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45 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

i guess bernie had some decent policy but has shown to be subservient to the party even after they shut him down. biden also talked some policy but most the stuff he talked about turned out to be a lie, or some extremely watered down victories. and now kamala who was hand picked by the party, doesnt even show any policy on her site https://kamalaharris.com/ . we already know her history, and she has shown to be a willing servant of the donors. 

 

of course trump wanted biden, would have been an easy victory. now he will have to put in the effort and run a smart campaign in order to win. he still has a chance, but can see this going either way. they also have to try and coach kamala to do better after her fiasco in detroit or she can jeopardize her campaign. 

 

 

 

 

I love that you completely ignore how much of an absolute clown show the Trump campaign is just to snipe at two of the most progressive senators in the country. You can come at me with it being a low bar, and it doesn't change that it's the best we got.

You expect every politician to be all or nothing for you, and it's never going to happen. I bet you couldn't name 3 politicians more progressive with similar levels of power as Sanders or pre-VP Harris.

To be 100% clear, I'm not saying they didn't/don't exist. I'm saying you don't have a clue what you're talking about because you're more concerned with complaining that a good record has some blemishes than you are with handling the weird freaks who want to make pronouns, condoms, porn, and homosexuality criminal offenses because that and lowering the age of consent or revoking the right to no-fault divorces are how they want to """"fix"""" literally everything.

Show me the better options, you whiny bitch.

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29 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

with how suspect our elections are, i wouldn't doubt the backwardness of our elections. but yeah that's what im trying to get at, the more people can question the legitimacy of the entire thing, the faster we can do away from this. it will be a challenge seeing how they so much time and effort trying to squash any kind of uprising or rebellion. 

Weirdo.

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So the interview was two hours of Trump repeating Project 2025 talking points and slurring his words, all of which the media will likely do their best to downplay the incoherence of.

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5 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

with how suspect our elections are, i wouldn't doubt the backwardness of our elections. but yeah that's what im trying to get at, the more people can question the legitimacy of the entire thing, the faster we can do away from this. it will be a challenge seeing how they so much time and effort trying to squash any kind of uprising or rebellion. 

It's more likely that the neocons try to abandon the GOP and join the Democrats, provoking the progressive wing to form their own party in revolt.

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Its truly remarkable watching the media turn the propaganda up to 11 to try and lift her. Its been 3 weeks since she was anointed, and in that time she has done zero interviews or answered any questions. The only policy position she has officially endorsed she stole from Trump and tried to make it her own.

Harris is such a bad candidate that just a few months ago there was open discussion about dropping her from the VP ticket so Biden could pick someone more popular. The media is going full force propaganda, but people still remember just how bad she is. And if she ever actually stuck to one policy position that she didnt steal from Trump it would get even worse for her because her positions are extreme.

 

 

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1 minute ago, matrixman124 said:

Yes because Musk is very unbiased 

Didnt stop JD Vance from going on Sunday morning talk shows with extremely biased networks and "journalists"

Musk is at least open with his bias and preferences.

 

If Kamabla cant handle a little biased interview, how is she going to handle negotiating with Putin or Xi?

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6 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Didnt stop JD Vance from going on Sunday morning talk shows with extremely biased networks and "journalists"

Musk is at least open with his bias and preferences.

 

If Kamabla cant handle a little biased interview, how is she going to handle negotiating with Putin or Xi?

Yes because an interview with Musk is like negotiations with Putin. Trump's negotiations with Putin are them circle jerking each other with compliments.

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10 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

Its truly remarkable watching the media turn the propaganda up to 11 to try and lift her. Its been 3 weeks since she was anointed, and in that time she has done zero interviews or answered any questions. The only policy position she has officially endorsed she stole from Trump and tried to make it her own.

Harris is such a bad candidate that just a few months ago there was open discussion about dropping her from the VP ticket so Biden could pick someone more popular. The media is going full force propaganda, but people still remember just how bad she is. And if she ever actually stuck to one policy position that she didnt steal from Trump it would get even worse for her because her positions are extreme.

 

 

The enthusiasm for her is still good and that's more important.

Elections are popularity contests and Trump just looks bad in comparison to her right now. And so does Vance.

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13 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

Its truly remarkable watching the media turn the propaganda up to 11 to try and lift her. Its been 3 weeks since she was anointed, and in that time she has done zero interviews or answered any questions. The only policy position she has officially endorsed she stole from Trump and tried to make it her own.

Harris is such a bad candidate that just a few months ago there was open discussion about dropping her from the VP ticket so Biden could pick someone more popular. The media is going full force propaganda, but people still remember just how bad she is. And if she ever actually stuck to one policy position that she didnt steal from Trump it would get even worse for her because her positions are extreme.

 

 

Cope more.

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10 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Totally normal to have the Governor let the police shoot citizens to force them back in their house.

 

Really going to help with that rural and working class vote that Waltz is supposed to help with.

 

Yes and JD "Throw Appalachia under the Bus" Vance is such a superior pick.

Also remind me how many people died from early onset COVID and how many people died from *checks notes* paintballs?

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1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Musk has offered to host Kamabla for a similar interview.

 

We know she wont though because shes a coward who's too stupid to do a full unedited sit down interview

 

 

So you’re going to do the racist and intentional misspelling of her name too?  
 

You just went full mask off with your dumb bullshit 

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1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Its been 3 weeks since she was anointed

Don't you mean appointed? Deification is very much a GOP thing. Besides, Trump's anointment with an Elon sort of musk yesterday didn't seem to go that well.

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11 minutes ago, Jman said:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-vance-leak-media-wikileaks-e30bdccbdd4abc9506735408cdc9bf7b
 

News outlets have refused to print the Trump campaign materials from the leak, because liberal bias is a phantom boogeyman when most of these papers are owned by conservatives and horse race whippers hoping for a Trump victory.

They're dreading a Trump loss because Harris headlines will be so much less engaging because she won't be spewing viral garbage daily

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2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Musk has offered to host Kamabla for a similar interview.

 

We know she wont though because shes a coward who's too stupid to do a full unedited sit down interview

Literally Jingo.

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11 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

i guess bernie had some decent policy but has shown to be subservient to the party even after they shut him down. biden also talked some policy but most the stuff he talked about turned out to be a lie, or some extremely watered down victories. and now kamala who was hand picked by the party, doesnt even show any policy on her site https://kamalaharris.com/ . we already know her history, and she has shown to be a willing servant of the donors. 

 

of course trump wanted biden, would have been an easy victory. now he will have to put in the effort and run a smart campaign in order to win. he still has a chance, but can see this going either way. they also have to try and coach kamala to do better after her fiasco in detroit or she can jeopardize her campaign. 

i guess bernie had some decent policy but has shown to be subservient to the party even after they shut him down.

I wouldn't say he is "subservient", I would say he understands the bigger picture which is that you cannot win a political race of this magnitude without party backing. The same applies to Republicans. They attack the living hell out of their own people the second they stand up against MAGAt nonsense. I've witnessed this personally - Christians/Republicans shitting on nonspiritual family members while happily voting for a guy who knew Epstein was a pedo. A philanderer on his third marriage to a woman who hates his guts, that is the Christian nominee...you can't tell me that doesn't require unquestioning subservience. Getting millions of Christians to put Trump before God? That is definitely a "fall in line" order.

I'll go you one further - church attendance took a hit starting in 2016. Christians who were moderate or left-leaning began distancing themselves from their congregations because their morals no longer aligned. By comparison, more Republicans began identifying as evangelicals in 2016, but didn't actually begin attending church so it's more about tribalism and power than any real urge to do good.

So basically, their entire ideological base is about subservience, that's what religion teaches and that is the tool they have chosen for a reason - it works. They do not take kindly to stepping out of line, never have. I keep saying it - Barry Goldwater called this shit in 1994. There is no excuse for ignoring it anymore. Ignoring it means you are complicit.

Four Texas House Republicans censured for campaigning against incumbents

GOP censures Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for participation in Jan. 6 investigation

House erupts in disorder after Republicans censure top Democrat Adam Schiff, in rare move

Texas GOP censures U.S. Rep. Tony Gonzales over party-splitting votes in Congress

biden also talked some policy but most the stuff he talked about turned out to be a lie, or some extremely watered down victories.

Could you provide examples? Also, keep in mind that whatever you come up with, I can come up with the same, and worse, for Republicans so do be mindful of that because I will definitely provide links if you'd like to dig into this further.

You aren't accusing Democrats of anything unique. Given that it applies across the board, it isn't a meaningful discussion because, again, anyone who is part of the MAGAt movement is never going to vote left. Ever. It could literally mean the difference between life and death and they've shown they'd rather choose death. So even if Biden had a perfect record...well I mean, you're here bringing up "watering things down" while Trump outright lies. Clearly nothing the left proposes will ever pass any MAGA sniff test.

and now kamala who was hand picked by the party, doesnt even show any policy on her site https://kamalaharris.com/ 

Kamala Harris was officially chosen by her party on August 5, can we maintain some grasp on reality here? We're talking about the president, the top dog in the "top country", that's a big job and you expect her entire policy platform to be fully fleshed out and online in less than 7 days? On top of campaigning at the last minute? Trump can't even make it through an interview without humiliating himself and he's had years to prepare. Do you not feel embarrassed by that at all? Does it not make you cringe? Do you not feel the need to comment? Is that what you want representing us on the world stage? Again?

Also, let's not pretend Kamala is an unknown quantity here, not after MAGAts voted for a reality star with no experience, no education, lawsuits up the asshole, and multiple bankruptcies. Let's not forget the nasty shit that came out during his divorce from Ivana, the workers he's stiffed, the fake university he ran, etc.

now he will have to put in the effort

Now he'll have to put in effort?  Now? And that's okay with you? Weren't you just criticizing Kamala for not having her entire platform posted online within 24 hours? Why are you okay admitting he's been coasting? Why is that inspiring when it's Trump doing it?

they also have to try and coach kamala to do better after her fiasco in detroit or she can jeopardize her campaign. 

Do you think Trump does a genuinely good job speaking clearly or are the standards for him different because you expect him to look like a fool? When someone is using different expectations and baselines from person to person, it helps to establish those before continuing.

EDIT: Oh, and as for Israel, since I guess that matters now that it's just a political talking point...

Trump says Israel needs to ‘finish what they started’ and said war with Hamas is ‘taking a long time’

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“You’ve got to get it over with, and you have to get back to normalcy. And I’m not sure that I’m loving the way they’re doing it, because you’ve got to have victory. You have to have a victory, and it’s taking a long time,” Trump said in an interview with The Hugh Hewitt Show that aired Thursday.

He's calling for "peace" by telling them to push harder. A fast genocide is a happy genocide?...

And let's not be naive here, Trump is only up Netanyahu's ass because of 2020:

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The former president has held personal animosity toward Netanyahu ever since the prime minister publicly acknowledged Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election.

Also, JD Vance is an Israel fanboy:

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In a speech delivered at the Quincy Institute in May, Vance addressed the contradiction between his conditional support for Ukraine — “ I think we should stop supporting the Ukrainian conflict,” he said — and unconditional support for Israel. 

Trump chose him. So yeah, it's obvious that Trump has no particular position on Israel, he's just a narcissist whose "morals" shift along with his mood disorder.

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Y'know, MD has kinda baffled me for a few pages now.. I mean, she was with everyone else looking for Biden to step aside as it became increasingly likely he couldn't beat Trump. But, now there's a candidate that is looking in a pretty good position, and she keeps attacking, for the flimsiest reasons? 

But, I've finally realized it was never a concern about Biden beating Trump. It looks more like a blind assumption that Biden stepping down means Trump is the default winner. 

And/or, like any good jongo, she's just here to parrot the latest Fucks News talking points.

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1 hour ago, Jman said:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-vance-leak-media-wikileaks-e30bdccbdd4abc9506735408cdc9bf7b
 

News outlets have refused to print the Trump campaign materials from the leak, because liberal bias is a phantom boogeyman when most of these papers are owned by conservatives and horse race whippers hoping for a Trump victory.

Or there isn't anything exciting in them.  Newspapers, no matter who owns them, aren't going to sit on something that will get looks from their paying audience.

That being said, the information in them will be relevant at some point and they'll magically reappear.

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12 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Y'know, MD has kinda baffled me for a few pages now.. I mean, she was with everyone else looking for Biden to step aside as it became increasingly likely he couldn't beat Trump. But, now there's a candidate that is looking in a pretty good position, and she keeps attacking, for the flimsiest reasons? 

But, I've finally realized it was never a concern about Biden beating Trump. It looks more like a blind assumption that Biden stepping down means Trump is the default winner. 

And/or, like any good jongo, she's just here to parrot the latest Fucks News talking points.

Well, this is what happens when you don't take the 20 and split your 10s now you realize you fucked your winning margin by an insane amount and now stand to lose far more than if you had just stfu.

Biden could have been a Democrat problem, but as usual....the right just had to taste their own toes

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19 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Y'know, MD has kinda baffled me for a few pages now.. I mean, she was with everyone else looking for Biden to step aside as it became increasingly likely he couldn't beat Trump. But, now there's a candidate that is looking in a pretty good position, and she keeps attacking, for the flimsiest reasons? 

But, I've finally realized it was never a concern about Biden beating Trump. It looks more like a blind assumption that Biden stepping down means Trump is the default winner. 

And/or, like any good jongo, she's just here to parrot the latest Fucks News talking points.

It's because MAGAts are liars and lies are hard to track. When you talk from the asshole, you contradict yourself more than people who actually stand for something other than tribalistic bullshit.

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27 minutes ago, Jman said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-elon-musk-melania-harris-beautiful-b2595502.html
 

Trump apparently admitted he was attracted to Kamala during the interview.

From inside your link, I guess Trump's lisp was really noticeable.  For all the talk of Biden's campaign covering up medical issues that might preclude him from having another four years, there should be talk of Trump's campaign covering up medical issues that might  mean a more imminent and severe incapacitation.

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3 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

From inside your link, I guess Trump's lisp was really noticeable.  For all the talk of Biden's campaign covering up medical issues that might preclude him from having another four years, there should be talk of Trump's campaign covering up medical issues that might be mean a more imminent and severe incapacitation.

Ugh, could you imagine Trump winning, biting the big one, and suddenly having JD Vance as president? The dude is a dork of the worst kind, he's soft and pudgy and weird. Can you just picture him shaking hands with world leaders while promoting his weird brand of christofascism and abuse? It would be the era of cringe 24/7/365.

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Just now, Blackrose321 said:

Ugh, could you imagine Trump winning, biting the big one, and suddenly having JD Vance as president? The dude is a dork of the worst kind, he's soft and pudgy and weird. Can you just picture him shaking hands with world leaders while promoting his weird brand of christofascism and abuse? It would be the era of cringe 24/7/365.

In all seriousness, JD Vance has all the makings of a future political puppet.  It was one of the huge knocks on Pence, so it's no surprise that Trump would choose an equally weak replacement - and it's why Vance's past criticism of Trump is a feature rather than an anomaly. Trump isn't just sending a message that he expects his running mate to be loyal to him like Pence was, he wants the VP to also be disloyal to the party establishment.  A guy as spineless as Vance who would publicly denigrate Trump just to get attention in the party is actually the perfect guy to flip because he has no convictions of his own.  That also means Vance, in a Trump vacuum, will end up being the puppet not of the relatively stable GOP establishment, but of the fringe right elements that can promise Vance undying support.

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3 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Musk has offered to host Kamabla for a similar interview.

 

We know she wont though because shes a coward who's too stupid to do a full unedited sit down interview

 

 

Is it possible she'd rather not waste her time on an idiot that can't set up a livestream after he personally killed Twitter through an impressive display of stupidity and incompetence?

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50 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Or there isn't anything exciting in them.  Newspapers, no matter who owns them, aren't going to sit on something that will get looks from their paying audience.

That being said, the information in them will be relevant at some point and they'll magically reappear.

They will if they think sitting on them will lead to better gains in the future vis a vis a second Trump presidency 

Also journalists and pundits will sit on important stuff all the time if it means they can write a juicy memoir. Gotta get that publishing deal even if it means screwing everyone else over.

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3 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Totally normal to have the Governor let the police shoot citizens to force them back in their house.

 

Really going to help with that rural and working class vote that Waltz is supposed to help with.

 

Hey, idiot.

That video was from George Floyd riot curfews.

Nothing to do with covid-19.

You were in favor of that.

Absolute dipshit.

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15 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

They will if they think sitting on them will lead to better gains in the future vis a vis a second Trump presidency 

No, I don't think so.  God forbid Trump regains the presidency, whatever is in these emails will likely pale in comparison to any of the potential gaffes.  The thing about Trump is that neither he nor his supporters are a mystery - we know who they are and what they stand for.  Even his increasingly erratic behavior is a known element.  The possible gains from what is almost certainly botched and incomplete candidate qualifications is negligible in comparison to just about anything else, and blunted by the universal understanding that Trump picked Vance because he's an obvious toady.

19 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Also journalists and pundits will sit on important stuff all the time if it means they can write a juicy memoir. Gotta get that publishing deal even if it means screwing everyone else over.

Those memoirs place a premium on unique interactions, not something released albeit in a clandestine manner to multiple outlets.  If this leak makes it into any memoirs, it will be because at least one of the reporters covering the leak has a personal relationship with the unidentified leaker.

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5 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

I love that @Master-Debater131 wants to shit on 'weak' candidates while fellating a guy who's losing to the word 'weird' and allegations of fucking a rubber glove between couch cushions.

 

1 hour ago, Jman said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-elon-musk-melania-harris-beautiful-b2595502.html
 

Trump apparently admitted he was attracted to Kamala during the interview.

Weird

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I’m wondering if there’s any truth to the idea that Trump’s reached the Fat Elvis phase of his career, where his career is on a tailspin and it’s highlighted by playing the hits to a smaller and smaller audience as the rest of the people move on.

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9 minutes ago, Jman said:

I’m wondering if there’s any truth to the idea that Trump’s reached the Fat Elvis phase of his career, where his career is on a tailspin and it’s highlighted by playing the hits to a smaller and smaller audience as the rest of the people move on.

I've been describing it as his The Emperor Has No Clothes moment

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10 minutes ago, Jman said:

I’m wondering if there’s any truth to the idea that Trump’s reached the Fat Elvis phase of his career, where his career is on a tailspin and it’s highlighted by playing the hits to a smaller and smaller audience as the rest of the people move on.

Remember when someone tried to assassinate Trump?

Yeah, I already stopped caring, too.

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1 minute ago, discolé monade said:

at all the mods. all of you. 

is this site going to be the 'free speech' sanctuary for the mentally deficient continually post lies and propaganda. 

the fake news that @Master-Debater131 is from the george floyd riots. 

at what point to you warn them? because i've seen you suspend/ban people for less. 

When was someone banned for less? Mods have to know that she’s knowingly spreading fake news, yeah?

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