Putin: "Stick to the timeline!"

[Icarus27k]

[tsar4]

Wagner Group: "We came, we saw, we conquered...we're outta here..."

 

EDIT: This might be why they're planning to leave...

Edited May 21, 2023 by tsar4

[Raptorpat]

My understanding is that Wagner's only strategic use is assault and have no ability to defend territory after gaining it. So basically they're in "not my problem, we did our job" mode.

[Distortedreasoning]

15 hours ago, Icarus27k said:

The Russian army as it existed before 2022 is now gone. It's now just a bunch of reservists and lightly trained conscripts. 

Losing almost your entire regular army in 18 months in a war of choice is pretty bad. (Wagner isn't even the army.) 

sure keep telling yourself that. and the earth is flat.

[Distortedreasoning]

16 hours ago, stilgar said:

I like that you only showed up because you think your team did something good. 

sore loser talk. 

but i can see i  hurt everybody's feelings with my post, judging by the responses.  

 

[stilgar]

12 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

sore loser talk. 

but i can see i  hurt everybody's feelings with my post, judging by the responses.  

 

Again, you are acting like this is your favorite sports team winning a game. Why do you love Russian imperialism so much? It's weird.

[scoobdog]

25 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

sore loser talk. 

but i can see i  hurt everybody's feelings with my post, judging by the responses.  

 

This has to be the worst heel turn since Hulk Hogan cucked that dude in Florida.

[Distortedreasoning]

15 minutes ago, stilgar said:

Again, you are acting like this is your favorite sports team winning a game. Why do you love Russian imperialism so much? It's weird.

they arent imperialist. and im happy that they are beating western imperialism. why do you love western imperialism? 

 

 

[scoobdog]

lol wut?  So trying to overthrow an elected government to install loyalist puppets isn’t imperialism?

[stilgar]

Oh, I forgot since you ran away to hide that you are a massive idiot. 

[Distortedreasoning]

5 minutes ago, stilgar said:

Oh, I forgot since you ran away to hide that you are a massive idiot. 

youre just projecting. 

[Distortedreasoning]

11 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

lol wut?  So trying to overthrow an elected government to install loyalist puppets isn’t imperialism?

i aint doing this again with yall. like talking to a wall. 

[rpgamer]

10 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

lol wut?  So trying to overthrow an elected government to install loyalist puppets isn’t imperialism?

That's some olympic-level mental gymnastics. Ironic, how that doesn't seem to exercise the brain very well at all, tho..

[Icarus27k]

The Russian invasion of Ukraine is imperialism. Putin (it's pretty much his idea and that of a few other people around him) want to control the countries neighboring Russia by any means, including by invading them and killing their leaders if that's what is required. 

 

The invasion is NOT about Russia's self-defense. It's a lie when they say they feel threatened by Ukraine, NATO or anyone else. The Russian government lies. They create elaborate lies to hide their real intentions. It's been one of their defining traits forever. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Icarus27k

[scoobdog]

28 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

i aint doing this again with yall. like talking to a wall. 

When did you turn into white girl from the Deep South?

[André Toulon]

1 hour ago, stilgar said:

Again, you are acting like this is your favorite sports team winning a game. Why do you love Russian imperialism so much? It's weird.

I think he's hoping his boyfriend will jump in and he can tag out again, but I think Spike is in the infirmity.

[Seight]

It's fine, he doesn't know that his tag team partner was sent to the shadow realm yet again.

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

6 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

they arent imperialist. and im happy that they are beating western imperialism. why do you love western imperialism? 

 

 

So for the sake of argument let's say that it really is Western imperialism, and not Russian imperialism....

Why do you seem so down-right giddy that Ukranians are losing their lives? Is the Ukraine also an imperialist nation ruining the globe and deserve to be burned to the ground?

[scoobdog]

2 hours ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

So for the sake of argument let's say that it really is Western imperialism, and not Russian imperialism....

Why do you seem so down-right giddy that Ukranians are losing their lives? Is the Ukraine also an imperialist nation ruining the globe and deserve to be burned to the ground?

He’s okay with it because they allowed themselves to be puppets for the US.

[Master-Debater131]

Something may be happening in Belogord. It sounds like the Freedom for Russian Legion has taken a huge chunk of the area from Russia. They are a Ukrainian allied group or Russian fighters.

Belogord is also where Russia stores some of its nuclear weapons.

Nothing is confirmed yet, but theres a ton of stuff starting to float around online supposedly showing the FRL with heavy equipment moving through Belogord.

Edited May 22, 2023 by Master-Debater131

[Master-Debater131]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/22/anti-kremlin-militia-freedom-of-russia-legion-overrun-russian-border-village-kozinka

Anti-Putin militia claims to have overrun Russian border village

"Fighting has broken out along the Russian border with Ukraine after self-described Russian partisan forces launched a cross-border raid and claimed to have overrun a border village for the first time in the war.

The Freedom of Russia Legion, which describes itself as an anti-Kremlin militia seeking to liberate Russia from Vladimir Putin, claimed to have crossed the border and overrun the settlement of Kozinka, while sending units into the town of Grayvoron in Russia’s Belgorod region.

It is not yet clear how many people have been injured in the fighting, which continued into the evening. Footage of the raid, purportedly from a border checkpoint in Grayvoron, has shown casualties, including video of a Russian officer lying facedown in a pool of blood next to Russian passports and other documents scattered on the floor. The video also showed armoured vehicles appearing to overrun the post.

The growing chaos in Belgorod region, where local authorities announced a “counterterrorist regime” on Monday evening, was a rare case where Russian villages have come face-to-face with a conflict that the country’s army has unleashed across Ukraine. Both Russia and Ukrainian officials have confirmed fighting at the border."

 

So yea, it sure does look like theres some sort of skirmish happening in Russia right now.

[Jman]

Is it a significant force?  It must be if they’re launching a sustained occupation campaign.   Does Russia have the troops and equipment to spare if these guys can open a new front?

[tsar4]

5 hours ago, Jman said:

Is it a significant force?  It must be if they’re launching a sustained occupation campaign.   Does Russia have the troops and equipment to spare if these guys can open a new front?

Maybe they'll have to pull out of Georgia.

(Chevy Chase on SNL: "A despondent Georgia could not be reached for comment.") 

[Icarus27k]

Here's hoping, I guess. 

Ukraine isn't going to achieve its military goal of evicting Russia from all of its 1991 borders, which is bad, but Russia is weakened and probably wont be a serious threat for a long time, giving Putin some time to die off.

[Distortedreasoning]

23 hours ago, rpgamer said:

That's some olympic-level mental gymnastics. Ironic, how that doesn't seem to exercise the brain very well at all, tho..

there isnt much to exercise it here. 

[Distortedreasoning]

17 hours ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

So for the sake of argument let's say that it really is Western imperialism, and not Russian imperialism....

Why do you seem so down-right giddy that Ukranians are losing their lives? Is the Ukraine also an imperialist nation ruining the globe and deserve to be burned to the ground?

where did i say i was giddy for dead ukrainians? 

i always said this war was provoked by nato. and since the war started theres been more revelations that support that claim. i truly feel bad for the people of both ukraine and russia. those countries were like brothers and now they been forced to fight and kill each other. 

 

my "giddiness" is more from the msm reporting on russia losing the war, but reality paints a different picture. like when everyone was saying russia's economy was gonna tank but gdp was only -2.1% and russian inflation is at a much lower level than ours. and now russia is reported by the imf, to have higher growth than even some eu countries like germany or uk or this year. or like when russia is running out of weapons but clearly have enough to overwhelm ukraine's defenses. 

[Distortedreasoning]

1 hour ago, Icarus27k said:

Here's hoping, I guess. 

Ukraine isn't going to achieve its military goal of evicting Russia from all of its 1991 borders, which is bad, but Russia is weakened and probably wont be a serious threat for a long time, giving Putin some time to die off.

they aint getting any of their 2022 territory back. 

[stilgar]

13 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

i always said this war was provoked by nato. and since the war started theres been more revelations that support that claim.

I mean, there hasn't but keep on rooting for Russian imperialism.

[scoobdog]

18 hours ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Why do you seem so down-right giddy that Ukranians are losing their lives? Is the Ukraine also an imperialist nation ruining the globe and deserve to be burned to the ground?

 

1 hour ago, Distortedreasoning said:

where did i say i was giddy for dead ukrainians? i

I guess it’s hard to challenge your own intellect when you don’t speak English.

[tsar4]

Next, Putin will lead an expedition to build a bridge between the twin peaks of Mount Kilimanjaro...

[tsar4]

MUH HA HA HA HA HA...just Putin a bug in his ear.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734663/

 

[Distortedreasoning]

On 5/23/2023 at 12:19 AM, scoobdog said:

 

I guess it’s hard to challenge your own intellect when you don’t speak English.

just like i said, nobody here is interested in any discussion that doesnt go along with natos propaganda.

whatever makes you feel better i guess. 

[katt_goddess]

23 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

just like i said, nobody here is interested in any discussion that doesnt go along with natos propaganda.

whatever makes you feel better i guess. 

Except NATO didn't start this except by merely existing. Ukraine floated the idea of joining NATO purely because they feared Russia was planning something and wanted to have a guarantee of help IF that happened. Meanwhile, Russia loaded up its troops at the border claiming they were totally just doing normal exercises, nothing to see here. Then, Russia invaded and started bombing the crap out of all those very bad military sites...oh wait, they bombed schools, hospitals, and shelters that specifically posted large signs that could be read from the skies that there were children present. They filled graves with civilians when they didn't just leave them to rot in the streets as they went through. Russia's claim that they didn't want NATO at their border doesn't wash since they've also since claimed that Ukraine - an independent country - was actually part of Russia all along. If they had left alone, had not lined up on the border in the first place, and had said pointblank they had zero interest in the country of Ukraine and behaved as such, there would have been very little consideration of that country joining a protective group. And now, because of their own actions, Russia lost their arbitrary NATO-free border to the north because Finland joined NATO. 

Summary: if Russia wanted to have a NATO-free border, they wouldn't have threatened and then invaded a neutral country that buffered the two. 

[stilgar]

51 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

just like i said, nobody here is interested in any discussion that doesnt go along with natos propaganda.

whatever makes you feel better i guess. 

Lol.

 

This shit is hilarious for you to say.

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Distortedreasoning said:

just like i said, nobody here is interested in any discussion that doesnt go along with natos propaganda.

whatever makes you feel better i guess. 

Well, it’s not like you’re giving us anything to work with.  Western hegemony is a valid point of discussion, but not if you’re going to say something ridiculously stupid like the inhumane actions of two openly despotic dictators are somehow correlative.

But that being said, your debate skills are trash.

[Top Gun]

I just want to know how many lead paint chips his mom snacked on while pregnant.

[tsar4]

"And the hell they will go through, probably those who remain alive, they will envy the dead."

[Icarus27k]

1 hour ago, tsar4 said:

"And the hell they will go through, probably those who remain alive, they will envy the dead."

That's quite the bravado from a party to the war. 

[tsar4]

3 minutes ago, Icarus27k said:

That's quite the bravado from a party to the war. 

Leaning into Revelations 9:6 territory 

[Icarus27k]

 

I don't know about this, but I do know the Russian government really hates it when the U.S. treats it less than a peer. It seems so provocative that I am cautious about the U.S. taking that stance.

[scoobdog]

3 minutes ago, Icarus27k said:

I don't know about this, but I do know the Russian government really hates it when the U.S. treats it less than a peer. It seems so provocative that I am cautious about the U.S. taking that stance.

Russia isn’t less than a peer, but Putin has made it difficult to separate himself from the state.

[ghostrek]

wonder if Russia would do anything similar to the Belgorod Oblast attack/raid in the USA Canada Britain or any other NATO country. In my small rural part of Ohio, I see a lot of support for the Russian side of the war at least in the circles I follow which kind of concerns me. And as someone is kind of worried about more or less his friend group or / coworkers being anti-government extremists or being associated if some anti-government militia type groups. Should I be worried about something like that personally?

[Raptorpat]

no I don't think you should be worried about that in this context

[tsar4]

Happy 1,541st birthday to Kyiv!

[Icarus27k]

Mystery Science Theater 3000 one time riffed on an old movie called "Invasion USA" about the Soviet Union invading the United States. 

It was a pretty funny movie. At one point, a Russian military spy blows his cover by getting confused over the term "Chicago Cubs". He was like, "what do you mean? A cub is a small bear" and all the American characters were like, "*gasp* it's the spy!"  Apparently this was intended to be the big, shocking reveal. 

Now I want to watch that episode again.  

Edited May 28, 2023 by Icarus27k

[Icarus27k]

*at the title* 

 

Invasion Ooo-sa? What? 

[Icarus27k]

 

 

[ghostrek]

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[ghostrek]

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[ghostrek]

11 hours ago, Icarus27k said:

Mystery Science Theater 3000 one time riffed on an old movie called "Invasion USA" about the Soviet Union invading the United States. 

It was a pretty funny movie. At one point, a Russian military spy blows his cover by getting confused over the term "Chicago Cubs". He was like, "what do you mean? A cub is a small bear" and all the American characters were like, "*gasp* it's the spy!"  Apparently this was intended to be the big, shocking reveal. 

Now I want to watch that episode again.  

Great episode but yes