Master-Debater131 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 9 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Trump still hasnt apologized for the joke. I guess he agrees Puerto Rico and it's people are trash. So that makes everyone supporting Trump trash The GOP is so desperate to make this into the new basket of deplorables because they know losing the Puerto Rican vote will lose them Florida Trump has to apologize for what someone else said? Sweet! I cant wait for Harris to apologize for people calling Trump Hitler. Those are apparently the rules. So until Harris apologizes she clearly thinks that Trump is Hitler. Also, LOL Florida is not going Democrat. Its going to be an absolute bloodbath for Democrats down there. Florida is the new Texas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 3 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Have you spent any time on Reddit? Particularly in political or popular subreddits? Well, if you have, you are being astroturfed. BUSTED: The Inside Story Of How The Kamala Harris Campaign Manipulates Reddit (And Breaks The Rules) To Control The Platform https://thefederalist.com/2024/10/29/busted-the-inside-story-of-how-the-kamala-harris-campaign-manipulates-reddit-and-breaks-the-rules-to-control-the-platform/ "For years, many have speculated that Democrat political candidates may be filling social media with fake posts to deceive the public and make their campaigns and causes seem more popular than they are. These claims have often been dismissed, citing that Democrat voters are already more likely to be on the internet compared to their not-as-tech-savvy Republican counterparts. This would suggest that the constant flood of left-leaning content on websites such as Reddit was merely a reflection of the userbase. However, many people simply couldn’t shake the feeling that something was just off, especially in the run up to major elections. Despite my fervent belief that something was amiss, I never had any direct proof that Democrats were actively manipulating social media. That all changed two weeks ago, when X user @jessiprincey replied to one of my posts with a screenshot from a Discord server, seemingly related to the Harris-Walz campaign: I immediately messaged Jess, and soon received a link to the Discord server where this operation was taking place. What I’d find there went far beyond algorithmic manipulation. I discovered massive “astroturfing” campaigns operating across multiple platforms. “Astroturfing” is a political and marketing term that describes creating swarms of coordinated and/or paid messages and posts to deceptively create the illusion of support from ordinary people. Essentially, “astroturfing” is the opposite of grassroots support." This is some really good reporting with well founded evidence to prove that Reddit is being astroturfed by the Harris campaign to make her seem more popular than she really is. Powermods are members of this effort, and they even list which subreddits they specifically target for this astroturfing campaign. Its likely not just Reddit either, other social mediate sites are targeted by the Harris campaign for astroturfing. X has identified a coordinated effort to community note anyone who isnt towing the Harris party line. And it very likely goes further than that to other social media sites and message boards. Its been suspected for years that the Left does this, and now theres proof out there its happening. So if you are spending a lot of your time online, and in popular social media circles, odds are you are being astroturfed. I would say Twitter becoming the new 4chan has evened that out. Must be so fun thinking the right isn't being boosted on other platforms 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said: Trump has to apologize for what someone else said? Sweet! I cant wait for Harris to apologize for people calling Trump Hitler. Those are apparently the rules. So until Harris apologizes she clearly thinks that Trump is Hitler. Also, LOL Florida is not going Democrat. Its going to be an absolute bloodbath for Democrats down there. Florida is the new Texas. It was his rally! He should apologize because the fucking archbishop of Puerto Rico is asking him! It's not a good look! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Trump supporters are garbage and should be told so on a daily basis. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Just now, Top Gun said: Trump supporters are garbage and should be told so on a daily basis. Trump calling attention to his MSG rally where someone literally said America for Americans being like the American Bund MSG rally doesn't make it not true He knows he has Nazi supporters and he embraces them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 And Puerto Ricos shadow senator endorsed Trump. Oh and he did disavow the comedian. Trump endorsed by Puerto Rico shadow senator, disavows comedian who joked about the island at MSG rally https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/us-news/trump-endorsed-by-puerto-rico-shadow-senator-disavows-msg-comedian/ Soooooo, yea. Good luck with this whole thing. It frankly shows the desperation from the Harris camp. They are grasping at anything they can because their campaign is starting to flounder in the final days of the campaign. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 11 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Have you spent any time on Reddit? Particularly in political or popular subreddits? Well, if you have, you are being astroturfed. BUSTED: The Inside Story Of How The Kamala Harris Campaign Manipulates Reddit (And Breaks The Rules) To Control The Platform https://thefederalist.com/2024/10/29/busted-the-inside-story-of-how-the-kamala-harris-campaign-manipulates-reddit-and-breaks-the-rules-to-control-the-platform/ "For years, many have speculated that Democrat political candidates may be filling social media with fake posts to deceive the public and make their campaigns and causes seem more popular than they are. These claims have often been dismissed, citing that Democrat voters are already more likely to be on the internet compared to their not-as-tech-savvy Republican counterparts. This would suggest that the constant flood of left-leaning content on websites such as Reddit was merely a reflection of the userbase. However, many people simply couldn’t shake the feeling that something was just off, especially in the run up to major elections. Despite my fervent belief that something was amiss, I never had any direct proof that Democrats were actively manipulating social media. That all changed two weeks ago, when X user @jessiprincey replied to one of my posts with a screenshot from a Discord server, seemingly related to the Harris-Walz campaign: I immediately messaged Jess, and soon received a link to the Discord server where this operation was taking place. What I’d find there went far beyond algorithmic manipulation. I discovered massive “astroturfing” campaigns operating across multiple platforms. “Astroturfing” is a political and marketing term that describes creating swarms of coordinated and/or paid messages and posts to deceptively create the illusion of support from ordinary people. Essentially, “astroturfing” is the opposite of grassroots support." This is some really good reporting with well founded evidence to prove that Reddit is being astroturfed by the Harris campaign to make her seem more popular than she really is. Powermods are members of this effort, and they even list which subreddits they specifically target for this astroturfing campaign. Its likely not just Reddit either, other social mediate sites are targeted by the Harris campaign for astroturfing. X has identified a coordinated effort to community note anyone who isnt towing the Harris party line. And it very likely goes further than that to other social media sites and message boards. Its been suspected for years that the Left does this, and now theres proof out there its happening. So if you are spending a lot of your time online, and in popular social media circles, odds are you are being astroturfed. If you think that’s bad, wait until you hear about Twitter. It’s run by a crazed far-right billionaire that says he’s a free speech absolutions but actually censors dissenting, non-GOP posts. Man, I can’t believe you don’t know about that… 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: And Puerto Ricos shadow senator endorsed Trump. Oh and he did disavow the comedian. Trump endorsed by Puerto Rico shadow senator, disavows comedian who joked about the island at MSG rally https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/us-news/trump-endorsed-by-puerto-rico-shadow-senator-disavows-msg-comedian/ Soooooo, yea. Good luck with this whole thing. It frankly shows the desperation from the Harris camp. They are grasping at anything they can because their campaign is starting to flounder in the final days of the campaign. Oh I see so his campaign team didn't vet a controversial guest and he wasn't paying attention to what was happening at his own rally. Man Trump sure has incompetent people working for him. Its amazing how nothing is ever his fault so wow Also I didn't see no apology, MD Edited October 30 by matrixman124 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Since apparently people are still hung up on the whole MSG thing, lets look at some other famous Nazis who had rallies at MSG. This is fun. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 26 minutes ago, rpgamer said: You're telling us you genuinely believe Biden calling Trump supporters garbage means Harris might lose due to... alienating Trump supporters? I know we call you dumb around here a lot, but that sounds like you might have an actual learning disability. They need to lighten up, it was just a joke, they took it out of context, they should watch Biden's full set first. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said: Since apparently people are still hung up on the whole MSG thing, lets look at some other famous Nazis who had rallies at MSG. This is fun. What did you drink this morning? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Since apparently people are still hung up on the whole MSG thing, lets look at some other famous Nazis who had rallies at MSG. This is fun. Which rally had America for Americans as a slogan? Edited October 30 by matrixman124 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 2 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Oh I see so his campaign team didn't vet a controversial guest and he wasn't paying attention to what was happening at his own rally. Man Trump sure has incompetent people working for him. Its amazing how nothing is ever his fault so wow Also I didn't see no apology, MD These people can't even handle chartering a few buses. They've fucked it up twice already. And this is who they want to run the entire country? They'll rage about waiting in line at McDonalds, cuss out minimum wage workers, deny them a fair wage, and then vote for a guy who could be dead before 2028. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Just now, Blackrose321 said: These people can't even handle chartering a few buses. They've fucked it up twice already. And this is who they want to run the entire country? They'll rage about waiting in line at McDonalds, cuss out minimum wage workers, deny them a fair wage, and then vote for a guy who could be dead before 2028. He's so old! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 6 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: He's so old! But then we get the jolly eyeliner-wearing Manchurian candidate. Yay! It’s weird how much the GOP rages at drag queens when they’re voting for two dudes who can’t go out without their makeup. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Blackrose321 said: I am less hopeful that "the right language" will change anything. Imo straight white men are being called on to change how they define themselves - they need to make room for other people, put more thought into how they behave, and ditch outdated assumptions that no longer serve a purpose. I don't think the ones going right intend to make room for anyone. Progress has never been easy and there have always been people - especially the demographic with the most control - who have tried to stop it. If the fight for the 19th Amendment was happening today, these males would be just as toxic, if not moreso. Social media has made it easier for the worst people in society to link up and coordinate attacks to regain control. I'm not sure what you do about that. It's not a straight white male problem anymore. It's a male problem, particularly a young male problem. Young men of all races are leaving the Democrats. And although young gay men are still mostly Democrat, there are quite a few becoming more Republican these days. I think the question should be why are many young men of all races moving to the right, especially when many of them are going against their best interests by voting in such a manner? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 minute ago, Insipid said: It's not a straight white male problem anymore. It's a male problem, particularly a young male problem. Young men of all races are leaving the Democrats. And although young gay men are still mostly Democrat, there are quite a few becoming more Republican these days. I think the question should be why are many young men of all races moving to the right, especially when many of them are going against their best interests by voting in such a manner? I think a lot of it is that they want to be treated the same as the cisgender heterosexual white guys who have all the power. If they have power, then they will be equals. What we're seeing is different reactions to the inherent imbalance between those with a lot of money and power and those who don't have much at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Biden really just killed that entire story, and he did it on what was supposed to be Kamalas biggest campaign night. I cannot wait for the same people who said that the joke was going to sink Trump to say that this wont do anything to Harris. Im really not convinced he isnt trying to sabotage her a bit. Its well documents that he, and his team, do not like Harris and feel that being sidelined breaks the deal they had when he stepped down. The memes are already just fantastic at least. The right is such dogshit at memeing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 minute ago, naraku360 said: The right is such dogshit at memeing. "The blue checks and bots say I am very funny!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 2 hours ago, André Toulon said: Fif too busy trolling Diddy ...speaking of which, was Donnie at any of those Diddy parties Being a predator is the only reliable way for a black person to become friends with Trump, so definitely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Friendly reminder that there are 500k people of Puerto Rican descent living in PA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 C'mon y'all, don't let MD rile you up. There is no way she's drawing these disingenuous parallels without trolling. Like the guy headlining your rally calling PR trash and saying black people will be carving watermelons has absolutely no relation to Harris supporters calling Trump a Nazi. The wall of "Nazi rallies" she posted is so absurd that I honestly can't help but appreciate how dumb she's willing to come off just to get y'all upset. It's true dedication to the role because there is no way she's that stupid ... She's just good at pushing buttons. The reality is, the closer we get to election day, the more the results will seesaw. The political news media are truly the best suspense writers to exist, but I just can't believe how much attention she draws with minimal effort. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: Trump has to apologize for what someone else said? Sweet! I cant wait for Harris to apologize for people calling Trump Hitler. Those are apparently the rules. So until Harris apologizes she clearly thinks that Trump is Hitler. Also, LOL Florida is not going Democrat. Its going to be an absolute bloodbath for Democrats down there. Florida is the new Texas. Touch grass, dude. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 It reads more like panic and cope to me than trolling. I hope she’s ok. I can’t say I haven’t had some panic over this election, I’m just not airing my fear on a forum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: Since apparently people are still hung up on the whole MSG thing, lets look at some other famous Nazis who had rallies at MSG. This is fun. Huh, seems weird that you're fine with him having a nazi speaker at his rallies. Weird coming from the dumb bitch that thinks criticizing Israel is inherently antisemitic, isn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 41 minutes ago, Insipid said: It's not a straight white male problem anymore. It's a male problem, particularly a young male problem. Young men of all races are leaving the Democrats. And although young gay men are still mostly Democrat, there are quite a few becoming more Republican these days. I think the question should be why are many young men of all races moving to the right, especially when many of them are going against their best interests by voting in such a manner? True, it does apply to men in general. I just think straight white men are being pressed the most because some of them have a sense of lazy entitlement due to their assumed superiority as both male and white. As the left pushes for more respect and better treatment of vulnerable populations, straight white men are in a position to have to move over more than anyone else because they previously occupied the top spot. And boy did they manspread. This is just my two cents, but imo they like to think of themselves as protectors and don't like that this role has basically no place in modern US society. Most men go their entire lives without ever needing to defend their homes from an attack, a privilege afforded to them by technological/societal progress they don't appreciate. But you won't see them moving anywhere actually dangerous, they rant about being protectors from the safety of their couches. Where they are really needed - at home, taking care of their kids, helping with housework, etc. - simply does not interest these particular men. Trump had 5 kids with 3 women and he neglected all of them; this is not normal, or "loving". Trump's dad was terrible to him, too. And Vance is at least verbally abusive towards his own kids. If he's willing to publicly admit to telling his 7 year old to "shut the hell up", what do you think he does to his kids in private? These guys are playing out a role and skipping the parts of said role that don't appeal to them. So where do they belong, what is their role, what value do they provide? Some men don't want to reflect on those questions and adapt so they just shut down and get angry. Imo, this is all a pushback against progress, and that always happens. Except now, social media has made it easier for terrible people to link up. They are making a push for a time when men could pretend to be leaders while doing very little and treating everyone else like shit. If we're being honest, the bar for Boomer men was so fucking low you could trip on it. My dad, for example, thought his role was providing for his family which is super cute because my mom also worked 40+ hours...on top of doing homework with us, grocery shopping, cooking, cleaning, taking care of us when we were sick, etc. He even told my mom "You don't work", repeatedly, just to devalue her and hold his place as top dog. He had it made and, imo, the guys going right want that back. They want to be patted on the back for having a job, as if they wouldn't have had a job if they were single anyways...and as if over 72% of married mothers aren't also working now. They don't want to change diapers, do the dishes, or do nighttime feedings because that's "women's work". As for other races, I genuinely think this just comes down to the culture war that Fox manufactured to distract everyone from real problems. People aren't voting to save democracy, protect the working class, or improve anything. They are voting to shut other people out. Many voters - and this definitely applies to the MAGA movement - are single issue voters which is why you can't go a single day without Fox making some bullshit up to get people angry. You see the same nonsense from women on the right. It's pointedly not in their best interest to vote MAGA but they - like all fascists - falsely believe they'll never be hoisted by their own petard one day (until they are). It's why when you bring up things that don't fit their worldview they shut down. MD is still pretending to be "too busy" to address my proof that Trump is not strong against corporations after she claimed that he is. Because, ultimately, she isn't voting for or against that issue anyways, she's voting for a personality that she finds entertaining. And to loop all of that back around to my original point about men and their societal roles, many of these MAGA women make excuses for men which is absolutely a throwback to when women were property to be used and abused. Ugh, it reminds me of this uncomfortable conversation I got yanked into as a librarian when that fuckhead runner sexually assaulted a journalist on tv. This old woman with pure white hair and a walker was passionately defending what he did as no big deal saying that women need to learn to accept it because that's what she did in her day. So obviously internalized sexism is also a problem that MAGA women suffer from. Notably, while black men are leaving the Democratic party, black women are not. There are a few theories as to why black men are leaving and one of them is what I said further up in my novel (sorry lol) - MAGA votes to shut people out, not fix problems. And the black community is not super welcoming to certain groups within LGBTQ+. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MasqueradeOverture Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: Since apparently people are still hung up on the whole MSG thing, lets look at some other famous Nazis who had rallies at MSG. This is fun. Why are you the way you are? 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 22 minutes ago, SwimOdin said: It reads more like panic and cope to me than trolling. I hope she’s ok. I can’t say I haven’t had some panic over this election, I’m just not airing my fear on a forum. I keep my fear bottled up inside until the danger passes and then I *might* admit to having some. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 It's a lot easier to pick up on the bottling than bottlers typically think, and I say that as a bottler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Since apparently people are still hung up on the whole MSG thing, lets look at some other famous Nazis who had rallies at MSG. This is fun. And which of those rallies called 2 year old Palestinian children terrorists? Which one of those called Puerto Rico a floating Island of garbage? Which one of those implied the opposing candidate sucked cock to get ahead? Which one of those rallies promised “America for Americans”? Please enlighten us all on how any of those rallies were remotely the same? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 13 hours ago, molarbear said: Only downside.... You don't get a cool sticker to place upon your bewbs... They don't send you a sticker with your ballot? We get a sticker with our mail-in ballots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 5 hours ago, Insipid said: Young men moving away from Democrats is a problem that should be taken seriously. Just dismissing them as incels and the like gives power to Andrew Tate-esque personalities. The male ego is pathetically fragile, yes. You have to use just the right language to get messages across. It is a problem, but it's not a Democrat problem. The most reasonable explanation for young men going toward Trump is it's an unfortunate byproduct of the end stages of toxic masculinity. It's not that there are that many misogynistic men: what's most likely happening is that young men feel disaffected by not having constructive avenues for emotional expression and they channel that frustration through destructive outlets. Like you, I say that from the perspective of a straight male who can clearly see the blatant misogyny, racism and bigotry that peppers Trump's speeches and campaign material - there is no valid reason whatsoever to vote for Trump. It's just that society as a whole has a long way to go to incorporate males in a constructive way. Heck, we're only just now addressing the idea of male rape victims (with the Melendez Brothers' resentencing process) and that's part-and-parcel for any discussion about men being able to exist outside of a position of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 3 hours ago, Blackrose321 said: I am less hopeful that "the right language" will change anything. Imo straight white men are being called on to change how they define themselves - they need to make room for other people, put more thought into how they behave, and ditch outdated assumptions that no longer serve a purpose. I don't think the ones going right intend to make room for anyone. Progress has never been easy and there have always been people - especially the demographic with the most control - who have tried to stop it. If the fight for the 19th Amendment was happening today, these males would be just as toxic, if not moreso. Social media has made it easier for the worst people in society to link up and coordinate attacks to regain control. This is not to say that men don't have a lot of work to do, of course. However, we also don't exist in a society devoid of power dynamics. A lot of these young males are probably in a position where they don't have solid job prospects, little hope of buying a home or even having a stable long term rental, and they don't have the same kind of support network that women have necessarily developed to survive. It's something that crosses racial identity - men have traditionally been expected to use the privilege that comes with being male (like better access to manufacturing and construction jobs as an example) to stay afloat. ,None of this is an excuse, just a reminder that balancing power dynamics comes with added requirements to prevent one group from becoming detached. If more women are rightfully given the opportunity to compete for decent paying blue-collar jobs, that means there will be some qualified men who will have to find another way to contribute, which opens up a whole host of problems. If a man decides to stay at home so his female domestic partner can be the bread winner, does that not mean he has all the same custody rights that a woman would have of their children? It's a difficult situation and one that society is working its way through slowly but surely, and, painful as it is, disaffected men is a necessary late stage result of masculinity being reshaped. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) In my latest argument to restore the Fairness Doctrine, you know those ads for the election betting website? The ones that Americans can’t legally bet on but still takes up a ton of space online? Yeah. Edited October 30 by Jman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 minute ago, scoobdog said: This is not to say that men don't have a lot of work to do, of course. However, we also don't exist in a society devoid of power dynamics. A lot of these young males are probably in a position where they don't have solid job prospects, little hope of buying a home or even having a stable long term rental, and they don't have the same kind of support network that women have necessarily developed to survive. It's something that crosses racial identity - men have traditionally been expected to use the privilege that comes with being male (like better access to manufacturing and construction jobs as an example) to stay afloat. ,None of this is an excuse, just a reminder that balancing power dynamics comes with added requirements to prevent one group from becoming detached. If more women are rightfully given the opportunity to compete for decent paying blue-collar jobs, that means there will be some qualified men who will have to find another way to contribute, which opens up a whole host of problems. If a man decides to stay at home so his female domestic partner can be the bread winner, does that not mean he has all the same custody rights that a woman would have of their children? It's a difficult situation and one that society is working its way through slowly but surely, and, painful as it is, disaffected men is a necessary late stage result of masculinity being reshaped. Absolutely, a lot of people are struggling these days, including these men. I hope I didn't sound unconcerned or unfeeling, because I do care, I just also worry about the motive behind voting for Trump. I suppose you could boil some amount of it down to disinformation - they have no reason to think Trump will help them but if they only tune into Fox News, they wouldn't know that. Although you would think that a rich nepo baby who owes his workers millions of dollars, ran a fake university and still benefitted from free PPP money would give them pause... Since it doesn't, since they forgive him for these actions, I worry that while they are feeling overwhelmed and often don't know any better, their decision to vote for Trump isn't purely economic - that it is also an attack on equality because they aren't voting for one bigoted candidate, they are voting for two. And Vance is, imo, worse because he truly believes his own bullshit. Trump is just trying to stay out of jail and off of Putin's list. Dr. Ibram X. Kendi said you cannot be neutral on racism and I think that makes sense for any -ism. So even for those men who would claim they are voting only for economic reasons, what does that say about them? Can you really be neutral on the suffering and subjugation of other humans? They are kind of going out of their way to let it happen too because, as I said, they easily forgive Trump's many cons and schemes which isn't in their favor. They do so because they seem to like the messaging - you are special, you are important, everyone else is the problem. Ultimately, I agree with you that "Trump is an unfortunate byproduct of the end stages of toxic masculinity." I saw a documentary about the 19th Amendment a while back, can't recall what it was titled, but I remember it being said that fighting for progress is always met with an equal, or bigger, push against it - the MAGA culture war is that pushback, and it was kicked off by outrage over a black man becoming President. There's really only so much you can probably do with those people. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 I’m convinced at this point Polychain is scamming people by pumping up the Trump odds so not only can it be added to the reasons for post-election grievances, but also to clean out the people betting on Trump. House always wins, after all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 I'm amazed (well, that's not the right word; maybe impressed) by people who take betting markets seriously. It's basically astrology in terms of predicting things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 I wonder why millionaires and billionaires are flocking behind Trump 🤔 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Supreme Court reinstates Youngkin’s voter purge order in Virginia Quote The Justice Department contended the cancellations violated the 90-day “quiet period” mandated under the federal National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), during which states are prevented from enacting systematic voter purges in the lead-up to an election. Virginia in its emergency application argued that the quiet period doesn’t apply to noncitizens. “States are free to systematically remove noncitizens, as well as minors and fictitious persons, at any time, including within 90 days of an election, without running afoul of the NVRA,” the state’s attorney general’s office wrote. But of course, they are purging voter records in blue areas and are catching actual citizens in the process. This is why they shriek about the 2020 election being stolen - they would totally have done it themselves if they were smart enough to pull it off the first time. I've always wanted to live outside the US for the life experience anyways, maybe now is the time to research options in case I need to learn another language. We made a profit selling our house this summer, we won't be buying again soon if the market is still shit, we have no kids, two of our dogs died, we've been purging personal items for simplicity's sake, and my husband is in tech so...it's not a bad starting point I guess. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 5 minutes ago, Blackrose321 said: Supreme Court reinstates Youngkin’s voter purge order in Virginia But of course, they are purging voter records in blue areas and are catching actual citizens in the process. This is why they shriek about the 2020 election being stolen - they would totally have done it themselves if they were smart enough to pull it off the first time. I've always wanted to live outside the US for the life experience anyways, maybe now is the time to research options in case I need to learn another language. We made a profit selling our house this summer, we won't be buying again soon if the market is still shit, we have no kids, two of our dogs died, we've been purging personal items for simplicity's sake, and my husband is in tech so...it's not a bad starting point I guess. Yeah we sold our house last year and have been renting while we build up our savings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 4 hours ago, André Toulon said: C'mon y'all, don't let MD rile you up. There is no way she's drawing these disingenuous parallels without trolling. Like the guy headlining your rally calling PR trash and saying black people will be carving watermelons has absolutely no relation to Harris supporters calling Trump a Nazi. The wall of "Nazi rallies" she posted is so absurd that I honestly can't help but appreciate how dumb she's willing to come off just to get y'all upset. It's true dedication to the role because there is no way she's that stupid ... She's just good at pushing buttons. Ehhhhh. Is she really getting anyone worked up, though? Mostly nobody's even responding to the content, it's just, as you say, pure astonishment that she's willing to look that stupid. She knows just as well as anyone else here that none of us are buying it, and yet.. she posts it anyway. And I, for one, refuse to believe that's what passes for trolling around here now. Not when we've had some absolute legends in the day.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 5 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Yeah we sold our house last year and have been renting while we build up our savings Do you also feel conflicted about what to do when your lease is up for renewal? It's great to be able to build up your savings but when I look at what is available and at what cost, it hardly seems worth it to buy a house again. And god only knows what'll happen to the market after the election... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 3 minutes ago, rpgamer said: Ehhhhh. Is she really getting anyone worked up, though? Mostly nobody's even responding to the content, it's just, as you say, pure astonishment that she's willing to look that stupid. She knows just as well as anyone else here that none of us are buying it, and yet.. she posts it anyway. And I, for one, refuse to believe that's what passes for trolling around here now. Not when we've had some absolute legends in the day.. I generally see her posts as a waste of space on the forum because she doesn't engage with anyone and occasionally behaves a little erratically. I don't like erratic people. Gives me flashbacks to my library days when people would poop in the urinal, set fire to hand sanitizer, and threaten to slit each other's throats...all true stories btw, and not even half of them... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 This is what Trump wants. The states to be able to say whether a woman can live or die. https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrose321 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 55 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: This is what Trump wants. The states to be able to say whether a woman can live or die. https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban This really upsets me. She should have been safe but she spent 40 hours in pain and fear before dying. This shouldn't be happening in a first world country. I just think about all of those hours and how her loved ones are going to spend the rest of their lives replaying them in their heads. What a tragedy for her to have lost her life, and for her child to have lost her mother so that a narcissistic conman with no redeeming qualities can try to dodge prison. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, rpgamer said: Ehhhhh. Is she really getting anyone worked up, though? Mostly nobody's even responding to the content, it's just, as you say, pure astonishment that she's willing to look that stupid. She knows just as well as anyone else here that none of us are buying it, and yet.. she posts it anyway. And I, for one, refuse to believe that's what passes for trolling around here now. Not when we've had some absolute legends in the day.. I have a morbid curiosity toward the depth idiocy can go. I can't help it. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberbully Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, rpgamer said: Ehhhhh. Is she really getting anyone worked up, though? Mostly nobody's even responding to the content, it's just, as you say, pure astonishment that she's willing to look that stupid. She knows just as well as anyone else here that none of us are buying it, and yet.. she posts it anyway. And I, for one, refuse to believe that's what passes for trolling around here now. Not when we've had some absolute legends in the day.. Well you're mostly innocuous so this wasn't for you. I just try to keep my babblers in check because despite the obvious tactics, Pat and Katt have to be objective in enforcing the rules of this folder and babblers have short fuses and no filter. I mean dumb bitch is enough to get you actioned regardless of how true it may be. I just would hate to see someone get a punt over MD. Luuv banned me hundred of times for shitting on Bucket... did he deserve it...yes Did I break the rules....also yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 2 hours ago, rpgamer said: Ehhhhh. Is she really getting anyone worked up, though? Mostly nobody's even responding to the content, it's just, as you say, pure astonishment that she's willing to look that stupid. She knows just as well as anyone else here that none of us are buying it, and yet.. she posts it anyway. And I, for one, refuse to believe that's what passes for trolling around here now. Not when we've had some absolute legends in the day.. Nope. More than half the time I'm bothering to reply to her, I'm also clearing out e-mails, flipping a wand toy to wear out the kitten, balancing a ledger and/or finishing up some random stupid list for the next day. In short, I spend more brain cells popping a zit than replying to anything she's posted. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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