ITN: Israel

[Master-Debater131]

Further proof that Israel is absolutely in the right by going into Gaza and destroying Hamas by any means necessary. Hamas is a terrorist organization who will stop and nothing until every single Jewish person is eradicated. They must be destroyed.

 

[Insipid]

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Edited November 1, 2023 by Insipid
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[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Further proof that Israel is absolutely in the right by going into Gaza and destroying Hamas by any means necessary. Hamas is a terrorist organization who will stop and nothing until every single Jewish person is eradicated. They must be destroyed.

 

They’re not destroying Hamas.  They’re destroying innocent bystanders and civilians.

[discolé monade]

34 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

They’re not destroying Hamas.  They’re destroying innocent bystanders and civilians.

literally watching her in this thread be like 

but my favorite is JUST when she gets ready to climax

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Further proof that Israel is absolutely in the right by going into Gaza and destroying Hamas by any means necessary. Hamas is a terrorist organization who will stop and nothing until every single Jewish person is eradicated. They must be destroyed.

 

 

[Master-Debater131]

48 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

They’re not destroying Hamas.  They’re destroying innocent bystanders and civilians.

Oh? And care to explain why that is happening? Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Hamas actively uses human shields, could it?

[PenguinBoss]

It's okay to commit war crimes as long as the other side does it first, I guess.

[naraku360]

4 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Oh? And care to explain why that is happening? Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Hamas actively uses human shields, could it?

So, if a school shooter grabs a kid and uses them as a shield, the police should just shoot through the kid because the shooter already killed some anyway?

Edited November 1, 2023 by naraku360

[Master-Debater131]

That might be the dumbest analogy I have ever read. This isn't some wacko held up in a building, this is a war.

Lets be clear, 100% of all civilian deaths in this war are because of Hamas. 100%.

Prior to 10/7 Israel was not killing anyone. They were staying within their borders and living their life. Then Hamas decided to declare war with the brazen massacre of 1,400 people. And thats exactly what 10/7 was, it was a declaration of war by Hamas.

Hamas is the government of Gaza. They were elected in the last set of elections and then completely took over. They have wide support within Gaza as well.

At any point all of these deaths could stop if Hamas were to surrender. Simple as that. No more war, no more civilian deaths, nothing.

But they wont. And the reason they wont is because they want this death and suffering. They are counting on useful idiots in the West blaming Israel for this entire thing.They purposely hide behind civilians specifically to get these kinds of reactions in the West.

Israel goes out of its way to warn civilians of impending strikes. They have warned for weeks that a ground operation was coming.Sent alerts on phones. Dropped leaflets. Told the world the specific places they were going to attack fully knowing that gave Hamas time to leave. They did more to protect civilian life in Gaza than Hamas ever did.

No other nation on Earth does what Israel does to protect civilians during war. And yet they are always blasted as the bad guys thanks to useful idiots and the massive antisemitic sentiment that has taken root in the West.

[naraku360]

20 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

That might be the dumbest analogy I have ever read. This isn't some wacko held up in a building, this is a war.

 

52 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Oh? And care to explain why that is happening? Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Hamas actively uses human shields, could it?

You're saying the only reason civilians are being killed is because they're being used as shields, as if it's an inevitability. I gave an example of another human shield situation and now you're crying foul.

It's not a stupid analogy just because it calls you out on your pro-genocide bullshit.

And fuck off with the "Israel didn't kill anyone before 10/7" garbage. They've been killing Palestinians for ages, and you damn well know it, you lying sod.

[naraku360]

Also, nice to know @Geminiis pro-genocide and would prefer to play Ginguy 2.0 with the nutless reacts over putting up his own grotesque opinions.

It's like you guys can't comprehend that opposing Hamas isn't the same as supporting the massacre of innocents.

[naraku360]

2 hours ago, PenguinBoss said:

It's okay to commit war crimes as long as the other side does it first, I guess.

I don't know why I bothered responding to MD when her solution to terrorism is terrorism.

Bad habits die hard.

[Gemini]

All I'm gonna say, Naraku, is that Hamas, the terrorist organization that literally slaughtered 30 defenseless babies, literally has the annihilation of Israel and the Jews as its mission in its own charter.

Also, don't ever tag me again. I've stayed out of this folder because politics is bullshit.

[naraku360]

5 minutes ago, Gemini said:

All I'm gonna say, Naraku, is that Hamas, the terrorist organization that literally slaughtered 30 defenseless babies, literally has the annihilation of Israel and the Jews as its mission in its own charter.

Also, don't ever tag me again. I've stayed out of this folder because politics is bullshit.

How does that justify the Israeli government killing civilians en masse? Hamas' atrocities are not an excuse to enact atrocities yourself.

Israel going after innocent people is terrorism.

Do you think I support Hamas or something? What do you even think I'm saying?

You seem to think I'm defending Hamas, when I'm actually defending Hamas' victims. You know, the innocent people that have been terrorized by Hamas and are now being killed in open genocide as punishment for Hamas' actions.

Hamas doesn’t represent Palestinians any more than Israel represents Jews. Judaism is not equivalent to being pro-Israel. Opposing Israel's actions toward innocent civilians is not the same as supporting Hamas.

What MD is doing is acting like it's just some necessary evil when all this does is breed more terrorism. As it has done over and over and over throughout all of human history.

[scoobdog]

5 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Oh? And care to explain why that is happening? Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Hamas actively uses human shields, could it?

Don't try talking down to me, sweety - I'll bury you.

Of course they're using innocent people as human shields.  Terrorists always use civilians as human shields; in fact, they count on it because all the collateral damage has the added benefit of giving the terrorists a rational argument to continue.  To use an overly simplified analogy:  the guy who throws a punch in the middle of a packed crowd at an NFL game is expecting that whomever he hits is going to retaliate immediately to defend themselves, and the counterpunch not only will be deflected by an unsuspecting bystander but will also draw that bystander into the physical altercation to defend themselves.  The resulting counterpunch sets off a cascading chain of events that fundamentally alter the conflict from a purely ideological disagreement to a fight for survival within a melee.  At that point two things happen.

Israel's right to defend itself isn't in question here, nor is the depravity of the attacks.  Nonetheless, Israel's insistence on unrelenting munitions targeting within Gaza and on a full scale ground mobilization represents an escalation that changes the dynamics of the conflict... foremost by making it a universal fight between Palestinians and Jews rather then a selective eradication of the militants.  In that football fan melee, the instigator knows that there's a gap he can exploit - the melee gives him cover to potentially escape the altercation, it also introduces moral ambiguity by overlaying contemporary interpersonal conflicts between each of the participants over the original cheap shot.  Hamas has more than enough innocent cannon fodder to protect its core operations up to and through any kind of ground assault that the IDF might try.  More importantly, the air strikes and ground incursion are ultimately doomed to failure because now it's a fight for survival for the unfortunate citizens of Gaza.  They can and will kill IDF soldiers who infiltrate Gaza or be killed themselves.

We all know how this likely ends - Israel will eventually lose international support for their heavy handed tactics, but not before Gaza is laid waste.  Hamas will continue to exist because they're entrenched in Gaza and they have the support of other anti-Western militant groups as well as Iran and (possibly) Russia.  Those few Palestinians that ultimately survive the carnage will be so weakened as to have no say in what either Israel or Hamas does next.

[scoobdog]

Also, since I like to oversimplify for stupid people....

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Lets be clear, 100% of all civilian deaths in this war are because of Hamas. 100%.

Prior to 10/7 Israel was not killing anyone. They were staying within their borders and living their life. Then Hamas decided to declare war with the brazen massacre of 1,400 people. And thats exactly what 10/7 was, it was a declaration of war by Hamas.

Hamas is the government of Gaza. They were elected in the last set of elections and then completely took over. They have wide support within Gaza as well.

At any point all of these deaths could stop if Hamas were to surrender. Simple as that. No more war, no more civilian deaths, nothing.

But they wont. And the reason they wont is because they want this death and suffering. They are counting on useful idiots in the West blaming Israel for this entire thing.They purposely hide behind civilians specifically to get these kinds of reactions in the West.

Israel goes out of its way to warn civilians of impending strikes. They have warned for weeks that a ground operation was coming.Sent alerts on phones. Dropped leaflets. Told the world the specific places they were going to attack fully knowing that gave Hamas time to leave. They did more to protect civilian life in Gaza than Hamas ever did.

No other nation on Earth does what Israel does to protect civilians during war. And yet they are always blasted as the bad guys thanks to useful idiots and the massive antisemitic sentiment that has taken root in the West.

This rationale could be used against Trump supporters if in fact it were true.  We know Trump's fans can be violent, so why not kill them at every possible opportunity since they are theoretically out to eradicate all Democrats?

Yes, your logical thinking is exactly that poorly thought out.

[Master-Debater131]

You claim to say that Israel has the right to defend themselves then immediately launch into saying that no, they do not in fact have a right to defend themselves. Its only a right as long as it doesn't actually turn into action to actually protect themselves. Its laughable on its face.

100% of Civilian deaths are because of Hamas. They could end it today if they wanted to. But again, they wont. They count on those deaths to create more propaganda to create even more anti-Israel and antisemitic sentiment in the West. And they do it because it clearly works. Just look around to see how effective their propaganda is. There's a distressing mix of anti-Israel and antisemitic viewpoints. Even more when you look at places like college campuses where idiots are chanting genocidal slogans like "from the river to the sea".

Hamas started this war and continue to fight from civilian positions in order to create even more causalities. That's not the fault of Israel or anyone other than Hamas. Want the civilian causalities to stop? Great. Hamas needs to surrender.

Until that happens then there will be more civilian causalities. Because this is war, and bad shit happens in war. Even more so when one side in the war deliberately increases the number of civilian deaths by hiding behind them any chance they get. If the cost of eradicating Hamas is more deaths, then so be it. I'de rather be on the right side of history than and worry about the lives of genocidal monsters.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Master-Debater131

[Master-Debater131]

The Trump bit is also particularly cute.  We had 4 years of people saying Trump was a Nazi and that his supporters were all Nazis. And here we are faced with the single greatest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust and those very same people who spent years lecturing everyone about the dangers of Nazis and Fascism are siding with the ones who want to exterminate the Jews.

Life comes at you fast.

[Master-Debater131]

Anyways, moving back to reality:

IDF releases proof of Hamas stealing gas from Gazan hospitals

"Fill it up now, people are depending on us! They're about to shoot us they're so anxious [to get fuel]. For the love of God."

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-771238

"The IDF on Wednesday night released a recording of a conversation between a Hamas commander and a Gazan citizen revealing how Hamas takes fuel from hospitals in the Gaza Strip.

In the conversation, the commander of the West Jabaliya Brigade of Hamas speaks with the head of the Indonesian Hospital in Gaza as well as another Gazan citizen."

 

Hamas continues to do all it can to inflict pain and misery on the people of Gaza. They have no respect at all for their life, and they continue to show it. The group who will benefit the most from the erasure of Hamas continues to be the people of Gaza.

 

[scoobdog]

11 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

You claim to say that Israel has the right to defend themselves then immediately launch into saying that no, they do not in fact have a right to defend themselves. Its only a right as long as it doesn't actually turn into action to actually protect themselves. Its laughable on its face.

100% of Civilian deaths are because of Hamas. They could end it today if they wanted to. But again, they wont. They count on those deaths to create more propaganda to create even more anti-Israel and antisemitic sentiment in the West. And they do it because it clearly works. Just look around to see how effective their propaganda is. There's a distressing mix of anti-Israel and antisemitic viewpoints. Even more when you look at places like college campuses where idiots are chanting genocidal slogans like "from the river to the sea".

Hamas started this war and continue to fight from civilian positions in order to create even more causalities. That's not the fault of Israel or anyone other than Hamas. Want the civilian causalities to stop? Great. Hamas needs to surrender.

Until that happens then there will be more civilian causalities. Because this is war, and bad shit happens in war. Even more so when one side in the war deliberately increases the number of civilian deaths by hiding behind them any chance they get. If the cost of eradicating Hamas is more deaths, then so be it. I'de rather be on the right side of history than and worry about the lives of genocidal monsters.

What’s laughable is your apparent inability to understand consequences.  Israel isn’t going to eliminate Hamas by bombing and invading GAza, and that alone invalidates the current operations.  It doesn’t matter if all the Palestinians killed are 100% on Hamas, they’re still dead and Hamas isn’t any more monstrous than they already are.

[scoobdog]

6 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

The Trump bit is also particularly cute.  We had 4 years of people saying Trump was a Nazi and that his supporters were all Nazis. And here we are faced with the single greatest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust and those very same people who spent years lecturing everyone about the dangers of Nazis and Fascism are siding with the ones who want to exterminate the Jews.

Life comes at you fast.

Apparently too fast for you to comprehend.

[naraku360]

36 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

You claim to say that Israel has the right to defend themselves then immediately launch into saying that no, they do not in fact have a right to kill the hostages.

Fixed to reflect the real sentiment rather than your strawman.

Edited November 1, 2023 by naraku360

[naraku360]

30 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

The Trump bit is also particularly cute.  We had 4 years of people saying Trump was a Nazi and that his supporters were all Nazis. And here we are faced with the single greatest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust and those very same people who spent years lecturing everyone about the dangers of Nazis and Fascism are siding with the ones who want to exterminate the Jews.

Life comes at you fast.

Point to where anyone in this thread has advocated for killing Jews.

A direct quote. I want to have the exact post.

I do not support killing bystanders. There is one person here advocating for the extermination of countless innocent people that have no affiliation with Hamas as if they aren't terrorized by Hamas enough already. You. Only you.

It's incredible you'd pull the identity politics card after so long holding open contempt for such, and to multiple people who are known to be Jewish. I'm a quarter Hebrew, doofus. I grew up going to synagogue. Being Jewish doesn’t mean I have to support Israel doing to Palestinians what Hitler did to us. A lot of Jews don't like how Israel has handled this.

Edited November 2, 2023 by naraku360

[naraku360]

ITT: Idiot invokes the holocaust to a Jew in hopes of convincing him this genocide is okay

[katt_goddess]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

The Trump bit is also particularly cute.  We had 4 years of people saying Trump was a Nazi and that his supporters were all Nazis. And here we are faced with the single greatest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust and those very same people who spent years lecturing everyone about the dangers of Nazis and Fascism are siding with the ones who want to exterminate the Jews.

Life comes at you fast.

The same people in this nation that are more than happy to chant 'from the river to the sea' today chanted 'Jews will not replace us' during Drumpf's administration and were called very good people.  

Your attempt to deflect fails. 

[matrixman124]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

What’s laughable is your apparent inability to understand consequences.  Israel isn’t going to eliminate Hamas by bombing and invading GAza, and that alone invalidates the current operations.  It doesn’t matter if all the Palestinians killed are 100% on Hamas, they’re still dead and Hamas isn’t any more monstrous than they already are.

Also the collateral killing of innocent Palestinians will undoubtedly radicalize their surviving kin.

Kind of like how ISIS happened.

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, matrixman124 said:

Also the collateral killing of innocent Palestinians will undoubtedly radicalize their surviving kin.

Kind of like how ISIS happened.

That’s subject to debate.  Radicalization is rarely successful at gunpoint partly because of the pathological elements of indoctrination.  A certain type of person has to be willing to kill soft targets, children in particular, and it’s usually a combination of biological personality traits and behavior learned at a very early age through a type of intrafamiliar trauma specific to identity and self worth.  Make no mistake, people who willingly become murderers are psychopaths.

While it could be argued that the latest assault is an opportunity for latent psychopaths,  the sustained historical suppression of Palestinians has likely already introduced them to militancy.

[matrixman124]

3 hours ago, scoobdog said:

That’s subject to debate.  Radicalization is rarely successful at gunpoint partly because of the pathological elements of indoctrination.  A certain type of person has to be willing to kill soft targets, children in particular, and it’s usually a combination of biological personality traits and behavior learned at a very early age through a type of intrafamiliar trauma specific to identity and self worth.  Make no mistake, people who willingly become murderers are psychopaths.

While it could be argued that the latest assault is an opportunity for latent psychopaths,  the sustained historical suppression of Palestinians has likely already introduced them to militancy.

Wiping out Hamas 1.0 is going to produce Hamas 2.0.

What I'm trying to say is what Israel is doing is pointless because as long as they attack Palestinians they're going to create more of what they're trying to destroy.

Hamas didn't come out of nowhere.

Edited November 2, 2023 by matrixman124

[scoobdog]

53 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Wiping out Hamas 1.0 is going to produce Hamas 2.0.

What I'm trying to say is what Israel is doing is pointless because as long as they attack Palestinians they're going to create more of what they're trying to destroy.

Hamas didn't come out of nowhere.

I get that, but there is still a danger to putting a direct link between organized terrorism and the authoritative actions of the Israeli state.  Hamas isn’t the product of rational Palestinian partisans, so it stands to reason that you can’t make a direct causal relationship between the two.

No, what Israel is doing is weakening the lawful and legitimate Palestinian state which leads to Hamas evolving rather than reforming.

[Mix]

 

19 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

19 hours ago, scoobdog said:

On 10/30/2023 at 9:29 PM, naraku360 said:

I don't know how any of you tolerate this thread.

I've got money on Captain America.

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

If we were to attack Russia, would Russia "have the right to protect itself" by dropping nukes on us? War is war.

Also having concern for innocent Palestinian civilians =/= Anti-Semitism. That claim sounds quite Islamophobic though.

[cyberbully]

I just can't look away.

[naraku360]

1 hour ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Also having concern for innocent Palestinian civilians =/= Anti-Semitism.

MD and @Gemini be like

[André Toulon]

10 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

MD and @Gemini be like

Lol reported ⚰️

[naraku360]

12 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

Lol reported ⚰️

[Icarus27k]

2 hours ago, cyberbully said:

I just can't look away.

I have. I don't know what specifically is being said. I just know the cast involved. 

[discolé monade]

1 hour ago, naraku360 said:

MD and @Gemini be like

SHOTS FIRED!

[Master-Debater131]

In battle for Gaza stronghold, 100 women and children pushed forward by Hamas to act as human barrier

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk4yhmlq6

"IDF troops who engaged in fierce combat with Hamas terrorists for control over an operations base in the Gaza Strip were met with a disturbing tactic: roughly 100 women and children were pushed forward by Hamas to act as a human barrier."

 

The sad thing is that this isnt the first time Hamas has used tactics like this. The reason that they did it yet again is that it worked before. Either Israel doesnt fire back and they just take more causalities, or they do and then the useful idiots lose their mind as they eat up the pro-Hamas propaganda.

[Master-Debater131]

IDF chief: Israeli forces have Gaza city surrounded

Fuel will be moved into hospitals across the Gaza Strip only under strict Israeli supervision, Halevi also said.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-771374

"The Israeli Air Force is bringing less than half of its capabilities to bear in Operation Swords of Iron, IDF Chief-of-Staff Herzi Halevi said in a televised statement on Thursday afternoon.

The IDF significantly advanced and is now "in the heart" of the ground operation in the northern Gaza Strip.

Israeli forces have been operating in Gaza city, Halevi said, adding that it has been surrounded and encircled by the forces."

 

This is fantastic news. The IDF has made great progress in their war against Hamas. Having Gaza City surrounded means they can start to go in and tear out evil by its root. It also means that the IDF can continue to protect civilians by providing fuel to the hospitals. Fuel that Hamas has, but refuses to release because they are holding it to continue to try and wage war. The IDF continues to prove that they care more about the civilians in Gaza than Hamas ever has.

[naraku360]

15 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

In battle for Gaza stronghold, 100 women and children pushed forward by Hamas to act as human barrier

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk4yhmlq6

"IDF troops who engaged in fierce combat with Hamas terrorists for control over an operations base in the Gaza Strip were met with a disturbing tactic: roughly 100 women and children were pushed forward by Hamas to act as a human barrier."

 

The sad thing is that this isnt the first time Hamas has used tactics like this. The reason that they did it yet again is that it worked before. Either Israel doesnt fire back and they just take more causalities, or they do and then the useful idiots lose their mind as they eat up the pro-Hamas propaganda.

Lol, now she's just openly advocating for mowing down hostages.

If you don't, you've fallen for the pro-Hamas propaganda. 

Obviously, it's for their own good if Israel kills them before Hamas does!

[Master-Debater131]

 

[scoobdog]

If 50 million people were wiped out, society would collapse.

[naraku360]

23 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

 

On 11/1/2023 at 1:40 PM, Master-Debater131 said:

That might be the dumbest analogy I have ever read.

 

[scoobdog]

How dumb was it?

[Master-Debater131]

Netanyahu: No temporary ceasefire without our hostages released; no fuel into Gaza

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-no-temporary-ceasefire-without-our-hostages-released-no-fuel-into-gaza/

"In a brief televised statement before the start of Shabbat, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he has told visiting US Secretary of State Antony Blinken that he rejects any temporary halt to the fight against Hamas that does not include “the release of our hostages. He also says Israel “will not enable the entry of fuel to Gaza.”

Netanyahu begins by promising that victory will be “sharp and clear” and will “resonate for generations.”

He says Israel’s enemies aim to destroy the country and will fail. “We won’t stop until victory,” he says, specifying that this means “to destroy Hamas, [and attain the] return of the hostages and the restoration of security for our citizens and children.”"

 

And there shouldn't be a ceasefire. Hes absolutely right to not even think of having one right now. Disappointing about the fuel, but I cant blame him. Hamas would just steal it and use it to attack Israel. Ultimately the responsibility for providing fuel still falls with Hamas. They wont provide any though as they have made it abundantly clear they dont care about civilians.

[Master-Debater131]

 

Fetterman spitting facts. At no time has the IDF targeted civilians.

[scoobdog]

The best news of all is that the IDF won't have to stop fighting at all if the hostages who are totally not being targeted end up as collateral casualties.

[naraku360]

"Israel is 100% in the right on this and did nothing wrong!"

Israel:

 

[Icarus27k]

Is this war still going on? 

 

Maybe it would help if both Israelis and Palestinians got better governments. 

[Icarus27k]

21 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

Fetterman spitting facts. At no time has the IDF targeted civilians.

 

 

 

Definite claim: The IDF isn't targeting civilians. 

 

Something a random American on a message board doesn't know for sure.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Icarus27k

[Icarus27k]

The Israeli government hates Palestinian people, so I can't definitely say IDF soldiers don't go, "let's kill that random woman and child when no one is looking."