New Rules Discussion

[abomination]

it's not a stupid point. the SAME person is tied the account.

it's not like i was never midnight

midnight's profile has been banned for life

but the person behind midnight is talking to you right now.

resurrected. same. person.

what, because ''abomination's'' profile has never seen df, does that mean "I" have never seen df? of course not.

come on, pat.

do i need to get my crayons out for this one?

but it's all good. y'all took away the post limit. 

because that made more sense. haha

[Raptorpat]

I'm not manually adjusting your post count every time you forget to put your pants on outside of the folder and make an alt.

[helpme]

11 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

Also worth mentioning - a follow-up to this is an internal conversation on how to standardize moderating actions based on the categories etc. Might possibly standardize warning points and set up point-based trigger bans.

It's a conversation yet to happen, so I don't have an answer yet, but things to think about.

 

11 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

Yeah, if we did that we'd have to figure out if existing points would count towards it, or just void all existing warning points.

So when this does happen does that mean points will expire and not sit there for 4 years?

[stilgar]

I know, everyone gets one account. That's it. No new accounts.

[rpgamer]

As someone completely out of the loop here, this is all I've managed to figure out about new rules.

[InsaneFox]

1 minute ago, rpgamer said:

As someone completely out of the loop here, this is all I've managed to figure out about new rules.

How dare Furher Pat make such demands‽ 

[André Toulon]

3 hours ago, Quackers said:

Maybe we should make everything based on person instead of account? DF access, bans, warning points, etc. 

Maybe its Maybelline

[André Toulon]

On 5/29/2021 at 5:31 PM, Sawdamizer said:

I thought we were cooler than this

Its sad to find out we never were

[MasqueradeOverture]

NO POSTING ANYTHING OWNED BY TOEI.

THIS INCLUDES PROMO ART, PHOTOS OF FIGURES, OR MORE THAN .5 SECONDS OF HEAD-CHA-LA.

[PokeNirvash]

Not even the properties they don't care about anymore?

[SwimModSponges]

20 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

UEMB Rules:
Failing to follow the community guidelines as described below carries consequences. Infractions may result in a temporary or permanent ban from the Forum. Upon repeat offenses, or if we believe you are not acting in good faith, you may be permanently removed from the community. Any former user attempting to evade permanent removal will be treated as “ban-on-sight”. 

Should this be capitalized?

[MasqueradeOverture]

1 hour ago, PokeNirvash said:

Not even the properties they don't care about anymore?

 

[Poof]

[Raptorpat]

On 5/31/2021 at 10:08 PM, SwimModSponges said:

Should this be capitalized?

I can go through and conform everything

I tried to scalpel as much original JMC/Luuv language I could, and I think that was one of his sentences.

[SwimModSponges]

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

With DF not having a post count requirement anymore, is it still impervious to Google searches?

[NaBarney]

35 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

With DF not having a post count requirement anymore, is it still impervious to Google searches?

Yeah, you still need an account in order to see it. 

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

9 minutes ago, NaBarney said:

Yeah, you still need an account in order to see it. 

I can easily test this out by logging out and seeing for myself, but I worry that my browser doesn't know my password and neither do I, so I'm taking you at your word, and hoping you're not talking out of your ass as your fake mod persona.

[Ric]

35 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

I can easily test this out by logging out and seeing for myself, but I worry that my browser doesn't know my password and neither do I, so I'm taking you at your word, and hoping you're not talking out of your ass as your fake mod persona.

[MasqueradeOverture]

*raises hand* I have a question.

Official board stance on goatse?

[Raptorpat]

On 5/31/2021 at 1:15 AM, Raptorpat said:

NSFW content. Spoiler-tag NSFW content and provide a warning. Do not post explicit nudity or pornography. We reserve the right to spoiler tag content that we deem to be NSFW.

 

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

3 minutes ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

*raises hand* I have a question.

Official board stance on goatse?

"goatse" for yourself and post it.

Spoiler

I don't know how you're supposed to pronounce goatse, but I say it goat-see.

 

[EmpressAngel]

Do lady nipples count as explicit content or not I need to know how much waifu titty I'm allowed to post.

[bipolar bear cub]

9 hours ago, EmpressAngel said:

Do lady nipples count as explicit content or not I need to know how much waifu titty I'm allowed to post.

In defense of nipples:

One would hope that nipples don't count as they generally are not explicit, versus penises/vaginas/assholes being in the explicit zone. 
Of course unless the nipples are apart of an explicitly pornographic scene then I suppose it could be against the rule.
Although I feel like nipples can be shown in non-explicit ways.
 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Pandas_Love

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

20 minutes ago, Pandas_Love said:

In defense of nipples:

One would hope that nipples don't count as they generally are not explicit, versus penises/vaginas/assholes being in the explicit zone. 
Of course unless the nipples are apart of an explicitly pornographic scene then I suppose it could be against the rule.
Although I feel like nipples can be shown in a non-explicit ways.
 

This^

[MasqueradeOverture]

Rule:

Baby's mouth on a tiddy = OK!

My mouth on a tiddy = Assault charge!

[Raptorpat]

9 hours ago, EmpressAngel said:

Do lady nipples count as explicit content

No, panic and I had a discussion about the nuances of nudity last weekend or last week and it became obvious it wasn't really worth it to draw lines on that. Just don't totally overdo it.

[abomination]

Glad panic was there to settle the debate on titties. 

That's a weight lifted. 

🙄

[1pooh4u]

Post count requirements should be reinstated in dumpster fires.  It has nothing to do with “an exclusive club” and everything to do with DF doesn’t represent UEMB as a whole it’s just one ridiculous corner of it.  So again, reinstate a post count for access, or if possible, make hours online also unlock it. Some people lurk more than post and are more than familiar with everything.  So it can be something like 1000 posts or 500 hours online. 
 

locked threads- why not just remove them altogether instead of putting them locked in DF. One of the original things was threads wouldn’t be locked just moved to DF, but that doesn’t work cuz we got some really out there people on here, it’s best just to remove their shit altogether instead of being able to dog pile on an unstable person. 
 

 

[NaBarney]

31 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Post count requirements should be reinstated in dumpster fires.

 

31 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Post count requirements should be reinstated in dumpster fires.

 

31 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Post count requirements should be reinstated in dumpster fires.

Please. PLS

[1pooh4u]

17 minutes ago, NaBarney said:

 

 

Please. PLS

I don’t think it’s gonna happen. It’s like one of the only things I stressed should stay and they’re like, nope cuz you guys behave badly and think you’re elite 🙄

I already threw all the temper tantrum I’m gonna throw. It’s gonna be what it’s gonna be. User input from the people that actually frequent the folder be damned 💩

[NaBarney]

4 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

I don’t think it’s gonna happen. It’s like one of the only things I stressed should stay and they’re like, nope cuz you guys behave badly and think you’re elite 🙄

I already threw all the temper tantrum I’m gonna throw. It’s gonna be what it’s gonna be. User input from the people that actually frequent the folder be damned 💩

Maybe I can use my sway among the staff by promising to knock off the fake moderator stuff if they agree to change the barrier of entry back to at least triple digits. 

That's right, I would be willing to sacrifice my position as top moderator and step down from that vaunted role just to get DF back to being private again. 

Ball is in the admin's court. If they choose to take it and go home all I can say is I better not ever hear any more complaining from the lesser mods about my moderating style. 

[1pooh4u]

1 minute ago, NaBarney said:

Maybe I can use my sway among the staff by promising to knock off the fake moderator stuff if they agree to change the barrier of entry back to at least triple digits. 

That's right, I would be willing to sacrifice my position as top moderator and step down from that vaunted role just to get DF back to being private again. 

Ball is in the admin's court. If they choose to take it and go home all I can say is I better not ever hear any more complaining from the lesser mods about my moderating style. 

They should give your mod powers to me instead. I’ll take good care of them. 💩

[Raptorpat]

On 5/31/2021 at 3:16 AM, scoobdog said:

If there were a push to utilize the clubs system, do you forsee them being used to contain / restrict to certain subjects of interactions?

I don't foresee that, but if that's where it organically grows then I wouldn't stop it either.

On 5/31/2021 at 3:04 AM, scoobdog said:

Also, how will clubs be moderated?

Here is what I've put down for clubs since I shared the last draft (as a practical matter, mods/admins can access even private/closed clubs regardless of whether they're a member but haven't tested how abuse reports work there though):

- In member-created Clubs, members can customize their own rulesets. However, custom club rules cannot be more lax than the Dumpster Fires ruleset. In order for a club to have custom rules, those rules must be posted in the club. If no rules are posted or if the custom rules are unclear, the default UEMB rules apply.

[mumbo]

On 5/29/2021 at 5:47 PM, Raptorpat said:

Fundamentally, it's broken into three categories:

• User Safety
• Content
• Civility

User safety is things like no doxing for example. Content is things like the aforementioned porn rule, content ownership, disturbing content, malicious spamming. Civility is things like bigotry, or being malicious/toxic.

I haven't finished filling out bright-line things within those categories, but I also want the flexibility to not have to fight people trying to find gray area that violates the intent but not the words.

Does this include the community attacking me in droves about everything from my name as their new punchline to my mental status to my identity to harassing me in jpeg form to calling me every name ever called by anyone turning me into an alienated freak belittling my good nature horrifying me to the point of locking all the windows and doors and cursing and fighting with everything I ever posted since my first post I ever posted, among many other, MANY, MANY, other wretched, unlivable conditions?  It should be a rule that you're all b&.  No fair.

[helpme]

39 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

I don't foresee that, but if that's where it organically grows then I wouldn't stop it either.

Here is what I've put down for clubs since I shared the last draft (as a practical matter, mods/admins can access even private/closed clubs regardless of whether they're a member but haven't tested how abuse reports work there though):

- In member-created Clubs, members can customize their own rulesets. However, custom club rules cannot be more lax than the Dumpster Fires ruleset. In order for a club to have custom rules, those rules must be posted in the club. If no rules are posted or if the custom rules are unclear, the default UEMB rules apply.

So that means a xxx club can be created with no repercussions 

[Raptorpat]

No, that is not what that means at all.

[MasqueradeOverture]

Can there be a LiveLeak murderporn club?

I'd like a place here to intellectually discuss the artistic merits of 1 Lunatic 1 Icepick.

[helpme]

1 hour ago, Raptorpat said:

No, that is not what that means at all.

Then be more clear 

[Raptorpat]

tell me where it says what you think it says misaka

[helpme]

2 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

tell me where it says what you think it says misaka

I enjoy making more work for you 🤣

[scoobdog]

2 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

tell me where it says what you think it says misaka

You'll think you would know better by now.

[helpme]

15 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

You'll think you would know better by now.

See? Scoob understands me

[Ginguy]

3 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

tell me where it says what you think it says misaka

[scoobdog]

5 hours ago, helpme said:

See? Scoob understands me

Even Ginguy gets it.

[Raptorpat]

Anyways, here is the near-final draft for everyone's look-see. Constructive criticism or questions are still welcome and may influence the final cut, but the final rules will be posted in one week.

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Failing to follow the community guidelines as described below carries consequences. Infractions may result in a temporary or permanent ban from the community. Upon repeat offenses, or if we believe you are not acting in good faith, you may be permanently removed from the community. Any former user attempting to evade permanent removal will be treated as “ban-on-sight”. 

User Safety

• This is an 18+ community. Those under 18 should not be posting here. Any underage member account will be banned immediately upon discovery.
• Do not dox. This includes sharing personal, identifying information of yourself or of another member. Do not maliciously propagate another user’s personal, identifying information regardless of whether it was intentionally or unintentionally shared beforehand by that person or a third party. 
• Do not threaten or stalk. Do not threaten other members, in any capacity. Do not follow around other members who do not want to be followed. This includes through other sites, such as social media.
• Extreme emotional issues. Though we have boards and threads conducive to venting, do not talk about heavy psychological issues, including suicide/self-harm, as an alternative to seeking help from a professional. To that end, do not antagonize members in emotional crisis and do not promote self-harm.
• No unsolicited advertising, in forums or in PMs. We have spaces for sharing user creations and a shameless plug on its own isn’t a problem, however ad spam is not allowed on the forum. It not only creates phishing risk, but it's really annoying. Unsolicited advertising in PMs will result in a ban. 
• We reserve the right to address anything else deemed at that time to be a threat to user safety and to expound upon this list in the future. Particularly egregious cases may be addressed beyond the site as needed.

Civility

• Don't be toxic. This includes malicious engagement in harassment, flaming, trolling, or other forms of antagonism, whether targeted or general in nature, and regardless of whether conducted on a main or an alt. If a member (or staff) asks you to stop bothering them, please do so.
• Discrimination and bigotry will not be tolerated. This includes racism, misogyny, religious discrimination, transphobia/homophobia, ableism, and other forms of discrimination, including hate speech or the use of slurs in any context (“ironic” or “joking” instances are not acceptable). Homonyms of slurs may be addressed depending on the context of their usage. 
• Please be respectful and understanding of the staff team. Respect the official decisions made by all volunteers, they are (mostly) human too. When you are asked to stop, you are expected to listen and not argue about it publicly (use PMs or the Hey Mod! thread instead). Avoid backseat moderating/mini-modding, do not engage in other people's "Hey Mod!" posts, and avoid tagging staff unless something needs immediate attention.
• We recognize this list may not encapsulate every aspect of interpersonal civility. We reserve the right to act as needed or expand this list further.

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• No excessive spamming. Flooding a board or thread maliciously with emotes, text-walls, images, repeated messages, etc. is not allowed.
• Don't post harmful, violent, or disturbing content. Harmful content includes rapidly flashing images, images that crash a browser, suspicious links/attachments, etc. Violent or disturbing content includes gore, excess blood, scat, scenery connected to deaths, animal cruelty, footage of terrorist attacks or tragic accidents, etc.
• NSFW content. Spoiler-tag NSFW content and provide a warning. Explicit nudity and pornography are not allowed. We reserve the right to spoiler tag user content that we deem to be NSFW.
• Illegal Content. Do not post illegal content.
• Extreme, controversial, and sensitive content. We reserve the right to remove or delete any content from the board at any time, as well as ban users who push the boundaries on extreme, controversial, or sensitive content. This includes rape jokes, hate speech, nazi propaganda, illegal activities, etc.
• Content ownership issues. If you notice content that is posted on the boards without permission, please submit a report and we will remove it.
• We recognize this list may not encapsulate every aspect of content creation. We reserve the right to act as needed or expand this list further.

Custom Local Rules:
Different sections of the community may be treated slightly differently regarding civility and post content, as detailed below. Note that all User Safety rules remain in effect throughout the community at all times.

- In the Rants & Editorials board, heated debate is allowed which may exceed the general rules on civility and content. Be advised that if you engage in debate, and/or post your opinions, those opinions will have feedback and people will post their own judgments/opinions in kind regarding you and your posted opinions. Those may include observations of a caustic nature, as there is more leeway in that area for expression of personal opinions. A unique ruleset on content and civility is in place for Rants, available here. [Editing Note: Rants rules format will be cleaned up to conform, and/or may be summarized here like below]

- In the Dumpster Fires board, content and civility rules are dialed to a minimum threshold, as long as the context of the activity is completely confined to the Dumpster Fires board. Activity that leaks into other folders that would otherwise violate the general rules will be acted on. In contrast to Rants & Editorials, threads in this board don't necessarily have to be as coherent topically, and can exist solely for the purposes of crassness. In addition to all User Safety rules, the following content and civility rules remain in effect in Dumpster Fires:

• Discrimination and bigotry will not be tolerated. This includes racism, misogyny, religious discrimination, transphobia/homophobia, ableism, and other forms of discrimination, including hate speech or the use of slurs in any context (“ironic” or “joking” instances are not acceptable). Homonyms of slurs may be addressed depending on the context of their usage. 
• Don't post harmful, violent, or disturbing content. Harmful content includes rapidly flashing images, images that crash a browser, suspicious links/attachments, etc. Violent or disturbing content includes gore, excess blood, scat, scenery connected to deaths, animal cruelty, footage of terrorist attacks or tragic accidents, etc.
• NSFW content. Spoiler-tag NSFW content and provide a warning. Explicit nudity and pornography are not allowed. We reserve the right to spoiler tag user content that we deem to be NSFW.
• Illegal Content. Do not post illegal content.
• Content ownership issues. If you notice content that is posted on the boards without permission, please submit a report and we will remove it.
• We reserve the right to add to this list as needed, as well as act on particularly malicious, boundary-crossing activity which violates the trust in which the freedoms of the folder are based.

- In member-created Clubs, members can customize their own rulesets. In order for a club to use custom rules, those rules must be posted in the club (if no rules are posted or if the custom rules are unclear, the default UEMB rules apply). Club rules can be stricter than the general UEMB rules, however the Dumpster Fires ruleset is the minimum floor for any custom rules.

- The UnevenEdge Discord has a similar set of guidelines and rules, available to read on the discord server. As a more intimate community venue, moderation is more strict than on the forum. At this time, moderation decisions on the discord server are not reviewable on the forum, nor are moderation decisions on the forum reviewable on the discord server. However, a "ban-on-sight" status on the forum will automatically lead to a similar status on the discord server, regardless of whether that user has used the discord server.

Constructive criticism or questions are still welcome and may influence the final cut, but the final rules will be posted in approximately one week.

[NaBabby]

17 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

Constructive criticism or questions are still welcome and may influence the final cut, but the final rules will be posted in approximately one week.

I'm not seeing any of that garbage that got shoehorned into DF awhile back about the friends, family and ogres of users being off limits re: insult/troll fodder.

I hope this is intentional and will also be left out of the final draft.

[Raptorpat]

Ultimately all the one off (the "we made it up as we went") rules that addressed specific scenarios got rolled into these more basic, general rules. Because for me, the bottom line is that it was the intent that mattered and trying to one-off address specific scenarios was an endless cycle. If the rules just list antagonistic scenarios you can't do, trolls will just find other antagonistic scenarios that aren't written down to continue antagonizing. Because the game of trolls is to find ways to antagonize without breaking the rules. So just moderate "antagonism".

So in that specific case, it's rolled into the first bullet under Civility (the "don't be toxic" rule) - which does not currently carry over to DF. I hope that's a thing that doesn't need to be changed, but under these rules we can still moderate particularly egregious things there if they cross enough boundaries.

[NaBabby]

6 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

So in that specific case, it's rolled into the first bullet under Civility (the "don't be toxic" rule) - which does not currently carry over to DF.

Beautiful, making dumpster fires great again, we all love to see it.

[helpme]

1 hour ago, Raptorpat said:

Anyways, here is the near-final draft for everyone's look-see. Constructive criticism or questions are still welcome and may influence the final cut, but the final rules will be posted in one week.

Constructive criticism or questions are still welcome and may influence the final cut, but the final rules will be posted in approximately one week.

Need to put a rule on impersonating a staff is a bannable offense but everyone know red name or moderator is a staff