Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 The whole #metoo thing makes me think about it theres just been lots of times things have happened. Like anytime there’s a group of drunk girls and somebody tells them that I have a big dick. Then it’s open season to sexually misconduct me. Back when I was in some relationships w/girls their friends and them would touch or pinch me all over. If I said it hurt they’d laugh and say I could take it. one time that same girl apparently signed me up for a 3some where her and her friend were going to dress up as cops for Halloween and use strap ons on me. I wasn’t told about it until all 3 of us were alone in the bedroom together. Nobody asked me and both of them just started touching & kissing me. Honestly all I wanted to do was hang out and they were super pissy when I didn’t want to do the 3some. on a porn set a female director was handling my cock to show my costar how to set up the blowjob shot, and out of nowhere the director put my dick in her mouth. I didn’t react but my costar actually gasped which prompted the director to stop, stand up, and exclaim “director’s privilege!” Then we continued filming. theres more I could go on about. But I don’t know who to tell my story to. I feel like everyone would get angry w/me if I brought it up. I’ll just tell u guys I guess. 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Well, that is just fucking awful. I really wish people could learn to keep their hands to themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Poof said: The whole #metoo thing makes me think about it theres just been lots of times things have happened. Like anytime there’s a group of drunk girls and somebody tells them that I have a big dick. Then it’s open season to sexually misconduct me. Back when I was in some relationships w/girls their friends and them would touch or pinch me all over. If I said it hurt they’d laugh and say I could take it. one time that same girl apparently signed me up for a 3some where her and her friend were going to dress up as cops for Halloween and use strap ons on me. I wasn’t told about it until all 3 of us were alone in the bedroom together. Nobody asked me and both of them just started touching & kissing me. Honestly all I wanted to do was hang out and they were super pissy when I didn’t want to do the 3some. on a porn set a female director was handling my cock to show my costar how to set up the blowjob shot, and out of nowhere the director put my dick in her mouth. I didn’t react but my costar actually gasped which prompted the director to stop, stand up, and exclaim “director’s privilege!” Then we continued filming. theres more I could go on about. But I don’t know who to tell my story to. I feel like everyone would get angry w/me if I brought it up. I’ll just tell u guys I guess. I'd tell you to be open about yout story and to name names but that didn't work out well for Anthony Rapp since he's most likely been blacklisted by hollywood for exposing Kevin Spacey >:s, seems this whole metoo movement only applies if you're a cis girl who was molested/wronged by a man Edited January 14, 2018 by mochi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Jackass Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 49 minutes ago, Poof said: my costar actually gasped which prompted the director to stop, stand up, and exclaim “director’s privilege!” Then we continued filming. Uhhhhh what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice McKenzie Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Why would people get angry? You shouldn't have to put up with that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Saiyanman said: Why would people get angry? You shouldn't have to put up with that shit. Bc it’s not anti-men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, empty said: Uhhhhh what What do u mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KreiaDidNothingWrong Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 "what do you mean you don't want to be our experiment?" -the threesome girls That's my guess anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mochi said: I'd tell you to be open about yout story and to name names but that didn't work out well for Anthony Rapp since he's most likely been blacklisted by hollywood for exposing Kevin Spacey >:s, seems this whole metoo movement only applies if you're a cis girl who was molested/wronged by a man I don’t believe in all this naming of names in the first place. I just want the world to know that women can be creeps and rapey too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mochi said: I'd tell you to be open about yout story and to name names but that didn't work out well for Anthony Rapp since he's most likely been blacklisted by hollywood for exposing Kevin Spacey >:s, seems this whole metoo movement only applies if you're a cis girl who was molested/wronged by a man Thinly-veiled misogyny, gotta love how you always try to interject your views into other people's dilemmas. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KreiaDidNothingWrong Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Do we even know if Anthony Rapp is blacklisted? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, KreiaDidNothingWrong said: Do we even know if Anthony Rapp is blacklisted? I just google searched it and it doesn't seem like it. It's just mochi's interpretation. I don't want this to stray away from poof's topic, but sometimes I just have trouble ignoring mochi's crap. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, stilgar said: Well, that is just fucking awful. I really wish people could learn to keep their hands to themselves. That’s the thing. I don’t think it’s a big deal, but by the rules of #metoo, it’s like as bad as rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, KreiaDidNothingWrong said: "what do you mean you don't want to be our experiment?" -the threesome girls That's my guess anyway More like sitting in silence while we watched some Halloween movie. It ruined the whole night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KreiaDidNothingWrong Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Poof said: More like sitting in silence while we watched some Halloween movie. It ruined the whole night Why the fuck did they even assume you were down for such a thing? People are fucking stupid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, KreiaDidNothingWrong said: Why the fuck did they even assume you were down for such a thing? People are fucking stupid Idk. I never had any intimate or sexual relations w/her friend before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrigunBebop Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 That is beyond fucked up. People really need to learn to keep their God damn hands to themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Jackass Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Poof said: What do u mean? I probably should have added a "the fuck" to the end of that. Should I pretend to be a film director so I can walk into the store and sample the products, citing my director privilege? Edited January 14, 2018 by empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 You know, you could start your own movement instead of trying to damage one because it doesn't cater to you. I'd join.....I was raped by 3 women when I was drunk and coked up......They took pic of me passed out with my dick in their mouths, did things to my fanny, and then showed these pics to the entire neighborhood. I never felt a need to shoehorn that into the #metoo movement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornshire Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Poof said: I don’t believe in all this naming of names in the first place. I just want the world to know that women can be creeps and rapey too But the way you let the world know is by naming names... Sure, We can all agree in the abstract sense that women are capable of it, but nobody is going to change their perspective from "oh, it could happen" to "yeah, it does happen" without actual examples, without people coming forward with their stories. Otherwise scummy people just continue their scummy behavior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Poof said: The whole #metoo thing makes me think about it theres just been lots of times things have happened. Like anytime there’s a group of drunk girls and somebody tells them that I have a big dick. Then it’s open season to sexually misconduct me. Back when I was in some relationships w/girls their friends and them would touch or pinch me all over. If I said it hurt they’d laugh and say I could take it. one time that same girl apparently signed me up for a 3some where her and her friend were going to dress up as cops for Halloween and use strap ons on me. I wasn’t told about it until all 3 of us were alone in the bedroom together. Nobody asked me and both of them just started touching & kissing me. Honestly all I wanted to do was hang out and they were super pissy when I didn’t want to do the 3some. on a porn set a female director was handling my cock to show my costar how to set up the blowjob shot, and out of nowhere the director put my dick in her mouth. I didn’t react but my costar actually gasped which prompted the director to stop, stand up, and exclaim “director’s privilege!” Then we continued filming. theres more I could go on about. But I don’t know who to tell my story to. I feel like everyone would get angry w/me if I brought it up. I’ll just tell u guys I guess. I wish it was easier for you to put this out there without any blowback, but our country sucks so much at letting people speak up safely about these issues. Do you have some place where you can vent anonymously just to see what the response to it would be like? If it's just here, we'll always have open ears. Edited January 14, 2018 by SorceressPol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Gogo Yubari said: You know, you could start your own movement instead of trying to damage one because it doesn't cater to you. I'd join.....I was raped by 3 women when I was drunk and coked up......They took pic of me passed out with my dick in their mouths, did things to my fanny, and then showed these pics to the entire neighborhood. I never felt a need to shoehorn that into the #metoo movement. You don’t get the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, SorceressPol said: I wish it was easier for you to put this out there without any blowback, but our country sucks so much at letting people speak up safely about these issues. Do you have some place where you can vent anonymously just to see what the response to it would be like? If it's just here, we'll always have open ears. I usually rant and rave to u guys. I have some anonymous social media accounts. But im not going to do anything anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Poof said: You don’t get the point And that point is? I said I agree with you....I too have been violated by women......Wanna tell me how in your case it's any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAC Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I think it would defiantly be good to get it out there that women can be that way too, but as to how they'd react, idk it might not be good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Gogo Yubari said: And that point is? I said I agree with you....I too have been violated by women......Wanna tell me how in your case it's any different? I just want women to be aware that they do it too ALOT so that they stop acting like it’s only men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunStarHero Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Often times when I hear something akin to this, I feel disgusted. Sure, women get victimized, but women do the damage, too. Like all these stories you hear where a woman wanted something from a man, he refused, and she cries "rape!" Or going out of their way to inhibit someone to have their way with said person. Seems like a lot of women are used to getting what they want without ever having to face any sort of negative consequence. Like it's all a game to them. Lately, I have been coming to terms with the fact that I was raped when I a kid. But honestly, it boils down to power to me. Any sort of leverage to make things happen leads to this sort of shit, regardless of the perpetrator's gender. And, for whatever reason, people like to throw victims under the bus if it doesn't fit their narrative of the world, more often than not referring to men as magically being the only ones capable of sexual abuse, rape, and misconduct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 i brought this up in a conversation the other day with a female friend. just pointed out the number of articles i'd seen recently about middle aged female school teachers being arrested for sexual misconduct with male students and mentioned that maybe the issue we should be looking at is one of human nature and power dynamics, not necessarily specifically men and power dynamics. i thought she was going to lose her fucking mind... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opium Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) Mass gender generalizations aren't good, but in this case, I think you're misinterpreting the movement. Women didn't do this to you. Sally did, or whatever her name is, and there is no cultural evidence to support that women are wholly aggressive, nor are they often placed above men in the workplace. It's more pointed towards the cultural identity of the aggressive male than just the humans with a penis. Edited January 14, 2018 by diphenyl oxalate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Ah, female hate....This is too delicious not to wag my penis at. Seriously tho, this all seems really misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: they get what they give. everything else is fucking christmas and to be fair thats a, "From now on," experience. i can imitate love but im never putting it before my own happiness again. You don't sound that happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mewn Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Man, so sorry you had to go through that, Poof, that is fucking disgusting. I get the whole "maybe it isn't metoo", but tbh, I would call it a #metoo thing; you were molested and assaulted without consent and that is just wrong. Idc male or female, it is wrong, and you shouldn't have to go through something like that, and I'm sure there are similar instances within the community that this has happened. Your voice is heard here, I hear it loud, and I'm with you. I wish we could do more, but this is a step and it took the guts to share it. And yeah, females are just as guilty as males, I feel like there hasn't been as much exposure as far as "high profile" cases go...the most I heard was Melanie Martinez and Lena Dunham, so that may be why there's more of a stigmatism there, plus society in general. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.M. Matthews Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 13 hours ago, Poof said: The whole #metoo thing makes me think about it theres just been lots of times things have happened. Like anytime there’s a group of drunk girls and somebody tells them that I have a big dick. Then it’s open season to sexually misconduct me. Back when I was in some relationships w/girls their friends and them would touch or pinch me all over. If I said it hurt they’d laugh and say I could take it. one time that same girl apparently signed me up for a 3some where her and her friend were going to dress up as cops for Halloween and use strap ons on me. I wasn’t told about it until all 3 of us were alone in the bedroom together. Nobody asked me and both of them just started touching & kissing me. Honestly all I wanted to do was hang out and they were super pissy when I didn’t want to do the 3some. on a porn set a female director was handling my cock to show my costar how to set up the blowjob shot, and out of nowhere the director put my dick in her mouth. I didn’t react but my costar actually gasped which prompted the director to stop, stand up, and exclaim “director’s privilege!” Then we continued filming. theres more I could go on about. But I don’t know who to tell my story to. I feel like everyone would get angry w/me if I brought it up. I’ll just tell u guys I guess. I think someone's been browsing my porno history a lol too much lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, nameraka said: i brought this up in a conversation the other day with a female friend. just pointed out the number of articles i'd seen recently about middle aged female school teachers being arrested for sexual misconduct with male students and mentioned that maybe the issue we should be looking at is one of human nature and power dynamics, not necessarily specifically men and power dynamics. i thought she was going to lose her fucking mind... You come across as saying that men aren't the problem when all this shit is what happens when you live in a patriarchal society that doesn't want to change. It can't be brushed aside and acknowledging that helps if you're a man(I'm assuming because your friend freaked out) bringing up female sexual predators. There are a lot of misunderstandings that can happen because when consent and sexual assault are brought up, mens' rights trolls come out of the woodwork and bork any real conversations trying to be had about this. 51 minutes ago, diphenyl oxalate said: Mass gender generalizations aren't good, but in this case, I think you're misinterpreting the movement. Women didn't do this to you. Sally did, or whatever her name is, and there is no cultural evidence to support that women are wholly aggressive, nor are they often placed above men in the workplace. It's more pointed towards the cultural identity of the aggressive male than just the humans with a penis. I have no idea who you're replying to. Anyways, I don't really know much about the human aggression stuff, but I do know that there are women who treat people different from them like zoo animals and believe they're entitled to do anything to them physically without worrying about retaliation. I see this when white women are fascinated by black hair or our body types, in gay clubs where straight women go there to act like idiots, and at nerd conventions where my girl friends had to act as bodyguards for a male friend because multiple women slipped their nasty fingers into the back of his leotard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrigunBebop Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Spindack said: I think someone's been browsing my porno history a lol too much lol This thread really isn't the place for comments like that. Edited January 14, 2018 by TrigunBebop 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.M. Matthews Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 You mean being honest about the real subtext of conversations here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, TrigunBebop said: This thread really isn't the place for comments like that. i dont even understand what that post is supposed to mean i think hes disagreeing with poof, but i cant tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrigunBebop Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spindack said: You mean being honest about the real subtext of conversations here? This thread is about sexual assault. Joking about how the scenarios are similar to plots of pornos you've seen is uncalled for. Edited January 14, 2018 by TrigunBebop 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapinator_X Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I can see how hard it would be to come clean about assault. You want to open up about someone and make people more aware of your situation. At the same time, the unwanted attention and scrutiny might possibly make things harder for you. When I was taken advantage of by my ex, I was mulling over whether I should report him to the school therapist/campus police or stick my neck out and place myself in further scrutiny. The consequences of ruining him over it would pale in comparison to whether people took me seriously or if they'd act like it couldn't have been assault. It would have possibly also outed me as bi or at least bicurious to my relatively religiously conservative family. 2014 truly was hell on earth. It kills me that I didn't tell many people about it, but circumstances are strange. Apologies if I ended it up making it about myself by the middle, but I figured my input might be able to conceptualize the pros and cons of keeping it bottled up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 13 hours ago, Poof said: The whole #metoo thing makes me think about it theres just been lots of times things have happened. Like anytime there’s a group of drunk girls and somebody tells them that I have a big dick. Then it’s open season to sexually misconduct me. Back when I was in some relationships w/girls their friends and them would touch or pinch me all over. If I said it hurt they’d laugh and say I could take it. one time that same girl apparently signed me up for a 3some where her and her friend were going to dress up as cops for Halloween and use strap ons on me. I wasn’t told about it until all 3 of us were alone in the bedroom together. Nobody asked me and both of them just started touching & kissing me. Honestly all I wanted to do was hang out and they were super pissy when I didn’t want to do the 3some. on a porn set a female director was handling my cock to show my costar how to set up the blowjob shot, and out of nowhere the director put my dick in her mouth. I didn’t react but my costar actually gasped which prompted the director to stop, stand up, and exclaim “director’s privilege!” Then we continued filming. theres more I could go on about. But I don’t know who to tell my story to. I feel like everyone would get angry w/me if I brought it up. I’ll just tell u guys I guess. wow that is wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 mochi migth have good idea tell you story at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.M. Matthews Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 47 minutes ago, TrigunBebop said: This thread is about sexual assault. Making jokes about how the scenarios are similar to plots of pornos you've seen is uncalled for. How can you prove any of that actually happened in REALITY. Just saying. Women make shit up. That's often the truth. Why trust the internet? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.M. Matthews Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Spindack: Not afraid to play the villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrigunBebop Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spindack said: How can you prove any of that actually happened in REALITY. Just saying. Women make shit up. That's often the truth. Why trust the internet? I don't. When it comes to reports of sexual violence, only 2 to 6 percent of reports are either found or suspected to be false at the most. The rest of them tend to check out. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of people who report being sexually assaulted or raped are telling the truth. Edited January 14, 2018 by TrigunBebop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Spindack, certain boundaries do not need to be pushed and you should have the social wherewithal to determine where and when that is the case as it is here. I have removed your more unfortunate comments. Please choose your words carefully, or better yet - maybe take a pass on this thread. As a general note to everyone, I will probably remove any subsequent comments to this specific chain, so don't bother replying to me and stick to the original topic at hand. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Gogo Yubari said: You don't sound that happy. i deleted my shitposts. but no - not happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 57 minutes ago, Spindack said: Spindack, listen up. This isn't about you being "the villain" it is about people feeling courageous enough to share with peers experiences which resulted in severe emotional and (hopefully not permanent) physical traumas. The last thing that anyone in that kind of position needs is some pile of human garbage trying to score "edgelord" points off of them by making asinine remarks which diminish the very real nature of what they endured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death_is_coming Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 That sucks terribly. People should never assume that they have the rights to do anything to another human, let alone sexual stuff. At least the two girls didn't pursue it after you said no. I'm sorry those types of things happen to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opium Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 3:41 PM, SorceressPol said: You come across as saying that men aren't the problem when all this shit is what happens when you live in a patriarchal society that doesn't want to change. It can't be brushed aside and acknowledging that helps if you're a man(I'm assuming because your friend freaked out) bringing up female sexual predators. There are a lot of misunderstandings that can happen because when consent and sexual assault are brought up, mens' rights trolls come out of the woodwork and bork any real conversations trying to be had about this. I have no idea who you're replying to. Anyways, I don't really know much about the human aggression stuff, but I do know that there are women who treat people different from them like zoo animals and believe they're entitled to do anything to them physically without worrying about retaliation. I see this when white women are fascinated by black hair or our body types, in gay clubs where straight women go there to act like idiots, and at nerd conventions where my girl friends had to act as bodyguards for a male friend because multiple women slipped their nasty fingers into the back of his leotard. I was replying to the OP. You knowing women who do certain things is not an accurate representation of an entire gender, nor does it have any substantial cultural context. Macho male aggressiveness is a certified phenomenon, though Me Too is more a movement pinpointing sexual assault in general. When people say "Men" they do not mean every individual man on earth -- they mean this concept of Man that exists that dictates that a man should 'be a man' and do what that entails, which often involves aggression; and is also an image of male dominance in the workplace and influence through power. When they address individual men (who haven't abused), it isn't to damn them. It's to get them to recognize that this exists and to help combat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 1/14/2018 at 7:51 AM, Sho Minamimoto said: You know, you could start your own movement instead of trying to damage one because it doesn't cater to you. I'd join.....I was raped by 3 women when I was drunk and coked up......They took pic of me passed out with my dick in their mouths, did things to my fanny, and then showed these pics to the entire neighborhood. I never felt a need to shoehorn that into the #metoo movement. Yeah, I thought I gave the abridged version here .... @Poof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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