MasqueradeOverture Posted July 16, 2023 Author Share Posted July 16, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 2:43 PM, Master-Debater131 said: Thus begins the first AI War Uhhh... "The gift of prophesy, Apollo, etc." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 10:14 AM, Master-Debater131 said: Thats because you arent looking at all the possibilities I personally cant wait until I can create a full digital AI version of myself so I can have it sit in on all these lame ass "teambuilding" teams and zoom calls. What kind of monsters make you use video on your work calls? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 The official list of SAG-AFTRA demands and AMPTP replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 “Protect kids” “No” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Is that so? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Doomed to reels and Twitter content because the industry couldn't pay the people keeping it alive. Ominous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 that flick that had a cattle call 'bride hard' announced that production was on hold, indef. so much for my closeup mr. demille. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 The strike allegedly claims its first victim, although I think part of it was Netflix refusing to shell out money for an IP that burned them prior. https://variety.com/2023/film/news/masters-of-the-universe-movie-dead-netflix-1235673281/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 11 hours ago, Jman said: Is that so? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 It's disrespectful that I don't see Psy in that gif 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 8 hours ago, André Toulon said: It's disrespectful that I don't see Psy in that gif 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Narrow AI once again being used to replace writers instead of jobs people don’t want. I’ve said it before, but we should have AI waiters and AI handling grunt work before we replace all our poetry with remixed recycled dreck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 By admission of earlier articles, we may not see negotiations begin till October. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Jman said: Narrow AI once again being used to replace writers instead of jobs people don’t want. I’ve said it before, but we should have AI waiters and AI handling grunt work before we replace all our poetry with remixed recycled dreck. I don’t think AI is the problem. It's just a new art form in its infancy. Once it's more advanced and people are able to use it to make actually good art, Hollywood in and of itself will effectively become obsolete since people will be able to produce films without relying on ccorporations to fund it. The problem is with corporations whose only goal is to make money. It's been a problem from the onset and now we're at the point where Hollywood is soulless with or without AI. Of course they're going to shaft writers and actors as much as humanly possible but after a certain point those very people will be able to do a lot more independently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 WGAW received a counter-offer from the AMPTP https://www.wgacontract2023.org/announcements/negotiations-update-8-11-23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I can't find the thread I wanted and I'm cooking so dumping this here for now https://www.avclub.com/judge-rules-that-strictly-ai-generated-artworks-cant-be-1850754193 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Several months later, and with all sides at an impasse, a few talk shows have decided to return to air sans writers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 No fan of Maher, but I get where Drew is coming from on this. It's hard to keep the rest of the production staff on hiatus as this strike goes on 4 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 What were the strike politics when Conan/Stewart/Colbert returned to air during the last writers strike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemistress Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: What were the strike politics when Conan/Stewart/Colbert returned to air during the last writers strike? They intentionally made bad/boring shows - so they were on the air, but it was meant to show how much impact the writers had. Like, Conan spun his wedding band for a bit... Edited September 14, 2023 by Alchemistress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I remember them doing all sorts of stupid things to fill airtime (like the three-way feud) but I didn't remember it all being intentionally bad. Either way, was it really controversial in the way that it is now, or was it accepted but the pro strike people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemistress Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I think it was accepted - some old news articles make it sound like the networks might have forced their hands, but the wga statement said no writing, no monologues, etc. I think the hosts were considered allies, crews got paid - but no one wrote. If I recall, SAG wasn't striking at the same time either. So in Barrymore's case, she's a union member, she actually has an obligation to SAG not to cross the WGA picket. Any actor who appears could be in trouble too - Thing is I remember the news of it last time, but since I'm both acting and writing now (non union with aspirations) I'm paying a different kind of attention. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I'm also curious about Ken Jennings. I've heard everything from him being a scab to there being a specific carve-out that allows him to host Jeopardy, but he doesn't talk about it so I don't know the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemistress Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) Yeah, I can't quite figure that one out - It's another WGA show, but they are using already-created material and recycled material. Contestants aren't (usually) union folks, and any production with existing material when the strike started was allowed to complete production as long as nothing new was written (like no edits on the day which is normal) - and those productions still had issues because the wga picketed and other unions wouldn't cross effectively shutting down production. Mayim isn't hosting because she's in SAG (which is what we'd expect from Drew too) And Jeopardy didn't get a carve out, nor did Barrymore or Maher - like some of the awards shows have by coming to agreements with the writers on what would and wouldn't be allowed. Maybe that's the difference with the shows that are getting crap, they're doing it without making wga agreements. ETA: Oh! And I think it's all part of the spirit of the strike vs the rule of the strike. No content means no content. Is it painful for advertisers, networks, studios, consumers, etc - yes, and it's not supposed to be easy. The fact that it's hard/challenging demonstrates the worth the writers and actors bring. ETA (2nd): So Maher is IN the WGA, so even without his show writers, he is explicitly not supposed to work for struck companies. Period. And SAG says Barrymore's show isn't struck SAG content, but I'll reiterate, SAG didn't say this: it is WGA struck content, and SAG isn't supposed to cross. Edited September 14, 2023 by Alchemistress 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Jman said: Several months later, and with all sides at an impasse, a few talk shows have decided to return to air sans writers. Maher will be trash every day of his life, but Barrymore surprised me. She has a well-loved public persona and plenty of money. Don't know why she's killing the goodwill stacked towards her, but I guess the nepo baby in her won out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I just went looking, and yeah jeopardy is not SAG-struck so that's the contractual out for Ken. Mayim as I understand it stood down out of solidarity at the end of last season, not out of union obligation. https://www.thewrap.com/ken-jennings-host-season-40-jeopardy-strikes/ And the producers forced production into gear while glossing over the WGA issue by reusing old WGAW material to shoot filler games. A lot of name-brand champs (within the jeopardy universe) refused to participate in a tournament of champions in this context, so they're doing a "second chance" tournament because there's a much larger pool of possible contestants to account for people refusing out of solidarity. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Jeopardy is basically Trivial Pursuit with buzzers. If you are just reading trivia cards that already exist in the world, you aren't really adding to things yourself. Even re-wording something isn't considered writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, katt_goddess said: Jeopardy is basically Trivial Pursuit with buzzers. If you are just reading trivia cards that already exist in the world, you aren't really adding to things yourself. Even re-wording something isn't considered writing. I would disagree with that. Like any board game, there is considerable talent that goes into creating clues for trivia question because you're not "just" rewording the prompt. Jeopardy can certainly continue with old clue prompts for a short period of time, but it's not ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, scoobdog said: I would disagree with that. Like any board game, there is considerable talent that goes into creating clues for trivia question because you're not "just" rewording the prompt. Jeopardy can certainly continue with old clue prompts for a short period of time, but it's not ideal. I'm not dismissing what normally goes into an actual game of 'Jeopardy'. I was pointing out that under the current circumstances, it can get around the whole writers strike thing by being looked at as just a form of Trivial Pursuit since there's plenty of already existing trivia questions to be used and re-used for 'live' shows until the strike is over and the researchers can get back to hunting up things that are actually worth $1,000 instead of some Sports & Leisure card from Genus V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: Must be up in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 It's been a surprisingly eventful couple of days during the strikes. Negotiations between the writers and the AMPTP are set to resume tomorrow. To fill in their schedule, ABC went "Fuck it, Monday Night Football is back on network television." Ratings are now through the roof. CBS meanwhile is putting Yellowstone on network television. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 CNBC reports a potential deal for writers: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/21/hollywood-studios-writers-near-agreement-to-end-strike-hope-to-finalize-deal-thursday-sources-say.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Raptorpat said: CNBC reports a potential deal for writers: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/21/hollywood-studios-writers-near-agreement-to-end-strike-hope-to-finalize-deal-thursday-sources-say.html While the WGA has actually warned people to be too wary of positive news not from themselves (as there's a fear the leaks are used as pressure to take a deal), the fact that the WGA and AMPTP issued a joint statement that negotiations were set to continue is an encouraging sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Jman said: While the WGA has actually warned people to be too wary of positive news not from themselves (as there's a fear the leaks are used as pressure to take a deal), the fact that the WGA and AMPTP issued a joint statement that negotiations were set to continue is an encouraging sign. That statement reads like this: I'm still very skeptical how this'll turn out. Blackout anything AMPTP shills like Deadline or Variety have to say and wait for official WGA words of comfort (and maybe even *gasp* joy???) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/writers-guild-of-america-deal-studios-end-strike-1235597573/ Nearly 150 days later, the strike might be over. Edited September 23, 2023 by Jman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Nevermind. Strikes are still on it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 ‘Despite yesterday’s scare, the strike is officially over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2023-09-24/writers-strike-over-wga-studios-reach-deal-actors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Maybe Colbert will be back soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: Maybe Colbert will be back soon. Not sure. SAG-AFTRA is still on strike, although with a framework in place it shouldn’t be too long before they get a deal as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MasqueradeOverture Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 It's official official now: 2023 MBA Contract Materials (wgacontract2023.org) The deal does, in fact, look exceptional. Writers authorized to return to work at 12:01am PT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Are they going to wait for SAG-AFTRA to resolve or are they starting immediately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Are they going to wait for SAG-AFTRA to resolve or are they starting immediately? Depends apparently. Talk shows might start back up as soon as next week, and SNL is confirmed to return sometime in October. Ongoing shows however that have struck actors may still be striking in solidarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Ive missed literally nothing while theyve been on strike. Like, zero impact on life at all. But if this somehow means Dune gets moved back to November then Im all for it. If not then I will continue to hate everyone involved for pushing Dune back and wish they would stay away forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Ive missed literally nothing while theyve been on strike. Like, zero impact on life at all. But if this somehow means Dune gets moved back to November then Im all for it. If not then I will continue to hate everyone involved for pushing Dune back and wish they would stay away forever. Once they bump a movie to next year, it never gets moved back. Especially at this point, it's too close to its original release date (plus SAG has to sort out their shit first). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, MasqueradeOverture said: Once they bump a movie to next year, it never gets moved back. Especially at this point, it's too close to its original release date (plus SAG has to sort out their shit first). Then I will continue to hate them with a burning fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxmns Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 https://twitter.com/StrikeForceFive/status/1707047447086972957?t=vmItZWEOTMus-mxpnAdFbg&s=19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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