2022 Midterms: Oh god, not again

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

15 hours ago, DBAss said:

That post is incredibly biased and opinionated.

Oh wow, an incredibly biased and opinionated post on a cartoon message board offshoot. Please, tell us more.

[Nablonsky]

Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Oh wow, an incredibly biased and opinionated post on a cartoon message board offshoot. Please, tell us more.

A human being not only having biases and opinions, but sharing them in communication with other humans?!? Where are the real mods to address this biased opinionated travesty of an internet post !!!

[Master-Debater131]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-bipartisan-group-eyes-deal-week-bill-prevent-future-coups-rcna32667

Bipartisan Senate group eyes deal 'this week' on bill to prevent future coups

 

This was always the more important bill and action after the January 6th BS.  Take away the ability to throw out the actual election results and that ends the chance of another Jan 6th attempt. This whole "alternate electors" bullshit needs to end as well.  The people vote, you count the votes, thats how it goes. No adjusting, no finding, no alternate electors.

[scoobdog]

I like what Bernie has to say.

[Master-Debater131]

The January 6th committee gets stared with public hearings tonight.

Is anyone going to watch it?  Legitimate question, not fishing here.

I dont know what sort of interest there is.  Feels like we all sorta know what they will say and everyones opinions are already baked in at this point. I dont think theres going to be anything new or a bombshell. January 6th was an insurrection, and Trump made sure to stoke the flames.

[naraku360]

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-08/supreme-court-shields-border-agents-from-suits-for-excessive-force-or-unreasonable-searches

Conservatives: THE RADICAL LEFT IS TRYING TO DESTROY OUR FREEDOMS!!!!

Conservative Supreme Court: [casually makes excessive force and unreasonable search an seizure from Federal agents effectively legal]

Edited June 9, 2022 by naraku360

[rpgamer]

Am I suffering brain damage, or did MD switch from "fuck the police" to kissing their ass in the span of a couple weeks?

[stilgar]

33 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Am I suffering brain damage, or did MD switch from "fuck the police" to kissing their ass in the span of a couple weeks?

No, MD is a conservative. Flip flopping is what they do.

[Master-Debater131]

 

 

For everything else going on, this is still going to be the #1 issue for voters this fall. Inflation is continuing, and its picking up speed.

[Ginguy]

Inflation 8.6%

Labor participation rate 62.3%

Gas avg $4.98

No baby formula

No pet food

Empty store shelves

Rampant violent crime

Rampant property crime

Uncontrolled borders

 

 

But no mean tweets.

 

 

[Nablonsky]

It's true, regardless whatever cope anyone wants to hide behind about how of course the Republicans wouldn't do anything any better --

Things are bad and getting worse for people and the Dems haven't given anyone a reason to leave the house and vote for them. They really haven't done anything they campaigned on, and they've done the complete opposite of many things that were promised, and all they can offer up now is fake tears and excuses, in between talking about how important bipartisanship with Republicans is and why we need the filibuster forever and how much respect we all should have for broken and undemocratic institutions like the Senate and the *EXACTLY 9-JUSTICE SUPREME COURT, NEVER ANY MORE THAN THAT, QUIT ASKING*

BTFO.

Edited June 10, 2022 by Nablonsky

[PenguinBoss]

I hear that once again the largest migrant caravan ever is on the way to the border.

Funny how they always seem to coincide with an election year.

[naraku360]

6 hours ago, Ginguy said:

Inflation 8.6%

Labor participation rate 62.3%

Gas avg $4.98

No baby formula

No pet food

Empty store shelves

Rampant violent crime

Rampant property crime

Uncontrolled borders

 

 

But no mean tweets.

 

 

I love how the president doesn't impact these things until your party loses.

[rpgamer]

Spoiler

So, tell us again why gas prices are all Biden's fault?

[Sieg67]

*Republicans vote no on anti-gouging bill.*
"DAMN DEMOCRATS!!"

Addressing the statement about Democrats not giving reasons to vote for them, realistically only two parties have a chance of winning.
It makes the most sense to vote for the lesser evil.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Sieg67

[André Toulon]

36 minutes ago, Sieg67 said:

*Republicans vote no on anti-gouging bill.*
"DAMN DEMOCRATS!!"

Addressing the statement about Democrats not giving reasons to vote for them, realistically only two parties have a chance of winning.
It makes the most sense to vote for the lesser evil.

In order for any third party to gain traction there has to be a complete shift in the thinking of the American people, and that party would need to establish groundwork in many lesser elections all while actually doing what they promise once elected....blah blah, campaign funds, blah blah elderly voters don't know they exist, blah blah butt sex.

Voting 3rd party to own everyone is just dumb. 

But the line between those 2 evils is quite blurry right now and quite honestly, no other party has a chance when they will clearly join dubious forces if it ever remotely looked like they'd both lose the white house.

[Nablonsky]

31 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

In order for any third party to gain traction there has to be a complete shift in the thinking of the American people, and that party would need to establish groundwork in many lesser elections all while actually doing what they promise once elected....blah blah, campaign funds, blah blah elderly voters don't know they exist, blah blah butt sex.

Voting 3rd party to own everyone is just dumb. 

But the line between those 2 evils is quite blurry right now and quite honestly, no other party has a chance when they will clearly join dubious forces if it ever remotely looked like they'd both lose the white house.

Consider this - maybe a 3rd party will never win, but historically, it takes a left wing party getting a significant number of votes (enough to sway elections) over multiple elections in order to make the Democratic party act significantly less evil than what we have had for the last several decades. 

The Dems have always been trash unless there was a strong socialist third party presence, like what we had in this country 100 years ago, which led to the Dems significantly improving and giving people things and reasons to vote for them, which led to decades of Democratic political dominance in this country. 

If you want the Dems to do better, if you want the Dems to win and not immediately lose to the GOP the very next election as a result of their naked evil and disregard for the people who vote for them like what happens now, then you will consider costing the Dems elections -- not by staying home and abstaining from voting, and obviously not by voting for the Republicans, but by voting for a party to the left of the Democrats. 

"A third party will never win" =/= "there is never any reason to vote for a third party."

Personally, I don't think the Dems will change at this point. I believe that we need a third party to ultimately subsume and replace the Democratic party, but if you don't believe that -- if you do in fact believe the Dem party can be reformed, if you believe that control of this current incarnation of this party that has been totally captured by capital and imperial interests can in fact be wrested away from those forces and made to serve the people in a way that it absolutely has no interest in doing currently, then it seems that your prescription for how to do that would be the same as what I am suggesting -- vote left.

Vote third party, vote Green, vote CPUSA, vote PSL, vote for whichever left wing candidate makes it onto the ballot where you are (NOT Libertarian!), and put a scare in them. Stand up and be counted among those who vote to the left of the Democratic party. 

If the DNC calls your bluff and refuses to get any less evil, if they really are content to lose election after election and remain right wing evil empire demons rather than change to become a not actively evil political force the way we can all agree they are right now, then keep voting for that third party and let's replace them altogether. 

Either way, the answer right now seems to be - stop voting for them! 

"Dems are lesser evil than Republicans by a few metrics and otherwise are mostly indistinguishable, getting worse and more right wing with every election cycle..... Hmm, but the Republicans keep getting worse too..... Guess that means I just have to keep voting for increasingly degraded versions of this Democratic party forever....Oh, well"

No. 

No. 

No. 

Are you going to make me post the thing? I'm going to post the thing, because we're seeing this in action every day with all the policies and appointments of the Trump era that have remained in place since 2020.

I'm sorry, but if we're going to change politics in this country it's not going to be by voting for the Bernie's who run as Dems and get squashed by this party which is actively hostile to Bernie's platform.

It's only by listening to what presidential candidate Bernie actually said -- millions of us need to rise up (not stay home) and demand a political revolution in this country (voting for a party far to the left of what the Democrats are currently offering, their transparent campaign lied notwithstanding)

Otherwise, nothing will change. 

It's increasingly clownish to tell people to vote Dem when their window is rapidly closing. This is a party that very well may never control the Senate again after this decade. This is a party that has allowed Republicans to gerrymander themselves permanent victories in many places while getting fewer votes than the Democrats.

It is simply time to do something else right now. 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Sieg67]

"But the line between those 2 evils is quite blurry right now "

The plotting of Jan 6 and the support of Trumps efforts to pull off a coup alone leads me to disagree with this.  Granted, there were quite a few Republicans who condemned Trump immediately after the event but many have since pulled a 180.
When Trump was impeached twice, which party decided not to do anything?  They put the country in danger of another Trump presidency.

Then there's the dangerous lies perpetuated by Republicans on news networks and social media which polarizes the nation. 
I don't see Democrats doing this.

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Sieg67

[Nablonsky]

1 minute ago, Sieg67 said:

When Trump was impeached twice, which party decided not to do anything?  They put the country in danger of another Trump presidency.

The Democrats have done less than nothing to stop Trump from becoming president again.

Hell they still haven't even bothered to change many Trump-era policies and appointments such as Postmaster General DeJoy who tried to use his position to help Trump overturn the election.

Everyone was calling me impatient for asking why he was still in power A FULL YEAR AGO and here we are, with the USPS still withering away under Trump's boy.

Dems don't care, why should we? 

[scoobdog]

How does one do less than nothing?

[Nablonsky]

Just now, scoobdog said:

How does one do less than nothing?

By actively helping to contribute to the conditions that make it increasingly like he will become president again, just like Obama and party leadership and the Hillary campaign did the first time they got that clown got elected. 

This is exactly how the Dems would govern and behave if they were completely controlled by the Trump campaign, they really couldn't play it any better for his re-election chances than exactly what they have been doing for the last 18 months. 

[Nablonsky]

4 hours ago, André Toulon said:

In order for any third party to gain traction there has to be a complete shift in the thinking of the American people

I'm sorry I developmental disorder'd out and regurgitated another all too familiar rambling rehashed post when I first read this. This is interesting and obviously correct, but it is also a very big mass metaphysical event that is difficulty to understand and describe. What sorts of things do you think about on this topic? What is the shift in people's minds that needs to happen?

And then I start thinking about what sorts of things can help bring that about and what are the most visible and widely psychically damaging people and forces and collectives that work against these changes in thinking

Edited June 12, 2022 by Nablonsky

[naraku360]

5 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

Consider this - maybe a 3rd party will never win, but historically, it takes a left wing party getting a significant number of votes (enough to sway elections) over multiple elections in order to make the Democratic party act significantly less evil than what we have had for the last several decades. 

The Dems have always been trash unless there was a strong socialist third party presence, like what we had in this country 100 years ago, which led to the Dems significantly improving and giving people things and reasons to vote for them, which led to decades of Democratic political dominance in this country. 

If you want the Dems to do better, if you want the Dems to win and not immediately lose to the GOP the very next election as a result of their naked evil and disregard for the people who vote for them like what happens now, then you will consider costing the Dems elections -- not by staying home and abstaining from voting, and obviously not by voting for the Republicans, but by voting for a party to the left of the Democrats. 

"A third party will never win" =/= "there is never any reason to vote for a third party."

Personally, I don't think the Dems will change at this point. I believe that we need a third party to ultimately subsume and replace the Democratic party, but if you don't believe that -- if you do in fact believe the Dem party can be reformed, if you believe that control of this current incarnation of this party that has been totally captured by capital and imperial interests can in fact be wrested away from those forces and made to serve the people in a way that it absolutely has no interest in doing currently, then it seems that your prescription for how to do that would be the same as what I am suggesting -- vote left.

Vote third party, vote Green, vote CPUSA, vote PSL, vote for whichever left wing candidate makes it onto the ballot where you are (NOT Libertarian!), and put a scare in them. Stand up and be counted among those who vote to the left of the Democratic party. 

If the DNC calls your bluff and refuses to get any less evil, if they really are content to lose election after election and remain right wing evil empire demons rather than change to become a not actively evil political force the way we can all agree they are right now, then keep voting for that third party and let's replace them altogether. 

Either way, the answer right now seems to be - stop voting for them! 

"Dems are lesser evil than Republicans by a few metrics and otherwise are mostly indistinguishable, getting worse and more right wing with every election cycle..... Hmm, but the Republicans keep getting worse too..... Guess that means I just have to keep voting for increasingly degraded versions of this Democratic party forever....Oh, well"

No. 

No. 

No. 

Are you going to make me post the thing? I'm going to post the thing, because we're seeing this in action every day with all the policies and appointments of the Trump era that have remained in place since 2020.

I'm sorry, but if we're going to change politics in this country it's not going to be by voting for the Bernie's who run as Dems and get squashed by this party which is actively hostile to Bernie's platform.

It's only by listening to what presidential candidate Bernie actually said -- millions of us need to rise up (not stay home) and demand a political revolution in this country (voting for a party far to the left of what the Democrats are currently offering, their transparent campaign lied notwithstanding)

Otherwise, nothing will change. 

It's increasingly clownish to tell people to vote Dem when their window is rapidly closing. This is a party that very well may never control the Senate again after this decade. This is a party that has allowed Republicans to gerrymander themselves permanent victories in many places while getting fewer votes than the Democrats.

It is simply time to do something else right now. 

The thing is that we're all stuck in a shit place with our government. Of course, I want a third party that's more left than the Democratic Party, but it needs the groundwork to be viable.

The undemocratic shenanigans of Dems crushing progressives is by no means a good situation. However, we are seeing upticks in progressive primary wins across the country, despite the efforts to stomp them out. That's not something I've seen from a third party this lifetime.

Where people are defensive toward Democrats isn't a matter of supporting them so much as we don't have another option. There is SOME groundwork on Democrats, per the aforementioned primary successes, and that's only in its infancy. Third parties simply haven't gotten that far.

What's concerning to the point that I feel morally inclined to cape for them is that if Republicans get control again, they'll continue a decades long fight to strip any freedoms we have with increasing extremism. Not just the politicians making shitty policies or being mindbogglingly unwilling to block the bills, but legit death cult fascism. We had a coup attempt. It failed, it was led by one of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever had the displeasure of looking at, and he radicalized people.

Nobody is enthused about relying on a pathetic farce of a political party. I just don't feel like I have an option. Republicans are beyond dangerous. They're openly authoritarian and are becoming more deranged by the week. 44% of these shitbrained monsters think we should simply accept that school shootings are a normal thing, as opposed to the general base of Democrats and Independents who polled 70%+ each that we could prevent them if politicians did something.

I expect both Ds and Rs to bomb babies in the middle east 'cause scary foreigners. I don't expect Ds to propose effectively legal pedophilia 'cause "mental maturity" makes child marriage acceptable or something, but with Rs we not only expect it, we literally had an attempt at just that not long ago.

Democrats are not popular for goid reason. They are not the ones forcing teachers to out gay kids or be unable to express an opinion like "the holocaust was bad" around students, whilst cramming pro-slavery PragerU into kindergarten. 

I'm afraid Democrats will continue to sellout on climate change or brown-nose Republicans out of a desperate need to get stepped on. I'm afraid Republicans will become so brainwashed that the majority of the people I care about simply won't be safe, a lot of them already aren't. Biden didn't do that, no matter how much of a sack of shit he may be.

 

To be clear, I'm not really trying to argue with you. Broadly speaking, we probably agree on most things.

Edited June 12, 2022 by naraku360

[stilgar]

It is too bad he won't read any of that.

[scoobdog]

Most of us probably agree with Nabs, even the part about how ineffectual and disappointing centrists are.

[cyberbully]

3 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

I'm sorry I developmental disorder'd out

WASDH

[cyberbully]

10 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

 

And then I start thinking about what sorts of things can help bring that about and what are the most visible and widely psychically damaging people and forces and collectives that work against these changes in thinking

Well since nothing has moved since last night, I'lll answer this in hopes the investment pays off later.

Imho, the first thing that has to be done away with is church and state/gov. ?( mainly, Christianity's stolen, toxic ass) I know people says this separation exists but by what metric. Folks here and on other sites have said "they are going to allow prayer back on school".....im from the south and wonder when was it NOT allowed in school....literally prayer over the intercom, every band or sports event, choir trips, pretty sure at pep rallies.  

Hell, the pledge of allegiance is the most indoctrinating shit on this planet and we essentially force kids to learn and recite it on command....like, what does that reek of....but I digress.  That shit has to go first and foremost and the american people need to stop referring to the bible for help....that shit no longer applies and blindly going along with it because you fear living after you die with no AC is asinine.

Second, and this will be unpopular, but stricter voting laws....your racist, deathbed grandpa from 1922 doesn't get a vote, hes not going to be here to see how royally he fucked up. Yes, slippery slope because we basically say there is a point when someone is unfit to vote and that will trickle down onto minorities somehow, guaranteed....I havent fully grown this fruit yet but thats the outline...

Now here's the toughie. I'm not sure how many wealthy, whi.....you know what, not even gonna go there....not sure how many wealthy people who spend time being woke on social media honestly gives a fuck about any of us down in the trenches....we need better leadership from those of us with the ability to bring people together and then establish common goals. I mean politicians are labled corrupt by default so its hard to get someone like, say, yourself to believe some random dude on a blue or red ticket has your interest at heart, but in comes (example, not making an accusation) Draymon Green backing the blue guy and suddenly he helps drive the vote of NBA fans.  

A third party would need some celeb/media backing because just being woke on twitter while shilling red isnt a good look...they need a familiar face....a real one. One that shows up and shows out. I know there are a few, but no where near enough to move the glued to the couch crowd.

And lastly, and probably impossible, we have to convice the masses that its us against them....not us against us.  Heres the problem, because your average American needs a boogie man, and the best boogie man is the ones you see daily. Mexicans pointing at blacks, pointung at whites, pointing at gays, pointing at feminists, pointing at men etc. I dont know how to fix US. They have done an excellent job of making us hate each otger so much that we hate to see anyone other than our personal disheveled groups win.

But recruiting the 15 people here by being the shittiest mosquito isn't gonna get us there....all it'll afford us is another person to be sick and tired of, so while I realize I havent designated a starting point, I think the only way to get the American people to see themselves as one and rise up against the government is literally we have to wait for a few more generations to die out.....possibly as far down a genZ because while they are inclusive be default....I dont think any of them will be able to cook fir themselves.

Open to suggestions tho, whatcha got

 

Edited June 12, 2022 by cyberbully

[Master-Debater131]

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ppi.nr0.htm

 

PPI is accelerating showing that inflation is nowhere near peaked and is only picking up steam.

 

Inflation, and the economy, are the #1 issue this fall.  Nothing else will come close to being as important as the economy.

[André Toulon]

2 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ppi.nr0.htm

 

PPI is accelerating showing that inflation is nowhere near peaked and is only picking up steam.

 

Inflation, and the economy, are the #1 issue this fall.  Nothing else will come close to being as important as the economy

 This is being called inflation when it's just greed and corporations trying to drive the dollar they way they want to. 

But you're right, there are an unreal number of morons who think changing leadership between the heads and tails of our political coin is the solution.

 

[Sawdamizer]

On 6/12/2022 at 7:23 AM, cyberbully said:

Well since nothing has moved since last night, I'lll answer this in hopes the investment pays off later.

Imho, the first thing that has to be done away with is church and state/gov. ?( mainly, Christianity's stolen, toxic ass) I know people says this separation exists but by what metric. Folks here and on other sites have said "they are going to allow prayer back on school".....im from the south and wonder when was it NOT allowed in school....literally prayer over the intercom, every band or sports event, choir trips, pretty sure at pep rallies.  

Hell, the pledge of allegiance is the most indoctrinating shit on this planet and we essentially force kids to learn and recite it on command....like, what does that reek of....but I digress.  That shit has to go first and foremost and the american people need to stop referring to the bible for help....that shit no longer applies and blindly going along with it because you fear living after you die with no AC is asinine.

Second, and this will be unpopular, but stricter voting laws....your racist, deathbed grandpa from 1922 doesn't get a vote, hes not going to be here to see how royally he fucked up. Yes, slippery slope because we basically say there is a point when someone is unfit to vote and that will trickle down onto minorities somehow, guaranteed....I havent fully grown this fruit yet but thats the outline...

Now here's the toughie. I'm not sure how many wealthy, whi.....you know what, not even gonna go there....not sure how many wealthy people who spend time being woke on social media honestly gives a fuck about any of us down in the trenches....we need better leadership from those of us with the ability to bring people together and then establish common goals. I mean politicians are labled corrupt by default so its hard to get someone like, say, yourself to believe some random dude on a blue or red ticket has your interest at heart, but in comes (example, not making an accusation) Draymon Green backing the blue guy and suddenly he helps drive the vote of NBA fans.  

A third party would need some celeb/media backing because just being woke on twitter while shilling red isnt a good look...they need a familiar face....a real one. One that shows up and shows out. I know there are a few, but no where near enough to move the glued to the couch crowd.

And lastly, and probably impossible, we have to convice the masses that its us against them....not us against us.  Heres the problem, because your average American needs a boogie man, and the best boogie man is the ones you see daily. Mexicans pointing at blacks, pointung at whites, pointing at gays, pointing at feminists, pointing at men etc. I dont know how to fix US. They have done an excellent job of making us hate each otger so much that we hate to see anyone other than our personal disheveled groups win.

But recruiting the 15 people here by being the shittiest mosquito isn't gonna get us there....all it'll afford us is another person to be sick and tired of, so while I realize I havent designated a starting point, I think the only way to get the American people to see themselves as one and rise up against the government is literally we have to wait for a few more generations to die out.....possibly as far down a genZ because while they are inclusive be default....I dont think any of them will be able to cook fir themselves.

Open to suggestions tho, whatcha got

 

So let me get this straight -

you fucking laid it all out for that fucking piece of shit and he can’t even respond?

 

[stilgar]

1 hour ago, Sawdamizer said:

So let me get this straight -

you fucking laid it all out for that fucking piece of shit and he can’t even respond?

 

Of course he can't. 

[André Toulon]

2 hours ago, Sawdamizer said:

So let me get this straight -

you fucking laid it all out for that fucking piece of shit and he can’t even respond?

 

Oh, I wasn't going to make a big deal outta it....I was going to wait until he tried another one of his bullshit ass traps on other users where he tags pat's ass like he's been playing fair and remind him that he's just a BFCT.

Edited June 14, 2022 by André Toulon

[scoobdog]

17 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

Oh, I wasn't going to make a big deal gotta it....I was going to wait until he tried another one of his bullshit ass traps on other users where he tags pat's ass like he's been playing fair and remind him that he's just a BFCT.

Horsehoe effect is real.... he's so far left, he's using Jingai's playbook.

[stilgar]

6 hours ago, scoobdog said:

Horsehoe effect is real.... he's so far left, he's using Jingai's playbook.

I have doubts nabs is even a leftist. 

[scoobdog]

2 minutes ago, stilgar said:

I have doubts nabs is even a leftist. 

He sure doesn't act like one.

[Seight]

8 hours ago, Sawdamizer said:

So let me get this straight -

you fucking laid it all out for that fucking piece of shit and he can’t even respond?

 

Oh he'll respond.

We'll be on another topic of conversation and forget we asked in the first place, but he'll respond.

[1pooh4u]

Lauren Boebert was an escort, got $ and suggestion to run for congress from Ted Cruz. She also had two abortions. This bitch is all about, it’s fine for me but not for thee.  Of course she denies it but there’s that pesky donation from Ted Cruz that she lied about but Cruz didn’t so we know at least that part is true.  BTW this is the same pac that took down Cawthorn 

idgaf that she was a sex worker or had an abortion  igaf that she’s actively trying to deny others the same rights she enjoyed.  She’s got to be one of the biggest hypocrites in Congress rn and that’s saying something 

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/06/pac-claims-rep-lauren-boebert-had-two

 

[Sawdamizer]

34 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Lauren Boebert was an escort, got $ and suggestion to run for congress from Ted Cruz. She also had two abortions. This bitch is all about, it’s fine for me but not for thee.  Of course she denies it but there’s that pesky donation from Ted Cruz that she lied about but Cruz didn’t so we know at least that part is true.  BTW this is the same pac that took down Cawthorn 

idgaf that she was a sex worker or had an abortion  igaf that she’s actively trying to deny others the same rights she enjoyed.  She’s got to be one of the biggest hypocrites in Congress rn and that’s saying something 

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/06/pac-claims-rep-lauren-boebert-had-two

 

Don’t forget her hubby pulled his PP out on some kids at a bowling alley

[1pooh4u]

20 minutes ago, Sawdamizer said:

Don’t forget her hubby pulled his PP out on some kids at a bowling alley

Wasn’t she one of the kids and then she married him?  

[1pooh4u]

Cold blooded 😆

 

[Master-Debater131]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/13/democrats-interference-primaries/

Democratic meddling in GOP primaries prompts concern over elevating election deniers

"All three have something else in common: They’re benefiting, either directly or indirectly, from a cluster of Democratic-associated groups spending millions of dollars in contested Republican primaries this month. In some cases these groups are attacking more mainstream Republicans and in others they are amplifying messages from the election-denying candidates.

The apparent bet these organizations are placing is that such far-right candidates, who hold polarizing views on various issues, would be easier to defeat in the November midterms when a broader slice of the electorate will be casting ballots. But some Democrats warn that this is a precarious strategy in a year when the party is facing stiff head winds — one that could result in the election of Republicans promoting false claims who could use powerful posts to disrupt future votes."

 

 

This feels like such an extraordinarily bad idea that its just hard to comprehend. Like, I get the idea behind this, but this isnt promoting candidates with some crazy ideas. This is promoting people who hold clearly anti-Democratic viewpoints. And they are doing it in a year when the GOP is going to make just massive gains across the board. The chance that this backfires is so ridiculously high that you cant be doing this kind of thing.

[Nablonsky]

14 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

This feels like such an extraordinarily bad idea that its just hard to comprehend. Like, I get the idea behind this, but this isnt promoting candidates with some crazy ideas. This is promoting people who hold clearly anti-Democratic viewpoints. And they are doing it in a year when the GOP is going to make just massive gains across the board. The chance that this backfires is so ridiculously high that you cant be doing this kind of thing.

Democrats exist to squash the left and amplify the right so that both parties can continue moving to the right. It was the Democrats and the Hillary campaign specifically along with their friends and collaborators in the mainstream liberal media who endlessly amplified and boosted Donald Trump's presidential campaign and gave him all that free media coverage in 2016 that was denied to Bernie Sanders, remember. 

Edited June 15, 2022 by Nablonsky

[stilgar]

Oh shit, nabs admitted he is a democrat.

[naraku360]

On 6/14/2022 at 11:02 AM, scoobdog said:

Horsehoe effect is real.... he's so far left, he's using Jingai's playbook.

I don't think horseshoe theory is real. How often do you see someone become so right-wing they end up a leftist? Horseshoe theory would, by mere principle, need to have the reverse.

We don't get that. It's easier to latch onto basic leftist ideas because they are objectively better both in results and on the face of it. Conservatism festers hostility and preys on vulnerablity to do it.

That's what draws people to the right off of faux-left propagandists but not the reverse. The left is simply a less abusive society, and that inherently means it's more passive. It's much harder to pull someone left from the far right than the reverse since the conservative ideology is in and of itself deeply exploitative.

[naraku360]

16 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

Democrats exist to squash the left and amplify the right so that both parties can continue moving to the right. It was the Democrats and the Hillary campaign specifically along with their friends and collaborators in the mainstream liberal media who endlessly amplified and boosted Donald Trump's presidential campaign and gave him all that free media coverage in 2016 that was denied to Bernie Sanders, remember. 

[Nablonsky]

7 hours ago, naraku360 said:

I don't think horseshoe theory is real

It's obviously fake but it is a salve for democrats who can dismiss out of hand valid criticism from the left as coming from "basically Nazis" and thus reason to ignore. 

Hmm, someone's criticizing the Democrats? Sure sounds like a REPUBLICAN to me!

- Comfortable middle-aged losers who haven't done a political thing in their entire lives aside from vote and maybe wear a pussy hat.  

[André Toulon]

I think a middle aged loser is mad he's never worn a pussy hat

[Nablonsky]

13 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

I think a middle aged loser is mad he's never worn a pussy hat

He lives in a mansion, pretty sure he can just buy one whenever. 

[naraku360]

46 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

It's obviously fake but it is a salve for democrats who can dismiss out of hand valid criticism from the left as coming from "basically Nazis" and thus reason to ignore. 

Hmm, someone's criticizing the Democrats? Sure sounds like a REPUBLICAN to me!

- Comfortable middle-aged losers who haven't done a political thing in their entire lives aside from vote and maybe wear a pussy hat.  

Seriously?

I made an entire point and you sucked all nuance out of it. I wasn't even implying horseshoe theory is just about people who criticize Democrats. That's ridiculous.

If you agree with me on something, can you please refrain from omitting important information (like most of the post) and misrepresenting what I said?

[André Toulon]

2 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Seriously?

I made an entire point and you sucked all nuance out of it. I wasn't even implying horseshoe theory is just about people who criticize Democrats. That's ridiculous.

If you agree with me on something, can you please refrain from omitting important information (like most of the post) and misrepresenting what I said?

No....no he can't, that is called a discussion in good faith and he's proven in this thread on multiple occasions he's incapable of such. 

So he can fuck off until he can post in DF.... I'm not giving him shit else here.

Edited June 16, 2022 by André Toulon