments will only need a simple majority of the vote to take effect, and there will be no changes to the signature-gathering process for citizen groups.

That's good news for supporters of abortion access, who placed a proposal on the November ballot to enshrine reproductive rights in the constitution. Republicans set the August election to preempt that vote and make it harder for the abortion amendment to pass.

...

The move turned Tuesday’s election into a nationally watched proxy war over the abortion debate, as Ohio is the only state voting on the issue in 2023.

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Senate President Matt Huffman, R-Lima, said supporters of Issue 1 didn't have enough time to educate voters about the issue, even though Republican lawmakers unilaterally set the August election date. And Huffman suggested this question could come before Ohioans again in the future.

"I think it's a question that was worth asking of the voters, not only because of the two issues that are on the ballot in November, but the six to 10 that are planned over the next couple of years," Huffman said.

Both campaigns were largely bankrolled by out-of-state donors, even as they railed against the influence of outside interests. Protect Our Constitution received most of its funding from Illinois billionaire and conservative donor Richard Uihlein, while opponents got substantial help from progressive groups in California and Washington, D.C.

The full cost of the election won’t be known until September, when the campaigns face their next filing deadline.

Their efforts appeared to pay off. Critics of Issue 1 were concerned that turnout would be low, and lawmakers limited August special elections for that very reason. But voter enthusiasm ultimately exceeded expectations. Early in-person and absentee voting outpaced early turnout for the May 2022 primary, and unofficial results put overall turnout around 38%.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2023/08/08/ohio-issue-1-special-electionresults-voters-decide-tuesday-on-august-8-ballot-issue/70487461007/

[discolé monade]

i get why you would. 

but looking at 'business as usual' down this way, we have obvious 'spectres' that have assisted with gerrymandering, under the guise of census, or lack of. it was voted that surrounding county information, could be used as a model for how it would be believed that a particular group would have surveyed. this made gerrymandering easier. the law that made that possible was in 2009 (?). 

that ag center thing i was talking about. that contract comes with stipulations that the county can not boycott israel. that the county can not have business ties with communist countries. to include cuba, n. korea, russia. i think it was a way to try and segue into convincing him into going to city hall / county meetings. it's pretty slimey down at the level of government OR how the trickle down effect looks at the bottom of the g.o.p. flagpole. 

and, in no way is this anything other than a thank you to you pat. because you are the one from the boards i get the dumbed down version of wtf is happening in the political arena.

 

[katt_goddess]

14 hours ago, SwimOdin said:

Republicans really cannot stand voting.

They've said it on more than one occasion that if everyone who could vote was allowed to vote, no republican would ever get elected again. 

They say that like its some sort of horrible threat to the world instead of a moment of realization that they are shitheels and if they can't change for the people, the people don't want them around anymore. 

[discolé monade]

15 hours ago, SwimOdin said:

Republicans really cannot stand voting.

 

49 minutes ago, katt_goddess said:

They've said it on more than one occasion that if everyone who could vote was allowed to vote, no republican would ever get elected again. 

They say that like its some sort of horrible threat to the world instead of a moment of realization that they are shitheels and if they can't change for the people, the people don't want them around anymore. 

there are key players that have meetings to figure out the loopholes for gerrymandering, and voter supression, and it's not secret information. 

there were some mail in ballots, that arrived with the mail back envelope, was already sealed. and can't break the seal. 

the census thing, that one blew my mind. i knew they were important, but i didn't realize that NOT filling them out, helps with the gerrymandering. 

spectres, telling young men things like 'if you owe child support, they'll find you', or older folks 'now they'll be in your bank business', wild, outlandish scary stories, to keep the marginalized person from voting, in this case, POC, primarily the black community. 

 

we can all agree, that this coordinated effort, has been in play for a few decades. *looking at you, john birch society*

[ghostrek]

17 hours ago, SwimOdin said:

Republicans really cannot stand voting.

?  Come again @SwimOdin 

[scoobdog]

24 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

?  Come again @SwimOdin 

Pfffffffffft

[stilgar]

2 hours ago, ghostrek said:

?  Come again @SwimOdin 

You can't just demand someone have another orgasm ghostie.

[SwimOdin]

6 hours ago, ghostrek said:

?  Come again @SwimOdin 

I’m in my refractory period

[Raptorpat]

Ohio legislature trying to figure out how to gut the abortion constitutional amendment

https://twitter.com/AndrewJTobias/status/1724087865922011634

[Top Gun]

Yeah I'm sure that won't get laughed out of the building by any constitutional scholar.