2022 Midterms: Oh god, not again

[Seight]

7 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

A lot of those states are already fairly liberal though.

I think what we're all dancing around is the choice to go winner-take-all or to be principled.  It's no secret that Republicans as a whole are unprincipled and generally craven, and for the most part the Democrats lose out because they're note willing to play.  Voting progressive doesn't  change that, and ultimately part of the reason Pelosi, Schumer and the Democrats push progressives to the side is because of the belief that saymaintain a relatively malleable center makes it easier to get an Democratic agenda through Congress not for any explicit disdain for progressive causes.  But, what that really says is that we as progressive voters don't seem particularly interested reason the same aggressive and craven approach to politics.

Say what you want about RAC_G, but her batshit craziness is more in line with current politics than even what most progressives propose for the simple fact she frames it as a true us versus eeveryone else at the voter level rather than a generic us versus "unreasonable" or "bigotted" or whatever socially undesirable people are hiding in plain sight.  This is the real dilemma for modern progressives and it poses a rather unpalatable answer to the question of "what do we need to do to change the system?". 

Right, it was like me watching the primaries last night thinking "Oh thank god none of the actual batshit crazy people won last night" and then remembering who already represents my state and thinking "...FUUUUUUUUUUCK."

[Raptorpat]

9 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

A lot of those states are already fairly liberal though.

you might be surprised

https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Raptorpat said:

you might be surprised

https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum

Not surprised enough, but there are far more conservative western states then one would think.

[naraku360]

9 hours ago, rpgamer said:

I think the answer to that has historically been "revolution."

Well, yeah, but I'm asking Nabs what his plan would be.

Mostly because it's funny since he wants us to believe he has a plan, but we wll know he doesn't. 

[Poof]

On 5/19/2022 at 12:29 PM, Master-Debater131 said:

Probably has something to do with the fact that we've been told those lies before by the Obama admin when they told us we had reached "peak oil" and we "cant drill out way out of these gas prices" and we need to "transition out of oil" only to be proven laughably wrong.

We didn't reach peak oil, we absolutely drilled our way out of those prices, and we didn't need to be forced to transition out of oil.

We can, and will, do it again. Its just a matter if its during the Biden admin or during a GOP admin in 2024. Judging by the actions of the current admin it sure looks like it will be by a GOP admin in 2024, unless a GOP led congress forces Bidens hand.

Wanna remind you that if we had transitioned onto renewables, no hostile country could fuck with our energy needs like whats happening riiight now… 

[Seight]

9 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

you might be surprised

https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum

*raises hand*

Can confirm this is pretty much probably the only way we have medical marijuana here.

(It's also led to a funny inside joke of "If I were allowing casinos to only be built in certain counties I would simply make sure all those counties wanted a casino first.") 

[rpgamer]

That's a big oof

 

[Nablonsky]

 

 

Imagine voting for this over and over and expecting it to ever change. 

 

[André Toulon]

52 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

 

 

Imagine voting for this over and over and expecting it to ever change. 

 

I'm bored enough for some good faith....

No one thought LockEmAllUp Harris was ever the one to put into office for police reform, this response is definitely expected from her White master.....Again, the exercise was to ensure Trump didn't ease his way into a second term by way of voting into a party that didn't have the resources to win. 

But you keep your little liberal minstrel show going and ignoring what you've been told ad nauseam.

Now, about that plan you have to help 3rd parties into the mainstream.... We're all ears, bro.

[Nablonsky]

 

 

 

 

https://archive.ph/tAPB3

^ non-paywall link to the WSJ article 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Nablonsky]

No idea what the fake mods are up to with constantly moving my posts around, in this case taking my very specific and topical posts about what happened in Texas out of the mass shooting thread and putting them in the midterm election thread (???)  But I've long ceased searching for any coherent pattern or logic to their weird fakemod actions and inaction.

There are many explicitly partisan posts in that thread talking about who to vote for and blaming Republicans for stonewalling gun legislation and for Democrats not doing enough with the power they do have...why were mine moved here? I'd ask this in the mod thread but there's not one anymore. 

[Master-Debater131]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/economic-issues-top-publics-agenda-poll/story?id=85183412

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With inflation on the rise since last fall, Americans have been significantly affected by the rising cost of goods and services. And, more than eight in 10 Americans (83%) now say that the economy is either an extremely or very important issue in determining how they will vote, in the latest ABC News/Ipsos poll conducted using Ipsos' KnowledgePanel.

In the poll, 80% of Americans say that inflation is also an extremely or very important factor in how they will vote and for gas prices, it is 74%.

Joe Biden's approval ratings for his handling of these key issues are all well underwater, suggesting trouble for the president and Democratic candidates ahead of the midterm. Only 37% approve of Biden’s handling of the economic recovery, and even fewer approve of his handling of inflation (28%) and gas prices (27%)."

 

 

If these numbers hold then any seat that is a D+10 or less could easily flip GOP. The House is already gone and is absolutely going to the GOP, the only question is by how much.  And the Senate is sure looking like a good bet for the GOP as well. National numbers like these are going to create a ton of problems for Democrats in any race.

 

[scoobdog]

Didn't you say the exact same thing last week?

[Master-Debater131]

Huh, looks like it.  Guess that means the numbers arent getting any better and its going to be a disaster for Democrats this fall.

[scoobdog]

46 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Huh, looks like it.  Guess that means the numbers arent getting any better and its going to be a disaster for Democrats this fall.

Or you're just pushing an agenda.

[rpgamer]

Cuz Republicans have such a good track record with the economy...

[stilgar]

8 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Cuz Republicans have such a good track record with the economy...

People who vote republican think that because when ever the republicans fuck shit up they blame the dems. 

[Master-Debater131]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

Or you're just pushing an agenda.

Yea, that the Economy largely sucks and Democrats are primarily to blame for that.

We are seeing insane inflation and gas prices exploding. Biden could do a lot to alleviate both of these problems, but hes not. Instead hes doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done. And he, and his party, are going to rightfully be punished for that this November. Biden turning into Carter 2.0 is going to pave the way for DeSantis to likely win in 2024. Possibly with huge majorities in the House and Senate. For all their talk about keeping the GOP out of power Democrats sure are doing everything they possible can to make sure that the GOP wins in a big way this year.

[stilgar]

See, it's what I said. People who vote for republicans will believe anything they are told.

[Master-Debater131]

CNN gets it. The higher the gas prices and the higher inflation gets the worse Democrats will do this November.  No other issue even comes close to touching the Economy as the issue this November.

 

 

 

[scoobdog]

58 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Yea, that the Economy largely sucks and Democrats are primarily to blame for that.

We are seeing insane inflation and gas prices exploding. Biden could do a lot to alleviate both of these problems, but hes not. Instead hes doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done. And he, and his party, are going to rightfully be punished for that this November. Biden turning into Carter 2.0 is going to pave the way for DeSantis to likely win in 2024. Possibly with huge majorities in the House and Senate. For all their talk about keeping the GOP out of power Democrats sure are doing everything they possible can to make sure that the GOP wins in a big way this year.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.  Tweedly-Dum isn't exactly Presidential material, even compared to Trump the Traitor.  But I digress...

We all know the fundamentals at play here... I'm simply pointing out that your weekly updates of the same thing don't serve much purpose, other than as a propaganda cudgel Rick Caruso would be proud of.

[rpgamer]

I mean, yeah, the conclusions aren't wrong, even if they're framed misleadingly. Of course the economy is shit, and of course everyone is going to blame the current administration. But you're deluding yourself if you're thinking the GOP would have any better solution to the problem other than "bail out the oil companies."

[rpgamer]

Relevant, here's what the guy Trump appointed to lead the Federal Reserve (and Biden re-nominated) has to say about how inflation could come down.

The Fed’s proposed solution: bring down wages.

[Master-Debater131]

 

 

This was a big vote last night that had a lot of eyes on it. The Progressive DA had been under a pretty constant barrage of attacks because of his soft on crime stance. Now, hes out.  The demographics this morning show that he lost among every single voting bloc except for rich progressive whites. Asians in particular delivered devastating results for him and voted overwhelmingly for the recall.

[scoobdog]

Just goes to show… people only care about social injustice when it directly affects them.

[Master-Debater131]

What it really shows is that people don't like it when their city turns into a lawless shit hole.

GTA is fun to play as a video game, not as a real life experience.

 

The same thing looks to be happening in LA.  It sure looks like a tough on crime candidate is going to be the mayor there after the primary last night showed him with a substantial lead. Hes going up against a rising progressive start who also took a soft on crime approach that has led to an explosion of crime and lawlessness in LA.

[scoobdog]

2 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

What it really shows is that people don't like it when their city turns into a lawless shit hole.

GTA is fun to play as a video game, not as a real life experience.

What it really shows is that people are reactionary.  Interestingly, one of the voting groups that helped propel Caruso into the runoff, black males, is the the group most affected by one of Caruso's principle platform points, getting more cops on the street.  He didn't advocate for more foot patrols, just more cops.  He also hasn't presented a cohesive plan for more homeless housing.

Also, cute comment about GTA from someone who doesn't know the first thing about California.  Kind of hard to take you seriously about what California voters think.

[Master-Debater131]

And he decided not to charge huge swaths of criminals which led to them being back on the street committing repeated crimes.

Hate crimes, including huge spike in attacks on Asians, increased as he continued to fail to prosecute these crimes. Smash and grabs are through the roof. There are countless videos online showing just how lawless SF has become.

People are wiling to tolerate a lot, but they arent willing to tolerate the general lawlessness that has grown in the name of "justice reform". The only ones who supported him were the wealthy white progressives. Everyone else has been negatively impacted by his decisions, and the voted to kick his ass out. The same story is being repeated in other places where lawlessness has grown under the guise of progressive politics.

[stilgar]

What kind of criminals?  What kind of crimes? Do you have proof the people who weren't charged committed more crimes?

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

And he decided not to charge huge swaths of criminals which led to them being back on the street committing repeated crimes.

Hate crimes, including huge spike in attacks on Asians, increased as he continued to fail to prosecute these crimes. Smash and grabs are through the roof. There are countless videos online showing just how lawless SF has become.

People are wiling to tolerate a lot, but they arent willing to tolerate the general lawlessness that has grown in the name of "justice reform". The only ones who supported him were the wealthy white progressives. Everyone else has been negatively impacted by his decisions, and the voted to kick his ass out. The same story is being repeated in other places where lawlessness has grown under the guise of progressive politics.

Right... you're getting your opinion from videos.

The problem with prosecutorial reform is that it doesn't work if the underlying metrics don't change.  Make no mistake, the reason violent robbery is up is because there are more people being economically marginalized.  Rents and property prices are unsustainable, wages weren't able to keep up with prices even before inflation, and general corporate greed has stood in the way of meaningful reforms.  Inflation now is the product of continued inaction on these points because we tended to favor artificially low prices instead of fixing the drivers of economic stability.

The point is that people are still tolerating a lot, they're just opting for easy answers to complicated problems by going after prosecutors instead of (figuratively) biting the bullet and taking a hit on their retirement accounts and property values by embracing universal rent control and wage and benefit reform for employees.

[Ginguy]

Heh.

So the Soros-backed son of actual domestic terrorists D.A. in San Fran got BTFO'd last night and in L.A. a Republican candidate running as a Democrat beat another lefty democrat candidate. Sure seems like there are cracks in Califailure, with a GOP candidate making the ballot for Statewide office as well. Will the State turn red, no. Will it even turn purple, no. Will it be fun to watch the inevitable infighting when more centrist candidates win local and State elections pushing the cringe fringe left out where they belong into obscurity, yeah.

 

Here is your view of the future, and remember it is because of the utter and complete failure of leftist policies and the dementia-riddled incompetence of former Vice-President Biden.

You brought this on yourselves. Get rekt.

 

[scoobdog]

Caruso paid $44million just to get into a run-off against someone who spent practically nothing.

[1pooh4u]

MTG retweets a Dr Lysol demanding to know why Twitter labeled it misleading. This is the woman that will win her seat back

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/07/marjorie-taylor-greene-outraged-by-parody-twitter-account-labeled-as-misleading/

[Master-Debater131]

32 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

MTG retweets a Dr Lysol demanding to know why Twitter labeled it misleading. This is the woman that will win her seat back

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/07/marjorie-taylor-greene-outraged-by-parody-twitter-account-labeled-as-misleading/

I think she has huffed too much lysol in her life.  Its zapped her of the precious few brain cells she had.

I cant make too many jokes though. bobo the clown is from my state......

[1pooh4u]

13 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

I think she has huffed too much lysol in her life.  Its zapped her of the precious few brain cells she had.

I cant make too many jokes though. bobo the clown is from my state......

The one who said something like “kids need to go to church not drag shows”?

 

she’s got some nerve considering the shit her husband has done. 

[Master-Debater131]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

The one who said something like “kids need to go to church not drag shows”?

 

she’s got some nerve considering the shit her husband has done. 

I honestly dont even listen to her.  Too much stupid stuff comes out of her mouth to track.

 

not just her husband either.  Her business past has some, lets just say, interesting tidbits in it.

[scoobdog]

18 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

I think she has huffed too much lysol in her life.  Its zapped her of the precious few brain cells she had.

I cant make too many jokes though. bobo the clown is from my state......

As long as she isn't from you district, have at it.  Also, if you want to make fun of California, never forget we are the ones that gifted the country with Devin Nunes.... and his cow.

[1pooh4u]

Just now, scoobdog said:

As long as she isn't from you district, have at it.  Also, if you want to make fun of California, never forget we are the ones that gifted the country with Devin Nunes.... and his cow.

I can’t even when my district gifted the nation Nicole Malliotakis.  She is a genius compared to BoBo, MTG, and Nunes  but still a dumb, lying, witch 

[Master-Debater131]

1 minute ago, scoobdog said:

As long as she isn't from you district, have at it.  Also, if you want to make fun of California, never forget we are the ones that gifted the country with Devin Nunes.... and his cow.

No, but I think after the latest redistricting her district borders mine.

 

No one can forget the cow. Didnt it have its own twitter handle for a while?

[scoobdog]

Just now, Master-Debater131 said:

No, but I think after the latest redistricting her district borders mine.

 

No one can forget the cow. Didnt it have its own twitter handle for a while?

It sure did.

[1pooh4u]

I think re districting saved Nicole’s ass cuz originally the district was redrawn in a way that she couldn’t possibly win. Now she probably will win it back cuz the district is still redrawn but done to include more conservative parts of Brooklyn 🙄

[stilgar]

6 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

As long as she isn't from you district, have at it.  Also, if you want to make fun of California, never forget we are the ones that gifted the country with Devin Nunes.... and his cow.

He fucked a cow?

[scoobdog]

42 minutes ago, stilgar said:

He fucked a cow?

No, the cow fucked him.

[stilgar]

Is he Mr. Hands?

[Master-Debater131]

6 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

No, the cow fucked him.

[scoobdog]

4 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Lol.  I can't wait until the cow makes an appearance on Truth Social.

 

[katt_goddess]

1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

The one who said something like “kids need to go to church not drag shows”?

 

If you want your kids to learn to hate one another, never ask questions about anything ever, and potentially get molestered - send them to church.

If you want them to see every color in the promised rainbow, people existing for people, and people coming together to support others in times of personal crisis without passing a plate around - go to a drag show. 

[DBAss]

1 hour ago, katt_goddess said:

If you want your kids to learn to hate one another, never ask questions about anything ever, and potentially get molestered - send them to church.

If you want them to see every color in the promised rainbow, people existing for people, and people coming together to support others in times of personal crisis without passing a plate around - go to a drag show. 

That post is incredibly biased and opinionated.

[katt_goddess]

1 hour ago, DBAss said:

That post is incredibly biased and opinionated.

It's also based on facts from my own life since I've likely gone to more church than most of the people on these boards combined [ as well as large portions of the politicians running for offices as R ] and served as a witness for an underground same-sex wedding back when they could only be underground. I still have the t-shirt from that night - it has a little name tag on it that says 'Hello I am the Queen of the F-ing Universe'. No matter how many bibble verses I was expected to memorize, I never got a t-shirt. 

[Nablonsky]

The totality of the Dems' failure over the last year and a half is jaw dropping, and of course it starts at the top of the Biden admin, where no part let alone the whole of the fake "build back better" agenda was ever an actual priority. Biden is a decrepit conservative corpse, just like the DNC and its hyper-rich donors who he represents. 

Cry about the rotating villains assigned to block the fanfiction legislation that was only ever meant to serve as sheepherding campaign fodder all you want, but at some point you have to show you actually care by doing something about it. And no, you don't in fact need any votes in Congress to do a great many of the things that simply aren't being done. 

Dems will lose because Dems are losers. Sorry, wish it weren't the case but we know by now that this is pathological. This is who they are. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/09/bernie-sanders-democrats-midterms-00038183

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As the progressive Vermonter, not one to mince words, put it in an interview on Tuesday: “You really can’t win an election with a bumper sticker that says: ‘Well, we can’t do much, but the other side is worse.’”

Sanders isn’t exactly Berning it all down. He’s not calling for a primary challenge to Biden or weighing in on whether the president should run for reelection. But he is trying to enlist the president in his effort to nationalize the Senate and House races.

Biden has already embraced some of Sanders’ arguments. The president asked Americans alarmed by mass shootings to “turn your outrage into making this issue central to your vote,” advised voters to “elect more pro-choice senators” in May, noted in January that “48 of the 50 Democrats vote with me on everything” and said Democrats could come back with larger majorities next year to pass “Build Back Better.”

Sanders wants an even more sustained focus from Biden, advising him to say “I want to raise the minimum wage, I want to deal with Medicare, I want to deal with housing, I want to deal with climate, I can’t do it. I need more votes.” Sanders also is leaning on Biden to do as much as he can through executive action on those issues.

The White House did not respond to Sanders’ comments.

Without his prescribed pivot, Sanders fears the worst for the Democratic Party, in which he twice sought the presidential nomination. He said “the enthusiasm level within the Democratic base is extremely low. And it’s not only working class support that is fading away.”

Young, Hispanic, Asian-American and Black voters are all drifting away from Democrats, he warned: “Unless we turn around, the voter turnout is going to be very, very low on the Democratic base.”

 

Edited June 9, 2022 by Nablonsky