2022 Midterms: Oh god, not again

[NewBluntsworth]

15 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

You know what, Nabs? I'm very sorry for having a family crisis last night. I know, I should've paid attention to the real important shit like a shitty Biden speech.

You're right, I should've cared more about that than my mom and brother's living situation.

I really am sorry about this that stuff is so stressful. I wish there was a place on this board where it felt appropriate and safe to talk about this stuff. I've posted some about my family members in crisis and caring about their living situations, I know how it feels for it to dominate your thoughts and to want to express what you're feeling about it, or to just get it out there that you are dealing with something like that. I hope everything is ok. 

Don't really have a point I guess but I didn't want to ignore this just because it's in the dumb election thread in the dumb politics folder on the failing anime forum. 

[naraku360]

12 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

All I'm gonna say in response to your posts is that my commentary was on what I see from Democrats *generally* on every 1:1 Trump-Biden comparison, whether it's on policy or wrestling promo theatrics or whatever else.

Your post exemplified it pretty perfectly. It's like-- Biden puts more kids in cages, blue maga cries "but trump did family separation" or "Trump did it more racistly by fearmongering about caravans."

Someone says something about Biden being flanked by ominous goons and giving a fucked looking speech straight off WWE TV with The Fiend lighting talking about "the soul of the nation" making them uncomfortable and reminding them of the last President who everyone hated when he did something similar and immediately it's "ok but has he done a coup or stolen any nUcLeaR dOcUMenTs lately??!??!!!?!//!!??!?/"

I didn't even know he gave a speech last night until this morning man, I'm sorry your family is going through things, we're all dealing with our personal shit, don't like get upset over nothing. 

No, that's an assumption about my intent.

Remember when you were ranting about the deep state and I questioned you on it? You got mad at me for asking obvious questions, but those questions were to get to the underlying point. You used the phrase "deep state" incorrectly as a deep state is an agency not officially recognized by the government, disqualifying an agency such as the CIA from the term since it is an officially recognized agency. I asked questions because Alex Jones types, and the GOP as a whole, use "deep state" as codified antisemitism. Instead of assuming that to be the intent, I asked for clarification and it was easy enough to come to the conclusion it was not. At no point did I accuse you of being antisemitic because I didn't know if that was the intention, so I verified before alleging anything. On that subject, had I not done so, you very easily could've been dogpiled for it. I outright prevented the possibility.

I simply ask for the same courtesy.

Edited September 2, 2022 by naraku360

[naraku360]

3 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Oh no, Im not comparing Speech to Trump in totality. Im comparing Biden speech to Trump speech and pointing out that what Biden did last night is the same crap that Trump did.

Biden has taken a firm step on the same path that Trump created. Is he as bad as Trump? No, not as of today.  But he sure took a step down that same slippery slope.

Fair enough. I'll have to see the speech, but a Biden speech being uncomfortably fascistic really would come as no surprise.

[NewBluntsworth]

1 minute ago, naraku360 said:

No, that's an assumption about my intent.

I did not speculate on intent, in fact in my og post I attributed it to your subconscious - 

45 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

This is how the Overton window works in the minds of Democrats.

Trump does something crazy, everybody scream. Biden does something similar, everybody sleep because Trump guy done ten crazier things since then.

Or people defend it because it was bad when Trump did it but good now that Biden is doing it in response to Trump doing it.

Now it is normalized, the Overton window has shifted in the minds of Democrats, and now the thing itself is not so crazy anymore. 

[discolé monade]

13 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

The point Im trying to make is that it isnt necessarily what he said so much as the context of where, how,  and when he said it.

 

Candidate Biden - "MAGA is a threat!" - totally OK

Political Biden "MAGA is a threat!" - totally OK

POTUS Biden with Military members as a prop and using a prime time address - "MAGA is a threat!" - Not ok.

You arent supposed to use the platform of POTUS to demonize entire swaths of this country. Trump did that early on, I was told where it would end, I ignored it, and then we had January 6th.  Looking back there is a direct line between Trumps crap early on and January 6th. Now Biden is stepping on that same exact slippery slope and the people who freaked at Trump are treating it like its no big deal. After all the crap Trump pulled its a little crazy watching people turn a blind eye to Biden taking steps down that exact same path.

i do not disagree. and i find it comical that the marines are at 'rest' with hands in front. i guess to give the impression of.....something?

but, at this point, does any of this matter in the grand scheme of things? 

 

 

[SwimModSponges]

Its the worst thing thats ever happened in American history.

[Master-Debater131]

6 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

i do not disagree. and i find it comical that the marines are at 'rest' with hands in front. i guess to give the impression of.....something?

but, at this point, does any of this matter in the grand scheme of things? 

 

 

Its the same crap Trump pulled when he used the military as a prop. "LOOK HOW STRONG I AM! MILITARY! RAWWWRRRRR!!!"

 

Honestly, no.  Were so fucked its almost funny.  The divisions we have arent getting fixed anytime soon, and maybe not even peacefully.

[SwimModSponges]

"When the republicans start killing people more often they will be justified because democrats are just as divisive."

[naraku360]

26 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

I did not speculate on intent, in fact in my og post I attributed it to your subconscious - 

Trump does something crazy, everybody scream. Biden does something similar, everybody sleep because Trump guy done ten crazier things since then.

Or people defend it because it was bad when Trump did it but good now that Biden is doing it in response to Trump doing it.

Now it is normalized, the Overton window has shifted in the minds of Democrats, and now the thing itself is not so crazy anymore. 

Nabs, my dude, keep in mind that we're generally in agreement on the bulk of issues. Biden’s surely done enough for any government with proper checks and balances to remove him from office. He's a very bad president.

The only major point of contention we have fundamentally is that I don't believe a 3rd party to be especially viable within the current system. I absolutely want a 3rd party, I just don't know by what avenue it can be achieved. I know voting Democrat isn't ideal and I don't want to support the party on a national scale (some of my local reps are pretty good, though). Overhauling the party from inside is a longshot, but I don't know what alternative there may be. I mean, maybe we'd disagree on Russia vs Ukraine, but honestly my grasp on foreign policy is a point of embarrassment.

Also, yes, the Overton window has moved in an unfortunate direction. We agree on that.

Edited September 2, 2022 by naraku360

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

1 hour ago, NewBluntsworth said:

don't like get upset over nothing. 

That is literally all you ever do, and have done for, what, two years?

[NewBluntsworth]

2 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

That is literally all you ever do, and have done for, what, two years?

I think you must have me mistaken. 

[1pooh4u]

56 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Its the worst thing thats ever happened in American history.

Persecution fetish on clear display 

 

 

[SwimModSponges]

We know what fear does to groups.

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

16 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Persecution fetish on clear display 

 

 

I guess he now knows how Mexicans and Muslims felt by Trump speeches.

[rpgamer]

Fascists are awful quick to cry fascism when they are the target. We've been over this before. You don't fight fascism by playing nice with them.

[Sawdy]

8 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Fascists are awful quick to cry fascism when they are the target. We've been over this before. You don't fight fascism by playing nice with them.

Yep… and guess who had to photoshop?

Edited September 2, 2022 by Sawdy

[Top Gun]

2 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

Its the worst thing thats ever happened in American history.

That dude's Twitter feed is the living breathing embodiment of Poe's law.

[Sawdy]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pennsylvania-offers-a-one-time-pardon-application-for-select-lower-level-marijuana-convictions/

[SwimModSponges]

[1pooh4u]

I’m listening to the Biden speech now and is he referring to politicians or prvt citizens when he says “MAGA republicans are a threat” even if he’s referring to pvt citizens where is the lie?  How is this being compared to anything Trump has said and done. Trump was scapegoating, using imaginary villains.  MAGA politicians and the cult of Trump are a threat.  They don’t care about the constitution and they treat it like a Bible, picking and choosing what’s important to them. They run on policies that just aren’t policies at all but rather just to incite violence against “rinos” they spread lies about how democrats want to take away guns and take away freedom while they support  bills that would allow state legislatures to select electors that would vote contrary to the way in which the people voted. The SC is gonna hear a case now and probably allow laws like this to happen 

I don’t see the lies in what he’s saying and I don’t see what the issue is. He tried to come together but now he knows there’s no working with them.  

[discolé monade]

16 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

I’m listening to the Biden speech now and is he referring to politicians or prvt citizens when he says “MAGA republicans are a threat” even if he’s referring to pvt citizens where is the lie?  How is this being compared to anything Trump has said and done. Trump was scapegoating, using imaginary villains.  MAGA politicians and the cult of Trump are a threat.  They don’t care about the constitution and they treat it like a Bible, picking and choosing what’s important to them. They run on policies that just aren’t policies at all but rather just to incite violence against “rinos” they spread lies about how democrats want to take away guns and take away freedom while they support  bills that would allow state legislatures to select electors that would vote contrary to the way in which the people voted. The SC is gonna hear a case now and probably allow laws like this to happen 

I don’t see the lies in what he’s saying and I don’t see what the issue is. He tried to come together but now he knows there’s no working with them.  

exactly. 

"he said, what he said"

but the argument NEEDS to happen for the other side *doesn't even matter which, at this point*, because reasons. 

[Sawdy]

This is why they focus on the aesthetics of the presentation and compare him to Star Wars…. He didn’t say anything wrong… the optics is what they are focusing on

[Sawdy]

But at least he didn’t say “we are all domestic terrorists” without the /s

[1pooh4u]

I don’t see what he said as being the same as what Trump or any Trump Republican has said.  
Trump and his pals spread lies, incite violence, still deny a fair election took place, pass laws that restrict voting, abortion rights, and parental rights, but somehow the problem is a POTUS calling out the bullshit during a speech to the nation?  That’s strictly campaign talk? Yeah, idk about that. Finally calling out a serious problem after 2 years of attempting unification is the huge problem?

the backdrop was terrible idk who chose red, or why, but if people are trying to say that Biden is an equal a threat as Trump, or a threat at all, that’s bullshit

[1pooh4u]

Now I know we got people that think the threat is nonsense because it’s only a few people holding office in a couple of states but that ignores the fact that each election another bat shit bananas politician takes a seat. Won’t be long before they become seriously disruptive and then eventually influence policy. It’s already happening. 

[Ginguy]

So, former Vice-President Biden is already walking back his speech. Not even 24 hours before he realized that calling half the country "semi-fascists" is a bad move. Too bad Dems, you're stuck with it, and the inflation, high food prices, high gas prices, foreign policy disasters, high unemployment, labor shortages (it takes a real galaxy brain to have both), impending housing crisis, rampant crime, rampant human and drug trafficking, school grooming that were already weighing on your party.

 

 

 

 

 

[stilgar]

Lol, this fascist apologist thinks half the country are maga rats.

[SwimModSponges]

He's going to get another chance and he's still going to go for option D.

[PenguinBoss]

2 hours ago, stilgar said:

Lol, this fascist apologist thinks half the country are maga rats.

"Every Republican must be like me."

[Top Gun]

Hey.

Hey @Ginguy.

Have you figured out yet that we're not complete motherfucking idiots like most of the GOP voterbase?

Because here's a secret.

We're not.

Cry moar.

[Seight]

4 hours ago, Ginguy said:

So, former Vice-President Biden is already walking back his speech. Not even 24 hours before he realized that calling half the country "semi-fascists" is a bad move. Too bad Dems, you're stuck with it, and the inflation, high food prices, high gas prices, foreign policy disasters, high unemployment, labor shortages (it takes a real galaxy brain to have both), impending housing crisis, rampant crime, rampant human and drug trafficking, school grooming that were already weighing on your party.

 

 

 

 

 

*Le Moderate Republicans have not arrived, apparently*

[SwimModSponges]

"Grooming"

[Sawdy]

[SwimModSponges]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/06/politics/surveillance-video-voting-machine-breach-coffee-county-georgia/index.html

Republicans will cheat to steal the 2022 elections. 

They will call democrats hypocrites.

They will do what they have falsely accused the other side of doing, and will get away with it.

They're fascists. 

All of them.

[stilgar]

Tell us something we don't know.

[SwimModSponges]

We have a good amount of fosilized octopi but the emergence of squid has been difficult to pinpoint because they have ammonia in their bodies to maintain buoyancy, and when they die the ammonia disolves most of the remains.

[naraku360]

On 9/3/2022 at 11:03 AM, Ginguy said:

So, former Vice-President Biden is already walking back his speech. Not even 24 hours before he realized that calling half the country "semi-fascists" is a bad move. Too bad Dems, you're stuck with it, and the inflation, high food prices, high gas prices, foreign policy disasters, high unemployment, labor shortages (it takes a real galaxy brain to have both), impending housing crisis, rampant crime, rampant human and drug trafficking, school grooming that were already weighing on your party.

 

 

 

 

 

@Sawdy can you ask him to define "school grooming"?

Edited September 6, 2022 by naraku360

[stilgar]

12 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

@Sawdy can you ask him to define "school grooming"?

You know, admitting that lgbta+ people exist.

[cyberbully]

Is there a critical race theory thread that wasnt archived with rants. 

Dont want to put the article here if there is because it really has nothing to do with midterms

[scoobdog]

18 minutes ago, cyberbully said:

Is there a critical race theory thread that wasnt archived with rants. 

Dont want to put the article here if there is because it really has nothing to do with midterms

I don't think we have a new critical race theory thread.

[cyberbully]

3 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

I don't think we have a new critical race theory thread.

Ugh....i really dont want to start one because id just as soon not discuss it here but i had an article about our governor saying natives are blowing it out of proportion.....he said this as the governor on native land. 

But i meant to post it last week when he said it and just found the bookmark....meh, it can die...fuck it

[SwimModSponges]

Dr. Oz's daughters don't want to have sex with him due to his smell.

[NewBluntsworth]

4 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

Dr. Oz's daughters don't want to have sex with him due to his smell.

Stray thoughts - The Democrats would rather try to work with a Senate that includes Dr Oz and Tommy Tuberville than abolish the filibuster or add more senators let alone abolish the Senate. This is why Dr Oz's America is winning. Cheeseburger football government. 

[scoobdog]

2 hours ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Stray thoughts - The Democrats would rather try to work with a Senate that includes Dr Oz and Tommy Tuberville than abolish the filibuster or add more senators let alone abolish the Senate. This is why Dr Oz's America is winning. Cheeseburger football government. 

Not topical.

[SwimModSponges]

American citizens: "Hey, maybe AOC should run for president."

AOC (paraphrased): "What, do I look like someone who want to get shot? Because that's how people get shot." 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-president-campaign-2024-b2161777.html

[Seight]

12 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

Dr. Oz's daughters don't want to have sex with him due to his smell.

Aide *whispering*: "No remember, you're running for office in Pennsylvania, not the South. Dummy."

[1pooh4u]

14 minutes ago, Seight said:

Aide *whispering*: "No remember, you're running for office in Pennsylvania, not the South. Dummy."

He must’ve had one too many tequilas after his crudités 

[stilgar]

His daughters hates the smell of Wegners guacamole. 

[Top Gun]

2 hours ago, Seight said:

Aide *whispering*: "No remember, you're running for office in Pennsylvania, not the South. Dummy."

Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in-between.

[stilgar]

And Pittsburgh may as well be Ohio.