Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 Im using this thread for the Speaker Drama. 19 House GOP members are refusing to vote for McCarthy. He has fallen short of the 218 required to be elected Speaker. Democrats are united behind Jefferies at 212 votes. This is the first floor fight since I believe the 1800's. So this is something you just dont usually see. Quote
Raptorpat Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 I was gonna make my own thread but you posted first so I spliced it out. Think up a snappy titles. This is the first time in exactly 100 years that it's gone to a second ballot. Quote
Jman Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 If the GOP won’t go in lockstep with each other anymore, maybe they’ll realize a lot of elements there aren’t worth keeping around. Wishful thinking, I know. 1 3 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: I was gonna make my own thread but you posted first so I spliced it out. Think up a snappy titles. This is the first time in exactly 100 years that it's gone to a second ballot. McCarthy Madness! GOPs first act in the majority? Chaos! Honestly, theres a lot of potential names for this. Cluster Fuck seems pretty appropriate. It is amusing watching the insane idiots try and run the asylum. They have this idiotic notion that if they just refuse to play ball enough times that somehow the GOP will abandon McCarthy and vote for their wacko choice instead. Its never going to happen, but they are trying it anyways. What would be pure chaos is if a few centrist GOP members say "F This" and vote for Jefferies putting him right up on the threshold to a majority. They could essentially call the wacko GOP bluff and say "Either vote for him, or its a Democrat Speaker again". They would be absolutely eviscerated by conservative media, but man would the drama be epic. Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 McCarthy has lost round 2 of voting. Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 The thing to keep in mind with this floor fight is that if they are fighting over this already then the party is hopelessly fractured when it comes to legislating or governing. There are enough members of the bat shit insane faction to derail absolutely anything and everything that isnt crazy enough for them. Democrats faced this kind of problem with The Squad but Pelosi is a master at wrangling votes so they kept it fairly contained. That wont happen this time. The GOP has no hope of keeping this contained. Its going to be 2 years of chaos from the GOP. 2 Quote
SwimModSponges Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 *goes all in on Speaker of the House Donald Trump* 1 Quote
NewBluntsworth Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said: *goes all in on Speaker of the House Donald Trump* If you want to increase our $100 bet by almost any amount just let me know! Quote
naraku360 Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: The thing to keep in mind with this floor fight is that if they are fighting over this already then the party is hopelessly fractured when it comes to legislating or governing. There are enough members of the bat shit insane faction to derail absolutely anything and everything that isnt crazy enough for them. Democrats faced this kind of problem with The Squad but Pelosi is a master at wrangling votes so they kept it fairly contained. That wont happen this time. The GOP has no hope of keeping this contained. Its going to be 2 years of chaos from the GOP. You say that as if the GOP ever had interest in governing. 2 Quote
SwimModSponges Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said: If you want to increase our $100 bet by almost any amount just let me know! $100 is all-in for me. 1 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, naraku360 said: You say that as if the GOP ever had interest in governing. They did. Reagan, Bush the Elder, and even during the Clinton years saw a GOP that did govern and legislate. George Bush, pre 9/11 was going to be an internal focused president who wanted to reform education and immigration. He had a good chunk of the GOP on board with him as well before 9/11, then everything switched. The post 9/11 GOP did legislate. The party at its core turned into the anti-terrorism party who drastically expanded the size of government and spending. The alphabet agencies gained enormous new power and spending in this time. Thats also when the first real cracks in the GOP started to show. The fiscal conservatives were being pushed out. From there things have only gotten worse. People like to say that the GOP has never had an interest in governing, and thats just wrong. Its just in the last decade or so the party has totally abandoned principled conservatism in favor of owning the libs as a core policy. When you go back to Trumps election it wasnt even as much about him as it was against Hillary. Same with the election we just had. It wasnt as much pro-GOP as it was anti-Biden that led to their win. Quote
naraku360 Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: They did. Reagan, Bush the Elder, and even during the Clinton years saw a GOP that did govern and legislate. George Bush, pre 9/11 was going to be an internal focused president who wanted to reform education and immigration. He had a good chunk of the GOP on board with him as well before 9/11, then everything switched. The post 9/11 GOP did legislate. The party at its core turned into the anti-terrorism party who drastically expanded the size of government and spending. The alphabet agencies gained enormous new power and spending in this time. Thats also when the first real cracks in the GOP started to show. The fiscal conservatives were being pushed out. From there things have only gotten worse. People like to say that the GOP has never had an interest in governing, and thats just wrong. Its just in the last decade or so the party has totally abandoned principled conservatism in favor of owning the libs as a core policy. When you go back to Trumps election it wasnt even as much about him as it was against Hillary. Same with the election we just had. It wasnt as much pro-GOP as it was anti-Biden that led to their win. I was referring to the people presently in power or Trump-era, though it was already transparently so during the Obama admin. Poor wording on my end. Edited January 3, 2023 by naraku360 2 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, naraku360 said: I was referring to the people presently in power or Trump-era, though it was already transparently so during the Obama admin. Poor wording on my end. Ah ok. Cant argue with that. The current GOP has no desire to govern or legislate at all. 1 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 McCarthy lost the 3rd ballot, and he lost 1 vote in his favor this time around. 1 Quote
Raptorpat Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: McCarthy lost the 3rd ballot, and he lost 1 vote in his favor this time around. 1 Quote
Jman Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 This is just getting silly. Especially since the procedure is the votes must continue until a majority is reached. Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Its dumb as hell. its not like these wackos are going to get Jordan to be the speaker. They arent going to get one of their idiots to be speaker. This is what the GOP deserves for embracing Trumpsim and completely abandoning Conservative ideas in favor of "own the libs" politics. The Trumpist GOP was pretty heavily rebuked a few months ago and rather than learn a lesson it seems like these idiots would rather triple down on failure. 1 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jman said: This is just getting silly. Especially since the procedure is the votes must continue until a majority is reached. I dont see how this ends peacefully for the GOP. The two sides are digging in and words like "traitor" and "enemies" are being thrown around within the caucus. Theres a very real path opening up where a Democrat becomes the next Speaker of the House. Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 I dont blame them. The GOP are self-immolating in real time on this vote. If I was a Democrat Ide be enjoying every second of this. Quote
katt_goddess Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: I dont blame them. The GOP are self-immolating in real time on this vote. If I was a Democrat Ide be enjoying every second of this. Okay, new drama. Who the hell removed the partition between the caramel and the 'butter' popcorns? F-ing monster! Also, the LaCroix person gets a backhand too. 2 4 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: Okay, new drama. Who the hell removed the partition between the caramel and the 'butter' popcorns? F-ing monster! Also, the LaCroix person gets a backhand too. Whoever did needs to lose their popcorn privileges. 2 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 Bo Bo the Clown is speaking on Fox. Holy shit is she bad. Really disappointed she won in the end. Shes acting like she won in some landslide and has a mandate to decide who the Speaker is. She won by the slimest of slim margins and very likely loses in 2024. 1 Quote
Ginguy Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: This is what the GOP deserves for embracing Trumpsim and completely abandoning Conservative ideas in favor of "own the libs" politics. This is factually incorrect. In particular the highlighted portion. 2 1 Quote
katt_goddess Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ginguy said: This is factually incorrect. In particular the highlighted portion. So is this an admission that 'conservative ideas' are all about being the most worthless pack of humans possible because that's the only option possible/allowed? 2 4 Quote
Poofy Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Ginguy said: This is factually incorrect. In particular the highlighted portion. ya know, some say Jerome Powell (trump appointee) engineered the most overt act of socialism by making the fed the buyer of last resort (occured during trump's presidency). Are we a planned economy now? Maybe, many, many people are saying so. Idk, OK? Quote
Seight Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Imagine not becoming Speaker because you believe such crazy ideas as "The Earth is round, not flat." 2 Quote
katt_goddess Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Ok ok ok but also Calvert : Hey, you look new here. What's your name? Santos : Some call me Santos. That's one of my many monikers, yes. I am also known as Manolgar of the North Woods, and in certain circles, Austin Aussman Straklabartar. Calvert *flees like a toddler that hears 'what's in your mouth?' 2 3 Quote
Poofy Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: I dont see how this ends peacefully for the GOP. The two sides are digging in and words like "traitor" and "enemies" are being thrown around within the caucus. Theres a very real path opening up where a Democrat becomes the next Speaker of the House. who knew the boogaloo boys were going to civil war themselves... Quote
André Toulon Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Ginguy said: Are these even contextually sound or are you just firing from the hip, hoping it becomes valid later? 1 1 Quote
scoobdog Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Ginguy said: This is factually incorrect. In particular the highlighted portion. Can’t read highlight… too garish. 1 Quote
Seight Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Raptorpat said: 7 hours ago, Raptorpat said: also *types comment* *deletes comment* 1 Quote
Jman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 10 hours ago, Raptorpat said: also This feels like how you would punish an unruly elementary school class. ”No pizza party until we vote on a Speaker!” 2 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 4, 2023 Author Posted January 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, Jman said: This feels like how you would punish an unruly elementary school class. ”No pizza party until we vote on a Speaker!” Well, when you have a chunk of people acting like spoiled brats you treat them like spoiled brats. 2 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 4, 2023 Author Posted January 4, 2023 Trump apparently came out and said that the clowns need to stop fucking up and vote for McCarthy so they can get on with things. Pretty bad when even Trump is sounding like a voice of reason. Quote
scoobdog Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Trump apparently came out and said that the clowns need to stop fucking up and vote for McCarthy so they can get on with things. Pretty bad when even Trump is sounding like a voice of reason. Or he doesn’t like this much attention being spent on someone besides him. 5 Quote
1pooh4u Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 It’s all hilarious and fun and games now, but what happens when 3 or 4 Bozos control every single vote. Maybe the hellscape that us plebs will have to endure will be worth it in the end if this behavior kills the GOP but I doubt it will. Crazy shit is gonna be placed in every piece of legislation. We laugh now but we will be crying later. 1 Quote
Jman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: It’s all hilarious and fun and games now, but what happens when 3 or 4 Bozos control every single vote. Maybe the hellscape that us plebs will have to endure will be worth it in the end if this behavior kills the GOP but I doubt it will. Crazy shit is gonna be placed in every piece of legislation. We laugh now but we will be crying later. And it will get killed in the Senate most likely. This is going to be a lame duck session of Congress and no one is going to look good. 3 Quote
1pooh4u Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jman said: And it will get killed in the Senate most likely. This is going to be a lame duck session of Congress and no one is going to look good. This is the perfect time for Democrats to come up with a plan of policy and strategy to make the GOP look like the useless, trash people that they are, but instead they’re gonna sit back and crack popcorn jokes on Twitter play a blame game and do nothing. 2 Quote
Raptorpat Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: This is the perfect time for Democrats to come up with a plan of policy and strategy to make the GOP look like the useless, trash people that they are, but instead they’re gonna sit back and crack popcorn jokes on Twitter play a blame game and do nothing. They gonna channel their inner Mitch and just do a whole lot of confirming on the other side of the building instead. 3 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted January 4, 2023 Author Posted January 4, 2023 4th vote, 4th failure. Sounds like McCarthy may be trying to work out a deal with Democrats now. Quote
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