ghostrek Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, MasqueradeOverture said: I tune away from the news for 2 days and am now completely lost. Explain this Wagner thing to me in anime language ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Icarus27k said: Thank goodness Hunter is off the hook now. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events lot stuff went down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 US officials saw signs Prigozhin was planning challenge to Russian military but surprised by rapid escalation Washington CNN — US intelligence officials believe that Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the private Wagner military group, had been planning a major challenge to Russia’s military leadership for quite some time, but it was unclear what the ultimate aim would be, three people familiar with the matter told CNN. Intelligence officials briefed congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight earlier this week concerning Wagner group movements and equipment buildups near Russia, two of the people said. US and Western intelligence officials saw signs that Prigozhin was making preparations for such a move, including by massing weapons and ammunition, one Western intelligence official and another person familiar with the intelligence said. A source familiar with the intelligence said “it all happened very quickly,” and it was difficult to discern how serious Prigozhin was about threatening the Russian military and where he would take his troops. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/24/politics/us-western-officials-russia-prigozhin-putin/index.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: US officials saw signs Prigozhin was planning challenge to Russian military but surprised by rapid escalation Washington CNN — US intelligence officials believe that Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the private Wagner military group, had been planning a major challenge to Russia’s military leadership for quite some time, but it was unclear what the ultimate aim would be, three people familiar with the matter told CNN. Intelligence officials briefed congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight earlier this week concerning Wagner group movements and equipment buildups near Russia, two of the people said. US and Western intelligence officials saw signs that Prigozhin was making preparations for such a move, including by massing weapons and ammunition, one Western intelligence official and another person familiar with the intelligence said. A source familiar with the intelligence said “it all happened very quickly,” and it was difficult to discern how serious Prigozhin was about threatening the Russian military and where he would take his troops. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/24/politics/us-western-officials-russia-prigozhin-putin/index.html I wonder if this is going to impact any capability differences in the war effort in Ukraine or the escalation of the conflict into a fight between Russia and NATO because basically because this is going to be seen as an escalation by putting if he's successfully stayed in power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: US officials saw signs Prigozhin was planning challenge to Russian military but surprised by rapid escalation Washington CNN — US intelligence officials believe that Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the private Wagner military group, had been planning a major challenge to Russia’s military leadership for quite some time, but it was unclear what the ultimate aim would be, three people familiar with the matter told CNN. Intelligence officials briefed congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight earlier this week concerning Wagner group movements and equipment buildups near Russia, two of the people said. US and Western intelligence officials saw signs that Prigozhin was making preparations for such a move, including by massing weapons and ammunition, one Western intelligence official and another person familiar with the intelligence said. A source familiar with the intelligence said “it all happened very quickly,” and it was difficult to discern how serious Prigozhin was about threatening the Russian military and where he would take his troops. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/24/politics/us-western-officials-russia-prigozhin-putin/index.html Did we ultimately know more about this than Russia? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, SwimOdin said: Did we ultimately know more about this than Russia? There are undiscovered creatures in the deepest recesses of the Mariana Trench that knew more than Russia about this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tsar4 Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Not sure if Prigozhin's troops are exiled with him, but it would certainly be a unique way to cover troop movements prior to an invasion into Ukraine from Belarus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, tsar4 said: what shit just happen is diffinetly for the history bookd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Prigozhin: 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, ghostrek said: this is extremely dangerous for the Free World the Russian Federation is one of the most nuclear-armed Nations on the planet them having a rebellion Civil War or having coup happen is dangerous what happened to some dangerous individual takes control and decided to use saidthem nuclear weapons So, like, Russia is going to, like, nuke Russia and start a global war between Russia and..... Russia...? Edited June 25, 2023 by naraku360 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Raptorpat said: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672692778604670986 Luckily, Putin is a super chill guy who never holds a grudge. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Just now, naraku360 said: So, like, Russia is going to, like, nuke Russia and start a global war between Russia and..... Russia...? Do you know what I mean everyone's presuming this is a CIA plot and pointing the finger at Langley Virginia which is the headquarters of the CIA and doing regime change is par for the course for any intelligence organization so you tell me? @naraku360 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Icarus27k said: Luckily, Putin is a super chill guy who never holds a grudge. All these fuckers / their kids are getting assassinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 25, 2023 Author Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, MasqueradeOverture said: All these fuckers / their kids are getting assassinated. Only if it truly wasn't a setup by Putin himself. Prigozhin never mentioned Putin, only a few at the MoD. This puts heat on the MoD and slips Prigozhin into Belarus potentially to lead a northern front in Ukraine. This "revolt" seems too tidy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 3 hours ago, ghostrek said: Do you know what I mean No, I do not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, naraku360 said: No, I do not. ok ?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 26, 2023 Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 Apparently, the show didn't rise to the level of "Man of the People". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: Hope he has a great trip. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Icarus27k said: Spoiler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) "Sometimes I fear we are cute." "Oh chill out Bill, he might have food!" Edited June 27, 2023 by tsar4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 This map includes changes right up to today, including the first month or so of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Bad news: the Ukrainian counteroffensive has been disappointing, and I don't think it's going to change much. Their goal of "evicting Russia from all of their territory" isn't going to happen soon. Good news: Russia is in chaos, and not just from the Wagner mutiny of the last week. It's clear to everyone except for the most dedicated Russophiles that Russia is the loser since Feb. 2022. Russia will not be able to mount any kind of significant military action, in Ukraine or anywhere else any time soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 55 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: Bad news: the Ukrainian counteroffensive has been disappointing, and I don't think it's going to change much. Based on the reporting etc., they're still mostly in the "shaping" phase (probing, destroying depots and bridges, etc.) and haven't committed their main reserves to a real push yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 11 hours ago, Icarus27k said: 'No one is able to account for exactly how the ATV got into Mr. Travnikov's fifth floor apartment or how it was able to land on him when he was hiding in a closet. All they will say is it was totally an accident.' 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 11 hours ago, Icarus27k said: Was it bad that I right clicked that link & chose "Open in new window"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Raptorpat said: Based on the reporting etc., they're still mostly in the "shaping" phase (probing, destroying depots and bridges, etc.) and haven't committed their main reserves to a real push yet. or maybe they have suffered heavy losses in both personnel and equipment and they werent even able to penetrate defensive lines. tho its still possible and likely ukraine does go through with their offensive eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Hey distorted, how did you feel finding out the Russian army is the second strongest army in Russia? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 30, 2023 Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 Aging like fine wine? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 6:02 PM, Raptorpat said: Based on the reporting etc., they're still mostly in the "shaping" phase (probing, destroying depots and bridges, etc.) and haven't committed their main reserves to a real push yet. My honest opinion about the Ukrainian counteroffensive: Ukrainians don't have air support, are incapable of combined arms manuevers and are attacking well fortified defenses while not even close to the traditional 3-to-1 manpower advantage attackers need. It's time to see the writing on the wall, war hawks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Icarus27k said: My honest opinion about the Ukrainian counteroffensive: Ukrainians don't have air support, are incapable of combined arms manuevers and are attacking well fortified defenses while not even close to the traditional 3-to-1 manpower advantage attackers need. It's time to see the writing on the wall, war hawks. finally someone starting to make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 23 hours ago, stilgar said: Hey distorted, how did you feel finding out the Russian army is the second strongest army in Russia? all im hearing is cope from you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 56 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: all im hearing is cope from you. Aw, I see you didn't take it very well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: all im hearing is cope from you. Could you explain your emotional investment in this? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, SwimOdin said: Could you explain your emotional investment in this? Probably goes something like 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 14 hours ago, stilgar said: Aw, I see you didn't take it very well. gotta throw my trolls a bone every once in a while. you people got feelings too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 hours ago, SwimOdin said: Could you explain your emotional investment in this? just throwing my trolls a bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: gotta throw my trolls a bone every once in a while. you people got feelings too. You being upset Russian is starting to fall apart is what you think throwing someone a bone is? Weird. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 Suddenly, the hermit steps into the limelight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 15 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: just throwing my trolls a bone. ....I can't speak for anyone else, but in my eyes, you're the troll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 6 hours ago, André Toulon said: ....I can't speak for anyone else, but in my eyes, you're the troll. how am i even trolling? i been very willing to discuss with anyone matters of this topic with clear and honest intentions. unlike some other people who are here just to troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: i been very willing to discuss with anyone matters of this topic with clear and honest intentions. Just like jingo used to want to have discussions with people but of course he found that not a single person had any "honest" intentions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, stilgar said: Just like jingo used to want to have discussions with people but of course he found that not a single person had any "honest" intentions. so anyone with an opposing viewpoint than the official narrative is jingo and therefore ok to troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 Fuck, you cant even read. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: how am i even trolling? i been very willing to discuss with anyone matters of this topic with clear and honest intentions. unlike some other people who are here just to troll. Because dude, at this point it seems you've abandoned the entire imperialist west shit for a pretty staunch fuck Ukraine stance....which I honestly didn't think was your goal. But here you are, cheering at even the slightest Russian positive vs Ukraine... Like this isn't about America....you just really are a Putin fanboy. You can't be against the war and lauding Russia at the same time. Well, I guess you can....but I can't say anyone could have an honest discussion with that as the narrative 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 9 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: so anyone with an opposing viewpoint than the official narrative is jingo and therefore ok to troll? No one is trolling you, dude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 6 hours ago, André Toulon said: Because dude, at this point it seems you've abandoned the entire imperialist west shit for a pretty staunch fuck Ukraine stance....which I honestly didn't think was your goal. But here you are, cheering at even the slightest Russian positive vs Ukraine... Like this isn't about America....you just really are a Putin fanboy. You can't be against the war and lauding Russia at the same time. Well, I guess you can....but I can't say anyone could have an honest discussion with that as the narrative -i never been on a "fuck ukraine" stance. i always felt bad that they were egged on by the west to provoke russia into this situation. even with the acknowledgement that there are indeed nazis in ukraine, i would have preferred no war instead. i believe even the worst kind of peace is preferable to a needlessly bloody war. so no, not a fuck you to ukraine and im still anti imperialist. -the only times i ever "cheered" was when they won at bakhmut, which was a decisive victory whatever anyone here might say. and that was more of a cheer against the msm narrative that russia is losing the battle. most my energy is directed towards the msm narratives. and also against western imperialist agendas. -i do think putin is a good leader. but i dont consider myself a fanboy, since there are things i dont like. i can agree with people who might not align with my views, and disagree with those that do align with me. -im just giving credit to where credit is due, russia so far has been doing a great job. hell, i even give credit to the ukranian soldiers for putting up a hell of a fight despite the setbacks and the stacked odds they are facing. but the leadership in ukraine is about as corrupt as they come, and washington is king of corruptness so they will fight to the last ukrainian. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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