2022 Midterms: Oh god, not again

[SwimOdin]

On 8/17/2022 at 2:45 PM, Ginguy said:

An incumbent ignored her constituency in a big way.

 

 

If my constituency was that fucking stupid I would ignore them too, and feel proud not being re-elected.

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

21 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

#walkaway

@Ginguy

https://people.com/politics/colorado-state-senator-leaves-republican-party-denounces-trump/

From the article:

Quote

Priola writes that he will begin caucusing with Democrats, but will "not be changing the way I vote on legislation," adding that he continues to be pro-life, pro-school choice and pro-Second Amendment.

What in the flying fuck is "pro-school choice"? And for that matter, what's the opposing view?

[NewBluntsworth]

4 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

What in the flying fuck is "pro-school choice"? And for that matter, what's the opposing view?

Charter schools vs public schools 

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

8 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Charter schools vs public schools 

I had to look up what a charter school is. I am still unclear about what is "pro school choice" though. Is there controversy over whether or not they should be legal? What choice is being made and who is making the choice?

[NewBluntsworth]

7 hours ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

I had to look up what a charter school is. I am still unclear about what is "pro school choice" though. Is there controversy over whether or not they should be legal? What choice is being made and who is making the choice?

It's a whole right/left coded issue just like guns and abortion. The "choice" refers to parents who ostensibly want local alternative options to the CRT communism grooming illiteracy factories that failing public schools have supposedly become

Edited August 24, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[stilgar]

41 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

From the article:

What in the flying fuck is "pro-school choice"? And for that matter, what's the opposing view?

It means he was given a lot of money from private schools so he will vote against public schools and fuck them over.

[SwimModSponges]

23 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

I had to look up what a charter school is. I am still unclear about what is "pro school choice" though. Is there controversy over whether or not they should be legal? What choice is being made and who is making the choice?

Charter schools are private, for profit, almost always christian schhols. You know catholic schools where everyone wears uniforms and nuns are allowed to hit them? Thats a private school. They make bank because rich conservatives pay to send their kids there.

The controversy comes from public schools receiving tax revenue in order to run, because they're not for-profit and don't make lots of money for the investors. 

So private schools argue that they should get tax dollars as well, even though there is a seperation of church and state. 

Conservatives passed laws that pull money from the public school system and invest it into private schools. This serves three funtions- make the rich richer, cripple public education, and force religuous education.  They call it "school choice".

Same thing if you've ever heard "right to work". In wisconsin we have the "right to work", which means that our employers can legally fire us at any time with no reason given.

Its literally doublespeak from 1984.

[NewBluntsworth]

21 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Charter schools are private, for profit, almost always christian schhols

Actually I think most charter schools are public schools - publicly-funded, not for profit, and free to attend, they just don't have to stick to as tight of a curriculum as the regular CRT LGBT communist grooming public schools do. 

Charter schools and private & religious schools are separate things.

A comrade in my socialist org teaches at a charter high school and it sounds pretty cool compared to regular public school. One day each week, every teacher gets to teach their own (pre-approved) class with their own self-made curriculum -- so he's doing a course on the history of workers revolutions. Pretty cool stuff. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[1pooh4u]

Charter schools @Doom Metal Alchemist

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/understanding-charter-schools-vs-public-schools?context=amp

they aren’t private schools  they are public schools some even take up space in public schools and are supposed to be an alternative for parents unable to afford private school but they don’t want to deal with the public school system either 

 

[Raptorpat]

Nabs is right, charter schools are quasi-public, quasi-private schools. They're funded through public schools dollars, but they're unrestricted by all the obligations real public schools have (ex. teachers' union contracts, a legal obligation to teach kids).

So for example, they can cut labor costs that real public schools can't, and they can kick out all the poor-performing students to goose their numbers.

They can be an outlet for high achieving students in truly struggling districts, but it's basically to the detriment of everyone else in the system.

[Raptorpat]

oh pooh beat me

[SwimModSponges]

Sorry looks like i jumped the gun a bit.

https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/better-or-worse-religiously-affiliated-charter-schools-are-their-way

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/religious-charter-schools-legally-permissible-constitutionally-required

[1pooh4u]

Of course rose won the democrat primary. Turnout sucked. I voted for Brittany Ramos Debarros. I knew she didn’t have a chance but still. 
 

now we got Malliotakis  v Rose 2.0 

@Raptorpat what happened to the redistricting after the census. I know a dem appointed judge shot it down as unfair but did the SCOTUS ruling put that original map back in play. 
 

malliotakis will probably keep her seat because she’s a Trump loving Republican that thinks the Jan 6 rioters are being treated so unfairly. I hate her so much. 

[Raptorpat]

3 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

 what happened to the redistricting after the census. I know a dem appointed judge shot it down as unfair but did the SCOTUS ruling put that original map back in play. 

SCOTUS never got involved in NY's lawsuits. The state Republican party sued over the Congressional and state Senate maps, and they forum shopped for a receptive judge by filing in Steuben County. 

That judge held that the congressional map was statistically an impermissible gerrymander and that supermajority Democrats impermissibly violated the new state redistricting process by overstepping the redistricting commission, and ordered the legislature adopt new maps with a bipartisan vote. The appeals court overturned in part, I think on the procedural violation (and also on the "bipartisan vote" remedy because that's not a real thing he could order), which would have locked in the Senate map and only required a rewrite of the Congressional map.

So then it moves up to the actual Court of Appeals (that's NY's high court; the trial court is called the Supreme Court), and in a 4/3 decision written by the Chief Judge and Cuomo flunkie, they agree with the trial judge that the maps are constitutionally flawed due to the procedural and order a special master (it was an expert who worked on PA's maps) to redraw them both in a really short time frame. They say the Assembly map is procedurally flawed too but because the GOP never sued, it falls outside the scope of their authority to force a redraw.

Anyways, the two maps were redrawn and the June primary was bifurcated - that's why Congress and state Senate primaries were yesterday. A separate suit was brought against the Assembly map and the courts said it was too late for this year but that map will get redrawn for the next cycle.

On the whole, it was probably for the better from a precedent/good government standard, and I personally think the Senate map was a major improvement, but the practical impact was that incumbents were smushed together (like Nadler and C.Maloney) and everything is a painful mess.

The other practical impact, on the Congressional level, is that instead of a 20D/4R/2 map, it's a 16D/6R/4 map. That's four pure swing seats in NY alone out of 40 seats nationally. In isolation, it is arguably a good thing in the long run. However, when you compare it with OH's legislature willfully disregarding it's high court (for an 11R/2D/2 map) and Florida's high court disregarding it's own caselaw (for an 18R/8D/2 map), its hard to feel like being forced to do something approximating the right thing isn't self-defeating.

In your own case though, your new district is a few points more Republican than it was before.

[1pooh4u]

48 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

SCOTUS never got involved in NY's lawsuits. The state Republican party sued over the Congressional and state Senate maps, and they forum shopped for a receptive judge by filing in Steuben County. 

That judge held that the congressional map was statistically an impermissible gerrymander and that supermajority Democrats impermissibly violated the new state redistricting process by overstepping the redistricting commission, and ordered the legislature adopt new maps with a bipartisan vote. The appeals court overturned in part, I think on the procedural violation (and also on the "bipartisan vote" remedy because that's not a real thing he could order), which would have locked in the Senate map and only required a rewrite of the Congressional map.

So then it moves up to the actual Court of Appeals (that's NY's high court; the trial court is called the Supreme Court), and in a 4/3 decision written by the Chief Judge and Cuomo flunkie, they agree with the trial judge that the maps are constitutionally flawed due to the procedural and order a special master (it was an expert who worked on PA's maps) to redraw them both in a really short time frame. They say the Assembly map is procedurally flawed too but because the GOP never sued, it falls outside the scope of their authority to force a redraw.

Anyways, the two maps were redrawn and the June primary was bifurcated - that's why Congress and state Senate primaries were yesterday. A separate suit was brought against the Assembly map and the courts said it was too late for this year but that map will get redrawn for the next cycle.

On the whole, it was probably for the better from a precedent/good government standard, and I personally think the Senate map was a major improvement, but the practical impact was that incumbents were smushed together (like Nadler and C.Maloney) and everything is a painful mess.

The other practical impact, on the Congressional level, is that instead of a 20D/4R/2 map, it's a 16D/6R/4 map. That's four pure swing seats in NY alone out of 40 seats nationally. In isolation, it is arguably a good thing in the long run. However, when you compare it with OH's legislature willfully disregarding it's high court (for an 11R/2D/2 map) and Florida's high court disregarding it's own caselaw (for an 18R/8D/2 map), its hard to feel like being forced to do something approximating the right thing isn't self-defeating.

In your own case though, your new district is a few points more Republican than it was before.

Thank you and what a mess. This stuff is friggin complicated and the 11th definitely didn’t need any more Republican points.  😑

[Raptorpat]

Yeah it's a mess, and that's without even getting into the built-in implosion of the redistricting commission, where there was no way to break a partisan tie and the GOP representatives (one of which who was planning to run for state Senate himself) just walked away from the table.

Almost like it was set up to fail so they could sue when the legislature inevitably stepped in...

🤔🤔

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

Re: Charter schools

Thanks for all the info and links, Pooh, Pat, Sponges, and Nabs.

[Master-Debater131]

non-partisan redistricting commissions arent always great. We have one and all it did was basically lock all of our Reps in place. Theres maybe 1 competitive district here now because the new lines drawn by the independent commission locked in the incumbents.

[Raptorpat]

These are "bipartisan" commissions, not "non-partisan". So they're inherently trying to protect their own and boost their edge. In NY's case, one of the fatal flaws was that each party has equal representation and there was no way to break a deadlock. So the Dems proposed one thing, the GOP proposed another, and then when the two partisan plans were both voted down in the first round, the GOP commissioners just walked away rather than do a required second round of maps. The new process requires two rounds of commission maps before the legislature can do its own thing with a supermajority vote, and because the GOP commissioners left the table, there never was a second round before the legislature drew its own maps. If it sounds built-to-fail, it pretty much was.

All that being said, there are a lot of philosophical questions regarding what makes a map good. Should all the districts be maximized to be competitive in the general election? Should districts be maximized to represent communities of interest? Like those are two basic questions, but given our practical realities they lead to completely opposite results.

[matrixman124]

Biden has awoken it seems

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by matrixman124

[matrixman124]

Biden is really trying to shore things up for the midterms. Gives me some relief that the Democrats aren't just resting on their laurels for once.

Honestly with the debt relief move and the GOP showing their complete asses on that, this is looking really good so far.

[matrixman124]

 

 

[Ginguy]

So, seems like Zuck admitted on Joe Rogan that the FBI told him to bury the "Laptop from hell" story.

Election totally wasn't rigged though.

 

 

[stilgar]

[1pooh4u]

 

“rigged election”

[Master-Debater131]

Rigging an election involves changing votes to directly effect the outcome

 

Influencing an election is using your power to impact, and change, peoples opinions in an attempt to change the outcome of the election.

Facebook influenced the election, they did not rig it.

 

Ive got a loooootttttt of problems with the Media and Social media influencing elections and politics, but they didnt rig anything. They absolutely control the narrative and have a political slant that is clearly to the Left, but they arent rigging anything. Just trying to influence it.

[stilgar]

Just now, Master-Debater131 said:

They absolutely control the narrative and have a political slant that is clearly to the Left

This is the funniest shit ever.

[SwimModSponges]

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/05/918520692/facebook-keeps-data-secret-letting-conservative-bias-claims-persist

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/26/facebook-conservatives-2020-421146

https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/1/21544501/facebook-rules-protect-conservatives-instagram-bias-discipline

[Sawdy]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/26/us/mississippi-jim-crow-era-voting-restriction-law-upheld/index.html

Nothing to see here at all

[1pooh4u]

2 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/26/us/mississippi-jim-crow-era-voting-restriction-law-upheld/index.html

Nothing to see here at all

The one judge that voted against it is African American he was like wait a minute these laws are racist we all know it and to say the law is no longer used in a racist way so it’s fine is a fuckin joke. What world are we even in anymore 

[SwimOdin]

6 hours ago, Ginguy said:

So, seems like Zuck admitted on Joe Rogan that the FBI told him to bury the "Laptop from hell" story.

Election totally wasn't rigged though.

 

 

Yep, because it was dangerous Russian propaganda targeting dumbfucks. I’m assuming you have a problem with that.

[Top Gun]

Jingo genuinely thinks that we're all as mentally disabled as your average MAGAt.

[1pooh4u]

11 hours ago, SwimOdin said:

Yep, because it was dangerous Russian propaganda targeting dumbfucks. I’m assuming you have a problem with that.

The fbi literally didn’t want to do in that election what was done in 2016 when Comey announced the reopening of an investigation into Hilary 3 weeks before an election, but Jingai knows this. He wanted another gift given to his dear leader by the FBI and they weren’t having it this time 

[1pooh4u]

Jingai likes to “wait and see” unless it’s about a democrat. In that case it’s act now sort it out later. Real dbag shit 

[1pooh4u]

17 hours ago, stilgar said:

This is the funniest shit ever.

I know Trump only gets 100% of the media coverage even though we should all be ignoring his stupid ass, but the media is all slanted left 🙄 which it really isn’t.  CBS ABC Wall St Journal BBC AP all highly watched and dead ass Center. So it’s bullshit with this left leaning media bullshit 

[matrixman124]

2 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

I know Trump only gets 100% of the media coverage even though we should all be ignoring his stupid ass, but the media is all slanted left 🙄 which it really isn’t.  CBS ABC Wall St Journal BBC AP all highly watched and dead ass Center. So it’s bullshit with this left leaning media bullshit 

Yeah I mean most of these outlets are owned by corporations that want the status quo. Progressivism is against their interests.

[Seight]

 

[SwimModSponges]

https://www.westernjournal.com/gen-flynn-friends-fellow-citizens-war-wage/

[André Toulon]

27 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

https://www.westernjournal.com/gen-flynn-friends-fellow-citizens-war-wage/

.....

Ok, but why....

[SwimModSponges]

Why what?

Why is an American general openly calling for civil war?

Because they're fascists.

Why am i posting it?

Because they're fascists.

[SwimModSponges]

Look here's another one for the exact same reasons. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/27/jena-griswold-colorado-elections-secretary-of-state-democracy

[André Toulon]

1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

Why what?

Why is an American general openly calling for civil war?

Because they're fascists.

Why am i posting it?

Because they're fascists.

Why do you visit all of these right wing "news" sources 

[Sieg67]

24 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

Why do you visit all of these right wing "news" sources 

If I had to guess, it's so the Righties on here can't claim source bias.

[André Toulon]

21 minutes ago, Sieg67 said:

If I had to guess, it's so the Righties on here can't claim source bias.

But the things he posts from them are in no danger of source bias....We know the sources of some of this crazy shit....

Now don't get me wrong, sponges has been doing this for years, so ironic posts are kinda his thing.....but when there's so many of them, I just wonder how much he's sharing in derision.

[Sawdy]

1 minute ago, André Toulon said:

But the things he posts from them are in no danger of source bias....We know the sources of some of this crazy shit....

Now don't get me wrong, sponges has been doing this for years, so ironic posts are kinda his thing.....but when there's so many of them, I just wonder how much he's sharing in derision.

He never took real time off from here, always saw him lurking… he’s just gone down some weird spider mine.

[SwimModSponges]

Little bit of that, little bit of keeping an eye on  the fascist's plans so I know what shit they're spreading,  but mostly because that's what's around; like the Biden whipping tape and platypus.

I'm just sharing the things I'm seeing folks talking about.

[SwimModSponges]

1 minute ago, Sawdy said:

He never took real time off from here, always saw him lurking… he’s just gone down some weird spider mine.

Never said I took time off here.

Again, just posting things I see out in the wild.

On 8/26/2022 at 5:05 PM, Sawdy said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/26/us/mississippi-jim-crow-era-voting-restriction-law-upheld/index.html

Nothing to see here at all

 

[Sawdy]

1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said:

Little bit of that, little bit of keeping an eye on  the fascist's plans so I know what shit they're spreading,  but mostly because that's what's around; like the Biden whipping tape and platypus.

I'm just sharing the things I'm seeing folks talking about.

Are you still falling asleep in your computer chair while your wife films you? Or have you been able to properly achieve the crossed legs sitting up thing?

[Sawdy]

Just now, SwimModSponges said:

Never said I took time off here.

Again, just posting things I see out in the wild.

 

Oh, I know… you “kinda” did it the right way… just you still signed in all the time.

[SwimModSponges]

28 minutes ago, Sieg67 said:

If I had to guess, it's so the Righties on here can't claim source bias.

But more on this- yeah occasionally I'll see something on a news-aggregator site that probably leans leftish, so I find the exact firsthand source they're quoting so I can feel like I actually did research instead of just posting something I've been fed directly.