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Israel to face labor strike resulting from failure to secure hostage. Six hostages were killed by Hamas just before they could be rescued by the IDF.  If in fact Hamas did that, fuck them all to Hell. However it’s possible that the IDF killed them and they’re blaming Hamas. I read no such claims but I have not read much about the incident. I’m more interested in the protests rn

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/01/g-s1-20521/protests-and-strike-are-planned-in-israel-after-hostage-deaths

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  On 9/1/2024 at 4:31 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Israel to face labor strike resulting from failure to secure hostage. Six hostages were killed by Hamas just before they could be rescued by the IDF.  If in fact Hamas did that, fuck them all to Hell. However it’s possible that the IDF killed them and they’re blaming Hamas. I read no such claims but I have not read much about the incident. I’m more interested in the protests rn

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/01/g-s1-20521/protests-and-strike-are-planned-in-israel-after-hostage-deaths

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More likely a "sin of omission/oppression" deal

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  On 9/3/2024 at 3:29 PM, MasqueradeOverture said:

More likely a "sin of omission/oppression" deal

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 Hamas basically saying “don’t do anything to us in Gaza and we’ll release the hostages” isn’t really acceptable. Israel’s response wasn’t acceptable either but I’m sure there’s a middle between doing nothing and acts of genocide 

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As an aside Hamas admitted to killing the hostages moments before the IDF was going to rescue them so fuck Hamas. The alternative narrative definitely is going to be “Israel’s IDF did it and Hamas was trying to keep the hostages alive”  but it’s bullshit. They admitted they did it. One or two might have even been US citizens. 

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  On 9/4/2024 at 6:57 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Calling for the complete destruction of the Jewish Homeland is antisemitism. That’s what from the river to the sea means.  That’s what it has meant since 1948. The person who coined the phrase made that perfectly clear. 

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Beat me to it.  A phrase that specific can't be separated from the unsaid elements that provide context.  More importantly, it gives legitimacy to terrorists who have hijacked a legitimate cause for freedom and highlights one of the biggest stumbling blocks to a proper two state solution.

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  On 9/4/2024 at 7:09 PM, scoobdog said:

Beat me to it.  A phrase that specific can't be separated from the unsaid elements that provide context.  More importantly, it gives legitimacy to terrorists who have hijacked a legitimate cause for freedom and highlights one of the biggest stumbling blocks to a proper two state solution.

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Many people think it’s an ideological phrase not a literal one, or that it’s anti Zionist and not antisemitic but the phrase has been defined. Like you said it can’t be separated from its intent. 

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  On 9/4/2024 at 7:30 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Many people think it’s an ideological phrase not a literal one, or that it’s anti Zionist and not antisemitic but the phrase has been defined. Like you said it can’t be separated from its intent. 

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As an aside, that phrase is a perfect example of how anti-semitism tends to creep in under the noses of the unsuspecting.  Anti-semitism was rampant and mostly unchecked well before last October partly because anti-semites have been able to hide behind phraseology that is divorced from who is actually using it.

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Something has happened to Hezbollah terrorists this morning. Seems there has been a mass event where their communications devices exploded. There are deaths and casualties being reported, into the hundreds of terrorists.

 

This would be pretty impressive if it turns out to be true. Israel would have had to find a way to intercept these devices and turn them into bombs.

Sure seems like Israel is finally playing to win here.

 

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  On 9/17/2024 at 2:06 PM, Master-Debater131 said:

Something has happened to Hezbollah terrorists this morning. Seems there has been a mass event where their communications devices exploded. There are deaths and casualties being reported, into the hundreds of terrorists.

 

This would be pretty impressive if it turns out to be true. Israel would have had to find a way to intercept these devices and turn them into bombs.

Sure seems like Israel is finally playing to win here.

 

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This tactic is scary as hell

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  On 9/17/2024 at 11:33 PM, matrixman124 said:

This tactic is scary as hell

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Yep, a crazy person bent on genocide has figured out how to turn basic pagers into suicide bombers without the consent or knowledge of their carriers and that's 'a good thing' because no one else in the history of ever would now be looking into using that exact programming to turn other things into suicide bombs. 

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1,500 Hezbollah fighters lost sight and limbs to pager bombs, report says

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkpyid11cr

"Some 1,500 Hezbollah fighters have been disabled after their communication devices exploded en masse last week, with many losing their sight or suffering hand amputations from the blasts, a senior member of the Lebanese terrorist group told Reuters on Wednesday on condition of anonymity.

Hezbollah published a list of casualties over the past week, following the explosions, reporting 37 deaths from various regions across Lebanon. These include the Bekaa Valley, the Dahieh district in Beirut, multiple locations in southern Lebanon and the Akkar region in the north. According to various Lebanese reports, around 3,000 people have been injured by the explosions."
 
That is absolutely remarkable. This is easily one of the greatest precision strikes in a very long time, if not ever. It sounded like the operation was a success, but I dont think anyone could have imagined this level of success.  1,500 terrorists, most in operational command positions, knocked out of action thanks to pagers. Just remarkable.
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Hooolllyyyyy shit, they may have actually done it. Media in the region is treating this very differently than right after the initial attack. They aren't confirming he is alive, and some are saying he isn't reachable. Thats a big shift from earlier today when they were reporting he was fine. Israel isn't saying anything, but leaks are saying they are cautiously optimistic that they got him.

People are openly celebrating his death in Muslim countries in the region. Iran is calling an emergency meting, and Hezbollah said they will not be releasing any sort of comment today.

This might be real, and it would be absolutely spectacular if true.

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  On 9/27/2024 at 4:24 PM, Master-Debater131 said:

Israel launched a massive attack against Hezbollahs HQ. The primary target was Nasrallah. No word yet on if it worked, but Israel has called it a "decapitation strike" aimed at senior leadership.

 

 

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I don’t think Israel could find “Hezbollah HQ” if there was a giant neon sign pointing to it.

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IDF calls on Lebanese civilians to move away from several sites in Hezbollah bastion

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-calls-on-lebanese-civilians-to-move-away-from-several-sites-in-hezbollah-bastion/

The IDF is calling on Lebanese civilians near several buildings in the Dahiyeh suburb of Beirut, a known Hezbollah stronghold, to evacuate immediately.

Col. Avichay Adraee, the IDF’s Arabic-language spokesman, publishes maps alongside the announcement, which call on civilians to distance themselves at least 500 meters from three sites in Dahiyeh.

 

Maybe a 2nd round of attacks incoming. Israel really is trying to take Hezbollah out. And its about damn time. No other nation would accept the kind of routine attacks that Israel takes from Hezbollah. They are well within their right to finally wipe Hezbollah out.

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  On 10/1/2024 at 2:10 PM, Jman said:

So after Israel essentially decapitated Hezbollah, Iran is promising to retaliate with a ballistic missile attack.

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Not really going to amount to much. Iran telegraphed the last one on purpose so they could be intercepted, they're doing the same here. They want to shoot the missiles but they don't want the attack to actually succeed because they don't actually want a war. That's why they're telling the US, so they'll get shot down but Iran can say to its minions "look, we did something."

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  On 9/29/2024 at 4:56 PM, tsar4 said:
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Netanyahu is pretty confident that Trump will win (whereas Trump will probably say 'do what you want until the Saudi's tell me to tell you otherwise) or that no matter what he does, most of the Western World is impotent when it comes to stopping him. If the West gives the finger to Israel, not only does it lose an important site for military and resources, but also one of the most important countries when it comes to science and technological developments. Israeli research has been key to medicine and non-military technology. If the West said 'eff you,' then the PRC would say "well, we didn't actually like the Palestinians so much ... let's be friends." 

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The death count from Irans attack is impressive

1 Palestinian killed in the West Bank

 


Thats it. the rest of the attack was ineffective.

It did represent a clear escalation though, one that Israel will respond to. Iran has been fucking around for decades, and it sure seems like they are about to find out. The last time Israel decided to hit Iran they were able to get through their airspace, take out anti-aircraft weaponry around nuclear facilities, and get out without Iran doing anything.

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Hoooo Boy. Israel is doing some pretty impressive working taking out Hezbollah. There hasnt been independent confirmation of these claims yet, but theres a ton of anecdotal evidence that its true.

If it is true though then this may wind up being the most consequential strike in the entire war. Israel has been playing whack-a-mole with Hezbollah leadership for a couple of weeks, and they have been wildly successful at it. This however is a true decapitation strike. Its one thing to take out the leader, its another to take out the entire structure that picks a leader. If the council truly is gone, that leaves no one left to really pick the next leader.

Its absolutely remarkable how effective Israel has been at taking out Hezbollah. They were considered the most powerful non-state terrorist entity in the region, and Israel is ripping through them like they were tissue paper.

 

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Let's see...

Cheering about how great their pinpoint attacks have been and how great their intelligence has been in their recent attacks.

Mysteriously forgetting that they've also been blindly bombing entire areas full of civilians flat after a [ yes ] vicious attack on their soil that their intelligence had 'no idea' was being planned.

Which is it? They have such great intel and aim they can flatten a single home and kill only the bad guys or they had no idea a massive terrorist swarm that could be seen from space had rallied and have had to retaliate by carpet bombing the future site of the Netanyahu Memorial Beach Front Condos?  

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