Putin: "Stick to the timeline!"

[tsar4]

Bringing new meaning to "Assisted Suicide"...

[tsar4]

So apparently, what is in question is "did Russia ever actually APPLY to be a member of the UN"?  The belief is that the answer is no, they just assumed the seat of the disbanded USSR and nobody questioned it at the time.

[Top Gun]

Simpsons did it!

 

[matrixman124]

4 hours ago, tsar4 said:

Bringing new meaning to "Assisted Suicide"...

[Seight]

10 hours ago, tsar4 said:

Bringing new meaning to "Assisted Suicide"...

 

[tsar4]

So the Ruskies on the Nuclear Power Plant site are trying to tell the inspectors (actual physicists) how rockets can do U-turns and only APPEAR like they're coming from Russia's side.

And if they believe that one, they're also willing to sell them the Zhivopisniy Bridge at an excellent price.

[Distortedreasoning]

On 8/31/2022 at 4:27 PM, Raptorpat said:

Are you talking about the pre-invasion war? Or something else?

between post US coupe in 2014- before 2022 russia operation. 

[Distortedreasoning]

On 8/31/2022 at 4:47 PM, scoobdog said:

Hmmm...

 

Oh, so this is about the separatist fighting in the Donbas?  There were 14,000 deaths in that conflict?

they were ukranian citizens killed by neo nazis. keep defending nazis. 

[Distortedreasoning]

On 8/31/2022 at 5:08 PM, Raptorpat said:

says 14,000 right there in the overall? 

[scoobdog]

2 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

they were ukranian citizens killed by neo nazis. keep defending nazis. 

TIf you look at Pat's graphic, it makes no such distinction between the Azov Batallion and the regular Ukrainian Army which was also operating in the region.  So, clearly, it was not just the Azov Battalion that killed 14,000 people.  In fact, it likely killed a fraction of that, though I do not believe any reliable data exists on that.  Keep defending a murderous despot who is throwing his own hapless citizens into a meaningless war.

[Distortedreasoning]

25 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

TIf you look at Pat's graphic, it makes no such distinction between the Azov Batallion and the regular Ukrainian Army which was also operating in the region.  So, clearly, it was not just the Azov Battalion that killed 14,000 people.  In fact, it likely killed a fraction of that, though I do not believe any reliable data exists on that.  Keep defending a murderous despot who is throwing his own hapless citizens into a meaningless war.

azov is just one of the many neo nazis battalions in ukraine. why cant anyone here admit there is a neo nazi problem in ukraine? it doesn't fit liberal agenda. it was getting so bad that even mainstream publications had no choice but to acknowledge a problem there. even recently zelynsky has had to fire some high level staff for corruption. 

 

the numbers are shaky for a reason, just like the numbers for the casualties amount on both sides, tho the numbers on the ukrainians side is unknown but estimated higher than the russian side. 

 

this is a meaningless war but thats because the ukrainian government acted against the interests of its own people. 

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Distortedreasoning said:

azov is just one of the many neo nazis battalions in ukraine. why cant anyone here admit there is a neo nazi problem in ukraine? it doesn't fit liberal agenda. it was getting so bad that even mainstream publications had no choice but to acknowledge a problem there. even recently zelynsky has had to fire some high level staff for corruption. 

 

the numbers are shaky for a reason, just like the numbers for the casualties amount on both sides, tho the numbers on the ukrainians side is unknown but estimated higher than the russian side. 

 

this is a meaningless war but thats because the ukrainian government acted against the interests of its own people. 

This post requires a source that isn’t Russian.  

[scoobdog]

Also, I find it awfully convenient @Distortedreasoning can seemingly reference a white supremacy problem while ignoring the fact that the country’s president is Jewish.

It’s an absurd and trite thing to reference, because it refutes an absurd and trite assertion.  Obviously, anti-semitism can exist in a country being attacked by a land hungry neighbor.  The fact Putin would use it as an excuse highlights the disingenuous nature of his operation:  despots have long used cultural divisions to destabilize localities in advance of and during invasions.

[Seight]

7 hours ago, tsar4 said:

So the Ruskies on the Nuclear Power Plant site are trying to tell the inspectors (actual physicists) how rockets can do U-turns and only APPEAR like they're coming from Russia's side.

And if they believe that one, they're also willing to sell them the Zhivopisniy Bridge at an excellent price.

...well, yeah but

[cyberbully]

10 hours ago, scoobdog said:

This post requires a source that isn’t Russian.  

A source at all..

[discolé monade]

in other putin news: putin denies gorbachev a rightfully earned, state funeral, and won't go to any ceremony.

[tsar4]

10 hours ago, discolé monade said:

in other putin news: putin denies gorbachev a rightfully earned, state funeral, and won't go to any ceremony.

"Five years after taking power in 2000, Putin called the breakup of the Soviet Union "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century"."

I find it hard to disagree.  I mean, look who it brought into power in Russia.

[tsar4]

 

[SwimModSponges]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-calls-putin-smart-praises-xi-ruling-china-iron-fist-2022-9

[discolé monade]

16 hours ago, tsar4 said:

"Five years after taking power in 2000, Putin called the breakup of the Soviet Union "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century"."

I find it hard to disagree.  I mean, look who it brought into power in Russia.

gorbachev referred to the the chernobyl incident as the 'true' reason for the fall of the soviet union. 

[Jman]

11 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

gorbachev referred to the the chernobyl incident as the 'true' reason for the fall of the soviet union. 

I remember it being a big deal when he watched the miniseries and gave it a mostly positive review.  It helps Gorby was one of the few Soviet officials not to come off as a sycophant or a blithering idiot.

[discolé monade]

oops

Edited September 4, 2022 by discolé monade

[tsar4]

2 hours ago, discolé monade said:

gorbachev referred to the the chernobyl incident as the 'true' reason for the fall of the soviet union. 

Chornobyl (Ukrainian spelling)

One could make a case for the shooting down of KAL-007 too.

Edited September 4, 2022 by tsar4

[tsar4]

Good kitty...

Edited September 4, 2022 by tsar4

[tsar4]

[Ginguy]

So, Russia has stopped all Nordstream 1 gas shipments to Europe until sanctions are lifted.

Fortunately China is willing to sell Europe their excess.

 

 

[Seight]

5 hours ago, Ginguy said:

So, Russia has stopped all Nordstream 1 gas shipments to Europe until sanctions are lifted.

Fortunately China is willing to sell Europe their excess.

 

 

To be fair, when they said last week "oh yeah we got UHHHH unscheduled maintenance to do on the pipe" everyone should've been like "I don't believe you but okay."

[tsar4]

53 minutes ago, Seight said:

To be fair, when they said last week "oh yeah we got UHHHH unscheduled maintenance to do on the pipe" everyone should've been like "I don't believe you but okay."

EU to Russia:  Go ahead and sniff your gas all by yourself.

[Raptorpat]

They're just burning off all the gas right at the plant, right across the border from Finland.

Idk is that like a triple spite? Spite the EU, spite Finland, spite the habitability of the biosphere.

[NewBluntsworth]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/roger-waters-encourages-ukraine-surrender-155406670.html

We need to send as many truth bombs like this to Ukraine as fast as humanly possible. America's war against Russia in Ukraine can't keep going on like this. They want it to go on for years, until there's nothing left. 

[scoobdog]

11 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/roger-waters-encourages-ukraine-surrender-155406670.html

We need to send as many truth bombs like this to Ukraine as fast as humanly possible. America's war against Russia in Ukraine can't keep going on like this. They want it to go on for years, until there's nothing left. 

Shut the fuck up.

[Master-Debater131]

Something tells me that if we traveled back in time to the 30s and 40s he would advocate for Poland to just give up parts of its Western country to appease Hitler.

Because thats basically the exact scenario thats playing out right now. "Give up huge chunks of your country to appease a dictator! Trust us! He will stop with just those small gains!"

[NewBluntsworth]

Just now, Master-Debater131 said:

Something tells me that if we traveled back in time to the 30s and 40s he would advocate for Poland to just give up parts of its Western country to appease Hitler.

Because thats basically the exact scenario thats playing out right now

No it isnt

[mthor]

3 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Something tells me that if we traveled back in time to the 30s and 40s he would advocate for Poland to just give up parts of its Western country to appease Hitler.

Because thats basically the exact scenario thats playing out right now. "Give up huge chunks of your country to appease a dictator! Trust us! He will stop with just those small gains!"

"I believe it is peace for our time..." (Neville Chamberlain)

[Master-Debater131]

3 minutes ago, mthor said:

"I believe it is peace for our time..." (Neville Chamberlain)

Its scary just how accurate this is.

[Distortedreasoning]

On 9/2/2022 at 5:58 PM, scoobdog said:

This post requires a source that isn’t Russian.  

plenty of msm sources out there. many publications were raising the flag on ukraine violence post 2014 coupe. i think there were even some as late as february of this year. 

[Distortedreasoning]

On 9/2/2022 at 6:19 PM, scoobdog said:

Also, I find it awfully convenient @Distortedreasoning can seemingly reference a white supremacy problem while ignoring the fact that the country’s president is Jewish.

It’s an absurd and trite thing to reference, because it refutes an absurd and trite assertion.  Obviously, anti-semitism can exist in a country being attacked by a land hungry neighbor.  The fact Putin would use it as an excuse highlights the disingenuous nature of his operation:  despots have long used cultural divisions to destabilize localities in advance of and during invasions.

just cuz he's jewish doesn't mean he didn't sell out. weakest argument to make, you can find corrupted politicians in any political system anywhere. 

 

[Distortedreasoning]

not surprised people here haven't posted any of the mass protesting that have happened recently. it is only getting started.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/04/world/europe/other-european-nations-try-to-fight-rising-prices-as-fears-of-social-unrest-grow.html

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tens-thousands-protest-prague-against-czech-government-eu-nato-2022-09-03/

[Distortedreasoning]

On 9/5/2022 at 11:05 AM, Ginguy said:

So, Russia has stopped all Nordstream 1 gas shipments to Europe until sanctions are lifted.

Fortunately China is willing to sell Europe their excess.

 

 

excess they bought from russia 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

thank you nato for making russia and china stronger, even if it wasnt the intent. 

[Ginguy]

Sure would be nice if there was a country that could easily produce and ship LNG to the EU to help ease these energy issues.

 

[scoobdog]

58 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

just cuz he's jewish doesn't mean he didn't sell out. weakest argument to make, you can find corrupted politicians in any political system anywhere. 

 

You're calling him a collaborator.  That's an extremely fraught, if not outright offensive, claim.

[NewBluntsworth]

34 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

Sure would be nice if there was a country that could easily produce and ship LNG to the EU to help ease these energy issues.

 

The sheer amount of energy and waste required to load LNG onto cargo ships and move them across continents... You're so clownish for even suggesting this as an alternative

[Distortedreasoning]

48 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

You're calling him a collaborator.  That's an extremely fraught, if not outright offensive, claim.

since when are facts offensive?

what you think happened to the neo nazis we supported and helped propped up in 2014? they went home and gave up power? they all the sudden voted for a jewish president, and poof neo nazis gone? they lost in crimea in 2014, but they still there and in power. thats how coupes work. 

 

we supported moderate extremist groups to fight in syria, we supported dictatorships in suadi arabia, supported israel genocide of palestine, and so on. its very on par for the course of this country if you ask me.

[Distortedreasoning]

56 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

The sheer amount of energy and waste required to load LNG onto cargo ships and move them across continents... You're so clownish for even suggesting this as an alternative

not to mention they dont have the lng capacity to convert to energy. it will take them something like 2-3 years to get those going.

tho i have been reading that germany is opening coal plants but they still short on capacity.

 

how long you think before the public rises up? 

the politicians have ramping up their police forces to respond to future protest. 

 

[Sieg67]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/st-petersburg-officials-demand-vladimir-putin-be-tried-for-treason-in-letter

I was wondering if Russia would be the thing to bring down Putin.  Now the question is, can they actually do anything about him?
Also, how long before these officials start accidentally falling out windows?

Edited September 8, 2022 by Sieg67

[Master-Debater131]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-7

 

Well this is fun. Its a dense read but there is a section in there about how Russian propagandists and milibloggers are losing their minds at how successful Ukraine has been at their counter offensive. They arent able to keep the propaganda up simply because the Ukrainians are overrunning positions so fast.

[scoobdog]

10 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

since when are facts offensive?

what you think happened to the neo nazis we supported and helped propped up in 2014? they went home and gave up power? they all the sudden voted for a jewish president, and poof neo nazis gone? they lost in crimea in 2014, but they still there and in power. thats how coupes work. 

 

we supported moderate extremist groups to fight in syria, we supported dictatorships in suadi arabia, supported israel genocide of palestine, and so on. its very on par for the course of this country if you ask me.

I’m not entertaining this bullshit.  There is no evidence Zelensky actively supported the Azov Batallion in any way.  It’s far more likely the Ukrainian military was forced to integrate them simply because having them as a second front in the fight against the Russians.  You suggesting that Zelensky stood by as neo nazis murdered Russians is stupid.

[Sieg67]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

I’m not entertaining this bullshit.  There is no evidence Zelensky actively supported the Azov Batallion in any way.  It’s far more likely the Ukrainian military was forced to integrate them simply because having them as a second front in the fight against the Russians.  You suggesting that Zelensky stood by as neo nazis murdered Russians is stupid.

Zelensky took office in 2019 so I'm not sure what this stuff in 2014 would have to do with him.
He wasn't even a politician prior to that.
 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Sieg67

[stilgar]

21 minutes ago, Sieg67 said:

Zelensky took office in 2019 so I'm not sure what this stuff in 2014 would have to do with him.
He wasn't even a politician prior to that.
 

Shhhhhhhh, that doesn't matter to him.

[Raptorpat]

So as Russia redeployed some troops from the northern front to bolster their defenses in the Kherson region, Ukraine has gone on a massive counteroffensive in the north that has gone completely unresponded to over the past few days.

Haven't seen any official maps, but here's a sample: