Raptorpat Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 So a few days ago, Ukraine launched a big missile strike that took out the Black Sea Fleet's HQ in Sevastopol. Ukraine announced that they took out 34 Russian officers in the strike, including Admiral Viktor Sokolov, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-black-sea-fleet-commander-killed-no-comment-by-moscow-2023-09-25/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Shocking if true, but this is still a "he said, she said" thing at the moment. I'll wait to see what U.S. officials say about who was killed during this Ukrainian attack. But still, "we can hold this meeting over Zoom" would have prevented this. Edited September 25, 2023 by Icarus27k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Russian sailors betrayed their commanders for money, if Ukraine is to be believed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Icarus27k said: Not so sure smiling Soviets/Russians is any better either... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/flames-russian-defenceman-speaks-out-against-putin-1.6976218 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/21978 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 18 hours ago, Icarus27k said: Shocking if true, but this is still a "he said, she said" thing at the moment. I'll wait to see what U.S. officials say about who was killed during this Ukrainian attack. But still, "we can hold this meeting over Zoom" would have prevented this. But wait - there's more! Quote MOSCOW, Sept 26 (Reuters) - Admiral Viktor Sokolov, the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, was shown on Russian state television on Tuesday attending a defence leaders' meeting remotely, a day after Ukrainian special forces said they had killed him. In video and photographs released by the defence ministry, Sokolov was shown as one of several fleet commanders on video apparently joining an in-person meeting of Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and other army chiefs, although not speaking. It was not clear when the video was filmed. Ukraine's special forces said on Monday that Sokolov had been killed along with 33 other officers in a missile attack last week on the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea Fleet in the port of Sevastopol in Crimea, seized from Ukraine in 2014. In response to the Russian video, the Ukraine special forces said on Telegram: "Since the Russians were urgently forced to publish a response with Sokolov allegedly alive, our units are clarifying the information." https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-black-sea-commander-shown-working-after-ukraine-said-it-killed-him-2023-09-26/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 2 questionable sources (Business Insider, The Sun) are reporting that the attack that did not kill Admiral Viktor Sokolov, was brought about by unpaid Russian Officers who sold intel to the Ukrainians because they have not been paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 This war has taught me to refine which sources to believe. So far, I believe what U.S. military and intelligence officials say. Their record on calling this war has been spot on. However, they are often overshadowed by the policymakers they serve. These are the politicians in the White House and the Cabinet officials, who I trust less. They often go against what the military and intelligence officials say, and get things wrong. I do NOT trust former U.S. government officials who have made a life of being experts. They have a pretty poor track record in this war. Almost like as soon as they leave government service, they lose the judgment they previously had. Most of all, think tank experts and researchers have been ridiculously wrong. I've seen them get proven spectacularly wrong in their predictions. Almost like they know just a little bit more about what's going on than you or I. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 12 hours ago, tsar4 said: 2 questionable sources (Business Insider, The Sun) are reporting that the attack that did not kill Admiral Viktor Sokolov, was brought about by unpaid Russian Officers who sold intel to the Ukrainians because they have not been paid. Ive seen the same thing floating around. The thing with this kind of report is that in wartime it doesnt have to be true to be effective. If the rumors start to float around within the Russian army that Ukraine will pay for intel then others might take the opportunity to make a quick buck. Morale in the Russian army is reportedly low right now as well. Seems like a smart play to either release this info after the fact, or to release fake stories and see what might shake loose within the Russian army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 Far Right: Giving aid to Ukraine is ruining our economy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Unfortunately, the Ukraine War is at a stalemate. These are the changes on the battlefield since the beginning of 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 A stalemate still seems kinda embarrassing for Russia, tho.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, rpgamer said: A stalemate still seems kinda embarrassing for Russia, tho.. 'We are the greatest army ever!' *gets ass held in check by farmers... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 30, 2023 Author Share Posted September 30, 2023 Apparently, there is a means of kicking Russia out of the UN - and Russia couldn't stop it... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 30, 2023 Author Share Posted September 30, 2023 According to Sky News/The Independent/The Guardian/The Telegraph.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 This sounds similar to previous instances. Take this article from April 2022 as an example Russia investigates report of British SAS forces in Ukraine Russian media report alleges that the SAS has deployed to the Lviv region in western Ukraine. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/23/russia-investigates-report-of-british-sas-forces-in-ukraine Or this article from a year later in April 2023. Leaked Pentagon documents claim elite British special forces are in Ukraine A total of 50 members of British special forces were deployed to war-hit nation as of 23 March, according to new leaked document https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/uk-special-forces-ukraine-pentagon-leak-b2318290.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share Posted October 5, 2023 Oy Vey, this guy... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) I find the subject of Russian wonder weapons, a traditional thing Russia does, to be obnoxious. It's done for jingoism not actual utility in war. Edited October 5, 2023 by Icarus27k 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 He's sounding like Kim Jong Un. Kind of a step down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 39 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: I find the subject of Russian wonder weapons, a traditional thing Russia does, to be obnoxious. It's done for jingoism not actual utility in war. I know - I've lived through quite a few decades of Russian bluster, including, "We will bury you!" (and I know that wasn't about annihilation). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-planning-mine-black-sea-target-ukraine-grain-ships-rcna118946 "Russia is taking a beating in the Black Sea. Is it plotting a new escalation? Britain said it has intelligence that suggests the Kremlin is seeking to target civilian cargo ships and pin the attacks on Ukraine. KYIV, Ukraine — Britain says it has intelligence that Russia is trying to target civilian cargo ships carrying grain in the Black Sea by laying sea mines and planning to blame any attacks on Ukraine. The U.K. did not provide any evidence for the allegation, which comes as Ukraine appears to be gaining momentum in the fight over the crucial sea, which is both Kyiv’s main export corridor and a launchpad for Russian attacks." Because this is a great idea that will not have any bad outcomes. Mining the sea in no way risks major escalation. No chance this backfires and things have to get "Proportional". Reference for those who don't get it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Russia knows the war is ultimately a stalemate (No one will invade Russia because no one wants to invade Russia! No one has a problem with Russia existing till it tries to invade other nations!) so Putin will keep throwing meat at the grinder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 11, 2023 Author Share Posted October 11, 2023 Russia ousted from UN council on Human Rights. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Ukraine has reportedly crossed the Dnipro just west of Kherson City https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1714689007118921828 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 If the UA can get a foothold and start to advance there that would be absolutely massive. Getting across the river opens up a whole new opportunity for the UA to retake their land. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/general-news/wargaming-united/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 8 hours ago, tsar4 said: https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/general-news/wargaming-united/ I had a backfire joke all set up but now I don't remember if it's World of Tanks or War Thunder that keeps having classified documents leaked in its official forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 23 hours ago, Raptorpat said: Ukraine has reportedly crossed the Dnipro just west of Kherson City https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1714689007118921828 Yahoo has a story confirming that not only are they across the river, but they have established a position to now launch further attacks from. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-forces-cross-dnipro-river-182000162.html?guccounter=1 This is a pretty big deal. The article also points out that the UA now has ATACMS and have used them to help this push. They can penetrate much further than HIMARS can, but are launched from the same platform. So the UA has a hell of a new weapon that they can use to reach even further into occupied territory, and Russia itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1. Allies of Ukraine have put stipulations on their military aid saying Ukraine can't use it to hit Russia (internationally recognized Russian territory). 2. These are a specific kind of ATACMS. Ones that have a shorter range than other versions. This range is less than what many pro-Ukraine people had been hoping for. It's also the cluster munition version of ATACMS. (Other versions are single warhead.) It's a cluster bomb that has a range significantly greater than ordinary cluster artillery. It's not suitable for specific targets. It just hits many things over an area. Ukraine could not use it, for example, to target a specific building. 3. Ukraine has already been using long-range precision missiles with single warheads (the Storm Shadow and Scalp). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 26, 2023 Author Share Posted October 26, 2023 Money, money, money, mon-ey - Mon-eee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 I'm sure this deception will work 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 21 hours ago, tsar4 said: I'm sure this deception will work Has anyone checked to see if any of their ammo has 'ACME' painted on the side? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: Has anyone checked to see if any of their ammo has 'ACME' painted on the side? Probably, but it was in North Korean. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 29, 2023 Author Share Posted October 29, 2023 Back Ukraine or wind up fighting Russia directly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 That time in 1989 when Boris Yeltsin appeared in a Texas grocery store. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 "Hell yeah, Trix pops!" 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Icarus27k said: That time in 1989 when Boris Yeltsin appeared in a Texas grocery store. I remember Khrushchev being convinced that the US had staged everywhere he went to look like there was plenty during his visit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Top Gun said: "Hell yeah, Trix pops!" "We used to be a proper country." -Me, 2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Well that is a perfectly reasonable reaction to getting Trix pops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Breaking news. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Ah, a 100% woke free zone....from more people who have very ill defined ideas about woke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Icarus27k said: Breaking news. Is that an actual tabloid, or a parody of tabloids? Like The Onion only its in print tabloids. Edited November 2, 2023 by Doom Metal Alchemist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Is that an actual tabloid, or a parody of tabloids? Is there a difference? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Just now, scoobdog said: Is there a difference? Are readers supposed to be engrossed in how shocking the stories are, or laughing their asses off at how stupid they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Are readers supposed to be engrossed in how shocking the stories are, or laughing their asses off at how stupid they are? Both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgxkx9g2kn4o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 5:36 PM, Icarus27k said: Breaking news. "Sunday Sport" "On Sale Sunday, Monday & Tuesday" 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Is that an actual tabloid, or a parody of tabloids? Like The Onion only its in print tabloids. Awwww..... The Onion used to be in print 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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