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1 hour ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

Thanks, but I was hoping I wasn't right and shit wouldn't come to this. I never get to feel good when I'm right. Takes all the fun out of it. So now we get to see how the Cult of Trump continues on after this all the way to election day. That could be fun right? Until this motherfuckers right back where he started OMFG!

I'm buying a fucking van, and heading to the farthest river in the country away from this shit 

Goosfraba!

the reality has to be taken with this win. for sure. 

we have a scotus judge that likes to fly mage-turd and upside down old glory for shits and giggles, and to piss of the neighbors. 

 the media keeps telling us not to worry about anything, because everything is under control. 

i'm pretty sure in every scenerio, when "THEY" say don't worry, you worry. 

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18 hours ago, katt_goddess said:

Guilty

Just the start. He's going to drag this on for years in appeals. If there is one thing he is good at, it's gumming up the gears of the justice system and making things move as slowly as possible. If the conviction stands on this case in 2025 or 2026 when he exhaust appeals, he'll probably get probation or a suspended sentence considering it's his first offence (that he's been convicted of) and his age. 

The other cases, he'll drag those on until he's out of money or meets natural causes. If they do reach an end, he'll probably be too out of his mind with age-relate cognitive problems (runs in his family) that there'll be no point in locking him up. By the time everything is over and if he's alive, he'll probably be an old guy who has no idea where he is and who's around him surrounded by secret service. 

I'm kind of curious how long the MAGA people and GOP will stand by him when his cognitive decline is no longer something that can be outright denied, explained away or hidden. 

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5 hours ago, ZoomBubba said:

Just the start. He's going to drag this on for years in appeals. If there is one thing he is good at, it's gumming up the gears of the justice system and making things move as slowly as possible. If the conviction stands on this case in 2025 or 2026 when he exhaust appeals, he'll probably get probation or a suspended sentence considering it's his first offence (that he's been convicted of) and his age. 

The other cases, he'll drag those on until he's out of money or meets natural causes. If they do reach an end, he'll probably be too out of his mind with age-relate cognitive problems (runs in his family) that there'll be no point in locking him up. By the time everything is over and if he's alive, he'll probably be an old guy who has no idea where he is and who's around him surrounded by secret service. 

I'm kind of curious how long the MAGA people and GOP will stand by him when his cognitive decline is no longer something that can be outright denied, explained away or hidden. 

Yeah, its beyond well known that he either drags the crap out of things hoping everyone else gets bored/goes broke trying to dig him out of whatever hole he's wedged himself into or appeals anything that doesn't make him happy. RInse, repeat. And like every other trash creature that gets busted bigly on something, look forward to a sudden 'deterioration' that means he totally can't go to jail for even a single day.

But for plenty, it's still 34 felony-level guilties that will continue to follow his dumb ass for the rest of his life regardless of appeal. And considering that he's already running around claiming that he wasn't even allowed to have witnesses because everyone was biased against him [ his crack team of the very best of soon to be stiffed lawyers called two and that was all they seemed to care to call so suck it up, buttercup ] and wasn't allowed to take the stand in his own defense [ he was likely talked out of that by his own team because he can't stay on topic without turning into a screaming child ], I look forward to any appeal being tossed on the grounds that he picked his team and if they failed him, tough. 

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“Don’t forget, if it weren’t me, they’d be going after somebody else. And I know a lot of the competition,” Trump said during an interview with Fox News’ Will Cain, Rachel Campos-Duffy and Pete Hegseth that aired Sunday morning. “They wouldn’t be doing so well right now. They’d be saying, ‘Mommy, take me home, I want to go home.’”

Probably.

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20 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

 

 

This would be absolutely hilarious if true. Just peak timeline writing.

It’s apparently from a pro shitposter.  The court is doing its due diligence, but it does not appear to have affected anything.  That tweet is from a straight MAGA troll shaming companies for supporting LBGTQ+ kids.

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On 6/6/2024 at 6:33 PM, discolé monade said:

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A protester shot back: “Your coup failed!”

"That protestor was an Antifa extremist and he is so, so wrong it isn't even funny. Totally wrong. It was perfect. Beautiful and not a failure. They were only the finest, smartest, and best coupers to ever coup since maybe even Jesus, who told me himself that we did it perfectly. Wow, can you believe how wrong someone can be? Even I, Jesus reincarnated, told me they are wrong. Incredible!"

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Trump had at least 7 calls with Putin since leaving office which may have gone against the Logan Act.
Also I want you to think about those calls and then think about the stack of classified documents he was sitting on.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-had-as-many-as-7-private-calls-with-putin-since-leaving-office-bob-woodward-writes-in-new-book

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Merchan is probably gonna give Trump an unconditional discharge. I’m pretty sure that means nothing is going to happen ever. Not even if he breaks the law again. Only in America will people complain about crime only to elect a felon president 

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10 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

It's the judge's way of preserving the conviction without fueling claims that it's a burden towards governing.

If he was given a conditional discharge that would be a burden? Why cuz Trump can’t not break the law?  

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See man this is bullshit I got family that never hurt no one doing 40-life. This mother fucker raped the nation will do it again and absolutely nothing happens with his 34 felonies.  I hope he fuckin dies while taking a shit. I’m fuckin seriously rn

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Just now, 1pooh4u said:

See man this is bullshit I got family that never hurt no one doing 40-life. This mother fucker raped the nation will do it again and absolutely nothing happens with his 34 felonies.  I hope he fuckin dies while taking a shit. I’m fuckin seriously rn

How did he rape a nation?

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13 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

It's the judge's way of preserving the conviction without fueling claims that it's a burden towards governing.

Marchan has really been put in a bad position by a lot of irresponsible voters.  The only thing he can do is uphold the integrity of his court, the prosecution team, and his jurors.  Ultimately, this is the best path forward because it minimizes Trump’s avenues for additional appeals without invalidating the conviction.

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1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

By fuckin your mom 

In other words, you have nothing on him.

Every sensible person knows very well that he was planted in front of judge who had already made up his mind on Trump long before the trials had even begun.

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27 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

In other words, you have nothing on him.

Every sensible person knows very well that he was planted in front of judge who had already made up his mind on Trump long before the trials had even begun.

No it was definitely because he banged your mother 

that’s the answer you get. That’s the answer you deserve. 

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42 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Marchan has really been put in a bad position by a lot of irresponsible voters.  The only thing he can do is uphold the integrity of his court, the prosecution team, and his jurors.  Ultimately, this is the best path forward because it minimizes Trump’s avenues for additional appeals without invalidating the conviction.

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In a surprising move on a lightning-quick timetable that is unlikely to stand if challenged, the New York court that presided over the Stormy Daniels hush money criminal trial of Donald Trump ordered him on Friday to be sentenced on Jan. 10, just 10 days before he will assume the presidency once again. The judge signaled that Trump would get an “unconditional discharge,” meaning no jail time or probation, but sentencing would still cement the former and future president as a convicted felon. If Trump seeks an emergency stay blocking the sentencing—and it will not surprise us if he goes all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary—we expect he will succeed.

Justice Juan Merchan, in an 18-page opinion and order, rejected a number of Trump’s arguments against his sentencing, including that a president-elect is entitled to the same immunity as a president. He also rejected a motion to dismiss Trump’s case in the interest of justice. Among the factors the court found weighing against dismissal was Trump’s character: “Defendant’s disdain for the Third Branch of government, whether state or federal, in New York or elsewhere, is a matter of public record. Indeed, Defendant has gone to great lengths to broadcast on social media and other forums his lack of respect for judges, juries, grand juries and the justice system as a whole.” In a related scathing footnote, Merchan accused Trump’s lawyers of engaging in “dangerous rhetoric” in attacking the integrity of the court.

The footnote might also signal something about the peculiar timing of the ruling, so close to Trump’s reascent to the presidency and with no time left for any sentence to be carried out. In it, Merchan all but accuses Trump’s attorneys, led by Trump’s nominee for deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche, of attempting to intimidate the judge in their recent pleadings. The implication could be that Merchan is laying down a marker that he will go ahead with the sentencing at this late date to demonstrate that the judiciary will not be intimidated by the incoming president.

Merchan notes specifically that Trump’s filings “accuse … this Court of engaging in ‘unlawful’ and ‘unconstitutional’ conduct,” adding that such terms are synonymous with “criminally punishable.” Merchan then cited Chief Justice John Roberts’ recent paean to the sanctity of judicial independence. “Attempts to intimidate judges for their rulings in cases are inappropriate and should be vigorously opposed.”

“This Court is in complete agreement with Chief Justice Roberts’ views on this subject,” Merchan continued. “Dangerous rhetoric is not a welcome form of argument and will have no impact on how the Court renders this or any other Decision.” This passage could be read as Merchan taking a stand against threats to an independent judiciary by ruling at this late hour.

The court also decided against dismissing the case because the charges were serious, even if they were not as serious as violent crimes that other criminal defendants in Merchan’s courtroom had committed. In the end, the court concluded that there was no reason to put things on hold any longer. But the court added that “it seems proper at this juncture to make known the Court’s inclination to not impose any sentence of incarceration, a sentence authorized by the conviction but one the People concede they no longer view as a practicable recommendation. As such, in balancing the aforementioned considerations in conjunction with the underlying concerns of the Presidential immunity doctrine, a sentence of an unconditional discharge appears to be the most viable solution to ensure finality and allow Defendant to pursue his appellate options.” The court will allow Trump to appear virtually.

Even with jail time off the table, Trump surely would rather not be sentenced for a crime a week or so before he assumes the presidency; that is not just an embarrassment, but it would potentially weaken his standing both here and abroad.

If Trump asks, there’s a good chance that an appeals court, and maybe even the United States Supreme Court, will delay the sentencing, effectively until after his presidency. To begin with, Merchan had months and months to decide to sentence Trump. By waiting until the last minute, he’s putting all the courts in a bind. There is one week until sentencing, and less than three weeks until Trump is back in office again. There’s hardly time to brief and decide this case. An appeals court may decide that Merchan dallied and give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

Further, while Trump’s arguments for president-elect immunity and his other legal arguments appear weak at first glance, they are not frivolous, and the stakes are high given that Trump is about to assume the presidency. A court will want to consider these arguments. We know that when the Supreme Court considered Trump immunity in the election interference case, it saw the case as involving much larger issues than just Donald Trump, and it took its time to issue a decision (a delay that ultimately allowed Trump to run out the clock on these and other charges). Any appeals court that wants to consider these issues seriously will need more than literally the few days that now would appear.

Finally, there are serious legal issues related to the underlying New York prosecution itself. It could well be that on the merits, the case will be reversed, perhaps because it improperly bootstrapped federal campaign finance law onto a state business records case. If Trump is sentenced, his appeal might be stayed or it could take years. In the meantime, the sentence will hang over Trump. A conservative Supreme Court skeptical of the merits of Trump’s prosecution and protective of the presidency might step in and save Trump once again from criminal proceedings coming to a close.

Merchan’s concern for the rule of law and his condemnation of Trump’s attack on the judiciary are well stated. But his timing puts higher courts in an impossible bind and his ruling is not likely to be well received by a Supreme Court especially protective of presidential power.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/01/judge-merchan-sentence-trump-no-prison-time-inauguration.html

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33 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

In other words, you have nothing on him.

Every sensible person knows very well that he was planted in front of judge who had already made up his mind on Trump long before the trials had even begun.

YOU ARE BANNED FROM WATCHING FOX 'NEWS' OR LISTENING TO AM RADIO.

YOU HAVE 30 DAYS REMAINING.

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31 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

lol every one of his criminal things got spliced into its own thread because it was getting too complicated to keep track

and then in the end none of it matters because justice isn't real

No one thought he was going to prison and they were right.  Justice is blind but her hands are out accepting that money 

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1 hour ago, Raptorpat said:

The Roger Ailes plan was to create alternative media that instills the Republican base with such absolute loyalty that it would prevent another Nixon resignation/impeachment.

He won.

Yup. He sure did. It’s all fucked 

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On 1/4/2025 at 1:54 PM, scoobdog said:

Marchan has really been put in a bad position by a lot of irresponsible voters.  The only thing he can do is uphold the integrity of his court, the prosecution team, and his jurors.  Ultimately, this is the best path forward because it minimizes Trump’s avenues for additional appeals without invalidating the conviction.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25483246-24a666-order/

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The application for stay presented to Justice Sotomayor and by her referred to the Court is denied for, inter alia, the following reasons. First, the alleged evidentiary violations at President-Elect Trump’s state-court trial can be addressed in the ordinary course on appeal. Second, the burden that sentencing will impose on the President-Elect’s responsibilities is relatively insubstantial in light of the trial court’s stated intent to impose a sentence of “unconditional discharge” after abrief virtual hearing.

Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Kavanaugh would grant the application.

 

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