scoobdog Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: You, and others, keep saying that as if its even remotely possible with Hamas in charge. Until everyone accepts the reality that the 2 state solution is dead as long as Hamas exists then there is no way forward. So, while Israel waits for them to disappear, Hamas crawls back from under a rock and ends up stronger than before the terrorist attack. Great plan skippy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, scoobdog said: So, while Israel waits for them to disappear, Hamas crawls back from under a rock and ends up stronger than before the terrorist attack. Great plan skippy. Not a whole lot of waiting around on Israels part these days. They are still firmly in the "hunt and kill" phase of dealing with Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Not a whole lot of waiting around on Israels part these days. They are still firmly in the "hunt and kill" phase of dealing with Hamas. So what’s ratio of Hamas terrorists killed to the number of IDF soldiers killed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, scoobdog said: So what’s ratio of Hamas terrorists killed to the number of IDF soldiers killed? By all accounts its pretty impressive. The IDF is doing a damn good job at hunting and killing Hamas terrorists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I have yet to see any such numbers. We know how many IDF soldiers have been killed in action. We have a rough scale of the number of Gazans who have been killed during the fight. We do not have even a rough estimate of how many Hamas fighters have actually been killed. Want to hazard a guess as to why not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Israel doesn't see a difference between Hamas and the general population. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: By all accounts its pretty impressive. The IDF is doing a damn good job at hunting and killing Hamas terrorists. They also do a bang up job of blowing up children, hostages running for their lives, and their own men. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: You, and others, keep saying that as if its even remotely possible with Hamas in charge. Until everyone accepts the reality that the 2 state solution is dead as long as Hamas exists then there is no way forward. Maybe the Israeli government shouldn't have supported hamas all those years ago. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 (edited) The UNWRA actively participated in the October 7th attacks. Edited January 26 by Master-Debater131 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: The UNWRA actively participated in the October 7th attacks. That's not what the linked post is saying, even remotely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Quote The head of UNRWA, Philippe Lazzarini said, on Friday that Israel had provided his organisation "with information about the alleged involvement of several UNRWA employees in the horrific attacks on Israel on October 7". He said UNRWA had placed a number of employees under investigation and severed ties with them. An adviser to the Israeli prime minister told the BBC that the 7 October Hamas attacks had involved "people who are on their [UNRWA] salaries". https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Raptorpat said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203 To add - it's should not be a surprise that people on Hamas' payroll are also working for the UNRWA given that the people who best know Gaza, its residents, are the same pool of people Hamas recruits from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 5 hours ago, scoobdog said: That's not what the linked post is saying, even remotely. MD can't read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, stilgar said: MD refuses to read facts. fixed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 Fetterman is rapidly turning into my favorite Senator. I also find it absolutely hilarious that they are saying he "cant hide" when he is literally standing there waving an Israeli flag. Hes not hiding a damn thing, hes on the right side of history and he knows it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Ah yes, murdering children is the right side of history to MD. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/24/2024 at 1:00 PM, Master-Debater131 said: You, and others, keep saying that as if its even remotely possible with Hamas in charge. Until everyone accepts the reality that the 2 state solution is dead as long as Hamas exists then there is no way forward. I don't think retaliating by murdering babies back is conducive to conflict resolution. It revitalizes Hamas. You act as if anyone here wants Hamas in power, but that's not the case. You're shadowboxing. You've consistently thrown nuance out the door by declaring all Palestinians to be Hamas. You've condemned the victims of Hamas to the same treatment from another boot. Is a massacre of thousands of innocents justified because "they started it" as if global affairs could be handled by kindergarteners? Resolve it by blindly lashing out with no regard for who gets caught in the crossfire? Did you not learn from al-Quada reviving as Isis which revived as Hamas? Evidently your approach has been a failure unlike any seen in human history. Last time I checked someone killing your baby doesn't magically make it okay for you to murder theirs back. Edited January 28 by naraku360 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Isn't it peculiar how @Master-Debater131 started her campaign with crying about the brutality of Hamas toward babies, yet they haven't come up so much recently? Almost like cheerleading mass destruction takes precedent over the political pawns children as soon as Israel's crimes against babykind were exposed? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, naraku360 said: I don't think retaliating by murdering babies back is conducive to conflict resolution. It revitalizes Hamas. You act as if anyone here wants Hamas in power, but that's not the case. You're shadowboxing. You've consistently thrown nuance out the door by declaring all Palestinians to be Hamas. You've condemned the victims of Hamas to the same treatment from another boot. Is a massacre of thousands of innocents justified because "they started it" as if global affairs could be handled by kindergarteners? Resolve it by blindly lashing out with no regard for who gets caught in the crossfire? Did you not learn from al-Quada reviving as Isis which revived as Hamas? Evidently your approach has been a failure unlike any seen in human history. Last time I checked someone killing your baby doesn't magically make it okay for you to murder theirs back. Hamas knew this would happen when they went on that terror spree. It’s not about Israel being ok with murdering Palestinians and choosing to do this; bombing is literally their only play. It’s become increasingly clear their defense force is completely inept. It’s a shock to me because I would have assumed their vaunted espionage service would have included some specialized and commando units, and that doesn’t appear to be the case. The tragedy here is that hundreds of innocent Israeli hostages and hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinians died because Israel isn’t the regional power they pretend to be and a corrupt PM with his ultra conservative ministers out to save their own skin launched an ill advised/unwinnable war because they are too cowardly to admit they let the kidnappings happen on their watch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 The IDF didn't bomb all those people because they were inept. They bombed them because that was always the plan. All they needed was an excuse to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 Major escalation by Iranian backed terrorists. They killed 3 servicemen and injured another 25 in an overnight attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, stilgar said: The IDF didn't bomb all those people because they were inept. They bombed them because that was always the plan. All they needed was an excuse to do it. And it was the plan because that’s all they can do. Israel doesn’t have much of a military without all the expensive hardware the United States sells them. It’s also debatable whether or not Israel is actually looking for a fight. The sorry state of their armed forces would suggest the disproportionate response might be more of a defense mechanism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: Major escalation by Iranian backed terrorists. They killed 3 servicemen and injured another 25 in an overnight attack. Iran is risk adverse and doesn't want a war with the U.S. Moreover, recent public comments by Biden administration officials imply the U.S. and Iran have been messaging each other about not escalating into direct war. So, I don't think this is a deliberate escalation by Iran. But, unfortunately, it is something that the U.S. has to respond to. If I had to guess, the U.S. response will be confined to Iraq and Syria (not in Iran itself). It also is an example of how tinderbox-like things are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Also, sometimes you hear supposed experts use the word "deterrence" in reference to the Middle East. They'll say something like "deterrence needs to be restored against Iran, or else something bad will happen". They're thinking of Cold War deterrence which I'm not sure applies to militias in Iraq and Syria or to Houthis. So I'm skeptical of listening to anyone who calls for military action to "restore deterrence". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Thank goodness we have an expert on X to talk about possible war with Iran. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 My broader point is that a lot of social media know-nothings with thin resumes are trying to encourage U.S. military action. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scoobdog Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Deterrence is an antiquated strategy to be sure. It works between two superpowers when both superpowers have some kind of skin in the action. It doesn’t work when there is a power differential, and it’s counterproductive when dealing with terrorists and insurgents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 For a brief moment I thought we were going to acknowledge 3 U.S. soldiers were killed by hostile fire today, that we don't know the full story about what happened and that we wouldn't say crazy crap immediately after hearing about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Maybe we are finally going to get serious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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naraku360 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 21 hours ago, Icarus27k said: Thank goodness we have an expert on X to talk about possible war with Iran. "Mostly" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 An attempt to appease the US before it attacks them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 52 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: An attempt to appease the US before it attacks them. Why would they think "aiming to prevent 'embarrassment' to the iraqi government" is a coherent rationale? Is there an additional claim that the strike was mistakenly directed at the barracks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Intelligence Reveals Details of U.N. Agency Staff’s Links to Oct. 7 Attack Around 10% of Palestinian aid agency’s 12,000 staff in Gaza have links to militants, according to intelligence dossier https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36 "TEL AVIV—At least 12 employees of the U.N.’s Palestinian refugee agency had connections to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel and around 10% of all of its Gaza staff have ties to Islamist militant groups, according to intelligence reports reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Six United Nations Relief and Works Agency workers were part of the wave of Palestinian militants who killed 1,200 people in the deadliest assault on Jews since the Holocaust, according to the intelligence dossier. Two helped kidnap Israelis. Two others were tracked to sites where scores of Israeli civilians were shot and killed. Others coordinated logistics for the assault, including procuring weapons. Of the 12 Unrwa employees with links to the attacks, seven were primary or secondary school teachers, including two math teachers, two Arabic language teachers and one primary school teacher." The UNWRA is rotten to its core. its good that its funding is being pulled and the entire scam appears close to collapse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/18/2024 at 10:02 AM, Icarus27k said: Although, it would be funny if the U.S. suddenly pulls out of a hat an end to the current Gaza war and a Palestinian state next to Israel. Scoop: State Department reviewing options for possible recognition of Palestinian state Secretary of State Tony Blinken asked the State Department to conduct a review and present policy options on possible U.S. and international recognition of a Palestinian state after the war in Gaza, two U.S. officials briefed on the issue told Axios. Why it matters: While U.S. officials say there has been no policy change, the fact the State Department is even considering such options signals a shift in thinking within the Biden administration on possible Palestinian statehood recognition, which is highly sensitive both internationally and domestically. For decades, U.S. policy has been to oppose the recognition of Palestine as a state both bilaterally and in UN institutions and to stress Palestinian statehood should only be achieved through direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. https://www.axios.com/2024/01/31/palestine-statehood-biden-israel-gaza-war 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 1/31/2024 at 11:14 AM, Master-Debater131 said: Intelligence Reveals Details of U.N. Agency Staff’s Links to Oct. 7 Attack Around 10% of Palestinian aid agency’s 12,000 staff in Gaza have links to militants, according to intelligence dossier https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36 "TEL AVIV—At least 12 employees of the U.N.’s Palestinian refugee agency had connections to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel and around 10% of all of its Gaza staff have ties to Islamist militant groups, according to intelligence reports reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Six United Nations Relief and Works Agency workers were part of the wave of Palestinian militants who killed 1,200 people in the deadliest assault on Jews since the Holocaust, according to the intelligence dossier. Two helped kidnap Israelis. Two others were tracked to sites where scores of Israeli civilians were shot and killed. Others coordinated logistics for the assault, including procuring weapons. Of the 12 Unrwa employees with links to the attacks, seven were primary or secondary school teachers, including two math teachers, two Arabic language teachers and one primary school teacher." The UNWRA is rotten to its core. its good that its funding is being pulled and the entire scam appears close to collapse. First they were saying 12 employees and now they're saying 6 employees Make up your mind Israel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 23 hours ago, matrixman124 said: First they were saying 12 employees and now they're saying 6 employees Make up your mind Israel the media can't decide on whether to tickle taints like MD, or try to be honest. LOL....honesty in the media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Master-Debater131 Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-786088 US, Qatar working to expel Hamas from Doha - report "The US and Qatar are working together to expel Hamas leaders from Doha, Al-Arabiya reported on Friday. The head of Hamas's politburo, Ismail Haniyeh, has lived in luxury in Doha for years. Qatar has been central in meditating talks aimed at reaching a ceasefire and a release of the hostages being held by Hamas in Gaza. The Al-Arabiya report did not provide further details about the alleged Qatari and American efforts to expel Hamas from Doha." Woahhhh boy. This would be a huge deal if true. It also would likely mean that these guys will be dead rather quickly. Mossad wants to get them, and the only thing stopping that right now is the fact that they are in Qatar. If they go to pretty much any other nation they are going to be right at the top of the hit list. Cmon Qatar, make it happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Huge news. This also comes as Egypt has warned Hamas they have 2 weeks to come to a deal or the IDF is going to take Rafah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Huge news. This also comes as Egypt has warned Hamas they have 2 weeks to come to a deal or the IDF is going to take Rafah. Hostages that Israel didn't kill? Is that a first? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) On 2/12/2024 at 8:38 AM, naraku360 said: Hostages that Israel didn't kill? Is that a first? israel made up for it. because of course they did: Dozens of people, including children, have been killed as “extremely intense” Israeli airstrikes and shelling pounded multiple locations in Rafah overnight Monday, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society Edited February 13 by discolé monade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 hours ago, discolé monade said: israil made up for it. because of course they did: Dozens of people, including children, have been killed as “extremely intense” Israeli airstrikes and shelling pounded multiple locations in Rafah overnight Monday, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society @Master-Debater131 can now take a sigh of relief knowing at least they killed most of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Two hostages saved versus the hundreds still unaccounted for is absolutely pathetic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 ‘Hamas is not a terrorist group,’ says UN Relief Chief Martin Griffiths https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-787084 "UN Relief Chief Martin Griffiths told a representative from Sky News on Wednesday that he did not consider Hamas to be a terrorist group. Asked about the feasibility of Israel’s military goal to eliminate Hamas and disallow the terrorist group from having any governing say in Gaza, Griffiths responded “Hamas is not a terrorist group for us, as you know, it is a political movement. But, I think it is very very difficult to dislodge these groups without a negotiated solution; which includes their aspirations. “I cannot think of an example offhand of a place where a victory through warfare has succeeded against a well-entrenched group, terrorist or otherwise.” Speaking of Hamas’s October 7 attack, Griffiths said he had “total understanding” of the “trauma” it had caused Israel but that Israel would need to build a relationship with its neighbors regardless." Its hard to be snarky about this one because its just so detached from reality. It really reads like its an Onion article, not an actual quote from someone at the UN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 8 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: It really reads like its an Onion article https://www.theonion.com/search?blogId=1636079510&q=gaza×tamp=1708127019776 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Statement by Martin Griffiths, Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator The scenario we have long dreaded is unraveling at alarming speed. More than half of Gaza’s population – well over 1 million people – are crammed in Rafah, staring death in the face: They have little to eat, hardly any access to medical care, nowhere to sleep, nowhere safe to go. They, like the entire population of Gaza, are the victims of an assault that is unparalleled in its intensity, brutality and scope. More than 28,000 people – mostly women and children – have been killed across Gaza, according to the Ministry of Health. For more than four months, humanitarian workers have been doing the near-impossible to assist people in need, despite the risks they themselves were facing and the traumas they were enduring. But no amount of dedication and goodwill is enough to keep millions of people alive, fed and protected – while the bombs are falling and the aid is choked off. Add to this the widespread despair, the breakdown of law and order, and the defunding of UNRWA. The consequences are humanitarian workers who are shot at, held at gunpoint, attacked and killed. I have said for weeks now that our humanitarian response is in tatters. Today, I’m sounding the alarm once again: Military operations in Rafah could lead to a slaughter in Gaza. They could also leave an already fragile humanitarian operation at death’s door. We lack the safety guarantees, the aid supplies and the staff capacity to keep this operation afloat. The international community has been warning against the dangerous consequences of any ground invasion in Rafah. The Government of Israel cannot continue to ignore these calls. History will not be kind. This war must end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomBubba Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Air strikes don't win wars. The U.S. learned that in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just going in guns firing doesn't work either. The use of special forces in targeted strikes at leadership were much more effective. We know Israel already has the intelligence resources and ability to do these targeted assaults, there doesn't seem to be much of a reason not to use them. Hamas needs to be eliminated in order for Gazans to have the extent of outside relations like the West Banks. The current strategy now just seems like they're trying to kill ants with a blowtorch. Netanyahu for some reason has thinks that pissing away the good will of the rest of the world following 10/7 was a winning strategy. I guess he believes he needs to hang on for a few months and Trump will give him a blank check to expel the Gazans into Egypt, a country he probably thinks Trump and Saudi Arabia could bribe into accepting them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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