1pooh4u Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Did democrats hold the senate? i heard the democrat won in NV but can’t confirm yet through news sources 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PhilosipherStoned Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) I didn't really allow myself to look at the damn ordinance on the ballot, and jammed the button to vote against pretty fast since I believe it even showed the amount and demo of those for and against at that point for whatever reason..The topic was repealling ordinances granting abortion rights and making my city..At least I hope just the city a 'safe haven for the unborn'... I felt good that I had a print out of all the shit I voted for at the digital polls then a lady said she needed the print out to run through another machine before the vote was counted. I jest, but for a minute there a felt like my all dem ballot was probably just getting ran through a shredder at that point.. When your polling locations are literal republican safe havens.. I really wish they'd allow or provide a print out of your ballot if were gonna start bounty hunting women looking for abortions...(not what that shit even read it was vague as hell, and just plainly said repeal this blah blah blah number ordinance to make this a safe haven for the unborn please blah blah blah).. Maybe it was the senate bill 8 thing not even sure though since I got kind of pissed about the way it read and just slammed against.. Edited November 13, 2022 by PhilosipherStoned NEed to do another deep dive into my states Prolife crusade I guess.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 It’s official. Democrats hold the Senate. GOP Twitter demands voting age is raised to 30. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Top Gun Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Dat red tinkle doe. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Top Gun said: Dat red tinkle doe. They're elephants they'll stomp it out themsleves... Spoiler Ok so that's an old naturalist explorer myth involving rhinos that has no scientific credibility but they don't know that probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PhilosipherStoned Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Raptorpat said: So in other words the odds are still pretty much in favor of a replublican congressional majority even though most of the media is firing out reports of a blue... idk what you would call it anyway, but wave doesn't describe either party for sure. Polls don't look anywhere near as celebratory for democrats as a lot of news pieces I've been snacking on have suggested though I agree. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2022-results-house-senate-congress-control/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Whats remarkable is that so far not a single incumbent Senator or Governor has lost. I cannot remember another time when that has happened. Americans basically looked at their options, hated everything, and just went with the status quo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Phil I am not going to explain the historical context to you of the party in the White House nearly running the table federally and in nearly every statehouse (save like FL, NY, and IA) even if the House barely flips, given the prior expectations. BUT ANYWAYS, MOVING ON 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Whats remarkable is that so far not a single incumbent Senator or Governor has lost. I cannot remember another time when that has happened. Americans basically looked at their options, hated everything, and just went with the status quo. That's an interesting statistic, considering none of the people on my ballot were incumbent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Phil I am not going to explain the historical context to you of the party in the White House nearly running the table federally and in nearly every statehouse (save like FL, NY, and IA) even if the House barely flips, given the prior expectations. BUT ANYWAYS, MOVING ON Just saying it's not looking like democrats are gonna hold the majority of congress when I cross reference all these fucking polls and your post seemed to put odds in the republicans favor as well but whatevs. There's still unfinished business either way. I get there's a democratic president but from what I've been led to believe midterms ALWAYS favor the opposing party of the administration in office so...? Whatever nevermind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) Sigh.. I'm not sure how we are having a failure to communicate either. Basically this. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-presidents-party-almost-always-has-a-bad-midterm/ and maybe the post where I quoted you somehow led you to believe I was confused about the history and social norms held over midterms? Edited November 13, 2022 by PhilosipherStoned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Sigh.. I'm not sure how we are having a failure to communicate either. Basically this. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-presidents-party-almost-always-has-a-bad-midterm/ and maybe the post where I quoted you led you to believe I was confused about the history and social norms held over midterms? The basic translation of the posts here so far is that yes, 'R' was going to get something due to the whole opposites at midterms thing. However, the so-called 'Red Wave' that was being trumpeted did not happen at all, what gains happened were bare minimum and now you have all the sore losers crying foul. Also, even if R has the House, it's going to be horrifically tiny with literally every single vote being needed to pass anything against something that is seen to benefit any dems. Right now, the entirety of the GOP couldn't vote a majority on which toilet paper to stock in the congressional toilets. And these were the ones expecting to take over both the house and the senate in order to be complete douchecobs. Now, they'll only be able to do what they usually do anyway which is to obstruct everything and blame the other side for things being crappy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: The basic translation of the posts here so far is that yes, 'R' was going to get something due to the whole opposites at midterms thing. However, the so-called 'Red Wave' that was being trumpeted did not happen at all, what gains happened were bare minimum and now you have all the sore losers crying foul. Also, even if R has the House, it's going to be horrifically tiny with literally every single vote being needed to pass anything against something that is seen to benefit any dems. Right now, the entirety of the GOP couldn't vote a majority on which toilet paper to stock in the congressional toilets. And these were the ones expecting to take over both the house and the senate in order to be complete douchecobs. Now, they'll only be able to do what they usually do anyway which is to obstruct everything and blame the other side for things being crappy. Ok that's where I have to admit some uncertainty with the entirety of the whole midterm outcome because I've been knee deep in my own fucked state for one my bad....Dems do win majority of the senate..barely? I'm looking at polls half tipsi in my defense, but yeah for one party to have majority of senate their would need to be 51 in that party ok I think I get that much now after looking at my cbs link again but meh. Great news, but after watching so many congressional hearings with Trump as pres..psssh. Idk... senators and congress flip flopping all over the place unexpectedly. Lol I get it now though thanks. This basically puts democrats in the same place republicans were when basically everyone wanted Trump tarred and feathered, but the senate saved him right.. Am I wrong in saying just a couple of senators going against their parties wishes for whatever reason makes that null anyway though? Whatever I guess.. As someone that wouldn't give a fuck about politics anyway if the last like decade hadn't persuaded me otherwise it still doesn't seem that impressive of a win for democrats, but if you guys say so ok. Edited November 13, 2022 by PhilosipherStoned Still leaves me thinking theres plenty of room for shenanigans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 hours ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Ok that's where I have to admit some uncertainty with the entirety of the whole midterm outcome because I've been knee deep in my own fucked state for one my bad....Dems do win majority of the senate..barely? I'm looking at polls half tipsi in my defense, but yeah for one party to have majority of senate their would need to be 51 in that party ok I think I get that much now after looking at my cbs link again but meh. Great news, but after watching so many congressional hearings with Trump as pres..psssh. Idk... senators and congress flip flopping all over the place unexpectedly. Lol I get it now though thanks. This basically puts democrats in the same place republicans were when basically everyone wanted Trump tarred and feathered, but the senate saved him right.. Am I wrong in saying just a couple of senators going against their parties wishes for whatever reason makes that null anyway though? Whatever I guess.. As someone that wouldn't give a fuck about politics anyway if the last like decade hadn't persuaded me otherwise it still doesn't seem that impressive of a win for democrats, but if you guys say so ok. Another thing to take into account is even some of the Republicans fucking HATE each other (see: "So what should we replace Obamacare with?") and now we might also have moderates, for what that means now, that think "I could probably at least take votes away from Trump and/or DeSantis in a primary" when the Presidential races actually start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Thank you everyone for not making Georgia have to save democracy again. Still DO NOT WANT HERSCHEL REPRESENTING ME, but at least a lot of the pressure is off. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I wonder if the pressure being off is going to wind up benefiting Warnock. Now Walker's camp can't use the whole "vote for him to take the Senate!" angle to drive turnout. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Top Gun said: I wonder if the pressure being off is going to wind up benefiting Warnock. Now Walker's camp can't use the whole "vote for him to take the Senate!" angle to drive turnout. Some pundits think the lack of stakes will allow the GOP to leave Walker high and dry, which helps along the Trump divorce proceedings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SwimModSponges Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 https://www.newsweek.com/kari-lake-supporters-reenact-biblical-battle-jericho-maricopa-protest-1759158 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) I'm not as convinced about CO03. Bo Bo the Clown has seen her lead drop as people cure their ballots. The latest count is her lead is just about 1k, but there's roughly 9k ballots that can be cured. Theres also overseas ballots that can come in through Wednesday. As long as they are post-marked in their country by election day, and received within 8 days of the election, then they count. Edited November 14, 2022 by Master-Debater131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I read somewhere that she won't be able to vote for speaker because her race isn't called and she might lose. Not going to happen but what would happen if they had a one-seat majority and she couldn't vote for speaker? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 That actually seems like a pretty serious flaw in electing a speaker. If you cant vote because your race isn't called, whats stopping less ethical districts from simply not calling a race if it hurts "the other side"? I also thought they wont vote on speaker until the new House is sat, which isn't until next year right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: That actually seems like a pretty serious flaw in electing a speaker. If you cant vote because your race isn't called, whats stopping less ethical districts from simply not calling a race if it hurts "the other side"? I also thought they wont vote on speaker until the new House is sat, which isn't until next year right? I would assume that's if a court challenge can negate a number of votes equal-to-or-greater than her margin of victory after the race is certified. They're not going to seat someone who's "won" a race that could be overturned in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I think they can seat people in that case, I've seen in happened in NY where one guy was seated in the Senate and then unseated a week later after a recount flipped it by 12 votes. The problem is the very tight tight margin of control of the chamber where that would actually affect things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 https://kdvr.com/news/politics/election/third-party-vote-split-district-8-other-races-in-colorado/ Interesting breakdown of local races where the 3rd party candidate impacted the outcome of the election. Ive seen some people online blaming the Libertarian candidates for why the GOP lost. To which I answer, dont nominate such shit candidates and I wouldnt have to vote 3rd party. If you stood for something more than giving Trump a blowy then this wouldnt have happened. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 I have a hard time believing they wont seat her before the Speaker election happens. She is still leading, and even though its a tight margin, I dont really see how she loses unless something truly remarkable happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Next elections states will make sure ballots won’t be able to be fixed if that’s what pushes democrats to win. In Boebert’s district I heard ballots were being set aside for any dumb bullshit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Raptorpat said: I think they can seat people in that case, I've seen in happened in NY where one guy was seated in the Senate and then unseated a week later after a recount flipped it by 12 votes. The problem is the very tight tight margin of control of the chamber where that would actually affect things. That must have been embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 2 hours ago, scoobdog said: That must have been embarrassing. What was even more embarrassing was that the Senate Republicans had specifically created a new, hand-tailored district for him to run in to prop up their bare majority and he lost (he won it two years later). Had the record for shortest serving senator. https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/It-s-Tkaczyk-by-just-18-votes-4205383.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seight Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Raptorpat said: The other Republicans: "SHIT, OUR ENTIRE PLAN WAS TO DO NOTHING!" 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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matrixman124 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 GOP made a lot of inroads in NY and CA. Not a very big surprise. I heard the Dems did a terrible job campaigning in NY. And CA has its share of whackos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 NY was a wombo-combo of court-ordered redistricting plus the state party just like sitting on its hands, which together cost the national Democrats control of the House. As much as partisans bitch about maps drawn by an out-of-state special master appointed by a Republican judge, all five of the competitive seats were at least slightly D-leaning. But the state party did nothing to earn any of those seats, just like last year when the redistricting, absentee, and early voting referenda all failed because the state party did nothing to promote them. It would have been six seats, but Pat Ryan (who won the special election in August) barely squeaked through a win in the "real" Maloney seat (that he abandoned out of self-preservation to push Mondaire Jones out of a slightly bluer seat, which he subsequently lost). All that being said, NY will be a major focus next cycle with at least half a dozen swing opportunities in a presidential year where there are slightly larger factors beyond how little the state party is contributing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: GOP made a lot of inroads in NY and CA. Not a very big surprise. I heard the Dems did a terrible job campaigning in NY. And CA has its share of whackos Excuse me… CA45 is my district as of the last census. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 6 hours ago, Raptorpat said: How many days until he's backpedaled on the whole functional country and needing to govern thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 6 hours ago, scoobdog said: Excuse me… CA45 is my district as of the last census. I mean obviously it's not all whackos but enough to vote in the Republican 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 5 hours ago, naraku360 said: How many days until he's backpedaled on the whole functional country and needing to govern thing? Its probably a pressure thing for when the crazy wing tries to leverage concessions out of McCarthy, moreso than to be taken literally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/us-intelligence-russia-withdrawal-midterm-election/index.html Russia didn't want to retreat because it would hurt Republican chances in the midterms. Crazy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/us-intelligence-russia-withdrawal-midterm-election/index.html Russia didn't want to retreat because it would hurt Republican chances in the midterms. Crazy. Spread the losing feeling, I guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 its not over yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 7 hours ago, matrixman124 said: I mean obviously it's not all whackos but enough to vote in the Republican Well, not exactly. In CA45's case, Michelle Steele is a fucking cunt who knows how to exploit the Vietnamese and Southeast Asian communities i northwestern Orange County by red baiting. Those people are rightly afraid of "communist" authoritarianism and she exploited. Plus, she speaks like she's in a special ed class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poofy Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 5 hours ago, SwimModSponges said: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/us-intelligence-russia-withdrawal-midterm-election/index.html Russia didn't want to retreat because it would hurt Republican chances in the midterms. Crazy. complex systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, scoobdog said: Well, not exactly. In CA45's case, Michelle Steele is a fucking cunt who knows how to exploit the Vietnamese and Southeast Asian communities i northwestern Orange County by red baiting. Those people are rightly afraid of "communist" authoritarianism and she exploited. Plus, she speaks like she's in a special ed class. That's a lot of folks she was able to trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 59 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: That's a lot of folks she was able to trick It’s one of the largest southeastern Asian communities in the country, dating back to the Vietnam War. The rest are white Orange County folk that are happy to fuck over minorities. I wish I was still in Linda Sanchez’s distrust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 DDHQ is the first outfit to officially call it. They are pretty spot on with these things, being the first to call it for Biden as well. Now its just a question of how much of a majority does the GOP get, and how quickly does the infighting begin. Oh, wait, thats already started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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