naraku360 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Well that was fun! Easily one of the most entertaining SOTUs ever Hurrhurrhurr funneh! 4 Quote
1pooh4u Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Rep Al Green getting thrown out and not a single other Democrat sticking up for him was such bullshit. Him getting thrown out was a fuckin joke. Remember Boebert and MTG being assholes during the Biden SOTU? 4 1 Quote
André Toulon Posted March 5 Posted March 5 I have 0 faith that any Democrat will do anything... They have an image of being completely useless to their followers that they are going keep up. Like I'm more confident some Republican will bust a grape before any dem 2 1 Quote
Dark_Cloud_Overhead Posted March 6 Posted March 6 4 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: Rep Al Green getting thrown out and not a single other Democrat sticking up for him was such bullshit. Him getting thrown out was a fuckin joke. Remember Boebert and MTG being assholes during the Biden SOTU? To me I see this as the difference between a group that has those that act upon what they individually believe is the best thing to do, and one that all receives their marching orders from the same place, reads from the same script, and repeats the same talking points ad nauseum like a bunch of mindless stormtroopers for fear of falling out of step with the group and being drummed out. Would it have been better optics for the other democrats to back him up and all walk out together? Of course, but would it really make any difference in the grand scheme of things? Would it really change a single person's mind? C'mon. Democrats are disorganized by nature, and realistically no matter what they do in congress it's not gonna change anything. Any real resistance that has the chance to stop any of what's been going on is going to have to come from the public ultimately. 2 Quote
rpgamer Posted March 6 Posted March 6 12 minutes ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said: Would it have been better optics for the other democrats to back him up and all walk out together? Of course, but would it really make any difference in the grand scheme of things? Would it really change a single person's mind? C'mon. Democrats are disorganized by nature, and realistically no matter what they do in congress it's not gonna change anything. Any real resistance that has the chance to stop any of what's been going on is going to have to come from the public ultimately. But, that's the thing. What motivation does the public have to rally if their elected leaders can't demonstrate any capability? And, more importantly, what motivation do the voters have to keep electing them if they can't at least try to act like they're trying? Whether or not anything gets done is almost irrelevant. They really, really need to show their base that they're not just the "bend over and take it" party. Because right now, the message they're sending is "why bother voting for anybody?" 2 1 Quote
naraku360 Posted March 6 Posted March 6 44 minutes ago, rpgamer said: They really, really need to show their base that they're not just the "bend over and take it" party. Too bad they are. 2 Quote
scoobdog Posted March 6 Posted March 6 55 minutes ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said: To me I see this as the difference between a group that has those that act upon what they individually believe is the best thing to do, and one that all receives their marching orders from the same place, reads from the same script, and repeats the same talking points ad nauseum like a bunch of mindless stormtroopers for fear of falling out of step with the group and being drummed out. Would it have been better optics for the other democrats to back him up and all walk out together? Of course, but would it really make any difference in the grand scheme of things? Would it really change a single person's mind? C'mon. Democrats are disorganized by nature, and realistically no matter what they do in congress it's not gonna change anything. Any real resistance that has the chance to stop any of what's been going on is going to have to come from the public ultimately. I agree to an extent. There is nothing Democrats should have done at the SOTU except maybe walking out, and nothing they could do would have served any purpose served any purpose. That being said, they can and should do something by obstructing government operations. They should not vote for any budgets. They should not vote for any of his nominees (FUCK YOU FETTERMAN). They should not attend any special sessions. They should openly refute any and all of his policies. I don't take this statement lightly, but not participating in his schemes is the only way for anything to happen. 2 1 Quote
katt_goddess Posted March 6 Posted March 6 10 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: This was such a great moment last night. Imagine not cheering for this. Imagine being used as yet another prop in order to prop up an actual petulant child who never served, called soldiers losers and suckers, who put an active drunk talking head from his favorite tv channel in charge of the military and has since taken credit for all the cuts in funding and personal to the VA that are totally making things better for veterans [ /s ]. I don't recall you calling out your own when they would actually scream things at the president during the SotU. He should have been booed so loudly from the start that all he could have done was wander away for pudding time. He wants ass kissing, he deserves an ass kicking. 4 Quote
discolé monade Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, tsar4 said: those are called shitbirds. 2 Quote
Dark_Cloud_Overhead Posted March 6 Posted March 6 3 hours ago, rpgamer said: But, that's the thing. What motivation does the public have to rally if their elected leaders can't demonstrate any capability? And, more importantly, what motivation do the voters have to keep electing them if they can't at least try to act like they're trying? Whether or not anything gets done is almost irrelevant. They really, really need to show their base that they're not just the "bend over and take it" party. Because right now, the message they're sending is "why bother voting for anybody?" They've got plenty of motivation. There's the coming economic pain we're all likely to be feeling pretty soon, and the motivation to not live under a dictatorship any longer. What a congressperson chooses to do at what's become a totally meaningless event, I can't imagine that really is gonna motivate anyone. 1 Quote
Dark_Cloud_Overhead Posted March 6 Posted March 6 2 hours ago, scoobdog said: I agree to an extent. There is nothing Democrats should have done at the SOTU except maybe walking out, and nothing they could do would have served any purpose served any purpose. That being said, they can and should do something by obstructing government operations. They should not vote for any budgets. They should not vote for any of his nominees (FUCK YOU FETTERMAN). They should not attend any special sessions. They should openly refute any and all of his policies. I don't take this statement lightly, but not participating in his schemes is the only way for anything to happen. I don't think they should have bothered to show up in the first place. You know it's gonna be just a toxic lie fest, so what's the point? But again, don't really think it matters. It's all the other stuff that does. That's where they need to get their act together and make a solid stand. I agree with you 100% on that. 2 Quote
_lost_username_ Posted March 6 Posted March 6 (edited) On 3/5/2025 at 11:00 AM, Raptorpat said: The people who dont like him didn't watch, of course the response was positive. Seriously, who watches 100 minutes of anyone talking without being a cult member or a superfan? If you've ever read Rape of the Mind by Joost Meerloo, he talks about how leaders using longwinded speeches are using a form of sledgehammer to break mental resistance as well as re-enforce loyalty. It's something leaders like Hitler and Stalin did but its especially a thing with the North Koreans who've built a state centered around a cult of personality, which I think is what Trump truly desires. Quote Many people are hypnophiles, anxious to daydream and day-sleep throughout their lives; these people easily fall prey to mass suggestion. The lengthy oration or the boring sermon either weakens the listeners and makes them more ripe for the mass spell, or makes them more resentful and rebellious. Long speeches are a staple of totalitarian indoctrination because finally the boredom breaks through our defences. We give in. Hitler used this technique of mass hypnosis through monotony to enormous advantage. He spoke endlessly and included long, dull recitals of statistics in his speeches. -- Rape of the Mind, pg. 110 Edited March 6 by _lost_username_ 3 2 Quote
Raptorpat Posted March 7 Posted March 7 Trump has started boxing Elon in https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/trump-cabinet-musk-025093 3 Quote
naraku360 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 35 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Trump has started boxing Elon in https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/trump-cabinet-musk-025093 Quote But he also said he wanted cuts, and that Musk would remain a power center: “If they can cut, it’s better. And if they don’t cut, then Elon will do the cutting.” Pussy ass bitch. 4 Quote
stilgar Posted March 7 Posted March 7 22 minutes ago, tsar4 said: I wish rfk jr pulled a Julian Sands on his hike in CA. 1 Quote
1pooh4u Posted March 7 Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Raptorpat said: Trump has started boxing Elon in https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/trump-cabinet-musk-025093 Is this clarification a resolution to some of the court cases where no one knows who heads DOGE? It’s still ambiguous to me cuz on one side of his face Trump says to his Cabinet, keep whoever you need, but out the other says, make cuts and if you can’t make cuts, Musk will make the cuts. 1 Quote
Raptorpat Posted March 7 Posted March 7 28 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: Is this clarification a resolution to some of the court cases where no one knows who heads DOGE? It’s still ambiguous to me cuz on one side of his face Trump says to his Cabinet, keep whoever you need, but out the other says, make cuts and if you can’t make cuts, Musk will make the cuts. There is a constitutional question - if he has that degree of power, he should probably be Senate-confirmed. 3 Quote
tsar4 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 (edited) Uh, yeah..."inadvertently"...let's go with that... Edited March 7 by tsar4 2 Quote
katt_goddess Posted March 7 Posted March 7 1 hour ago, tsar4 said: I doubt anyone is really surprised by this since the last time he was on tv, he was telling people to just take vitamin A and castor oil and the symptoms 'wouldn't be that bad'. You know, as opposed to being vaccinated and not getting the damn measles in the first place. 2 1 Quote
tsar4 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 There is a new Bill - Eliminate Looting of Our Nation by Mitigating Unethical State Kleptocracy It bans special government employees from having Federal contracts. 1 4 Quote
naraku360 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 (edited) 18 minutes ago, tsar4 said: There is a new Bill - Eliminate Looting of Our Nation by Mitigating Unethical State Kleptocracy It bans special government employees from having Federal contracts. Maybe if giant companies don't hold to certain workplace standards of safety, HR, benefits, wealth distribution (as in CEOs making 200mil a year while paying minimum wage), etc., they're banned from government contracts we could get somewhere. Make violators under contract a federal offense. Jail time if systemic and severe. Have frequent and random investigations. I almost think I sound extreme, but I'm not wanting this to be directed at small businesses or anything. Just places with serious hazards or sensitive information, and moreso on large scales. Amazon, Google, Tesla, Twitter, Facebook, the usual suspects. It has to be aggressive to have any chance of working, if that's even possible. Edited March 7 by naraku360 1 2 Quote
tsar4 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 6 hours ago, naraku360 said: Maybe if giant companies don't hold to certain workplace standards of safety, HR, benefits, wealth distribution (as in CEOs making 200mil a year while paying minimum wage), etc., they're banned from government contracts we could get somewhere. Make violators under contract a federal offense. Jail time if systemic and severe. Have frequent and random investigations. I almost think I sound extreme, but I'm not wanting this to be directed at small businesses or anything. Just places with serious hazards or sensitive information, and moreso on large scales. Amazon, Google, Tesla, Twitter, Facebook, the usual suspects. It has to be aggressive to have any chance of working, if that's even possible. But did you catch the Acronym created by the bill's name? 2 Quote
Dark_Cloud_Overhead Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Yakko, Wakko, and Dot seem downright normal by comparison. That's the craziest part. 1 Quote
tsar4 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0308/1500953-trump-resort-vandalised-in-response-to-gaza-comments/ Edited March 8 by tsar4 3 2 Quote
Master-Debater131 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) Out of all the mistakes that the Kamala campaign made, one of the biggest has to be the whole "JD is Weird" thing. Not only did it lead her to pick Waltz (another mistake), but its incredibly easy to disprove. JD went on media campaigns, and came out looking like a normal dad. It even continues now with the whole Chubby JD memes. The Left tried to use it to attack him, but JD and the Right embraced it and now its totally taken over. even JD is in on it now. Really have to wonder who it was that decided this was a good line of attack, because they probably should never work in politics again. Edited March 8 by Master-Debater131 1 1 Quote
André Toulon Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Took him like 6 months to figure out this lame countermeasure. But sure, go JD....no one will make fun of you now 1 2 Quote
stilgar Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Md trying so hard to make people think vance isn't a weird mother fucker. 2 1 Quote
André Toulon Posted March 9 Posted March 9 He's the Krillin of this series, he'll never get a character arc. 2 Quote
PenguinBoss Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Plus he carries on the Republican tradition of fucking furniture. 2 Quote
stilgar Posted March 9 Posted March 9 51 minutes ago, André Toulon said: He's the Krillin of this series, he'll never get a character arc. That is a terrible thing to say about Krillin. 4 Quote
naraku360 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: Out of all the mistakes that the Kamala campaign made, one of the biggest has to be the whole "JD is Weird" thing. Not only did it lead her to pick Waltz (another mistake), but its incredibly easy to disprove. JD went on media campaigns, and came out looking like a normal dad. It even continues now with the whole Chubby JD memes. The Left tried to use it to attack him, but JD and the Right embraced it and now its totally taken over. even JD is in on it now. Really have to wonder who it was that decided this was a good line of attack, because they probably should never work in politics again. You continue to be amazingly stupid. 1 2 Quote
katt_goddess Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: Out of all the mistakes that the Kamala campaign made, one of the biggest has to be the whole "JD is Weird" thing. Not only did it lead her to pick Waltz (another mistake), but its incredibly easy to disprove. JD went on media campaigns, and came out looking like a normal dad. It even continues now with the whole Chubby JD memes. The Left tried to use it to attack him, but JD and the Right embraced it and now its totally taken over. even JD is in on it now. Really have to wonder who it was that decided this was a good line of attack, because they probably should never work in politics again. If it was such a bad, horrible, totally not a big deal thing, why did they piss themselves every time someone called them 'weird'? He only went in front of 100% koolaid drinkers and merely repeated the same shitty points that were whined about at his weird 'boss's' rallies. He has nothing of note to add during the campaign and all he is apparently allowed to do now is shitpost on Shitter where, again, he's constantly surrounded by only the very finest of racist MAGAts that would never think to call him 'weird'. How weird. 3 Quote
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