Guest VegetaFajita Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just want to drop this here. Actual threats will not be tolerated, ever. I have seen two incidences of users directly or indirectly threatening violence towards other members. Neither of those users post here anymore, but if I see it in the future it will result in a permanent ban with no recourse. I'm not spending a couple grand a year to foster an environment where people are attacked. Babbling's boy Zeni has threatened to verbally and physically attempt an altercation with me at an [AS] and has continued to bring up the subject on occasion since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Don't grown ass adults go through the proper reporting channels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I guess I was summoned here for a reason, and I like that there is some form of discussion going on here with the users who do more than stir the pot, but in reality.....I do what I want......And why is Viper still strutting around like we need to listen to him. Especially when he's guilty of just about every infraction he just listed off as shit that'll get you banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mix Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I guess I was summoned here for a reason, and I like that there is some form of discussion going on here with the users who do more than stir the pot, but in reality.....I do what I want......And why is Viper still strutting around like we need to listen to him. Especially when he's guilty of just about every infraction he just listed off as shit that'll get you banned. we're trying to consolidate all the discussions that were going on including the one I was having with you which I wanna say is on page....3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Babbling's boy Zeni has threatened to verbally and physically attempt an altercation with me at an [AS] and has continued to bring up the subject on occasion since. So scared. ^ as long as this style of "trolling" is still allowed then nothing of value will be lost with a clampdown on celebrating the idea of a user or their family dying and things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VegetaFajita Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I guess I was summoned here for a reason, and I like that there is some form of discussion going on here with the users who do more than stir the pot, but in reality.....I do what I want......And why is Viper still strutting around like we need to listen to him. Especially when he's guilty of just about every infraction he just listed off as shit that'll get you banned. yea yea yea more shit posting from you not even reading my ideas etc. babbling sux pod6 is jerks tldr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VegetaFajita Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 So scared. ^ as long as this style of "trolling" is still allowed then nothing of value will be lost with a clampdown on celebrating the idea of a user or their family dying and things like that. yea more rapistintraining enabling bla bla i get it pod6 sucks no one likes us lets act like we're tough shit on the webz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 yea yea yea more shit posting from you not even reading my ideas etc. babbling sux pod6 is jerks tldr But I did read your ideas.......You drop Nbombs and say F*ggot all the time then try to defend it, you have a thread active right now about you taking a shit and ruining someone else's day yet you say no being disgusting, you told everyone to be themselves but derail threads with talk of your dong, then post stock photos of some other dude's peen. When you don't get your way, you spam the hell outta the boards, you persistently troll phillies because of some archaic beef you have. You are everything that you described in your post and all I wanna know is why should anyone listen to you or your ideas. But yeah, we're the jerks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VegetaFajita Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 But I did read your ideas.......You drop Nbombs and say F*ggot all the time then try to defend it, you have a thread active right now about you taking a shit and ruining someone else's day yet you say no being disgusting, you told everyone to be themselves but derail threads with talk of your dong, then post stock photos of some other dude's peen. When you don't get your way, you spam the hell outta the boards, you persistently troll phillies because of some archaic beef you have. You are everything that you described in your post and all I wanna know is why should anyone listen to you or your ideas. But yeah, we're the jerks. I don't do any of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I don't do any of those things. Then you are indeed truly crazy if you believe this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Whelp..... Not sure what I can add to this discussion, but It's worth noting that this latest brouhaha is really about how ill defined the concept of personal is. Trolling, despite it being considered bannable previously, it's essentially about antagonizing other people within the confines of the established rules. It was always unenforceable, but that hasn't stopped some people from finding ways to make things personal. What we're seeing now are some pretty insane attempts to make any kind of offensive comment a personal attack, usually by stringing together a posters entire history as context. Bucket's recent gun photo and the reaction it elicited is a perfect example of how what is perceived as threat can be expanded. If you make the line of unacceptable behavior as attacks on the person instead of what he or she says, then it's clear what needs to be moderated, and most of this goes away. The bigger issue of getting more people can't be solved through moderation. You will never be able to moderate people into being articulate, witty, intelligent, and open minded. You won't moderate out well reasoned opinions. Most importantly, you can't moderate sensitivity to difficult issues. I don't want to say the old ASMB was better because it really wasn't, but at least there were enough big egos to keep each other in check. Ultimately, that's the missing factor here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Don't know why I was summoned here. I suppose I've been reported quite a few times. I don't really care what you guys do, as I don't take anything seriously on these boards. Seriously, do whatever you guys want. Just realize some people will still give you shit over your changes because they have nothing else better to do in their spare, or perhaps whole, time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Jackass Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Who actually got their knickers in a twist this time around? I don't really care what you do with the "problem posters". The staff already have their favorites, nothing I say, even if I had something to say, would matter. Kowtow to Viperslayer before he throws another tantrum and permaban Zeni because he hurt people's feelings. Don't do anything because you're afraid to step on toes. Ban anyone who doesn't toe the line, at least for the first couple weeks, in some farcical showing of "impartiality." Do whatever, my feelings aren't important and neither are the feelings of the majority of people who still post here. This website is an outlet for me to poke fun and crack wise, and I don't even do that very well. The only thing that would change is this place would be significantly more boring if we started permanently removing certain elements, but maybe I'm just damaged and like to laugh at temper tantrums on the internet. Luuv died, whatever plan he had went out the window, nothing truly matters, we're all going to die, the world keeps spinning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Jackass Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Don't grown ass adults go through the proper reporting channels? Not when they're friends with certain members of the administration. Shh, forget I said this before I get permabanned for something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Jackass Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Why is my name in here? ohno I said the same thing when I noticed a mention in my toolbar, senpai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I know why my name is here cuz my Dumpster Fires thread. First the rules need to be clearly defined. Sandstone made 2 threads, pornographic in nature but he had everything spoiler tagged so that shoulda been ok. Viper needs to stop being a part of any discussion on how these boards should be handled on a moderation and technical standpoint I'm not saying mods helpers and admins should be perfect but they should not be trolling users changing posts or any type of shit like that. Yeah Zeni trolled Viper and Viper did a good job of ignoring him but he ain't innocent in any of this. as far as banning goes. I dunno just throw shit in Dumpster Fires and be done with it. If you want a 3 strike rule for some behaviors fine cool w/e but I'll have you know there are trolls here pretty easy to ignore and the people that get offended by everything so good luck moderating that shit. Oh one more thing if you don't want us thinking there are back room talks and deals going on maybe don't whip your dix and tits out by mentioning it in threads just a suggestion :catlol and if that last comment don't apply let it fly. :catlol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Moderation is fine Moderating because someone is butthurt or the Mob has decided that the "wrong opinion" was posted isnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just to address a couple of things said in the Dumpster Fires thread I made 1. It wasn't only about Viper and yes he was great at first and seems to be ok atm but that can change at any moment Aside from that I've seen other staff interaction with posters that made me go whut. 2. Not all babblers/ranters live for the troll life. Some of us have the ability to isolate our bad behavior to rants and Dumpster Fires 3. One of the issues might be rants and babbling is one folder. Is there a way either the user or mod (preferably the thread maker) can put a tag or some sort of marker distinguishing a rant from a babble so they can be moderated accordingly? It all used to be FFA but all it took was 1 or 2 "derp what's with all the political threads" for that to change 4. 5. Maybe rants and Dumpster Fires should not be moderated. Enter at your own risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapinator_X Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I don't see the reason why we need to be more aggressive towards the usual suspects that the mods have a personal grudge against. At least, that's what it comes off as. Whenever I see threads like this, the mods are never against users who are actively spouting hate speech, but there's always a loud chorus of people who are rallying against people that could easily be ignored with common sense. Zeni's treated differently because he irritates people who have moderation power, and the OKC harassment threads gave them the go-ahead to do whatever Viper wants when he's not managing his graveyard forum that was supposed to blow Luuv out of the water. Fuggz rubs people the wrong way because of whatever fabrication she comes up with is taken more seriously than it needs to. I can't vouch for whether anything people claim on the forums is true or not, but I feel like it's fucking crazy that Stillme was going to go full Inspector Zenigata to try and report her to the cyber police for whatever claim she made about her medication or how every thread she makes has at least one post by Misaka about how she's a fuck cushion because of whatever tinderonis she claims to be going with. Again, she might be putting her kid/mom through some kind of misery, but is it really necessary to wait for the opportunity to perma ban her because you don't like her? I don't even know why Phillies name is popping up in who needs to be moderated out of existence. Counting down the days of the week isn't an infraction, nor is tapping into gimmicks that annoy you. My best guess is that Viper's grudge has some influence on the other mods, and users just have to moderate off of their own personal vendettas. Bucket's not showing up in anyone's mouth when it comes to moderating violent speech, but y'all are acting like Phillies is coming in your safe space because he made some threads about Miku or the Omen or whatever itches your assholes. I think if we have to moderate based off of witch hunts, then the moderation team has failed. If it's all about settling scores or trying to make the forum a safe space where nobody posts because anyone that's ever contributed to a conversation is gone, then there's no reason to even stay on. Everyone has their beefs, but solving them through abusing moderation power is beyond bullshit. I'd rather have a lawless forum if the other choice is letting the moderators flaunt and abuse their power in an endless ego trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just to address a couple of things said in the Dumpster Fires thread I made 1. It wasn't only about Viper and yes he was great at first and seems to be ok atm but that can change at any moment Aside from that I've seen other staff interaction with posters that made me go whut. 2. Not all babblers/ranters live for the troll life. Some of us have the ability to isolate our bad behavior to rants and Dumpster Fires 3. One of the issues might be rants and babbling is one folder. Is there a way either the user or mod (preferably the thread maker) can put a tag or some sort of marker distinguishing a rant from a babble so they can be moderated accordingly? It all used to be FFA but all it took was 1 or 2 "derp what's with all the political threads" for that to change 4. 5. Maybe rants and Dumpster Fires should not be moderated. Enter at your own risk. DF shouldn't be moderated because that's where all the shit ends up anyway. Most of the people who post there do it for love of the steaming piles of shit. I almost think the EASIEST thing would be to remove the report feature from DF and if you came in there to cry, just know you're in the wrong place.....Take that weak shit somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 That is correct - that is the whole point of DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Whelp..... Not sure what I can add to this discussion, but It's worth noting that this latest brouhaha is really about how ill defined the concept of personal is. Trolling, despite it being considered bannable previously, it's essentially about antagonizing other people within the confines of the established rules. It was always unenforceable, but that hasn't stopped some people from finding ways to make things personal. What we're seeing now are some pretty insane attempts to make any kind of offensive comment a personal attack, usually by stringing together a posters entire history as context. Bucket's recent gun photo and the reaction it elicited is a perfect example of how what is perceived as threat can be expanded. If you make the line of unacceptable behavior as attacks on the person instead of what he or she says, then it's clear what needs to be moderated, and most of this goes away. The bigger issue of getting more people can't be solved through moderation. You will never be able to moderate people into being articulate, witty, intelligent, and open minded. You won't moderate out well reasoned opinions. Most importantly, you can't moderate sensitivity to difficult issues. I don't want to say the old ASMB was better because it really wasn't, but at least there were enough big egos to keep each other in check. Ultimately, that's the missing factor here. I'm not sure why people are freaking out over him posting a picture of a legally owned firearm. I don't remember him making a threat against anyone here or anyone else in particular. If he said something else aimed at someone specifically please post it, because I keep seeing people getting in a tizzy over this. Saying you are going to defend yourself against looters is hardly a threat of violence against someone else. I'm not a fan of the guy personally, but this type of categorization of behavior is exactly what I was talking about in my posts to rogue. This is not the specific and non-descript type of bad behavior that should be moderated at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm not sure why people are freaking out over him posting a picture of a legally owned firearm. I don't remember him making a threat against anyone here or anyone else in particular. If he said something else aimed at someone specifically please post it, because I keep seeing people getting in a tizzy over this. Saying you are going to defend yourself against looters is hardly a threat of violence against someone else. I'm not a fan of the guy personally, but this type of categorization of behavior is exactly what I was talking about in my posts to rogue. This is not the specific and non-descript type of bad behavior that shouldn't be moderated at all. People posted their reasons why. I can't help that you chose to ignore them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I know why my name is here cuz my Dumpster Fires thread. First the rules need to be clearly defined. Sandstone made 2 threads, pornographic in nature but he had everything spoiler tagged so that shoulda been ok. Viper needs to stop being a part of any discussion on how these boards should be handled on a moderation and technical standpoint I'm not saying mods helpers and admins should be perfect but they should not be trolling users changing posts or any type of shit like that. Yeah Zeni trolled Viper and Viper did a good job of ignoring him but he ain't innocent in any of this. as far as banning goes. I dunno just throw shit in Dumpster Fires and be done with it. If you want a 3 strike rule for some behaviors fine cool w/e but I'll have you know there are trolls here pretty easy to ignore and the people that get offended by everything so good luck moderating that shit. Oh one more thing if you don't want us thinking there are back room talks and deals going on maybe don't whip your dix and tits out by mentioning it in threads just a suggestion :catlol and if that last comment don't apply let it fly. :catlol 1pooh4u[/member] I agree with you. I hope the post modification thing got fixed in DF. That was not a good thing to just have laying around. Other than that I don't think DF should be moderated beyond any of the afforementioned threats of violence. I mean it specifically says that people posting there are free game because it is the trash bin. Also back to my whole point of categorizing whole non-specific types of behavior as moderation action imperatives, you list a prime example of this with my threads being sent to DF even though as far as I am aware I followed the board rules for posting illicit materials (not to mention giving a huge big read font warning at the top of the thread indicating NSFW). This was still never explained to me, not that I really care at this point, but it does illustrate my point about the need to have very specific rules about what will be moderated instead of just saying generic things like "posting harmful or offensive stuff is bad". While this is a true statement, I don't think it is a well-defined rule for moderation purposes and tends to bring up a whole host of issues which will ultimately devolve into people getting butthurt over being banned for non-specific reasons and accuse people of abuse of power. Having things clearly defined to a degree which no one that is capable of posting on the internet could mistake the meaning of, will simply stop this from being an issue, because anyone that violates those specific things will then not have a leg to stand on in terms of crying about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 People posted their reasons why. I can't help that you chose to ignore them. Posted reasons for what? I want to know what the specific threat made was, can you quote it for me? I mean if you show me a legitimate threat that he actually made to someone or even in general then I will be on board with banning him. I'm not in favor of letting people get away with violent threats. However this is a good example of something that is very specific for moderation and as such needs to be specifically evidenced when, what, why, how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Posted reasons for what? I want to know what the specific threat made was, can you quote it for me? I mean if you show me a legitimate threat that he actually made to someone or even in general then I will be on board with banning him. I'm not in favor of letting people get away with violent threats. However this is a good example of something that is very specific for moderation and as such needs to be specifically evidenced when, what, why, how. Or you can go back and read the posts instead of expecting me to do it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 That is correct - that is the whole point of DF That's what's great about Dumpster Fires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1pooh4u[/member] I agree with you. I hope the post modification thing got fixed in DF. That was not a good thing to just have laying around. Other than that I don't think DF should be moderated beyond any of the afforementioned threats of violence. I mean it specifically says that people posting there are free game because it is the trash bin. Also back to my whole point of categorizing whole non-specific types of behavior as moderation action imperatives, you list a prime example of this with my threads being sent to DF even though as far as I am aware I followed the board rules for posting illicit materials (not to mention giving a huge big read font warning at the top of the thread indicating NSFW). This was still never explained to me, not that I really care at this point, but it does illustrate my point about the need to have very specific rules about what will be moderated instead of just saying generic things like "posting harmful or offensive stuff is bad". While this is a true statement, I don't think it is a well-defined rule for moderation purposes and tends to bring up a whole host of issues which will ultimately devolve into people getting butthurt over being banned for non-specific reasons and accuse people of abuse of power. Having things clearly defined to a degree which no one that is capable of posting on the internet could mistake the meaning of, will simply stop this from being an issue, because anyone that violates those specific things will then not have a leg to stand on in terms of crying about it. There were mods changing Ticc posts as well a dead issue since he's not here anymore :catlol As far as Bucket's pic of his gun I guess it's more of a posting history thing with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Oh, we're still talking about the Bucket thread, huh....If I remember correctly, Bucket just said somthing like "got something for the looters" and people made fun of him being fat and shooting himself out of depression or something......Then Mochi comes in on some threatening to shoot people shit and blaming mods for not banning him........Honestly, Rogue snowballed that shit by sounding like a trigger happy nutcase while he was arguing with penguin, and he came back and cleaned his post up after he sobered up. I'm fully convinced Bucket is a racist PoS since Nab showed me where he's said awful things off the board and even explained why he doesn't post shit like that on his wall, but I don't recall Bucket ever saying he was itching to pull the trigger.....I may have missed it because I start skimming when the dead dad jokes start, but honestly, the disdain bucket gravitates to himself is based on him being a patently racist clown, tap dancing for entertainment for years on end, and anything he posts will be interpreted that way, no matter the intent because he's worked really hard (well harder at it than anything else) to be a little racist cherub, and that's his fault. I'll have to go read more thoroughly, but iirc, Mochi and Rogue kinda fucked that thread up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yeah, so after reading again, Bucket made like 3 rather iffy posts.....The one with the gun, which was automatically interpreted that he meant looters=blacks.......And that's his fault, he's done that way to much so any excuses fall flat. The next was the NWO post, which I'm not sure why that triggered people because the NWO, as I understand it, don't even want pleab whites or any race.....The want the Elite......That includes the elite of every race. I don't buy into all that illuminati/NWO shit, but isn't that....Know what, nevermind....before I comment further on that, I'll just google it. The third was when he went full bucket and posted black people looting while excluding any white people looting......Which is horse shit because as someone who went through this shit several years, and the most notably being Katrina, white folks steal the fuck out of shit. They just do more retarded shit like steal horses and shit that have escaped, and try to break into gas pumps and ATMs. The rest of that thread's fire was stoked by the incessant bullshit from people entitled enough to cry for a ban, but too dumb to just leave the thread. Other than that, every post he made was about the storm.......Most of the actual bickering had nothing to do with him.....It was Rogue, Penguin, Mochi, Still Me, and Poof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yeah see, saying "got something for the looters" is not a threat. It's a statement showing he has a defensive fire arm. I don't see anything wrong with that. Posting history aside, if someone wants to make a case for someone to be banned they need to report them, the specific posts where they are making threats. I have only reported a few threads, which were all shout out threads aimed at specific users with malicious harassment in them. I can totally agree to specific actions being bannable but those people claiming this need to report said posts and/or notify someone with a specific case for it. This is as simple as quoting the person in a pm or linking their specific post to a mod. I don't understand why people think it's ok to just go around claiming shit about people here and to ask for them to be banned with no actual evidence of wrong doing (by that I mean violating the board rules) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yeah, so after reading again, Bucket made like 3 rather iffy posts.....The one with the gun, which was automatically interpreted that he meant looters=blacks.......And that's his fault, he's done that way to much so any excuses fall flat. The next was the NWO post, which I'm not sure why that triggered people because the NWO, as I understand it, don't even want pleab whites or any race.....The want the Elite......That includes the elite of every race. I don't buy into all that illuminati/NWO shit, but isn't that....Know what, nevermind....before I comment further on that, I'll just google it. The third was when he went full bucket and posted black people looting while excluding any white people looting......Which is horse shit because as someone who went through this shit several years, and the most notably being Katrina, white folks steal the fuck out of shit. They just do more retarded shit like steal horses and shit that have escaped, and try to break into gas pumps and ATMs. The rest of that thread's fire was stoked by the incessant bullshit from people entitled enough to cry for a ban, but too dumb to just leave the thread. Other than that, every post he made was about the storm.......Most of the actual bickering had nothing to do with him.....It was Rogue, Penguin, Mochi, Still Me, and Poof. That behavior is deplorable and I wouldn't begrudge people for telling him to fuck off or showing how he is wrong or whatever, but if you are calling for moderator action you need to site specific abuse of others and violation of board rules. Otherwise we get the tons of people whining about Zeni and Fuggs and Viper, ect... starting up all over the place claiming they shouldn't be here without actually reporting or showing anything that would constitute such an action. And honestly I agree with you, they are just feeding the people they apparently can't stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 There were mods changing Ticc posts as well a dead issue since he's not here anymore :catlol As far as Bucket's pic of his gun I guess it's more of a posting history thing with him. Man, you are on top of things. You need to do a community newsletter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Man, you are on top of things. You need to do a community newsletter. :catlol :catlol I'll make sure to put it straight into Dumpster Fires :catP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1pooh4u[/member] I would probably read it no lie. Since I am always showing up to these things late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yeah, so after reading again, Bucket made like 3 rather iffy posts.....The one with the gun, which was automatically interpreted that he meant looters=blacks.......And that's his fault, he's done that way to much so any excuses fall flat. The next was the NWO post, which I'm not sure why that triggered people because the NWO, as I understand it, don't even want pleab whites or any race.....The want the Elite......That includes the elite of every race. I don't buy into all that illuminati/NWO shit, but isn't that....Know what, nevermind....before I comment further on that, I'll just google it. The third was when he went full bucket and posted black people looting while excluding any white people looting......Which is horse shit because as someone who went through this shit several years, and the most notably being Katrina, white folks steal the fuck out of shit. They just do more retarded shit like steal horses and shit that have escaped, and try to break into gas pumps and ATMs. The rest of that thread's fire was stoked by the incessant bullshit from people entitled enough to cry for a ban, but too dumb to just leave the thread. Other than that, every post he made was about the storm.......Most of the actual bickering had nothing to do with him.....It was Rogue, Penguin, Mochi, Still Me, and Poof. The NWO part bumped Bucket up from racist with a gun to crazy racist with a gun. NWO conspiracy folks believe in white genocide and that 'SJWs' are the true nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poof Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'd wager that most ppl don't give a fuck about being an internet tough guy. The thing about enjoying other ppl'a misery from trolling is that you need normal people who just want to relax to troll. One day there won't be any normal people left and you'll have finally killed this place. Is it a big news flash that ppl don't like posting with hardasses that think racism and pedophilia are just for shits n giggles. There were lots of ppl who left and some who remain who liked this place b/c it WASNT 4chan or some other uncensored cesspool. I never wanted a 100% uncensored environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1pooh4u[/member] I would probably read it no lie. Since I am always showing up to these things late better late than never though, amirite? :catlol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 better late than never though, amirite? :catlol I mean I guess, but it limits my ability to accurately contribute to anything relevant to my interests because there is alot of infighting and baggage crap associated with stuff I would just find to be a discussion about something otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm not sure why people are freaking out over him posting a picture of a legally owned firearm. I don't remember him making a threat against anyone here or anyone else in particular. If he said something else aimed at someone specifically please post it, because I keep seeing people getting in a tizzy over this. Saying you are going to defend yourself against looters is hardly a threat of violence against someone else. I'm not a fan of the guy personally, but this type of categorization of behavior is exactly what I was talking about in my posts to rogue. This is not the specific and non-descript type of bad behavior that should be moderated at all. It's right there in my post why they did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'd wager that most ppl don't give a fuck about being an internet tough guy. The thing about enjoying other ppl'a misery from trolling is that you need normal people who just want to relax to troll. One day there won't be any normal people left and you'll have finally killed this place. Is it a big news flash that ppl don't like posting with hardasses that think racism and pedophilia are just for shits n giggles. There were lots of ppl who left and some who remain who liked this place b/c it WASNT 4chan or some other uncensored cesspool. I never wanted a 100% uncensored environment. I'll take your wager. You probably don't hang out in the other boards too often because those places don't have the kind of aggressive, persistent trolling to the degree Rants and FFA do. As much as people like to talk about us chasing out newcomers, the reality is that this is not really any different than when Prospero opened - the new people are still going to explore the specific topics to get a feel before they move into the Colisseum of those two folders. That there aren't a bunch of new people isn't so much a function of them being chased away as much as its just a matter of this place not drawing people in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Oh yeah sorry, I don't think I read all of what you said well enough. You were basically saying what I was, I can't tell if it's for the same reason as me but it probably is. I also agree with your additional analysis about what parts of the formula are missing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'd wager that most ppl don't give a fuck about being an internet tough guy. The thing about enjoying other ppl'a misery from trolling is that you need normal people who just want to relax to troll. That's cowpie, the people that most commonly get trolled are Zeni Bucket Viper Fuggz Packard Ginguy MD Ben and maybe a few others and they are ALL trolls themselves.........Just pecause the alleged "normal" people have an opinion about it doesn't mean they are being trolled too, even though it hurts their feewings that those threads where people are bickering are the most active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunStarHero Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I dont need any powers, honestly. I was brought in to make art assets and since Luuv's passing I haven't done much of anything. Only times I used the little power I was given was to spoiler nudity, remove a picture of a decapitated head, and remove fuggs phone number. I even told Luuv I didn't want any powers over other users and since I dont even have powers to edit/add art assets I'm basically useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Since I was summoned.... Without identifying what the goal of the moderation policy is in relation to the board this is an academic exercise at best. Is the goal "Don't get KN indicted"; if so, then there is no need to change anything as obscene material is removed as a matter of course. If the goal is to "foster an atmosphere of civil discourse and exchange" for the purpose of "growing the user base" then there will have to be an emphasis on what constitutes civil discourse oriented towards not fostering a hostile atmosphere. This has to be determined by Administration, and really should have been done before any type of public inquiry was made, as opening this kind of decision process to public inquiry without a focused goal will inevitably result in personal grudges, agendas and generally shitty trolling dominating and derailing the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Alphonse Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Oh, we're still talking about the Bucket thread, huh....If I remember correctly, Bucket just said somthing like "got something for the looters" and people made fun of him being fat and shooting himself out of depression or something......Then Mochi comes in on some threatening to shoot people shit and blaming mods for not banning him........Honestly, Rogue snowballed that shit by sounding like a trigger happy nutcase while he was arguing with penguin, and he came back and cleaned his post up after he sobered up. I'm fully convinced Bucket is a racist PoS since Nab showed me where he's said awful things off the board and even explained why he doesn't post shit like that on his wall, but I don't recall Bucket ever saying he was itching to pull the trigger.....I may have missed it because I start skimming when the dead dad jokes start, but honestly, the disdain bucket gravitates to himself is based on him being a patently racist clown, tap dancing for entertainment for years on end, and anything he posts will be interpreted that way, no matter the intent because he's worked really hard (well harder at it than anything else) to be a little racist cherub, and that's his fault. I'll have to go read more thoroughly, but iirc, Mochi and Rogue kinda fucked that thread up. Actually, I was sober the whole time. I just don't do though process well when I am sick, which I have been since Sunday. I just tells it how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I don't know what goes in to it... as not my field of expertise by any stretch.... but... like.... Eh... I'm bored already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 there's not a lot of people in this world that i feel bad for, but reading this thread actually makes me feel bad that KN[/member] is spending his hard earned money. he's got way more patience than i'll ever have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Alphonse Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 there's not a lot of people in this world that i feel bad for, but reading this thread actually makes me feel bad that KN[/member] is spending his hard earned money. he's got way more patience than i'll ever have Yep I can agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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