discolé monade Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 no, it's not. weirdo 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 I don't usually bother with you because you're disingenuous as all get out, but... 10 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: even asking like they do in msm. hamas, however they were formed, whatever you think of them, is the army of the palestinian people. thats the only ones aside from ansar allah fighting for palestinian liberation. It's objective fact that attacking soft, non military targets is not fighting for liberation. Even if you're stupid enough to believe that Hamas fighters didn't engage in rape or torture in at least the same degree as the IDF is now being investigated for, you can't ignore the fact that terroristic operations are incompatible with freedom fighting operations for multitude of reasons, including: An operation that results in civilian casualties can only result in retaliation and/or increased governmental control. You don't stop bleeding by letting your heart pump the wound dry, you stop it by compression. Terrorism has never, historically, resulted in compliance. To the contrary, it tends to radicalize establishment participants in a way that increases divisions and results in a greater burden for the separatist faction. (If you want an example, look no further than the nearly century long struggle of the Irish Republican Army and the impediments it created for Ireland.) When retaliation inevitably does happen, the consequential collateral damage will almost certainly disproportionately affect the disenfranchised side. The October 7th massacre wasn't just a tragedy for the innocent Israeli civilians, it was a tragedy for the Palestinians who took the brunt of the retaliation even before the IDF entered into ghastly war of attrition. The independence movement doesn't have the infrastructure of the establishment so they will, naturally, suffer higher casualty rates should the establishment respond in kind to an attack. in short, an "army of the palestinian people" doesn't sabotage their own people for no appreciable gain. Let's call the Oct 7 attackers what they are - anarchists who are putting their own (if justified) anger above the cause they're fighting for. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Dear @Master-Debater131 and @Distortedreasoning, Yours truly, THPPTPHTPHPHHPH! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 Well damn, getting 19 at once is a damn good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 19 children? Because they've definitely killed more than 19 children. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 I guess this answers my question. MD celebrates when children are murdered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Murdering children during morning prayer is just the cost of doing business, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 @Raptorpat, i guess you only gonna allow msm views and ones that totally discredits the plight of those that are suffering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, Distortedreasoning said: @Raptorpat, i guess you only gonna allow msm views and ones that totally discredits the plight of those that are suffering. What do you think he is gonna do? Ban all news from the news folder? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 5 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: @Raptorpat, i guess you only gonna allow msm views and ones that totally discredits the plight of those that are suffering. That’s not what happened because the msm makes Palestinian suffering very clear what you won’t do is post bullshit blogs and try to deny the events that took place on October 7. I bet you’ll be posting Holocaust denial shit shortly too 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 did you even read the ban message 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 2 hours ago, Raptorpat said: did you even read the ban message You’re too mainstream, so he refused to read it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 7 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: That’s not what happened because the msm makes Palestinian suffering very clear what you won’t do is post bullshit blogs and try to deny the events that took place on October 7. I bet you’ll be posting Holocaust denial shit shortly too Wtf did he post to catch a ban? Edited August 13 by naraku360 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 5 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Wtf did he post to catch a ban? Basically a far left blog post denying Hamas had anything to do with Oct 7 to support his claim that Hamas was innocent of any crimes hamas has admitted they did it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 It's wild seeing someone actually say hamas didn't do it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 17 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: Basically a far left blog post denying Hamas had anything to do with Oct 7 to support his claim that Hamas was innocent of any crimes hamas has admitted they did it. Was that the Grey Zone post or something somehow worse? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, stilgar said: It's wild seeing someone actually say hamas didn't do it. Exactly especially since Hamas wants everyone to know that they did it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, naraku360 said: Was that the Grey Zone post or something somehow worse? Grey Zone post. I’m not saying they never broke a story or never got anything right but broken clocks are right twice a day too. Doesn’t mean I’m using them to tell time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Going to preempt this, Ilhan Omar won her primary because she listened to her constituents and earned their loyalty. It wasn't because of anti-semitism. Also her opponent was a piece of shit. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 6 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: Grey Zone post. I’m not saying they never broke a story or never got anything right but broken clocks are right twice a day too. Doesn’t mean I’m using them to tell time Yeah, I'm not as sure about horseshoe theory as I am that distorted is a willing victim of faux-progressive propaganda. I think he's aware it's propaganda but agrees with what it's pushing. Like, it's propaganda but the kind that speaks the truth so I'm gonna pretend it isn't......? That may sound crazy, because it is, but also distorted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 5 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Yeah, I'm not as sure about horseshoe theory as I am that distorted is a willing victim of faux-progressive propaganda. I think he's aware it's propaganda but agrees with what it's pushing. Like, it's propaganda but the kind that speaks the truth so I'm gonna pretend it isn't......? That may sound crazy, because it is, but also distorted. I see it a lot with libertarianism in particular. Originally it was a lot more anarcho sindicalist where they disregarded centralized government and self governed via commune. Over time, it became less about self government and more about survival of the fittest and individualism. So you have a philosophy that is supposed to be about community and now it's about get rid of government so we can bring back feudalism. So we have a lot of idealists who see modern libertarianism on the surface as reduced centralized government and more akin to an anarchist society but in reality they're being duped by a bunch of megalomaniacal rich old farts who think they are the fittest to survive because they have money and power. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 8 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Yeah, I'm not as sure about horseshoe theory as I am that distorted is a willing victim of faux-progressive propaganda. I think he's aware it's propaganda but agrees with what it's pushing. Like, it's propaganda but the kind that speaks the truth so I'm gonna pretend it isn't......? That may sound crazy, because it is, but also distorted. It would make sense that there are ultra progressives who are willing to warp reality to an ideology. As absurd as it sounds, the idea that Bernie Sanders might be a sellout is easier to process than a geopolitical reality that suggests Jewish progressives are powerless to stop a strongman that is hijacking Jewish identity to further his personal aims. Israel can’t stop protecting itself just because Netanyahu is engaging in a genocide. It’s not as simple as cutting off arms shipments, and putting restrictions on shipments is hard when they go through a strongman with a ultra conservative agenda that aligns with racist Republicans who are also pushing to approve those arms shipments. It goes to the greater concept that idealism rarely meshes with reality in ways that easily disillusion idealists. It’s no coincidence that Distorted isn’t all that intelligent - he rarely processes information other than to directly refute. But, more than that, he’s similar to Trumpers and Musk Bros in that he’s powerless to maintain the worldview he thrives in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 It's annoying for me because I can sometimes agree with some of distorted's sentiments....then he say some wild and outlandish shit that makes me completely rethink what we agreed on. That all or nothing shit is childish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 4 hours ago, André Toulon said: It's annoying for me because I can sometimes agree with some of distorted's sentiments....then he say some wild and outlandish shit that makes me completely rethink what we agreed on. That all or nothing shit is childish. All it takes is finding yourself in an echo chamber with the wrong people and your priorities get really twisted. Is this because distorted had some predilections to this kind of thinking? Can't say for sure. But I don't think they intend to be a stooge posting on this here web forum in the year of our Lord 2024. The grifters are on the big platforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 4:40 AM, 1pooh4u said: That’s not what happened because the msm makes Palestinian suffering very clear what you won’t do is post bullshit blogs and try to deny the events that took place on October 7. I bet you’ll be posting Holocaust denial shit shortly too october 7 just an excuse. self defense? where have we heard that talk before? i know people dont got long memories, but 9/11. i gotta chose my words carefully about what happened on that day seeing as this is a taboo thing here. but i will say the mainstream pushes this view, to discredit any action by the palestinians and is exactly the excuse israel is using to commit their genocide. say what you'll say about oct. 7 but the facts are, this is the greenlight for israel to continue doing what they are doing. the usa can say they dont approve of whats happening, but they sure as shit are giving them weapons to continue doing it. everyone trying to make people seem crazy because of disagreements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 8:55 AM, Raptorpat said: did you even read the ban message yes, it was bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 12:08 PM, naraku360 said: Was that the Grey Zone post or something somehow worse? whats wrong with grayzone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 11:50 AM, 1pooh4u said: Basically a far left blog post denying Hamas had anything to do with Oct 7 to support his claim that Hamas was innocent of any crimes hamas has admitted they did it. the article didnt deny any "crimes". it was just specific crimes being thrown into question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I didn't read your source but you somehow both denied that terrorism against civilians happened while also implying that the terrorism against civilians was justified. THAT IS NOT AN OK POSITION JUSTIFYING AFFIRMATIVE VIOLENCE AGAINST OR OTHERWISE DEHUMANIZING CIVILIANS ON EITHER SIDE IS NOT OK 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 11 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: the article didnt deny any "crimes". it was just specific crimes being thrown into question. Fuck off 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 10 hours ago, Raptorpat said: I didn't read your source but you somehow both denied that terrorism against civilians happened while also implying that the terrorism against civilians was justified. THAT IS NOT AN OK POSITION JUSTIFYING AFFIRMATIVE VIOLENCE AGAINST OR OTHERWISE DEHUMANIZING CIVILIANS ON EITHER SIDE IS NOT OK Thank you Pat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 11 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: october 7 just an excuse. self defense? where have we heard that talk before? i know people dont got long memories, but 9/11. i gotta chose my words carefully about what happened on that day seeing as this is a taboo thing here. but i will say the mainstream pushes this view, to discredit any action by the palestinians and is exactly the excuse israel is using to commit their genocide. say what you'll say about oct. 7 but the facts are, this is the greenlight for israel to continue doing what they are doing. the usa can say they dont approve of whats happening, but they sure as shit are giving them weapons to continue doing it. everyone trying to make people seem crazy because of disagreements. Fuck you Oct 7 happened they raped women men and children and murdered babies as a fuckin target. And yes they did have the right to self defense every country has the right to defend itself and its citizens I’m not getting into any other conversation with you because I do not discuss Israel and Palestine with fuckin antisemites. Which you definitely are and not for your stance on the conflict fuck off big time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 11 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: the article didnt deny any "crimes". it was just specific crimes being thrown into question. Why did you put "crimes" in quotes? What crimes are being brought into question? Why? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Well, that's one way to come off a ban. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 12 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: the article didnt deny any "crimes". it was just specific crimes being thrown into question. Actually, no, fuck you. You don't get the benefit of the doubt here. On 8/7/2024 at 1:19 AM, Distortedreasoning said: https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-rape-report/ Here's the headline: "Western media concocts ‘evidence’ UN report on Oct 7 sex crimes failed to deliver" No guys, it wasn't denying crimes! It was just claiming the evidence of those crimes was fabricated! Douchenugget. Edited August 15 by naraku360 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 14 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Actually, no, fuck you. You don't get the benefit of the doubt here. Here's the headline: "Western media concocts ‘evidence’ UN report on Oct 7 sex crimes failed to deliver" No guys, it wasn't denying crimes! It was just claiming the evidence of those crimes was fabricated! Douchenugget. maybe they didn’t collect “concrete evidence” because at the time the victims were still fuckin missing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Shame Distorted went this direction considering there was only 1 person in this thread saying what Israel was doing after the attack was ok. Now I gotta defend Israel because of one dip shit denying any rapes occurred. I guess that woman bleeding from her asshole liked whatever got shoved up there. Fuckin pieces of shit 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/15/2024 at 10:47 AM, 1pooh4u said: Shame Distorted went this direction considering there was only 1 person in this thread saying what Israel was doing after the attack was ok. Now I gotta defend Israel because of one dip shit denying any rapes occurred. I guess that woman bleeding from her asshole liked whatever got shoved up there. Fuckin pieces of shit MD and Distorted in this thread: 452715776_843529591041516_1971094487905820676_n.mp4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 Netanyahu: Israel won't pay any price for hostage deal, won’t give up Philadelphi "Israel won’t make a hostage deal at any price Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday in advance of high-level negotiations slated for later this week. He made his comments to victims groups, just after the IDF was able to retrieve six bodies of Israelis killed in captivity in the enclave. "I am not sure that there will be a [hostage] deal," Netanyahu said according to a statement put out by both groups he met with. These were the Valor Forum representing victims of the Israel-Hamas war and the Tikva Forum composed of relatives of hostages in Gaza. "If there is a deal, it will be one that safeguards those [Israeli] interests which I have repeatedly stressed, which is preserving Israel's strategic assets," Netanyahu told the two groups, both of whom support a firm stand with regard to a deal. He met with them a day after speaking for three hours with US Secretary Antony Blinken who is in the region in an attempt to finalize a deal." Netanyhu is saying the quiet part out loud now. The odds of a hostage deal are pretty small at this point. Israel cant afford to allow Hamas to continue to exist, so they will do what is needed to end the war. They also are not going to give up the Philadelphi corridor anytime soon, which is a non starter for Hamas who needs that corridor to smuggle in more supplies for their terrorism. October 7th fundamentally changed the calculus in the region. Israel can no longer allow Hamas to exist, and they are now publicly stating so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Translation: Netanyahu never gave a single shit about the lives of the hostages and was just using them as political pawns. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Netanyhu is saying the quiet part out loud now. He has been for months. You just plugged your ears and mocked anyone that called it out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 @Master-Debater131 do you know what “saying the quiet part out loud” means cuz I’m not so sure that you do. Netanyahu and his buddies have been doing that since Oct 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 13 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: @Master-Debater131 do you know what “saying the quiet part out loud” means cuz I’m not so sure that you do. Netanyahu and his buddies have been doing that since Oct 7 From the beginning the "quiet part" has been that there may not be any hostage deal. Publicly there has always been talk, and effort, to have some sort of hostage deal. They even had the one earlier where there was a pause and release of some hostages. Now that he is openly saying that there may not be a deal it represents a shift in tone, and a clear shift in public expectations for this war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said: From the beginning the "quiet part" has been that there may not be any hostage deal. Publicly there has always been talk, and effort, to have some sort of hostage deal. They even had the one earlier where there was a pause and release of some hostages. Now that he is openly saying that there may not be a deal it represents a shift in tone, and a clear shift in public expectations for this war. You're shifting the goal posts: you specifically said that the "quiet part" was Hamas ceasing to exist: Quote October 7th fundamentally changed the calculus in the region. Israel can no longer allow Hamas to exist, and they are now publicly stating so. In fact, Netanyahu hasn't just explicitly stated this from the beginning, it's been stated by the Israeli government for as long as Hamas has been in existence. They have never "allowed" Hamas to exist, they simply can't eradicate it. But, that aside, Netanyahu didn't have to say there was no hostage deal planned because the goal all along had been to eliminate Hamas. Now that the unrealistic goal has failed in spectacular fashion, he is stuck with a bad negotiating position - he does not have the option to not negotiate for hostage release until all of the hostages are rescued or, more likely, recovered. He already has the victims' families breathing down his neck and he's facing an increasingly fractured coalition. If he says that no deal is possible for getting the hostages back, he's effectively doomed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Netanyahu has never wanted to save the hostages. He has an area bombed flat and then the bodies get pulled out. That's it. If you asked him to define 'Hamas', 'Palestinian' would be the only qualifier. If he was told that any actual 'Hamas' terrorists would immediately die if he himself died, 100% guarantee - his own blood is the ink in a DeathNote type of thing, he would go and have another school bombed instead. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 53 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: From the beginning the "quiet part" has been that there may not be any hostage deal. Publicly there has always been talk, and effort, to have some sort of hostage deal. They even had the one earlier where there was a pause and release of some hostages. Now that he is openly saying that there may not be a deal it represents a shift in tone, and a clear shift in public expectations for this war. This is not what the phrase means. In this context, to "say the quiet part loud" is to say that no hostage deal was ever a consideration. The phrase does not apply to "may or may not" situations. It applies when the person saying it was always actively and intentionally going against their publicly stated position. The phrase specifically refers to liars. It is not about uncertainty nor simply being incorrect. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 32 minutes ago, scoobdog said: You're shifting the goal posts: you specifically said that the "quiet part" was Hamas ceasing to exist: In fact, Netanyahu hasn't just explicitly stated this from the beginning, it's been stated by the Israeli government for as long as Hamas has been in existence. They have never "allowed" Hamas to exist, they simply can't eradicate it. But, that aside, Netanyahu didn't have to say there was no hostage deal planned because the goal all along had been to eliminate Hamas. Now that the unrealistic goal has failed in spectacular fashion, he is stuck with a bad negotiating position - he does not have the option to not negotiate for hostage release until all of the hostages are rescued or, more likely, recovered. He already has the victims' families breathing down his neck and he's facing an increasingly fractured coalition. If he says that no deal is possible for getting the hostages back, he's effectively doomed. MD also likes to ignore that the fall of ISIS was only possible because of Palestinian fighters, who made up much more of the resistance than the US or Israel. As a result, Israel is unironically killing the people who are most significant in fighting Hamas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: From the beginning the "quiet part" has been that there may not be any hostage deal. Publicly there has always been talk, and effort, to have some sort of hostage deal. They even had the one earlier where there was a pause and release of some hostages. Now that he is openly saying that there may not be a deal it represents a shift in tone, and a clear shift in public expectations for this war. There never was going to be a hostage deal period. Netanyahu and his gang of evil clowns made plenty of statements to suggest that from day 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Not so much "the quiet part out loud" as it is now they don't care how many children they have to blow up to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, PenguinBoss said: Not so much "the quiet part out loud" as it is now they don't care how many children they have to blow up to do it. They only cared about how many people saw them killing the children. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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