2024 Presidential Elections: the schadenfreude commences

[matrixman124]

51 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

Nah bro, there's a huge chunk of people that were aware of her time as DA, and they don't like the shit she did. Her being a "cop" hurt her with black males.

Which is ridiculous because Trump was seen as the cop candidate 

[matrixman124]

13 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

I’m tired of seeing people blame the democrats for this outcome 

my response is this

”you don’t get it.  Sitting this one out because you don’t like Kamala is what destroyed democracy    Nothing you say will change that fact.  It’s bullshit to claim the democrats should have wasted time on a primary when the republicans didn’t have one”

The Democrats failed to combat misinformation and they failed to get people to turn out for the election.

[1pooh4u]

59 minutes ago, Belize said:

 

 

That second statement is nonsense due to Americans' ignorance. They didn't know who Kamala Harris was until July 2024, so how could they have had an animus towards her since 2019? Whoever wrote that statement is just pretending they know something. 

People were very aware who Kamala Harris was and is. Idk why you think otherwise 

[André Toulon]

4 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Which is ridiculous because Trump was seen as the cop candidate 

That was just an issue of perspective. He was just backing the blue but that's not the same as locking nonviolent, first time drug offenders up for decades to some.

[Belize]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

People were very aware who Kamala Harris was and is. Idk why you think otherwise 

 

You think if you conducted a survey and asked the question, "Who is the Vice President?" more than 10% would know the answer? How about the question, "What Democratic candidates lost the 2020 Democratic primaries?"

[matrixman124]

1 minute ago, Belize said:

 

You think if you conducted a survey and asked the question, "Who is the Vice President?" more than 10% would know the answer? How about the question, "What Democratic candidates lost the 2020 Democratic primaries?"

Yeah the news apparatus is fucked

[PenguinBoss]

15 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

I’m tired of seeing people blame the democrats for this outcome 

my response is this

”you don’t get it.  Sitting this one out because you don’t like Kamala is what destroyed democracy    Nothing you say will change that fact.  It’s bullshit to claim the democrats should have wasted time on a primary when the republicans didn’t have one”

The Dems are at fault, because at the end of the day, they should make people want to vote for them.

[André Toulon]

5 minutes ago, Belize said:

 

You think if you conducted a survey and asked the question, "Who is the Vice President?" more than 10% would know the answer? How about the question, "What Democratic candidates lost the 2020 Democratic primaries?"

I mean, I can understand your lack of information based on her because her existence never needing to be on your radar, but Biden also had a real chance to lose based on her being his running mate. 

You just subscribe to very different form of information than say, a black male in public housing

..A name that means nothing to you echos those hallways... I'm kinda realizing just how far our of touch with anyone who isn't parallel to you that you actually are 

Edited November 7 by André Toulon

[[classic swim]]

He’s a flaky fucking bot piece of shit.

[1pooh4u]

5 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

That was just an issue of perspective. He was just backing the blue but that's not the same as locking nonviolent, first time drug offenders up for decades to some.

Or refusing to look at DNA evidence to free a possibly wrongly convicted man. She did that too. 
 

https://amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article233375207.html

[1pooh4u]

9 minutes ago, Belize said:

 

You think if you conducted a survey and asked the question, "Who is the Vice President?" more than 10% would know the answer? How about the question, "What Democratic candidates lost the 2020 Democratic primaries?"

Yes I think more than 10% would know the answer. They might not remember who lost the 2020 Democratic Primary because not everyone can participate in one and a lot has happened since then

the biggest mistake Dems seem to make is that they grossly underestimate the intelligence of the average voter.  Is our electorate filled with gullible people who fall for false information?  Yes, but that doesn’t mean they’re stupid and incapable of knowing who the current VP is. 

[1pooh4u]

8 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

I mean, I can understand your lack of information based on her because her existence never needing to be on your radar, but Biden also had a real chance to lose based on her being his running mate. 

You just subscribe to very different form of information than say, a black male in public housing

..A name that means nothing to you echos those hallways... I'm kinda realizing just how far our of touch with anyone who isn't parallel to you that you actually are 

It’s a little insulting actually 

[CountFrylock]

12 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said:

The Dems are at fault, because at the end of the day, they should make people want to vote for them.

If people would rather vote for dystopian hell than Kamala Harris  

there’s no fixing this country 

too many alt-right podcasts filling peoples heads with bullshit conspiracy theories 

if people don’t wanna save  democracy when it means voting for Harris then they Have no right to bitch when team trump comes to take their house 

Edited November 7 by CountFrylock

[Belize]

2 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

I mean, I can understand you lack of information based on her existence never needing to be on your radar, but Biden also has a real chance to lose based on her being his running mate. 

You just subscribe to very different form of information than say a black male in public housing ..a name that means nothing to you echos those hallways... I'm ki nda realizing just how far our of touch with anyone who isn't parallel to you that you actually are 

 

I feel like I'm rubbing you the wrong way. It's not intentional on my part. I was thinking about replying to your previous post with a statement like "I have no reason to doubt what you say about African-American males. I don't have the same experiences as they do, so it's likely there is some thing I don't know". 

[1pooh4u]

Yeah the NYP has a headline about “liberal tears” and this is why I dropped a lot of people from my social media. There are not an insignificant number of people who only want to make people miserable.  They win and lose with absolutely no grace or dignity and they gladly cut their nose to spite their faces. IDF w people like that. Those are psycho people.  Chaos Goblins with the privilege of being able to fall back on mommy and daddy 

[_lost_username_]

A little early but imagine what the 2028 clown show is going to be like because I don’t see all the power hungry Republicans stepping aside for Vance to coast into the nomination. Here’s my list of who we will likely see in a primary without Trump to clear the field:

Hawley

DeSantis

Cotton

Cruz

Halley (probably first one to drop)

MTG

Donaldson

Crenshaw (maybe)

a couple of never Trumpers

… and probably a dozen more. It won’t be like last time for sure.

[Belize]

10 minutes ago, [classic swim] said:

He’s a flaky fucking bot piece of shit.

 

We argued about something in the past, didn't we? 

[Jman]

3 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

A little early but imagine what the 2028 clown show is going to be like because I don’t see all the power hungry Republicans stepping aside for Vance to coast into the nomination. Here’s my list of who we will likely see in a primary without Trump to clear the field:

Hawley

DeSantis

Cotton

Cruz

Halley (probably first one to drop)

MTG

Donaldson

Crenshaw (maybe)

a couple of never Trumpers

… and probably a dozen more. It won’t be like last time for sure.

A post-Trump cult GOP is going to collapse in on itself, because no one here has the media backing or sociopathic skill to create the "Just joking!" atmosphere Trump has.  So look forward to that, and the inevitable mess cleaning in 2026 and 2028.  If the Dems could learn something, that would be great, but I doubt it.

Then again I remain convinced Vance will be president sooner rather than later at which point he'll be a John Tyler style-pariah.  

[matrixman124]

5 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

A little early but imagine what the 2028 clown show is going to be like because I don’t see all the power hungry Republicans stepping aside for Vance to coast into the nomination. Here’s my list of who we will likely see in a primary without Trump to clear the field:

Hawley

DeSantis

Cotton

Cruz

Halley (probably first one to drop)

MTG

Donaldson

Crenshaw (maybe)

a couple of never Trumpers

… and probably a dozen more. It won’t be like last time for sure.

No thanks

[[classic swim]]

Just now, Belize said:

 

We argued about something in the past, didn't we? 

You waited all the way until past midnight when it was dead obvious democracy had lost to finally start talking like a normal goddamn person who’s worried.

Has nothing to do with past grievances you’re just the worst fucking douche who’s not helpful at all. I could be the single molecule on this radiated planet who can’t fucking stand you and that’d be fine.

[[classic swim]]

On 7/4/2024 at 9:25 AM, Belize said:

It's fascinating watching the ups and downs of the 2020 election and how Republicans remained delusionally confident while Democrats remained delusionally pessimistic

Went the whole year going “everyone’s a silly poopie head but me. I don’t like silly poopie heads.”
 

Fuck yeah I’m going to hold a grudge, moron. WE WERE CONCERNED FOR EXACTLY THIS. YOU JUST NOW CAUGHT UP.

[CountFrylock]

So what country will you move to or will you stand and fight the maga cult threatening to consume everything you care about?

[Jman]

6 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

So what country will you move to or will you stand and fight the maga cult threatening to consume everything you care about?

The MAGA cult likely dies with Donald, and that’s coming sooner rather than later.  It’s cleaning up the mess of disinformation and bad policy that worries me. 
 

Someone needs to run on re-installing the Fairness Doctrine and restoring trust in our checks and balances.  Only with that trust restored can we move forward from politics as sports teams nonsense that motivates so many low information voters.  People have legitimate concerns and in a vacuum, as I’ll keep pointing out, progressive policies did well.  Very well.  It’s what makes the Dems so damn frustrating.

Edited November 7 by Jman

[Belize]

7 minutes ago, [classic swim] said:

You waited all the way until past midnight when it was dead obvious democracy had lost to finally start talking like a normal goddamn person who’s worried.

Has nothing to do with past grievances you’re just the worst fucking douche who’s not helpful at all. I could be the single molecule on this radiated planet who can’t fucking stand you and that’d be fine.

 

Well, it's one directional. I've got nothing against you. I kind of like your posting style in fact. 

 

[CountFrylock]

Comic book writer mark waid sees no reason to do superhero comics during a hopeless trump presidency 

[Jman]

5 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Comic book writer mark waid sees no reason to do superhero comics during a hopeless trump presidency 

Waid is something of a shock jock and a crybaby.  But this is what I mean.  Everyone’s assuming the problem was racism and not cost of living.

[_lost_username_]

45 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

No thanks

It’s too bad Biden didn’t choose to step aside earlier. Democrats have a lot of great candidate on the bench and we could’ve had a great primary there. Harris may have still won but she’d at least have an opportunity to break with Biden more clearly.

[CountFrylock]

14 minutes ago, Jman said:

Waid is something of a shock jock and a crybaby.  But this is what I mean.  Everyone’s assuming the problem was racism and not cost of living.

Trump isn’t gonna make the cost of living cheaper because that’s not something the president can just do by flipping a switch 

That’s not the presidents job.   Biden couldn’t just make everything cheaper by snapping his fingers so suddenly the democrats are to blame because they can’t fix what no president can 

the economy doesn’t just do what we want it to do.  We can’t just say “give me cheaper stuff” and it happens.   Only hicks believe that 

we need to stop acting like the economy is something the president can fully control 

[Top Gun]

The problem is that the sitting president has been blamed/praised for economic conditions for about as long as the country has existed, and that's probably true for most countries. And considering how global the economy is now, there's less of a connection than ever. But try explaining that to Redneck Bubba.

[Jman]

10 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

The problem is that the sitting president has been blamed/praised for economic conditions for about as long as the country has existed, and that's probably true for most countries. And considering how global the economy is now, there's less of a connection than ever. But try explaining that to Redneck Bubba.

Well they’re about to get it on the other side if that idiotic tariff plan goes through.  Which is why I think it won’t.

[_lost_username_]

44 minutes ago, Jman said:

Well they’re about to get it on the other side if that idiotic tariff plan goes through.  Which is why I think it won’t.

I think the tariff is one of those things he says and never follows through with. It’s his thing.

[Belize]

There is still an avalanche of dumb takes going around about why Dems lost. It's literally something like: 

"The point where Harris lost was [insert my pet project issue]."

That's like all of the completely unbelievable conclusions so far.  

[scoobdog]

Harris lost because she was a woman and a POC. 

I've yet to hear a valid explanation of how pessimism about the economy exists despite the fact that an aggressive rate increase was enacted and miraculously did not trigger a recession.  Yes, the direct explanation for Harris' loss is tied to that same pessimism and the cost of living, but all of the vitals for the economy (inflation index / CPI, borrowing rates, unemployment) suggest that the economy is in fairly excellent shape.  The cause of that pessimism is almost assuredly not actual market indicators, but it is in a way about futures.

Also, all this talk about Kamala being hurt at the polls because of  her days as a prosecutor is hogwash (lol).  Concerns about her work in law enforcement are absolutely valid and they certainly contributed to her floundering in the initial primary.  Four year later, Gascon in LA loses his bid for reelection because he's everything she wasn't - conscientious and compassionate about charging low level offenders, direct when charging major crimes, willing to revisit past unjust sentencing - and he gets pegged for the perception that crime is rampant.  If anything, Kamala should have benefitted from her work as a prosecutor at a time when crime was down because of it.  No, this too is a smokescreen.

More importantly, while black men might have been afraid of Kamala, black women were most certainly not.  Trump didn't magically gain women followers, he simply had a higher share of women because there were fewer men voting for Kamala.  The overall numbers were starkly favorable to Kamala.  Why, then, is Kamala favorable to one group of black people and not to another?  The common denominator here is gender  across all of the demographics (well, except Gen X for reasons that eerily reflect those previously defined by Boomers).  It's because men, regardless of their demographic, are less likely to trust a woman to uphold their best interests than a man.

That's what's so confounding to me - that we can't trust a woman to be a president in a supposedly open society, even when compared to a demented old fool. 

[discolé monade]

that 3/5 compromise electoral college is something else.....

i don't think democracy had a chance is obama.  

period. 

i'm fine now. my concern will kick in , jan 21. i want to see what the locals do. 

 

 

 

[naraku360]

3 hours ago, Belize said:

You think if you conducted a survey and asked the question, "Who is the Vice President?" more than 10% would know the answer?

Yes.

[Dark_Cloud_Overhead]

1 hour ago, _lost_username_ said:

I think the tariff is one of those things he says and never follows through with. It’s his thing.

I wouldn't bet on it either way. That's how come he's able to get away with proposing so many crazy ideas that would have sunk any other presidential candidate though. Nobody takes a clown seriously. Whatever zany stuff he does it's just part of his act, right? Thing is, you just never know. He's gonna be looking for some way to pay for his next ridiculous giveaway to the filthy rich, so it's either that or cutting Social Security and/or Medicare/Medicaid.

One thing I do know, is if the republicans get the house (which seems really likely they will), I fully expect they're gonna try as hard as they can to rig the game harder than ever so any election to come from now on is just gonna be an election in name only, at least when it comes to the general election.

[Jman]

5 minutes ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

I wouldn't bet on it either way. That's how come he's able to get away with proposing so many crazy ideas that would have sunk any other presidential candidate though. Nobody takes a clown seriously. Whatever zany stuff he does it's just part of his act, right? Thing is, you just never know. He's gonna be looking for some way to pay for his next ridiculous giveaway to the filthy rich, so it's either that or cutting Social Security and/or Medicare/Medicaid.

One thing I do know, is if the republicans get the house (which seems really likely they will), I fully expect they're gonna try as hard as they can to rig the game harder than ever so any election to come from now on is just gonna be an election in name only, at least when it comes to the general election.

Tarrifs would hurt his donors too, destroying the supply chain and killing their profits.  It’s why I see him being talked back from them.

The House and Senate will have very tiny majorities either way.  I hope the Democrats just do the same playbook as the GOP since Gingrich.  Nothing happens, nothing gets passed, filibuster forever.  That leaves it to executive orders which only have so much reach, and will be clawed back come midterms.

[1pooh4u]

Interest rates dropped after the election so when does the other shoe drop?  When Trump gets inaugurated?  

[_lost_username_]

14 minutes ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

I wouldn't bet on it either way. That's how come he's able to get away with proposing so many crazy ideas that would have sunk any other presidential candidate though. Nobody takes a clown seriously. Whatever zany stuff he does it's just part of his act, right? Thing is, you just never know. He's gonna be looking for some way to pay for his next ridiculous giveaway to the filthy rich, so it's either that or cutting Social Security and/or Medicare/Medicaid.

One thing I do know, is if the republicans get the house (which seems really likely they will), I fully expect they're gonna try as hard as they can to rig the game harder than ever so any election to come from now on is just gonna be an election in name only, at least when it comes to the general election.

If there is one thing we know about Trump it’s that he backs down pretty fast if he thinks it’ll cause his base to get pissed. Most of them probably haven’t heard anything about cuts being made to the social safety nets that affect them. But if some Republican brings up cutting social security or something, he’ll be out there trying to throw them under the bus. Now, considering his cognitive state, I’m not sure if he will even be aware outside of what the people around him say. 
 

Republicans will definitely try to rig things but they have the same incompetency problem as Trump. If there is anything we learned from this last congress it’s that Republicans hate each other at a ridiculous level. They spend more effort backstabbing and undermining each other than they do actually working. No matter how hard they try to rig things, they do a good job of turning the public against them and Trump, again, happily throws them under the bus … and as we know he actively encourages his minions to fight against each other. 
 

If Democrats can find a leader that knows how to speak to the public’s concerns and not sound like some PC lecturer, they can capitalize on that.

[Dark_Cloud_Overhead]

8 minutes ago, Jman said:

Tarrifs would hurt his donors too, destroying the supply chain and killing their profits.  It’s why I see him being talked back from them.

The House and Senate will have very tiny majorities either way.  I hope the Democrats just do the same playbook as the GOP since Gingrich.  Nothing happens, nothing gets passed, filibuster forever.  That leaves it to executive orders which only have so much reach, and will be clawed back come midterms.

Covid screwed up the supply chain, and I think his donors came out from that alright. Gave them an excuse to raise prices on goods, which they could always do again. It would be awful for the economy sure, but the rich always seem to find a way to come out ahead. Maybe you're right and I'm just looking at things too cynically though. I hope you're right anyway.

About congress, that assumes they don't choose to do away with the filibuster entirely, in which case anything goes. What reason do we have to believe that they would ever play by the same set of rules as the democrats I mean. Mr. Hypocrite McConnell may be leaving as leader, but I really doubt whoever replaces him as senate leader is going to be more moderate than him.

[Insipid]

I think I finally get why "passport bros" has become such a prominent thing, especially to Gen Z. These dumbasses don't realize the type of Asian women who are willing to leave their countries and families behind and settle in another are almost never the submissive traditional wife type. Western women are too woke for them though. Their leader Trump himself is a passport bro: all his wives come from Eastern Europe.

Oh, I really fucking hate this.

[Dark_Cloud_Overhead]

8 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

If there is one thing we know about Trump it’s that he backs down pretty fast if he thinks it’ll cause his base to get pissed. Most of them probably haven’t heard anything about cuts being made to the social safety nets that affect them. But if some Republican brings up cutting social security or something, he’ll be out there trying to throw them under the bus. Now, considering his cognitive state, I’m not sure if he will even be aware outside of what the people around him say.

Yeah, I agree with that, expect for one thing... He doesn't have to worry about re-election anymore, so does what his base thinks even really matter anymore to him? Yeah, I suppose if they were to get so mad at him and completely turn on him it might damage his ego, which could get him to back off, but it would take something pretty extreme I think for that to happen.

[Jman]

Ramble.  I'll put it under the spoiler tag to not clutter the page.

Spoiler

I'm trying to be optimisitc here, but considering that my optimism is based on "Trump doesn't want to piss off his base and implement the worst of his promises lest they turn on him, because the GOP knows without Trump they will lose the Dear Leader effect" I'm still pretty damn pissed off.  Granted, I'm pissed off at things that have been occuring since roughly the 1980 election, such as quid pro quo with Iran to screw over Jimmy Carter, then undoing his early entries into solar energy as Reagan tried to ignore all the science about renewable energy to keep padding the wealth of his oil donors.  But fair play to Reagan, even his Alzheimer's ridden brain understood the sheer terror of nuclear annhilation and pushed for de-escalation.  Then we got New Gingrich in the 90s with his "America First" compact, which boiled down to "be petulant bitches and hope the Democrats get blamed for it", Reagan letting Murdoch buy news stations and television here to begin forming the right wing propaganda machine, the end of the Fairness Doctrine thanks to conservative radio sacks of shit, 2000 and the fact that the Electoral College still exists despite more people wanting it gone than want legal weed in Florida (the compact that would ovveride it still needs the equivalent of 61 EC votes from states to pass), climate change denial, the equivalent of ducking our heads in the sand and avoiding the fact that it was nearly 80 degrees in New York in early November, so now we're going to have to try extreme plans like mass carbon caputre plants and sulfur dioxide geo-engineering so we can survive as a fucking species; and now this shit, where half the country was influenced to vote because they don't understand civics, but hear Joe Fucking Rogan, a man who I'd trust with my jiu jitsu technique and absolutely nothing the fuck else telling people that the Left hates them because of the She-Ra remake and ignores that the Right wants to take away their healthcare!

I try to believe in the inherit goodness of people.  I try to believe that most of the people who voted yesterday did vote out of a sense of fear and concern.  Fear for their wallets.  Fear of food insecurity.  Fear they couldn't afford a home.  But they don't realize they're being screwed, and won't realize it until their faces are pressed against the burning stove.  Because the alternative is to believe they all voted against a woman because she was a woman, and Hillary winning the popular vote (and being fucked over by the EC) at least somewhat counters that.  

 

[Jman]

11 minutes ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

Yeah, I agree with that, expect for one thing... He doesn't have to worry about re-election anymore, so does what his base thinks even really matter anymore to him? Yeah, I suppose if they were to get so mad at him and completely turn on him it might damage his ego, which could get him to back off, but it would take something pretty extreme I think for that to happen.

Well he's a raging narcissist who demands being popular, and more importantly, big businesses that supported him will be screwed over by these tariffs, including car manufacturers, like Tesla.  Elon may talk a big game about suffering short term so we can build domestic infrastructure, but when push comes to shove, is he going to want to eat those massive import tariffs and see his profits shrink?

[Distortedreasoning]

13 hours ago, scoobdog said:

Of course I don’t know everything.  I would never pretend I do.  I’m just open minded enough to appreciate being wrong.

im talking about harris being a shit candidate. even shittier than trump. thats not just me saying it, thats the majority of the country. democracy has spoken. 

[Distortedreasoning]

12 hours ago, naraku360 said:

Hold up, I just realized you called Kamala my girl.

How fucking DARE you compare MY GIRL to a goddamn normie liberal corporate politician?

My girl would never stoop to the depravity of that utter scumbaggery.

Keep my girl's name out your fucking mouth!

cringe. 

[scoobdog]

3 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

im talking about harris being a shit candidate. even shittier than trump. thats not just me saying it, thats the majority of the country. democracy has spoken. 

That is not what the majority of the country said, unless you're insinuating women in general are shit candidates.  Is that what you're saying?

[naraku360]

2 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

cringe. 

Yeah, you are.

[Jman]

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/05/texas-abortion-travel-ban-vote-amarillo-election-2024/
 

Damn Texas rejected the abortion travel ban bill.  The policies aren’t the problem.

Edited November 7 by Jman

[Distortedreasoning]

12 hours ago, André Toulon said:

I know a coward when I see one.

Why did you come back. Jill lost, you haven't made a single point about how she could have ran a better race or be less awful. You just came to shit on Kamala and laugh at her loss. You could do that in private but you came here to do it....Why🤔.

Well let's see....is it because you were morose at the promise of another Trump term.

No, that's not it....You seem pretty ecstatic over that.

Is it because you feel Kamala stood in the way of your candidate's real chances to win.

Nah, can't possibly be that at all....Backing her was basically taking a hit with 21 showing.

Or did you come here just to rub those who may have voted for Kamala faces in it....

BINGO. And that's some ho ass shit, so nah...you don't deserve this actual conversation that you know very well you didn't come for. You took a shit, and now people are calling you a weak ass bitch for of showing up exclusively to take that shit.

Just like Raku said, if you weren't so disingenuous, I'm sure you would be handled with respect...But you're a coward with no ammo other than "take that, Dems" and frankly you can fuck all the way off with that shit....We ain't all Dems, and we don't all feel like choosing the president is a game with no consequences.

 

wrong.

i want to talk about the results and what they mean. why was the country not motivated enough to vote for kamala to defeat the boogie man. i did took a shot at kamala but so what? im not attacking any one of you but all taking it as im shitting on you guys personally. your not dems, then why the over defensive and hostile attacks when im going after the loser?