Alright thats it.

[PurgatoryGirl]

6 hours ago, Poof said:

Why are people so obsessed with anime?

Japanese animation is very broad. People, especially adults with narrow-minded views automatically believe it's Japanese cartoons meant for little boys.

All the while, those same narrow-minded people will be quick to bum rush kids to the movie theaters to go see the latest animated movie by Disney.

Before Anime was ever created, there was Manga. Originally, Manga or Japanese comics and comic books started as being political cartoons, during the 1920's and '30s. In fact, Mecha Manga which is very political, was the beginning of Manga.

Over time, Japanese comics and animation evolved into other genres and sub-genres meant for a wide variety of demographics. There is Anime and Manga meant for children, teenage boys, teenage girls, men and women of different sexual orientations, and so on.

Unlike some Anime fans, I am not obsessed with it. However, I do enjoy watching animation in general especially Japanese animation.

I enjoy watching Slice Of Life, Comedy, Action, Supernatural, Horror, Drama, Music, and Romance Anime meant for different genders, age groups, sub-cultures, sexual orientations, hobbies, interests, etc. It is also fascinating to explore Japanese culture, religions, and entertainment through animation.

Honestly, it is much more entertaining than what qualifies as "entertainment" today here in America. I don't want to watch Reality TV on every local, cable, and satellite network, much less watch, listen, and read complaining for the sake of complaining ad nauseam.

I want to be entertained. Not bored to death, especially by a bunch of complainers. Talk about a mood killer.

Edited March 7, 2018 by PurgatoryGirl

[Poof]

4 hours ago, PurgatoryGirl said:

Japanese animation is very broad. People, especially adults with narrow-minded views automatically believe it's Japanese cartoons meant for little boys.

All the while, those same narrow-minded people will be quick to bum rush kids to the movie theaters to go see the latest animated movie by Disney.

Before Anime was ever created, there was Manga. Originally, Manga or Japanese comics and comic books started as being political cartoons, during the 1920's and '30s. In fact, Mecha Manga which is very political, was the beginning of Manga.

Over time, Japanese comics and animation evolved into other genres and sub-genres meant for a wide variety of demographics. There is Anime and Manga meant for children, teenage boys, teenage girls, men and women of different sexual orientations, and so on.

Unlike some Anime fans, I am not obsessed with it. However, I do enjoy watching animation in general especially Japanese animation.

I enjoy watching Slice Of Life, Comedy, Action, Supernatural, Horror, Drama, Music, and Romance Anime meant for different genders, age groups, sub-cultures, sexual orientations, hobbies, interests, etc. It is also fascinating to explore Japanese culture, religions, and entertainment through animation.

Honestly, it is much more entertaining than what qualifies as "entertainment" today here in America. I don't want to watch Reality TV on every local, cable, and satellite network, much less watch, listen, and read complaining for the sake of complaining ad nauseam.

I want to be entertained. Not bored to death, especially by a bunch of complainers. Talk about a mood killer.

You know theres more than reality TV here in america

[Poof]

6 hours ago, StarPanda said:

Because it's kawaii asf

YOU DONT PUT THE S U JUST PUT THE AF RUHH RUHH

[Poof]

6 hours ago, Rogue_Alphonse said:

Ya know, before I replied to this I actually was going to.

 

Now you see why I didn't.

You dont think i can take the heat? I can do it. You dont know. Ill fight the anime fans

Edited March 7, 2018 by Poof

[Poof]

7 hours ago, 1938 Packard said:

You haven't seen enough anime, then.  Try Hell Girl.  (Jigoku Shoujo)

Plenty of complicated people... with some out of this world demon action tossed in.

PACKERD ILL RUB MY SHIT ALL OVER THE WALLS OF YOUR CASINO RIGHT AFTER I COUNT AND COUNT AND COUNT AND COUNT THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR BJ TABLES BC ITS LEGAL IN NJ

[Poof]

8 hours ago, Ginguy said:

I thought anime fans caught shade because they are fat neckbeards who hide from the sun....

I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm saying that the kinds of stories that anime feature have elements which are either extremely difficult or expensive to convey in a live action format.

It is much easier to animate a bunch of dragons and orcs and tentacle rape slugs in an anime format than it is to film actors interacting and then add those fantasy elements in during editing. You can add in those elements in a show like Game of Thrones or Westworld, but those are expensive to do. It is easier to animate in an anime format, not to mention cheaper. If you cheap out in the live action, you end up looking like a crappy Syfy original movie where you can tell the sharktopus is fake.

Their mouths just open and close

[Kudasai]

For me personally I like anime because it's where I can find action shows. Action cartoons are pretty much dead in America so that's where anime comes in and fills that void. 

Edited March 12, 2018 by Kudasai

[Poof]

8 hours ago, NSAID said:

It plays itself to a certain set of oft crippling mental definencies more than medical crime dramas (which I also watch) and cooking based competitions (these too), to the point where it's easier to just keep watching it.

Thats not it! I found a baller w/a scholarship and an 11 inch dick who i found at the best club in town. Then when I went over his house he was building a magic the gathering deck and watching anime. He certainly wasnt socially deficient. Tho he made me watch him select memes for 2 hours once that was an ordeal...

[Poof]

6 minutes ago, Thrak said:

For me personally I like anime because it's where I can find action shows. Action cartoons are pretty much dead in America so that's where anime comes and fills that void. 

Thats a very sensible answer. But what about other genres besides action?

[Poof]

8 hours ago, Adminderaptorpat said:

I bet if I moved this to the anime folder, you'd get reported for trolling

wouldn't be the first time

Just make me mod for a day then they can report me to me and ill tell them whats up

[Poof]

8 hours ago, mochi said:

because for better or worse it's fun to watch

So are other things. I watch anime. Im talking obsession

[Kudasai]

2 minutes ago, Poof said:

Thats a very sensible answer. But what about other genres besides action?

I'll watch a slice of life or a comedy anime to changes things up every now and then. But for most part I've been more of a action show kind of guy.

[Poof]

Not making a dent here so lets do it all in one

8 hours ago, SlappyKincaid said:

Sometimes.  "Sometimes" is a key word here, because there's a lot of really good ones, and a whole lot more of reeeeeeaaaaallly bad ones

Exactly so why the preference for anime when its not even as good?

8 hours ago, Ric said:

There was a never a time I was so obsessed with anime that was all I'd watch.

 

 

Then you dont count bc thats not what i was talking about 

9 hours ago, jackiemarie90 said:

I guess it makes it easier for fantasy stories, and the plots tend to be more mature than regular cartoons, in fact down right intriguing and thought provoking narratives than other cartoons. 

Yea but why not just watch not-cartoons sometimes? Seems simpler to me

9 hours ago, SlappyKincaid said:

For every god-tier anime, there's scores of shitty garbage ass ones, same with nearly every other form of media.  There's things that can be done in animation that cant be done in live action, at least well.

 

Blah blah blah, weeaboo weeaboo etc

Wrong

9 hours ago, SlappyKincaid said:

I like some u buttchunk

9 hours ago, Saiyanman said:

Obsessed in what way?

Like the way i said. They watch all anime all the time except for the live action adaptions which they watch then bitch about not being good enough

9 hours ago, Lasty said:

Details are gross. Look at real boobs under a microscope if you want, but I prefer anime fanservice when it comes to video entertainment.

REAL LIFE HAS DETAIL WHAT ARE U GONNA DO?

9 hours ago, katt_goddess said:

Yeah, I guess I'm not the 'super fan / obsessive' that you might be aiming for because I do watch a lot of different things. The only steady anime I have is Toonami on Saturdays and CrunchyRoll for the occasional subtitled binge. My anime DVD collection isn't exactly huge either. 

But the one thing I can say that anime, to me, has over live action is the amount of work that can go into an anime. It's lines on paper in the end and it takes a lot of work and attention to detail to make those lines move and tell the story as written. A floating cherry blossom is rendered carefully, not tossed in front of a fan. Something is transformed and not just CGI'd. 

I like to step away from reality when being entertained. Anime definitely encourages that.

Thats also bullshit. Bc everyones saying that one of the pluses of anime is how easy it is to portray certain things to live action. So either youre right and its hard and it takes a lot of work or its easy. And really neither one is a good excuse to be obsessed with it

[Poof]

8 minutes ago, Thrak said:

I'll watch a slice of life or a comedy anime to changes things up every now and then. But for most part I've been more of a action show kind of guy.

But then why not watch a live action "slice of life" or comedy? Bc those are available unlike new american action toons

[Kudasai]

25 minutes ago, Poof said:

But then why not watch a live action "slice of life" or comedy? Bc those are available unlike new american action toons

Live action doesn't do it for me anymore. And besides that anime is something I only do once a week. For the only I watch is the local news and hockey

[Poof]

1 minute ago, Thrak said:

Live action doesn't do it for me anymore. And besides that anime is something I only do once a week. For the only I watch is the local news and hockey

Hockey is live action

[Kudasai]

28 minutes ago, Poof said:

Hockey is live action

I consider that to be more a sporting event than actual TV show. 

[Poof]

15 minutes ago, Thrak said:

I consider that to be more a sporting event than actual TV show. 

Why do u say that like an actual tv show would HAVE to be anime?

[CAC]

Because it's so different than what we have here. They come up with some of the best stories sometimes and I just got hooked on it. Plus the art work can be amazing sometimes.

I'm not at 3000 yet, but I am at 662 completed and currently watching 13.

But with that said, I'm not obsessed with it, I only watch what looks interesting to me. I watch tons of American live action shows too. I'm always looking for a new show to binge watch.

Edited March 7, 2018 by CAC

[SlappyKincaid]

Did an obsessed animu fan beat you up or insult your whole family or something?

[Raptorpat]

3 hours ago, Poof said:

You dont think i can take the heat? I can do it. You dont know. Ill fight the anime fans

Ok let's do this

[SlappyKincaid]

12 minutes ago, Adminderaptorpat said:

Ok let's do this

[Chapinator_X]

Out of habit, but I do feel like it’s comforting to watch something that I know will only last a season or two. The medium is also stylish enough that it makes for some cool or cute shows that don’t translate as well in live action.

American cartoons are also either too overly childish or overcompensate with dick jokes. Anime reaches a nice in-between where you can still find both, but also find ones that take the viewer seriously or at least don’t act like you must be either a toddler or an insecure older guy to enjoy it. There are too many teen shows in anime, but every season has a good balance, so it’s not like that’s the only thing available. 

And then there’s the matter of what I would want to watch. Save for a handful of shows, regular TV doesn’t really pull me in, and is either the same procedural cop-counterterrorism-doctor show or comedies that are just funny commercials without a product. I still watch Ash vs the Evil Dead and some FX shows, but I’d rather keep cute 2D girls eating cake on in the background than a Chuck Lorre or Dick Wolf production. 

Also, I’m in too deep

Edited March 7, 2018 by imchapp.in

[panic]

Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - ANIME OBSESSION. Many such cases!

[mochi]

5 hours ago, Poof said:

So are other things. I watch anime. Im talking obsession

oh you mean weebs, the kind of people who wear kimonos and anime t-shirts exclusively, only eat sushi and ramen, randomly pepper their speech with the words "Kawaii" and "sugoii" keep Body pillows of naked anime girls and insist that they are Japanese even though they're white and/or Black

 

I.e. ProudAsian

 

 

Yeah I honestly don't know in that case

Edited March 7, 2018 by mochi

[Jman]

Because I can get a fuckload of it for $10/month.

I’m not obsessed, and frankly haven’t been for a long time.  But people are always looking for something to fill that hole in their life with.

Edited March 7, 2018 by Jman

[MasqueradeOverture]

Because it's the ultimate detachment from reality.

Kinda need it once I ran out of David Lynch movies to watch.

[naraku360]

16 hours ago, naraku360 said:

Crippling retardation.

Case and point:

17 hours ago, 1938 Packard said:

Anime characters are WAY more interesting than any real people.

And, they almost always do stuff that's impossible for any real people.

 

[Misaka]

26 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Case and point:

 

Packard is an idiot in general so this doesn't really matter

[BUU8800]

 

[naraku360]

58 minutes ago, Misaka said:

Packard is an idiot in general

thatsthejoke.jpg

Edited March 7, 2018 by naraku360

[Misaka]

2 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

thatsthejoke.jpg

You know you lost your sarcasm touch 

[naraku360]

13 minutes ago, Misaka said:

You know you lost your sarcasm touch 

[thevengefulone]

Eh, That's what we do , we're nerds . 

[GunStarHero]

Hentai aside...

I never considered myself a big anime fan, but when I was a teenager I read tons of manga and watched a good bit of anime. A fair portion of the anime I watched was whatever I could find at the local movie rental place and the comic shows that were held at the mall. There were quite a few one-offs that I would come across, sometimes original works but more often than not just a condensed version of some manga that didn't quite warrant a full-blown series. Can't say I cared for those, typically speaking. 

But I always loved ninjas. Their mysterious origins and cultures combined with the surge of '80s and '90s action movies and cartoons kept me hooked as a kid. It was inherently exciting. Speed Racer was neither of those things, but I was going to judge all of anime by watching one or two things. It's a medium all its own. The first anime I ever saw was actually a Rumiko Takahashi film called Fire Tripper. It confused the living shit out of me and it's no wonder people haven't heard of it. But I craved more of that Eastern culture and action. American cartoons were great, and I loved a lot of the ones I watched during the '90s, and reruns of stuff from the '80s or earlier. The lone, VHS copy of Ninja Scroll at the nearby Premiere Video introduced a violent, action-packed, and terrifying side of cartoons I had never seen before, especially considering I had to be like 5 or 6 when we rented our copy. See, my dad would grab me any and all VHS tapes with either a ninja on the cover or in the title. Big Ninja Turtle fan, but at the same time, I couldn't get enough of those awesomely bad '80s ninja movies they had been churning out overseas since the '60s. In fact, I still watch those movies to this day. I have nearly 300 martial arts movies in my collection. But regardless of all of that, I certainly wasn't hooked on anime. 

Enter Toonami. 

When I was in elementary school, Toonami shifted from Moltar-hosted action block to an after school type spiel with TOM the robot and SARA the AI. It was a neat little setup with a pair of 3D hosts following along with the audience as the shows played throughout the afternoon. It introduced me to Outlaw Star, one of my all-time favorite shows ever, and things like Sailor Moon and Mobile Suit Gundam. But it was the heavy hitter Dragonball Z that really drew me in. I had heard of it quite a bit from all the shows I had been going to, but now it was licensed in the United States, dubbed in English, and available for free, every weekday afternoon on Cartoon Network, a channel I had already been watching for the American shows. The appeal became the scope a lot of these anime shows presented to me. The cartoons I was used to watching liked to tell short stories that often came full circle or wrapped up nicely in anywhere from 11 to 23 minutes. The next episode did not depend on previous ones and all of them could be easily digested in any order the audience pleased. But anime had these grand stages, high stakes, sprawling stories, and unique cast members. If you missed an episode you could redeem yourself by catching the recap at the beginning of the broadcast, but missing too many episodes would leave you in the dust quick, fast, and in a hurry. I had been accustomed to seeing quirky characters interacting with one another, going on weekly adventures in my American shows, but the Japanese ones took me on the epic journeys. It was like a sort of Games of Thrones for kids and it blew me away. My interest in martial arts only grew when I would watch these battles to the death every week as the heroes leapt into the fray with the evil doers. And as time went on, I got to see all new shows, with their own respective bands of heroes and villains in all new worlds and settings. Sure, there was stuff like this already but none of it was being targeted at kids, much less broadcast on a kids network. I just ate that shit up. Dragonball Z shirts, toys, cards, games, clothes--just Dragonball Z everything. Not to mention Pokemon coming in strong on the marketing with two games, an anime, and merchandise galore. I was overwhelmed with the zeitgeist of kids' media. 

However, as time went on I started noticing trends. The things that I had come to love about anime had become the most boring, predictable aspects. The writing was formulaic. The stories were just the same song and dance, leaving us on ridiculous cliffhangers every week. I began to notice a lot of the protagonists were either kids, teenagers or young adults. No doubt a correlation intended to entice the very same fan base. So many of these stories focused on school kids jumping into crazy new worlds or discovering powers, but few and far between really made that intriguing enough to keep coming back for more. Even the American dubs hit this weird stride with voiceover work, nigh ruining some shows with shoddy acting and dialogue alone. And since anime had a long history in Japan, and the US seemed to enjoy the first couple of waves that came over, it was like the floodgates had been opened and every little nothing show got some sort of American release. There were still good shows, because anime is a medium, not a genre, but they seemed to be getting harder and harder to find. Save for [adult swim]'s triumphant little block of anime, I could hardly be bothered to check any other shows out. 

I am by no means saying anime is intended for children, but a good portion of it is clearly made with them in mind. Some of my favorite shows are anime, like the oft referenced King of Cool: Cowboy Bebop. And of course shows like Outlaw Star were just right time, right place kinda shows that I latched onto in my youth, that I would later find merit in when I got older. Even newer shows like Space Dandy and One Punch Man were so unique and entertaining, I instantly fell in love with them. But those are outliers for me these days. Try as I might to watch anime again, I always so quickly notice the depth (or lack thereof) and imminent danger these shows like to pretend they actually have.  It's just so boring for me. It doesn't help that newer releases like Sword Art Online came out swinging and had me hooked on the first episode and no less than two episodes later I absolutely hated it. It's poorly written and while it may be pretty, that doesn't excuse the general vapid nature of a show that likes to think it's clever. Sincerely, I mean no ill-will to those whom enjoy the medium, but I can't really count myself as an anime fan. I just like some shows that happen to be anime is all. 

 

All that text, and no answer. Ain't I a rascal? 

[CAC]

6 hours ago, imchapp.in said:

I’m in too deep

Also a good answer.

[1938 Packard]

13 hours ago, Poof said:

PACKERD ILL RUB MY SHIT ALL OVER THE WALLS OF YOUR CASINO RIGHT AFTER I COUNT AND COUNT AND COUNT AND COUNT THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR BJ TABLES BC ITS LEGAL IN NJ

First, you have to figure out which casino, then, understand that you're on Candid Camera the whole time you're there, then figure out how to answer the security officers when they're stuffing you into the holding cell for your disorderly conduct...

And when all of that is done, you still would not have found any "bj tables" because they don't exist.

[PurgatoryGirl]

13 hours ago, Poof said:

You know theres more than reality TV here in america

There's also more to life than complaining about every little thing and about what other people choose to like. People are going to like what they choose to like.

We shouldn't have to stop liking something just because you personally choose to dislike it. This isn't limited to liking Japanese animation.

Edited March 8, 2018 by PurgatoryGirl

[naraku360]

20 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said:

First, you have to figure out which casino, then, understand that you're on Candid Camera the whole time you're there, then figure out how to answer the security officers when they're stuffing you into the holding cell for your disorderly conduct...

And when all of that is done, you still would not have found any "bj tables" because they don't exist.

I get the feeling you're thinking of the wrong kind of BJ table.

[SlappyKincaid]

this was civil and explanatory and not full of fire and brimstone like I expected from the sound of things.

BORING.

GOOD JOB PAT, IT'S BORING

[PokeNirvash]

Clearly anime isn't for Poof; it's time to vote them off the island.

[1938 Packard]

1 hour ago, naraku360 said:

I get the feeling you're thinking of the wrong kind of BJ table.

Your line of thinking probably didn't mean Black Jack because you have historically over a period of years tried to steer every subject into a septic tank.

[EmpressAngel]

Be cause I'm a pervert who wants to fuck the cartoon people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[André Toulon]

On 3/6/2018 at 8:16 PM, Poof said:

If u think big bang theory is the best thing out there... You must actually be a middle aged mom in disguise 

I said it was shitty and I don't watch any of the currently out sitcoms or primetime dramas to know what comes on.  

I still watch Seinfeld because live action was good then.

[Gina Szanboti]

Animated people are prettier than real ones.  Their faces also express emotion better.  I don't like real people, so I don't enjoy watching them on tv or in movies, except for some fantasies like Marvel and DC movies.  I can barely stand to watch live action anything anymore.  I don't go to movies in theaters because it's too expensive and I can't make it work with public transportation hours (even seeing a matinee requires a 6-7 hour chunk of the day).  Even stuff I'd like to watch on tv I can't find because Comcast's search function sucks, as does my google fu.  Basically it's way too much work to try to figure out if/when it's on, I forget to even look for it, and I won't ppv to watch it.

I like anime better than domestic cartoons (except Avatar, which might as well be anime) because domestic are either Pixar or Disney, which all look exactly like everything else Pixar or Disney puts out (I'll still watch those though), or are hideous looking edgy crap like adult swim's animated comedies like say Super Jail (except Venture Bros, which is great), or are just ugly cartoons, e.g., Rick and Morty (which is a good comedy, but ugly) or King of the Hill (good stories, but again, ugly artwork) or Family Guy which is just ugly, period.  Japan can certainly indulge in ugly too, like Pop Team Epic (esp. Bob Epic Team), but mostly anime is more aesthetically pleasing to me.

[DragonSinger]

On 3/6/2018 at 9:12 PM, Poof said:

But live action offers literally all of that. 

-Many different genres

-Different directors, videographers, production ppl to give each show a different artistic style

-Slice-of-life shows exist in abundance in live action as well

-And live action international shows & movies to explore different cultures

Im not saying anime sucks. I watch it but i wouldnt say i watch it anymore than anything else. I MUST know what it is that drives the "It has to be 2d" anime fan

Live action can't offer a just as well done series like Ghost in the Shell, One Punch Man, Gintama, Fullmetal Alchemist, Naruto(say what you will, but some of its fight scenes are still boss), or any mecha show without losing quality from special effects or someone dying from trying to pull off the stunts. Even though America does have an abundance of good live action shows right now, we would absolutely butcher any attempt to make our own versions of March Comes in Like a Lion or My Hero Academia because our country's style of writing teenagers is so fucking lazy. In general, screenwriting here is very lazy when it comes to dramatic tropes such as married main characters always being in affairs while being shitty parents to idiot rebellious teenagers who you wish would just disappear. That shit is primarily why I'm usually watching more anime than live action shows. And yes there are live action scifi/fantasy shows where a group of outcasts meet and go on adventures or save the world, but most of the good ones get cancelled. 

Oh and anime is the only time I've sobbed like a little bitch and continue to tear up while just trying to describe the ending of a goddamn board game show.

Edited March 12, 2018 by SorceressPol
Left out Gintama and a Hikaru no Go reference.

[GunStarHero]

7 hours ago, SorceressPol said:

Live action can't offer a just as well done series like Ghost in the Shell, One Punch Man, Gintama, Fullmetal Alchemist, Naruto(say what you will, but some of its fight scenes are still boss), or any mecha show without losing quality from special effects or someone dying from trying to pull off the stunts. Even though America does have an abundance of good live action shows right now, we would absolutely butcher any attempt to make our own versions of March Comes in Like a Lion or My Hero Academia because our country's style of writing teenagers is so fucking lazy. In general, screenwriting here is very lazy when it comes to dramatic tropes such as married main characters always being in affairs while being shitty parents to idiot rebellious teenagers who you wish would just disappear. That shit is primarily why I'm usually watching more anime than live action shows. And yes there are live action scifi/fantasy shows where a group of outcasts meet and go on adventures or save the world, but most of the good ones get cancelled. 

Oh and anime is the only time I've sobbed like a little bitch and continue to tear up while just trying to describe the ending of a goddamn board game show.

Yea but it was a damned good board game show. 

[J.M. Matthews]

On 3/6/2018 at 7:57 PM, Noboru Yamaguchi said:

Because live action shows became terrible after the 90s....It all started with reality TV, then writers became so awful after that, when they tried to write good TV the best they came up with was shitty shows like The Big Bang Theory

It's not just the quality of the shows.  Technically half the writers in L.A. got fired and laid off when they protested, so they had no writers to make REAL shows with for a while. 

2006 - 2012 on TV is what happens when Hollywood isn't hiring or even employing or paying any good writers. Dramas get replaced with shows that don't use writes: Reality TV and "talent competitions" How about acknowledging some FUCKING WRITING TALENT??

[J.M. Matthews]

On 3/7/2018 at 7:11 AM, Poof said:

Thats a very sensible answer. But what about other genres besides action?

Action pretty much were anime made its brand and most of its money, hence there being shitloads of it and it being difficult to find more niche markets like romance and comedy. Whatever you're seeing  getting airtime IS making the most raw cash. So Toonami and cable niche markets or bust.

[J.M. Matthews]

Speaking of good Live action: It's past 8 PM Wednesday. X-File is on Fox!

They're right, right though. Don't overlook the "Made in America" market. There's a reason its so flush with cash. There still are good live action dramas. Like Gotham and X-Files and into the Badlands. To name some

Edited March 15, 2018 by J.M. Matthews