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On topic, the US and other countries are helping the Ukraine because everyone understands the concept of "A stronger Russia would be difficult to stop if they wanted...literally any of the other count

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22 hours ago, matrixman124 said:

I guess we live in the United States and are therefore responsible for all of the many war crimes it's done. That's the kind of logic you are putting forth here

 

im saying, show the same energy when we do fuck up shit like this abroad. we dont really have much if any power as individuals to have any effect on that kind of policy. vote red or blue, the agenda remains the same. just look at how quick congress gives out money to ukraine in comparison to helping out its own citizens for anything. there are smaller social groups but none that are big enough to put any real pressure. 

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7 hours ago, Top Gun said:

My main point here is that they're going to be handing weapons to people who don't want them there and will be as likely to shoot their commanding officers in the back as follow orders.

Oh, I know what you mean.  Considering (1) most of the people who are capable and willing to fight the Russians have either evacuated or are linked up with the Ukrainian military in some capacity (2) most of the people who are pro Russian are either associated with or participating with local militias, and (3) the rest are likely underground or not in a position to fight (such as elderly) - there isn't a whole lot of people to conscript.  The recent reports of possibly importation of "voters" from Crimea is anecdotal at best but nonetheless indicates that there aren't a large number of people to fill he conscription rolls.  Furthermore, they don't even have enough weapons to arm their professional soldiers effectively.  Compared to their elite soldiers, whomever they get from the occupied regions would fairly low risk.

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25 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

im saying, show the same energy when we do fuck up shit like this abroad. we dont really have much if any power as individuals to have any effect on that kind of policy. vote red or blue, the agenda remains the same. just look at how quick congress gives out money to ukraine in comparison to helping out its own citizens for anything. there are smaller social groups but none that are big enough to put any real pressure. 

What do you want from us to make you happy?

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8 hours ago, Sieg67 said:

reddit.  Not going to post the video because death.

Yeah that shit ruled, exactly what I would do if Russia (or any govt) tried to conscript me. I didn't watch but the wording of the article I read was funny bc it said the guy shot the recruiter immediately after he gave a "rather unconvincing speech" or "poorly received speech" or something, and then after all the other conscripts run out of the room lol

Ah here we go

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/russia-man-shoots-commander-drafting-residents-for-war-in-ukraine

 

According to a witness, the man shot the draft officer after he had given a “clumsy” pep talk for the men to go and fight in Ukraine. “Nobody is going to go anywhere,” the man said moments before opening fire, the People of Baikal news outlet quoted the witness as saying.

Another witness claimed he said: “Nobody is going to war. Now we’ll all go home.”

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1 hour ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Yeah that shit ruled, exactly what I would do if Russia (or any govt) tried to conscript me. I didn't watch but the wording of the article I read was funny bc it said the guy shot the recruiter immediately after he gave a "rather unconvincing speech" or "poorly received speech" or something, and then after all the other conscripts run out of the room lol

Ah here we go

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/russia-man-shoots-commander-drafting-residents-for-war-in-ukraine

 

According to a witness, the man shot the draft officer after he had given a “clumsy” pep talk for the men to go and fight in Ukraine. “Nobody is going to go anywhere,” the man said moments before opening fire, the People of Baikal news outlet quoted the witness as saying.

Another witness claimed he said: “Nobody is going to war. Now we’ll all go home.”

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2 hours ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Yeah that shit ruled, exactly what I would do if Russia (or any govt) tried to conscript me. I didn't watch but the wording of the article I read was funny bc it said the guy shot the recruiter immediately after he gave a "rather unconvincing speech" or "poorly received speech" or something, and then after all the other conscripts run out of the room lol

Ah here we go

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/russia-man-shoots-commander-drafting-residents-for-war-in-ukraine

 

According to a witness, the man shot the draft officer after he had given a “clumsy” pep talk for the men to go and fight in Ukraine. “Nobody is going to go anywhere,” the man said moments before opening fire, the People of Baikal news outlet quoted the witness as saying.

Another witness claimed he said: “Nobody is going to war. Now we’ll all go home.”

Yeah, dude was shot and everybody ran out.

There is also a video of new recruits being instructed to have their GFs buy them the cheapest tampons so they can shove them into bullet wounds.

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So Russia has officially annexed 4 separate regions of Ukraine.  So far there are no countries in the world recognizing these sham results and annexations.

Its also not clear that they will be "Russian" for long. The UA has surrounded the key city of Lyman and appear ready to take it back. The UA is clearly advancing across the front and is taking back territory daily now. The conscripted Russian army is laughably incompetent and its showing. Western weapons are seriously outclassing anything the Russians can throw at the UA right now.

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44 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

The UA has surrounded the key city of Lyman and appear ready to take it back.

My understanding is that what makes Lyman key is that it was the fallback position for regrouping after the northern offensive, and Russian commanders basically abandoned their guys there. 

So if Ukraine surrounds them and they surrender, yes Ukraine liberates the city but more strategically it knocks out a lot of Russia's fighting capacity in the north.

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Are the dipshits in DC trying to start a larger war?

The Donbas is basically Russia, there has been a civil conflict in the region between pro-Russia separatists and the Azov battalions for years. Putin just wanted his land bridge to Crimea, he has that now. Good place to stop the war, let Ukraine join NATO to prevent further attempts at annexation and no one has to get nuked.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

Are the dipshits in DC trying to start a larger war?

The Donbas is basically Russia, there has been a civil conflict in the region between pro-Russia separatists and the Azov battalions for years. Putin just wanted his land bridge to Crimea, he has that now. Good place to stop the war, let Ukraine join NATO to prevent further attempts at annexation and no one has to get nuked.

 

 

It's not "DCs" war to stop.

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https://archive.ph/WAb71

 

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Ukraine has had a partnership with NATO since the 1990s, sending troops to work with the alliance in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the nature of the partnership remained loose. President Viktor Yushchenko hoped to change that. He had been swept to power during the 2004-2005 Orange Revolution, protests that were prompted by reports of electoral fraud. Yushchenko promised the protesters a future that did away with Ukraine's corrupt, Kremlin-dominated past. Much like Georgia, another former Soviet state seeking to shake off Russian influence, Ukraine saw NATO membership as one route to independence and sought membership in 2008.

President George W. Bush was a supporter of Yushchenko's plan. "Your country has made a bold decision," he said during a visit to Ukraine in April, "and the United States strongly supports your request." Both Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain, who were candidates in the upcoming presidential election, announced their support.

Russia, however, was openly hostile to Ukrainian membership in NATO. The Kremlin opposed any eastward expansion of the alliance, and Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that NATO membership would force Russia to treat Ukraine as an enemy. 

"It is horrible to say and even horrible to think that, in response to the deployment of [NATO missile facilities] in Ukrainian territory, which cannot theoretically be ruled out, Russia could target its missile systems at Ukraine," Putin when Yushchenko visited the Kremlin in February 2008. "Imagine this just for a second."

The US pushing for Ukraine to join NATO, to join most of the other old Soviet states in NATO, is what led to this awful war. 

The US orchestrating a literal actual coup in Ukraine is what led to this awful war. 

The US arming and training literal actual Nazi battalions to brutally fight the anti-coup, pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine for the last 8 years is what led to this awful war. 

The US still pushing for Ukraine to join NATO will only lead to more of this awful war. 

Again, the US would never tolerate Russia setting up shop on our border, but Russia isn't allowed any right to self-defense. Now we're supposed to believe that anyone seriously expects Russia to tolerate a US-armed NATO state on its border? 

Just more clamoring for war on the part of our evil empire. That is all this is.

It's like they actually want this to go nuclear. 

Abolish NATO. Get the US military and its weapons and spooks the fuck out of Ukraine. Fuck off, America. Nobody wants this war except USA. 

We need peace NOW. 

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3 hours ago, stilgar said:

Pretty sure Russia really really really wanted this war asshole. 

I wouldn't even say Russia.  At this point, at least.
It's mostly just Putin.

The Russian civilians have made it clear that they don't want war.  I think even government officials and the Kremlin is turning on Putin.

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6 hours ago, scoobdog said:

It's not "DCs" war to stop.

Whose is it then?

Putin has his land bridge to Crimea and the access to the Black Sea deep water ports. That is what he wanted from the outset. If DC tells Ukraine "sit down and negotiate or we cut off aid" then you will see peace talks real quick. DC has almost all the leverage here regarding Ukraine; Zelenski is on TV practically every day begging for weapons and aid. If he loses that he will quickly lose his ability to fight effectively.

Putin wants this to end, he has what he set out to get. Western Europe might want it to end to get energy back, though that seems to no longer be an option. Ukraine may or may not want it to end, I imagine they want to get back all the territory Russia annexed, including Donbas and Crimea. DC doesn't seem to know what it wants, but I doubt it is good for any party involved.

 

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16 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

Whose is it then?

Putin has his land bridge to Crimea and the access to the Black Sea deep water ports. That is what he wanted from the outset. If DC tells Ukraine "sit down and negotiate or we cut off aid" then you will see peace talks real quick. DC has almost all the leverage here regarding Ukraine; Zelenski is on TV practically every day begging for weapons and aid. If he loses that he will quickly lose his ability to fight effectively.

Putin wants this to end, he has what he set out to get. Western Europe might want it to end to get energy back, though that seems to no longer be an option. Ukraine may or may not want it to end, I imagine they want to get back all the territory Russia annexed, including Donbas and Crimea. DC doesn't seem to know what it wants, but I doubt it is good for any party involved.

 

Putin doesn't have shit nazi apologist.

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7 hours ago, Ginguy said:

Are the dipshits in DC trying to start a larger war?

The Donbas is basically Russia, there has been a civil conflict in the region between pro-Russia separatists and the Azov battalions for years. Putin just wanted his land bridge to Crimea, he has that now. Good place to stop the war, let Ukraine join NATO to prevent further attempts at annexation and no one has to get nuked.

 

 

Yes, Neville.

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22 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

Whose is it then?

 Zelenski is on TV practically every day begging for weapons and aid. If he loses that he will quickly lose his ability to fight effectively.

 

3 of the top 4 export from Ukraine are agriculturally based. Most of the other exports are material components from mining shit.

Its a country of mostly farmers asking for weapons because they don't have a flipping ton of things other than a lot of Russian leftovers to defend themselves with when it comes to a land assault. 

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29 minutes ago, stilgar said:

Nabs ain't far left. He pretends to be to seem important.

Remember that whole #walkaway thing jingo was talking about like maybe two summers ago or something like that, i don't know, all these days blend together, but i digress.

If you don't recall, it was supposedly democrats who were sick of how the democratic party was liberal, and were therefore #walk[ing]away.

This is relevant becaust it turns out that, yes, of course, the hashtag started as a russian psyop.

So thats what nabs reminds me of. 

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23 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said:

Yeah, I'm sure Putin has everything he wants and won't decide he wants more in a couple years.

Yes, just like, as we all know, Crimea has always been part of Russia*

*Russian history, it uh...it skips a few years idk

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1 hour ago, Ginguy said:

Whose is it then?

Putin has his land bridge to Crimea and the access to the Black Sea deep water ports. That is what he wanted from the outset. If DC tells Ukraine "sit down and negotiate or we cut off aid" then you will see peace talks real quick. DC has almost all the leverage here regarding Ukraine; Zelenski is on TV practically every day begging for weapons and aid. If he loses that he will quickly lose his ability to fight effectively.

Putin wants this to end, he has what he set out to get. Western Europe might want it to end to get energy back, though that seems to no longer be an option. Ukraine may or may not want it to end, I imagine they want to get back all the territory Russia annexed, including Donbas and Crimea. DC doesn't seem to know what it wants, but I doubt it is good for any party involved.

 

Well, everyone else already jumped on this, but I would point out that providing weapons isn’t the same as controlling a war.  Yeah, it would shift the balance away from Ukraine; it had nothing to do with their desire to defend their own territory.  About all it will do is let the weasel Putin off the hook when he flailing badly.  He has no way of holding the territory he annexed, and he’s one mistake away from getting dragged out into the street and beaten to death.

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At least with Crimea Russian forces controlled the entire territory before they decided to hold their bullshit referendum. Here they're attempting to "annex" territories they're being actively driven out of, and in one case they don't even control the regional capital. It's too dumb to even be called a farce.

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The crazy thing to me here is that just because the western powers have some blame for escalating the situation in Ukraine, they did not invade Ukraine. Russia did. Russia isn't on a humanitarian mission but one of conquest. I know that tankie logic resists criticism of Russia and China but come now.

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