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The harsh reality is this stolen land built on the back of minorities who are still damned by it laws that's guilty of some of the most heinous crimes on this planet is still the place where he could even make these posts.  Do this in Russia and he'd be dead.  So, you're welcome nabs....It's actually ok to shit on the place you live without retaliation.....Cis, white male.

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On topic, the US and other countries are helping the Ukraine because everyone understands the concept of "A stronger Russia would be difficult to stop if they wanted...literally any of the other count

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15 hours ago, Seight said:

If the point you're trying to make is "Mistakes have been made as it pertains to our handing of the situation" instead of Nabs' "RAWR MERICA BAD BIDEN BAD OBAMA BAD PUTIN EH"

Grave mistakes are continually being made every day and yet most everyone seems to actively support this big fat mistake of the American empire going to war to combat "Russian imperialism." How's that?

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10 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

Grave mistakes are continually being made every day and yet most everyone seems to actively support this big fat mistake of the American empire going to war to combat "Russian imperialism." How's that?

*points* 

Yeah, like that.

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1 hour ago, Nablonsky said:

Good article about the endless atrocity propaganda coming out of Ukraine and being uncritically repeated in our corporate media with no independent verification of the salacious claims. We have seen this before!

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/western-media-run-blatant-atrocity

 

Easy there, Shrek…. Nobody considers the Daily Mail or Business Insider journalism.

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On 5/23/2022 at 11:16 AM, Poof said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics/biden-taiwan-china-japan-intl-hnk/index.html

holy smokers ladies and gentlemen

Not sure if it's been said or not, but Russia's been flexing it's airforce on american allies every chance it's got.  First they scared Japan with a joint exercise with China while Biden and 2 other world leaders where there for a meet, and since Sweden has shown it's support for Ukraine and Nato they did a lil airforce exercise as close to their airspace as possible as well..

https://news.usni.org/2022/05/25/chinese-russian-bombers-hold-joint-exercises-near-japan-korea

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/26/world/europe/sweden-russia-NATO-Baltic-Sea.html

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The trouble with the seemingly bottomless pleas for more armaments for Ukraine is that with them a viable end to the war falls ever further out of reach. Though many American foreign-policy analysts and pundits believe the only acceptable outcome of the war is full freedom for Ukraine and a total repulsion of Russian forces, this remains highly unlikely and may put the world in further danger.

If the American-backed military gains for Ukraine are fleeting and merely increase the odds of a more ruinous collision between NATO and Russia, should Ukraine keep receiving American missiles? 

The economic shocks of the war cannot be dismissed any longer. Skyrocketing energy prices across the globe are destabilizing for affluent and precarious nations alike. Mass starvation looms — Russia is trapping 20 million tons of grain in Ukraine, which has been one of the world’s great breadbaskets. Ordinarily, Russia and Ukraine account for one-quarter of the grain traded internationally. Even before the war, strains on the global food supply were emerging with the pandemic and ongoing droughts in North America and the Horn of Africa. Wheat prices are now surging.

And there is the faint possibility, always to be taken seriously, of nuclear conflict.

 Russia is an enormous country that is going to play a role in global affairs for the rest of this century, just as it did in the past one. This fact cannot be hand-waved away, nor can the reality that Russia has stockpiled more nuclear weapons than any other nation in the world. Putin’s Russia is more unsettling than the Soviet Union because it is far weaker and dominated by fewer men; it simply has less to lose. As in the defeated Germany after the First World War, grievance culture might take hold, this time in a nation with enough nuclear warheads pointed outward to annihilate every large city on Earth. Russian military doctrine envisions using tactical nuclear weapons defensively to turn the tide in a losing war. The total rout of Russia that Ukraine wishes for could return the U.S. and the rest of the West to the darkest hours of the Cuban missile crisis 60 years ago.

There is no moral or singularly satisfying approach to ending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The severe economic sanctions the West has imposed on Russia have yet to change Putin’s behavior and seem to be incentivizing his turn toward China. A collapsing Russian economy does not mean peace for the rest of the world. For now, it has led to further instability with the dark promise of something worse.

As the journalist Anatol Lieven has argued, it is time for America and Europe to celebrate Ukraine’s resistance and broker a peace agreement that both limits Russia’s ambitions and, crucially, permits Putin to save face. Few Western pundits, for now at least, can concede it is necessary to allow Russia to extract any degree of victory in the wake of Putin’s savagery. But foreign policy conducted among nuclear powers cannot be Manichaean. Ceding the Donbas to Russia is, in reality, a minor concession to Putin — it is partially Russia-controlled already — that would also potentially allow him to exit the war, since all authoritarian rulers are deeply sensitive to the perception at home that their military conquests are unsuccessful. Ukraine, as has been discussed before, can pledge never to join NATO. In turn, Ukraine will maintain its sovereignty, can stop sacrificing its soldiers and civilians, and will be able to further integrate, culturally and economically, into Europe.

The endgame of the war must be a negotiated settlement, and, yes, it will be up to the U.S. to broker one. The sooner the Biden administration and its European allies move to aggressively bring Moscow and Kyiv to the table, in spite of those like the U.K.’s Johnson who would rather scuttle such talks, the sooner the slaughter can end. Diplomacy is not appeasement. It is the only way out.

 

https://jacobin.com/2022/05/peace-talks-diplomacy-negotiations-ukraine-russia-war-biden-johnson/

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Ukrainian leadership, emboldened by the unexpectedly effective resistance it has shown on the battlefield, is abjuring any resumption of talks until Moscow hands back the territory it has occupied since the invasion started, saying that “any concession to Russia is not a path to peace.” Russian leadership, for its part, has given no indication it is ready to accept the tacit acknowledgment of defeat implied by serious peace negotiations at a time when its battlefield gains remain so disappointing.

 

In the midst of all this, one factor has gone little remarked upon: the role of the West, and the US government in particular. Knowledgeable observers of the diplomatic scene say that there has been little appetite or effort from Washington to prepare for a diplomatic resolution of the conflict, even as it has become more and more deeply embroiled in what both Russian and American voices are increasingly calling a proxy war between the two nuclear superpowers. While there have been no shortage of voices calling for an escalation of US military support for Ukraine, those calling for the United States to take an active diplomatic role to bring the Russian invasion to an end have been few and far between. Yet the war has already become costly for Ukraine. Its indefinite continuation would be a disaster for that country, and potentially for the world.

 

Some good stuff here. 

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Everybody always has very good reasons for why the USA constantly needs to conduct new regime change wars continents away and reduce entire countries to lawless semi-permanent war zones.

Only America is ever allowed to use its military to attack other countries, Russia doing so is absolutely intolerable, and it would be better for Ukraine to be completely destroyed than to cede one inch to Putin, according to you people. 

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54 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

Everybody always has very good reasons for why the USA constantly needs to conduct new regime change wars continents away and reduce entire countries to lawless semi-permanent war zones.

Name the people here who aren't conservative shithead who feel that way nabs.

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Russia is going to use the same strategy it used in Chechnya. Too bad for Ukraine that Western Europe and former Vice-President Biden have a poor attention span, so Ukraine might do well to sue for peace now and cede the territory Russia holds.

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

Russia is going to use the same strategy it used in Chechnya. Too bad for Ukraine that Western Europe and former Vice-President Biden have a poor attention span, so Ukraine might do well to sue for peace now and cede the territory Russia holds.

 

 

 

Who whispered that into your ear?

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8 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

I wish Cancer good luck in its war against Putin

 

 

And thats about the only time you will ever hear me wishing cancer anything other than a horrible death. Fuck Cancer.  Except in this one case.

I'm skeptical of the whole 3 months thing but imagine if cancer stopped a war.

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