Conclave is on track to have the funniest Oscar PR run ever

[discolé monade]

great movie. 

[tsar4]

 

[1pooh4u]

And then the conclave elects a pope thats nothing like him. I would place a bet on that 

[1pooh4u]

Pope Francis wrote a letter to the US Bishops warning against Trump and Vance’s “fake Christianity”

[1pooh4u]

They’re doing the thing. Taking the cardinal oath of secrecy. It’s totally being recorded for the news but it’s totally super secret. 

It’s all in Latin. I wonder if they know what they’re saying.  Damn I am old af cuz I swear I remember a time when Catholics prayed in Latin and then Pope JP2 said “c’mon guys. Let’s do our prayers in the language we understand so we can know really what the good lord wants from us” or something like that. 

[Top Gun]

1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

They’re doing the thing. Taking the cardinal oath of secrecy. It’s totally being recorded for the news but it’s totally super secret. 

It’s all in Latin. I wonder if they know what they’re saying.  Damn I am old af cuz I swear I remember a time when Catholics prayed in Latin and then Pope JP2 said “c’mon guys. Let’s do our prayers in the language we understand so we can know really what the good lord wants from us” or something like that. 

Pope John XXIII called the Second Vatican Council that modernized the Mass and allowed it to be said in local languages back in the 1960s. Yes, they would at least roughly understand what they're saying, because Latin is part of their seminary studies, and that would certainly be an expectation once you're at that level. And they only had cameras present for the introductory ceremony. At some point the president literally calls "Everyone else out" in Latin, and the doors are locked. 

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

Pope John XXIII called the Second Vatican Council that modernized the Mass and allowed it to be said in local languages back in the 1960s. Yes, they would at least roughly understand what they're saying, because Latin is part of their seminary studies, and that would certainly be an expectation once you're at that level. And they only had cameras present for the introductory ceremony. At some point the president literally calls "Everyone else out" in Latin, and the doors are locked. 

I already stopped paying attention to it because I had to yell at a radiologist for not reading MRIs that were done 2 weeks ago 

I’m not that old. Could have sworn PJP2 had something to do with it. 

[Raptorpat]

 

[Top Gun]

43 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

I already stopped paying attention to it because I had to yell at a radiologist for not reading MRIs that were done 2 weeks ago 

I’m not that old. Could have sworn PJP2 had something to do with it. 

Nope, it was before his papacy. My parents remember the Latin Mass from when they were very young, but it had been gone for two decades by the time I was born.

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Top Gun said:

Pope John XXIII called the Second Vatican Council that modernized the Mass and allowed it to be said in local languages back in the 1960s. Yes, they would at least roughly understand what they're saying, because Latin is part of their seminary studies, and that would certainly be an expectation once you're at that level. And they only had cameras present for the introductory ceremony. At some point the president literally calls "Everyone else out" in Latin, and the doors are locked. 

I believe what Pooh is referring to is the fact that successive popes have both further restricted when the latin mass can be used and replaced some parts of the vernacular liturgy that still used Latin.  It's mostly been since Benedict that a lot of the latter reforms have been made in various increments.

[Top Gun]

2 hours ago, scoobdog said:

I believe what Pooh is referring to is the fact that successive popes have both further restricted when the latin mass can be used and replaced some parts of the vernacular liturgy that still used Latin.  It's mostly been since Benedict that a lot of the latter reforms have been made in various increments.

Ah, right. John Paul II apparently authorized use of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass, which was said in Latin and had some other liturgical differences, in very limited circumstances. Benedict was something of a traditionalist, and he eased some of those restrictions a bit more. Francis tightened them up again, noting (correctly) that some traditionalist Catholic groups have used it as something of a wedge political issue.

[mthor]

1 hour ago, Top Gun said:

Ah, right. John Paul II apparently authorized use of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass, which was said in Latin and had some other liturgical differences, in very limited circumstances. Benedict was something of a traditionalist, and he eased some of those restrictions a bit more. Francis tightened them up again, noting (correctly) that some traditionalist Catholic groups have used it as something of a wedge political issue.

Benedict? Traditional? Surely you jest - the former Grand Inquistor traditionalist?

[scoobdog]

5 hours ago, Top Gun said:

Ah, right. John Paul II apparently authorized use of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass, which was said in Latin and had some other liturgical differences, in very limited circumstances. Benedict was something of a traditionalist, and he eased some of those restrictions a bit more. Francis tightened them up again, noting (correctly) that some traditionalist Catholic groups have used it as something of a wedge political issue.

JPII was a heavily mystic pope, thanks to Fatima, and part of the reason John XXIII moved to the vernacular liturgy was the opposite of mysticism, accessibility.  That dynamic has pulled the Church in two directions since the first part of the last century.

[1pooh4u]

White smoke. A new pope was elected but idk who. Seems fast 

[1pooh4u]

If someone is on a trip to Italy do they need to show their passport again to enter Vatican City?  Just curious cuz if my memory serves me, Vatican City is a nation within a nation 

[1pooh4u]

The proto(prodo) deacon (?) will be announcing the new pope shortly. Kinda crazy to see how widespread the RC Church is. Almost every country in the world is represented in the square waiting for the announcement. 

[Jman]

7 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

White smoke. A new pope was elected but idk who. Seems fast 

Surprising considering there was no clear front runner.

[1pooh4u]

It took 4 rounds of voting for a decision to be made. 108 of 133 were appointed by Pope Francis. 

[1pooh4u]

The sr cardinal deacon is about to announce the pope 

[nameraka]

Well, since no one else has said it, it's up to me.

HOLY SMOKE!

[1pooh4u]

They have a pope it is a cardinal from the US from Chi town 

[1pooh4u]

He’s taken the name Leo something he’s 69 yo idk because they’re speaking in Italian or Latin 

Pope Leo XIV from the US 

[1pooh4u]

US cardinal Robert Prevost Trump is going to say something stupid soon 

 

[André Toulon]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

They have a pope it is a cardinal from the US from Chi town 

Idk what i expected, but that wasn't it.

[1pooh4u]

Just now, André Toulon said:

Idk what i expected, but that wasn't it.

I gotta tell you I didn’t either 

[Jman]

He apparently is part of the progressive wing of the Church like Pope Francis. 

[mthor]

So much for St. Malachi...

 

 

 

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, Jman said:

He apparently is part of the progressive wing of the Church like Pope Francis. 

I guess having 108 cardinals appointed by Francis was a big help there were predictions saying they were gonna go more conservative glad that’s not true 

[MasqueradeOverture]

Il nobre di Patre, di Filio, y Da Bears

[scoobdog]

51 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

If someone is on a trip to Italy do they need to show their passport again to enter Vatican City?  Just curious cuz if my memory serves me, Vatican City is a nation within a nation 

No.  It is an independent country, but there isn't a passport control to get into the Vatican.  Ostensibly, there isn't any place in particular to stay or work for casual visitors; you would only be stopping people from coming to see (and pay for) the Vatican's museums or the St. Peter's basilica.

I also believe you do not need a separate passport to see San Marino, also an independent state inside of Italy. 

[Insipid]

I guess it's supposed to symbolize something, Donald Trump as a president, and next year is the 250th anninersay of the country. The first American pope. Or this could bring about a "fuck the institutions" sentiment. We shall see.

[1pooh4u]

44 minutes ago, Insipid said:

I guess it's supposed to symbolize something, Donald Trump as a president, and next year is the 250th anninersay of the country. The first American pope. Or this could bring about a "fuck the institutions" sentiment. We shall see.

Guaranteed there will be a small but very loud group of assholes who will take this to mean USA is the best

[1pooh4u]

47 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

No.  It is an independent country, but there isn't a passport control to get into the Vatican.  Ostensibly, there isn't any place in particular to stay or work for casual visitors; you would only be stopping people from coming to see (and pay for) the Vatican's museums or the St. Peter's basilica.

I also believe you do not need a separate passport to see San Marino, also an independent state inside of Italy. 

That simplifies things cuz it would be a pain in the ass otherwise.  
 

the architecture of the Vatican is impressive I would love to see it in person. 

[Insipid]

[ghostrek]

The new Pope Leo 14th is the first Pope from North America and the US and the Midwest, and Chicago.  Has someone who is not Catholic. kinda cool    

[discolé monade]

@Insipid

nooooiiiiccceee. 

and like buddy stated. i am...shocked...shocked i tell ya'. 

from the u.s. it will be very interesting to see. to bad....eh...nvm. the world isn't ready for that shit. 

[discolé monade]

nice bite size bio on the new pope

Now, Prevost’s name has been floated among those who might be chosen as the next pope, though American cardinals are considered long shots because of the global power of the United States and its sharply divided politics. There never has been a pope from the United States.

[Jman]

 

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

3 hours ago, nameraka said:

Well, since no one else has said it, it's up to me.

HOLY SMOKE!

Now that you bring that up, I gotta wonder if that is the actual origin of that phrase.

[naraku360]

On 3/23/2025 at 10:51 AM, naraku360 said:

I keep seeing this thread title and thinking "Conclave? Is that one somehow funnier than the Oscars treating Emilia Perez like a real movie?"

Then I get disappointed that it isn't about a terrible movie.

Some things never change.

[Raptorpat]

 

[nameraka]

2 hours ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Now that you bring that up, I gotta wonder if that is the actual origin of that phrase.

I believe it is. 

Edited 16 hours ago by nameraka

[MasqueradeOverture]

The Body of Christ

[Raptorpat]

 

[1pooh4u]

Trump ain’t gonna like him. He’s from the Augustine order and they’re supposed to be very much for the poor and downtrodden however his record on LGBTQ issues aren’t as friendly as Francis’ were. 
 

It felt like right away they were trying to remove his ties to the US while at the same time claiming him. He was educated in the US. He also was a naturalized citizen of Peru. Mixed bag on NY1. In one breath it was the hoorays for the first US Pope and the other they spoke about his love of Peru and that’s where his religious studies started. 

[scoobdog]

30 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Trump ain’t gonna like him. He’s from the Augustine order and they’re supposed to be very much for the poor and downtrodden however his record on LGBTQ issues aren’t as friendly as Francis’ were. 
 

It felt like right away they were trying to remove his ties to the US while at the same time claiming him. He was educated in the US. He also was a naturalized citizen of Peru. Mixed bag on NY1. In one breath it was the hoorays for the first US Pope and the other they spoke about his love of Peru and that’s where his religious studies started. 

He sounds like a choice that is hedging bets across the Americas.  The LGBTQIA+ thing is very important, but there isn’t much more a pope can do on that front then Francis has already started just because of the immense headwinds from conservatives.  The most we can hope for is that he leaves Francis’ directives alone.

His more immediate problems are wrapping up the pedophile priest scandal and attacking the burgeoning financial crisis within the Vatican.

[Insipid]

He can speak English, French, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese. He can also read German and Latin. His speech was in Italian and Spanish. Meanwhile, Trump speaks elementary school level English.