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Ill get to the potential decision in another point, but first the leak.

 

 

The FBI is going to be pulled in to try and find the leaker. In the entire history of SCOTUS this kind of leak is simply unprecedented. Its also a horrible thing to have happen.  The only reason a decision would leak is to try and put political pressure on SCOTUS to change their minds. Until the decision is issued any justice can change their mind. Its pretty clear that this leak was done with political intentions in mind to put pressure on someone to change their mind. Hopefully they do not or this opens up a potential dark chapter in the history of SCOTUS where decisions become routinely leaked to try and create political pressure to change a justices mind.

 

If the leak came from a Justice then they will likely find themselves completely ostracized from the rest of the court for as long as they serve. Unless it was Breyer who is retiring anyways, but I dont think it was him. He respects the institution too much to do this.

It could be Roberts himself who leaked this. He is obsessed with the legacy and legitimacy of the court. He was rumored to be trying to convince people to come to his side just last week. If he couldnt, then this leak may be his desperate play to change votes.

Im leaning more toward it being a Clerk who decided to make some waves because of their own political beliefs. If thats the case then the clerk is done in major law. No major law firm will hire them, and SCOTUS will avoid them, and any case they are on, for the rest of their lives. Its a total career ender for any Clerk who leaks SCOTUS decisions.

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For the actual decision now.

Im surprised at just how full throated the repudiation of Roe is, if this winds up being the actual decision. I fully expected Casey to be overturned, but not Roe. A quick look at the decision and its not entirely wrong either. Abortion isnt mentioned anywhere in the constitution. It was essentially a made up right that the courts created rather than let play out in the legislative process. All they are doing here is sending the decision back to the People to decide through elections and the legislative process. So, I agree with the fundamental principal of the ruling.  These issues need to be tackled by the people through elections and the legislative process. Our politicians need to stop relying on the courts to make the tough calls that they are too cowardly to make.

That said, I'm not a huge fan of the decision. I'm a firm believer in bodily autonomy, and the ability for a woman to have an abortion is absolutely a part of that. I may not always agree with the decision to have an abortion, but its up to an individual to make, not someone else.  Whenever the government starts to make decisions for people I tend to not agree with it. Plus, this wont actually stop abortions. We all know what happens when the government creates a black-market with drugs. The same thing is absolutely going to happen with abortions, and its going to cost lives, just like the black market for drugs.

Hate all you all want on those seemingly contradictory positions, but thats where Im at. I think the decision is correct legally speaking, but I really dont like it.

Its up to the states now to decide on what to do next. Theres a bunch that have been moving either pro or anti abortion in recent years expecting this kind of decision to come. My state just passed some very open abortion laws, and we are surrounded by states that passed very anti-abortion laws.  Abortion tourism is absolutely going to be a thing here. Im hoping that we have the resources to help women get here if they need to, because its absolutely going to be tougher for poor women to get abortions now.

 

Politically, this could be a big win for Democrats and help blunt their losses this year. But that all depends on just how far they push this. Most Americans agree that Abortion should be legal, but there are varying degrees of opinion there. The general consensus is that Abortion up to the 3rd Trimester should have unfettered access, but in the 3rd trimester more regulations apply. If Dems go with that as their position they absolutely could turn this into a winning issue for them. However, if they go full blown "any time, any reason, no regulations at all" then that risks alienating just enough people that they cant turn this into a win. That position isnt popular outside of the Democratic Base and the bluest of blue areas in the country. Theres a good number of traditional Democratic voters who dont support the full-blown abortion position that the more vocal base does, including a substantial portion of the Hispanic vote that tends to be more religious and was already trending toward the GOP. This same argument goes for the GOP though. They could fuck it up by going for full bans when that isnt the popular position either. Any politician that runs on a moderate position will likely see support on this issue because the moderate position seems to be the general consensus on this issue.

This is the ultimate political grenade being thrown into the room, and no one knows what happens next.

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I doubt the leaker was looking to gain references for the future prospect of throwing out the Thomas family’s sedition plans or disposing of the empty beer cans in Kavanaugh’s office. 

Much like the Trump administration leaks, the SCOTUS is experiencing this because they have been thoroughly delegitimized as representatives of the American people, and have fully accepted their role as an accessory for the Republican Party to roll back on our nation’s freedoms. 

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If course it's not in the constitution. Lots of things aren't. The damned thing is near 250 years old. Can we not keep referring to it to continue guiding modern law? Or if we insist, maybe at least get it updated once in a while? Too sensible?

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2 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

If course it's not in the constitution. Lots of things aren't. The damned thing is near 250 years old. Can we not keep referring to it to continue guiding modern law? Or if we insist, maybe at least get it updated once in a while? Too sensible?

Luckily we have the ability to update it.  That's the entire point of the Amendment process.


We absolutely have the tools to change the Constitution and include new rights, we just lack the political will to do so anymore. None of our leaders want to do the tough thing anymore, they want the easy way out.

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19 minutes ago, Chapinator_X said:

I doubt the leaker was looking to gain references for the future prospect of throwing out the Thomas family’s sedition plans or disposing of the empty beer cans in Kavanaugh’s office. 

Much like the Trump administration leaks, the SCOTUS is experiencing this because they have been thoroughly delegitimized as representatives of the American people, and have fully accepted their role as an accessory for the Republican Party to roll back on our nation’s freedoms. 

Absolutely this.  Talk about the hypothetical clerk losing his or her career in law after this is probably moot in that all likelihood the source of the leak will never be explicitly identified.  More importantly, I tend to agree with the assertion that Roberts most likely had some idea the leak would happen because the leaked document itself is so problematic.  It ignores precedent so completely that it does more damage to the reputation of the court than the leak would, and, as the Chief Justice, he has to know what's at stake if a decision like this came out as official.  That's not to say he would ever allow such a leak to happen on his watch, just that he had to have foreseen how problematic this would be an how he could capitalize on the leak once it did happen.

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Md complaining the leak is trying to make the justices change their minds through political pressure all the while ignoring the shit justices who let their own personal politics cloud their vision and show all of the world what a joke every branch of our government is. 

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2 hours ago, rpgamer said:

If course it's not in the constitution. Lots of things aren't. The damned thing is near 250 years old. Can we not keep referring to it to continue guiding modern law? Or if we insist, maybe at least get it updated once in a while? Too sensible?

I'm of the school of thought a new constitution is needed at this point. The current one left us a system of government that's on the verge of non-functional in the current age and not at all very representative. Look at the Senate, electoral college and the supreme court as things that do not hold up very well when it comes to representative democracy.

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3 hours ago, ZoomBubba said:

I'm of the school of thought a new constitution is needed at this point. The current one left us a system of government that's on the verge of non-functional in the current age and not at all very representative. Look at the Senate, electoral college and the supreme court as things that do not hold up very well when it comes to representative democracy.

I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude some change needs to happen in some capacity. Obviously the reality is that it never will. We've inextricably linked things like nationalism and patriotism and "dedication to the """founding fathers"""" (as if anyone knows what that even means anymore), building up this idea that our country is clearly perfect and should never change and in fact maybe we changed too much already and need to go backwards, etc. The entire identity of conservatives is stagnation in service to some ideal that never existed.

Sometimes kinda suspect this country would sooner split than ever actually recognize the need to modernize.

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3 hours ago, ZoomBubba said:

I'm of the school of thought a new constitution is needed at this point. The current one left us a system of government that's on the verge of non-functional in the current age and not at all very representative. Look at the Senate, electoral college and the supreme court as things that do not hold up very well when it comes to representative democracy.

Meanwhile Dems won't even tweak the SC or add more states

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19 hours ago, scoobdog said:

Absolutely this.  Talk about the hypothetical clerk losing his or her career in law after this is probably moot in that all likelihood the source of the leak will never be explicitly identified.  More importantly, I tend to agree with the assertion that Roberts most likely had some idea the leak would happen because the leaked document itself is so problematic.  It ignores precedent so completely that it does more damage to the reputation of the court than the leak would, and, as the Chief Justice, he has to know what's at stake if a decision like this came out as official.  That's not to say he would ever allow such a leak to happen on his watch, just that he had to have foreseen how problematic this would be an how he could capitalize on the leak once it did happen.

Going back to this, it also taps into redefining ethics and morality in our institutions.

Any discussion of needing an investigation on finding the leaker or clerk is already a red flag with our current SCOTUS.

Sending confidential documents to the press is made to be this unforgivably egregious act. But where does that leave perjury from a SC justice (all of Trump’s appointees claimed Roe was settled under oath), one of the same justices accruing absurd amounts of debt, and another justice playing a role in the January 6th insurrection? Do the rules stop applying once you’re appointed to the SC? 

People are already speculating on whether the leaker wanted the liberals to get heated up to fight back or intended for conservatives to get amped up and pressure the right wing judges to stick with their decisions. If Supreme Court decisions are getting the same kind of spectator sport theatrics that Congress and the House campaign on, then it’s clear that the courts have been compromised by the same petty politics and wanton criminal activity that ended the legitimacy of the legislative branch. 

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1 hour ago, Chapinator_X said:

Going back to this, it also taps into redefining ethics and morality in our institutions.

Any discussion of needing an investigation on finding the leaker or clerk is already a red flag with our current SCOTUS.

Sending confidential documents to the press is made to be this unforgivably egregious act. But where does that leave perjury from a SC justice (all of Trump’s appointees claimed Roe was settled under oath), one of the same justices accruing absurd amounts of debt, and another justice playing a role in the January 6th insurrection? Do the rules stop applying once you’re appointed to the SC? 

People are already speculating on whether the leaker wanted the liberals to get heated up to fight back or intended for conservatives to get amped up and pressure the right wing judges to stick with their decisions. If Supreme Court decisions are getting the same kind of spectator sport theatrics that Congress and the House campaign on, then it’s clear that the courts have been compromised by the same petty politics and wanton criminal activity that ended the legitimacy of the legislative branch. 

Indeed.

In subsequent analysis by the media, it’s been pointed out that one this leak potentially ends up galvanizing each bloc on the court, creating a resilient impasse for Roberts as he attempts to broker a more tempered and restricted reversal of Roe, presumably one that pays at least some lip service to a woman’s autonomy.  Whether or not the leaker is right to expose the draft, the leak unquestionably causes irreversible damage to the decision process, and it permanently diminishes public trust in this court.  The question then is who is responsible.

 It’s hard to suggest that an appointee is perjuring him or herself just by changing an stance on precedent.  Arguably, Gorsuch and Kavenaugh could decide it isn’t established law based on the specifics of the case.  Notably, we’re only seeing Alito’s opinion so we don’t know how any of the others would modify and temper the draft to a final opinion.  Nonetheless, nobody could reasonably look at the confirmation process and say that it isn’t corrupted.  The last two appointed judges were widely seen as unqualified by independent observers, and the naked partisanship in their hearings left little doubt they were going to be less than partial.  Removing the courts ability to obscure the thinking process essentially just confirms that what we thought was happening actually is happening.  Importantly, it does nothing to prove or disprove outside interference on its own though.

 This is why I suspect the leaker will never be identified.  We might be exposing an extreme and poorly argued argument, but it’s not unvarnished.  The degree of trust it betrays is significantly less than of personal communications between justices or, worse, justices and outsiders to the court.  It might be embarrassing to Alito, but that’s because it’s so poorly written and so beneath the standards of even past decisions of this same court.  It really serves more as a cautionary tale to the justices themselves than it illuminates for us citizens.

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Counter-point: Dude should still know better than to just go for it without first educating himself on risks and safety.

But then, I guess probably it was a lot harder to find like-minded people back then.. Sometimes we might forget how easy the kink community has it these days.

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2 hours ago, rpgamer said:

Counter-point: Dude should still know better than to just go for it without first educating himself on risks and safety.

But then, I guess probably it was a lot harder to find like-minded people back then.. Sometimes we might forget how easy the kink community has it these days.

True, in Morris' time you would have to go to the Town Square and ask "I do say, what are the newest methods for providing pleasure to oneself and/or others?" and wait for an answer.

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On 5/4/2022 at 7:44 PM, Seight said:

True, in Morris' time you would have to go to the Town Square and ask "I do say, what are the newest methods for providing pleasure to oneself and/or others?" and wait for an answer.

There was a pretty mundane reason he did it. He was trying to clear urinary blockage and back in those days, sticking bones in your peehole to serve as catheters was one of the methods. People were making catheters since at least 3000 B.C. with them being made out of stuff like  straw, rolled up palm leaves, hollow tops of onions, as well as, gold, silver, copper, brass, and lead. None of them sound too pleasant as far as peehole insertion.

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On 5/4/2022 at 7:44 PM, Seight said:

True, in Morris' time you would have to go to the Town Square and ask "I do say, what are the newest methods for providing pleasure to oneself and/or others?" and wait for an answer.

you just shout it into the crowd?!! XD

 

 

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So, this was filed....

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/05/SchmittLandryFiling.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto,-18,792

The AGs of Louisiana and Missouri are suing various Democrats in their official capacity for collusion with "big tech" companies to suppress information, including information relating to Hunter Biden's laptop contents and information regarding treatment and origins of CoVid-19.

Oh, speaking of Hunter's laptop and lawsuits, the owner of the repair shop has filed a defamation suit against various Democrats.

 

 

"You get what you fucking deserve"

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[ covid ] Not a real thing. Just a bad flu. China started it! Try eating farm animal dewormer, injecting bleach, and / or shoving twinkle lights up your ass! *smug face

[ masks ] Mask mandates are an attack on personal bodily sovereignty and take away from my right to make my own medical decisions! *smug face

[ vaccines ] Mandatory vaccines are an attack on personal bodily sovereignty and take away from my right to make my own medical decisions! *smug face

[ Russia invades Ukraine ] HUNTER BIDEN'S LAPTOP! THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER! *smug face

[ Roe v Wade aka Women's Rights to make their own medical decisions ] Who leaked the draft? That person is the worst person in the world and that's the real story, nothing else should matter! *smug face

[ Black Lives Matter ] 'All' lives matter. But some more than others. Now watch as we complain about out-of-state protesters while cheerleading out-of-state murderers. *smug face

[ January 6th ] Peaceful protests always consist of breaking windows to enter government buildings, smear shit on everything, setting up a gallows, and intentionally ripping out the panic buttons in the offices of female senators that they just happened to know exactly where to look to find! Why is anyone still talking about this? *smug face

[ ND pipeline ] Let's call the People of Standing Rock 'out-of-state protesters' until someone points out that they've been here longer than there's been a state. *smug face

[ elections ] We need to protect the valuable rights of all voters by closing polling places, hiding the remaining polling places, compromising voting machines and dumping broken ones in minority areas so they can't say they didn't have a chance, denying mail-in ballots, demanding that only votes counted within the first 10 seconds of closing will be allowed to count, and suing states that didn't vote the way we wanted them too. *smug face

[ the Supreme Court nominations ] It's important to wait for the people's decision in an election year when an opening occurs to allow the winner of the election to pick the next nominee. Unless there's only a couple of week's left and the sitting President is republican. Then the first idiot who can write an essay about McDonalds fries is the winner. *smug face

[ impeachment ] Who was the Ice Cream Cone on 'The Masked Singer' this weekend? *smug face

 

I believe I've more than filled the 'Conservative Bullshit Bingo Card' . :| 

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8 hours ago, ZoomBubba said:

There was a pretty mundane reason he did it. He was trying to clear urinary blockage and back in those days, sticking bones in your peehole to serve as catheters was one of the methods. People were making catheters since at least 3000 B.C. with them being made out of stuff like  straw, rolled up palm leaves, hollow tops of onions, as well as, gold, silver, copper, brass, and lead. None of them sound too pleasant as far as peehole insertion.

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On 5/6/2022 at 2:06 PM, Ginguy said:

So, this was filed....

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/05/SchmittLandryFiling.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto,-18,792

The AGs of Louisiana and Missouri are suing various Democrats in their official capacity for collusion with "big tech" companies to suppress information, including information relating to Hunter Biden's laptop contents and information regarding treatment and origins of CoVid-19.

Oh, speaking of Hunter's laptop and lawsuits, the owner of the repair shop has filed a defamation suit against various Democrats.

 

 

"You get what you fucking deserve"

                                                  -Joker

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Ginguy... you guys aren't the joker. you think you are but you just aren't that guy.

secondly... Social media platforms banning alt right garbage is really a pure expression of the free market.

Let me explain... as you know, there are already many platforms where you're free to express whatever hater views you want. Apparently, nobody really likes using them. You can't force private companies to host your content. If the government helps you to force private companies to host your content on their servers, then that's absolutely a violation of the private company's free speech.

Despite whatever muskyboy says, twitter is not the public square nor a public utility. The internet at large is a public utility and we let you host all the hater porn you want without censoring you. KKK has a website. Alex Jones. Whoever. I mean shit, we even have our own site since [as] kicked us out. 

And third, oh yes, there's a third.

I see Jen Psaki's name on that lawsuit... if you come for my Jenny, well, you get what you deserve.

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A state judge struck down new congressional districts in north Florida on Wednesday, saying that Governor Ron DeSantis, who drew the lines, had made it harder for Black voters to elect the candidate of their choice.

“I am finding the enacted map is unconstitutional because it diminishes African Americans’ ability to elect candidates of their choice,” circuit judge Layne Smith said on Wednesday, according to the Tributary. Lawyers for the state of Florida are expected to immediately appeal the ruling, and the Florida supreme court will probably ultimately decide the case.

The decision dealt specifically with DeSantis’s decision to dismantle Florida’s fifth congressional district. It stretched from Jacksonville to Tallahassee, was 46% Black, and is currently represented by Al Lawson, a Black Democrat. DeSantis’s new district chopped the district up into four districts where Republican candidates would be favored to win.

 

Judge strikes down Florida governor’s ‘unconstitutional’ election map | Florida | The Guardian

I'm pretty sure DeSantis is going to be the Republican candidate for President in 2024. He's pretty symbolic of what the GOP is all about now, which is power for power's sake without much regard for how it's gotten. The party doesn't have a platform and it's leaders are it's entertainment wing (Fox News, Steve Bannon, etc.) and the base that turns out for the primary (i.e. lunatics, idiots and assholes). DeSantis, like Trump, isn't a leader as much of a follower of what's hot for the real powers of the party. DeSantis is like Trump, except he's less likely to just ramble off on what pops into his head and is more deliberate when it comes to long-range planning and himself. 

I don't think Trump is going to run because he's selling his D.C. hotel, dropped that little tidbit about "health" concerns could prevent a run and he seems to be content holding his king's court in Florida. 

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14 minutes ago, Seight said:

https://www.ualrpublicradio.org/local-regional-news/2022-05-11/2-arkansas-counties-list-wrong-first-name-for-senate-hopeful

Me: *deep sigh*...

DON'T GIVE THESE IDIOTS SOMETHING THEY CAN USE OH MY FUCKING GOD

Being in Arkansas, I'm not totally surprised. I saw us transition from Democrats like this to a bunch of GOP bots that went from spouting Fox News talking points to full-on trying to out sycophant each other for Trump's attention. Now we're pretty much the lowest voting state with a bunch of people without any political or managerial skills who seem to have just run to have "office holder" on their resume holding most of the local offices. This year it seems the theme is to see who can out-crazy the competition, I'm kind of scared what next year is going to be because I'm not sure what can be lower aside from "look at me, I can drink anti-freeze and it won't do shit to me" vs. "fuck you, I can down Draino and not even get the shits!"

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/05/11/gulf-of-mexico-leasing-canceled/

 

The only possible explanation for this move is that Biden is actively trying to lose. Gas prices have already hit an all-time high and are continuing to rise across the country. Inflation is skyrocketing, and Americans are pissed. Increasing oil supplies would help to ease those pressures, but instead hes doing everything he can to increase the pressure on Americans.

 

Hes actively campaigning for the GOP at this point.  Its pure insanity for him to do this.

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5 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/05/11/gulf-of-mexico-leasing-canceled/

 

The only possible explanation for this move is that Biden is actively trying to lose. Gas prices have already hit an all-time high and are continuing to rise across the country. Inflation is skyrocketing, and Americans are pissed. Increasing oil supplies would help to ease those pressures, but instead hes doing everything he can to increase the pressure on Americans.

 

Hes actively campaigning for the GOP at this point.  Its pure insanity for him to do this.

The oil companies in ND are actively shitting the bed here because they want even more incentives to, you know, use the leases they have. They don't want to pay in any taxes for the oil they pull, want clean-up costs to be deferred or dropped entirely [ not like they've been very good about the clean-up anyway - too many abandoned farm areas that are currently strangely radioactive... :| ] , and they've just basically sat on their asses to call the shots because they can and the republicans running this state are fine with the temper tantrum because there's always going to be someone stupid enough to blame Biden instead of asking the oil companies when will enough be enough for them. 

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1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

Madison Cawthorn’s 1 and done is just glorious. That’s what he gets  for spilling the tea on the wild gop coke fueled orgies, and humping his cousin’s face. 💩 

First rule of coke orgies, you do not talk about the coke orgy.


Second rule of coke orgies, dont bogart the coke.

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27 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

First rule of coke orgies, you do not talk about the coke orgy.


Second rule of coke orgies, dont bogart the coke.

He didn’t know the rules. So sad. I think the person that won is probably just as bad as Cawthorn cuz Trump endorsed that candidate.   

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15 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

He didn’t know the rules. So sad. I think the person that won is probably just as bad as Cawthorn cuz Trump endorsed that candidate.   

Its crazy to because they have a whole training video before your allowed to enter the actual orgy.  They go over the rules pretty clearly.  He should have put his phone down and watched the training video.

 

Im going to laugh if the new guy gets into the same trouble.

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19 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Its crazy to because they have a whole training video before your allowed to enter the actual orgy.  They go over the rules pretty clearly.  He should have put his phone down and watched the training video.

 

Im going to laugh if the new guy gets into the same trouble.

He probably will because they’re all the fuckin same. 

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12 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Madison Cawthorn’s 1 and done is just glorious. That’s what he gets  for spilling the tea on the wild gop coke fueled orgies, and humping his cousin’s face. 💩 

Me: THEY WERE REAL!

The REALLY mean part of my brain: "Wait, so it took North Carolina two years to realize guy's in a wheelchair?"

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https://www.barrons.com/articles/gasoline-prices-how-high-51652816252?tesla=y

How High Will Gas Prices Go? $6 a Gallon, According to One Prediction.

 

If gas really does hit $6 a gallon nation wide this summer then Biden and Democrats are beyond screwed.  Its already looking like a Red Wave year, but throwing this on top of all the other existing conditions would turn November into that scene from the Shining when the elevator doors open.

As it is any seat that is a D+5 or less is very much a target for the GOP. If things get much worse that will likely turn into any seat that is a D+10 or less. The House is already gone and is going to be in GOP hands, the only question is by how large a margin.  The Senate is much more up in the air, but even that isnt looking so good for Democrats.

As it is we are setting new record prices each day.

 

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