Putin: "Stick to the timeline!"

[PhilosipherStoned]

On 4/27/2022 at 7:27 PM, Ginguy said:

Speaking of oligarchs, why hasn't the Treasury Dept. sanctioned Elena Baturina?

 

Well boy golly Ginguy, it must be because of her association with Hunter Biden. If only you had more to say about that than a name....

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by PhilosipherStoned

[Master-Debater131]

 

 

Sounds like Ukraine almost got the highest ranking military officer in Russia. They didnt get him completely, only wounded him, but they did take out 40 other high-ranking Russians in the process.

[Jman]

Another day, another dead Russian general.  This brings the total dead to 9.

[Poof]

13 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

De-escalation is 10000% contrary to US policy on Ukraine

you cant nabs they're cheerleaders nabs

[Nablonsky]

2 minutes ago, Poof said:

you cant nabs they're cheerleaders nabs

Love to love war

[Nablonsky]

Under Obama, the US military began a years-long multi billion dollar project of "modernizing" our nuclear arsenal in order to make it easier for us to deploy low-yield nuclear weapons in small scale situations. 

 

[scoobdog]

All from Putin meat puppet Oliver Stone.

[stilgar]

Why is it that nabs always picks the worst stances and somehow makes them even worse?

[_lost_username_]

So, Russia is eyeing a third region. Putin is pretty much do-or-die on this, I doubt he's going to let up until he's made Ukraine totally landlocked and controls half of Moldova. He's pretty traditional about the use of the Russian military, pretty much seeing them as cannon fodder whose lives aren't really worth much in the name of "greatness."

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Here is a little more detail surrounding US claims that Russia plans to “annex” Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

Michael Carpenter, the US ambassador to the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe told reporters in Washington on Monday:

According to the most recent reports, we believe that Russia will try to annex the ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’ and ‘Lugansk People’s Republic’ to Russia.

The reports state that Russia plans to engineer referenda upon joining sometime in mid-May.”

“This is straight out of the Kremlin’s playbook,” he added.

Carpenter said that the United States also believed Russia was considering a similar plan in a third region, Kherson, where Moscow has recently solidified its control and imposed use of its ruble currency.

 

Russia-Ukraine war: Moscow plans to annex Donetsk and Luhansk, US says; European Union preparing sanctions on Russia oil - live (theguardian.com)

[Seight]

Israel outrage at Sergei Lavrov's claim that Hitler was part Jewish

...This guy's secretly one of the richest people in Russia to be able to say shit like this with a straight face, right?

I mean there's no goddamn way Hitler was part-Jewish.

[scoobdog]

6 hours ago, Seight said:

Israel outrage at Sergei Lavrov's claim that Hitler was part Jewish

...This guy's secretly one of the richest people in Russia to be able to say shit like this with a straight face, right?

I mean there's no goddamn way Hitler was part-Jewish.

I thought that was one of the historical myths that have persisted for years.

[tsar4]

It had been a few minutes since something caught fire in Russia, I was getting concerned...

[Master-Debater131]

Really have to wonder why we are suddenly leaking news that we are helping Ukraine target Russian Generals. Its a widely known secret, but its still a secret. By stating it as openly as we are we are practically daring Putin to attack us in some way.

 

As much as I want Russia to lose, I also dont want to start a war with Russia thats absolutely going to end in mushroom clouds.

[Sawdamizer]

1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Really have to wonder why we are suddenly leaking news that we are helping Ukraine target Russian Generals. Its a widely known secret, but its still a secret. By stating it as openly as we are we are practically daring Putin to attack us in some way.

 

As much as I want Russia to lose, I also dont want to start a war with Russia thats absolutely going to end in mushroom clouds.

 

[Master-Debater131]

Oh I get it.  I think the entire world knew that we were helping them target Russians. No way was Ukraine able to do that all by themselves.

 

But why admit it?   It doesnt make a whole lot of strategic sense to me.

[Master-Debater131]

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2022/05/05/tl-4p-rivers-jake-tapper-live.cnn

Some good videos from the Battle of Kyiv from the Ukrainian viewpoint.

[Nablonsky]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Really have to wonder why we are suddenly leaking news that we are helping Ukraine target Russian Generals. Its a widely known secret, but its still a secret

No it isn't. Everybody knows this is a proxy war. You're a clown

[scoobdog]

8 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Oh I get it.  I think the entire world knew that we were helping them target Russians. No way was Ukraine able to do that all by themselves.

 

But why admit it?   It doesnt make a whole lot of strategic sense to me.

The obvious reason to admit it is to stop the Russians in their tracks.  It also lends more legitimacy when refuting tangential claims, such as when Russia claims that the Ukraine has attacked points inside of Russia's borders.  If we know where their top brass is going to be or where their prized pool toy in the Black Sea is weighing anchor, what else do we know?

[tsar4]

12 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Really have to wonder why we are suddenly leaking news that we are helping Ukraine target Russian Generals. Its a widely known secret, but its still a secret. By stating it as openly as we are we are practically daring Putin to attack us in some way.

 

As much as I want Russia to lose, I also dont want to start a war with Russia thats absolutely going to end in mushroom clouds.

Russia finds out...

...and as soon as they can find some more cannon fodder, er, Generals, they'll do something about it.

[Jman]

https://www.businessinsider.nl/russias-most-advanced-tank-in-service-was-obliterated-by-ukraine-just-days-after-it-was-deployed-according-to-reports/
 

Russia decided to deploy their limited supply of advanced battle tanks into Ukraine to help turn the tide.

The end result was that one of their precious few T-90s was turned to scrap metal, and they don’t have the numbers to replace them.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Jman

[Jman]

These Neptune missiles are powerful.

[Master-Debater131]

15 hours ago, scoobdog said:

The obvious reason to admit it is to stop the Russians in their tracks.  It also lends more legitimacy when refuting tangential claims, such as when Russia claims that the Ukraine has attacked points inside of Russia's borders.  If we know where their top brass is going to be or where their prized pool toy in the Black Sea is weighing anchor, what else do we know?

Im not sure it will stop them though. if anything it feeds into the propaganda that its not Russia vs Ukraine, but Russia vs NATO. The propaganda has been turned up to an insane level where they are openly talking about Russians dying in a nuclear war and they should just accept that.

Its one thing to engage in a proxy war and support one side. Its a whole other thing to do that and then spit in the face of the enemy. We all know that the US is providing an insane level of support to Ukraine, but theres no need to spit in the Russians face while doing it. I absolutely get the urge to do so, but our officials need to be careful about what we say. At some point the propaganda in Russia will create enough pressure that they will have to do something in response, and that response may be utterly horrifying or spiral well out of control. Thats all Im saying. Keep the support up, keep targeting Russian generals, but dont spit in their face in the process.

[Poof]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

https://www.businessinsider.nl/russias-most-advanced-tank-in-service-was-obliterated-by-ukraine-just-days-after-it-was-deployed-according-to-reports/
 

Russia decided to deploy their limited supply of advanced battle tanks into Ukraine to help turn the tide.

The end result was that one of their precious few T-90s was turned to scrap metal, and they don’t have the numbers to replace them.

i think the main battle tank in general is a thing of the past. Lemme kno if ya hear anything about dem termy 'nader tanks errm fighting vehicles. i think that's the beginning of armor's new future. a future which where armor is less important

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Im not sure it will stop them though. if anything it feeds into the propaganda that its not Russia vs Ukraine, but Russia vs NATO. The propaganda has been turned up to an insane level where they are openly talking about Russians dying in a nuclear war and they should just accept that.

Its one thing to engage in a proxy war and support one side. Its a whole other thing to do that and then spit in the face of the enemy. We all know that the US is providing an insane level of support to Ukraine, but theres no need to spit in the Russians face while doing it. I absolutely get the urge to do so, but our officials need to be careful about what we say. At some point the propaganda in Russia will create enough pressure that they will have to do something in response, and that response may be utterly horrifying or spiral well out of control. Thats all Im saying. Keep the support up, keep targeting Russian generals, but dont spit in their face in the process.

I don’t see how it’s spitting on Russia’s face.

[Nablonsky]

3 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Its one thing to engage in a proxy war and support one side. Its a whole other thing to do that and then spit in the face of the enemy. We all know that the US is providing an insane level of support to Ukraine, but theres no need to spit in the Russians face while doing it. I absolutely get the urge to do so, but our officials need to be careful about what we say. At some point the propaganda in Russia will create enough pressure that they will have to do something in response, and that response may be utterly horrifying or spiral well out of control. Thats all Im saying. Keep the support up, keep targeting Russian generals, but dont spit in their face in the process.

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Don't worry, you libs will get your WW3. And it'll be all Putin's fault!

[Sawdamizer]

5 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

Don't worry, you libs will get your WW3. And it'll be all Putin's fault!

She’s… lib?

[Master-Debater131]

1 minute ago, Sawdamizer said:

She’s… lib?

In modern politics if you dont agree with me then you must be *insert political side here*

[Nablonsky]

4 minutes ago, Sawdamizer said:

She’s… lib?

Yep, almost everyone in this thread seems pretty indistinguishable and uniform in their general views. Buncha imperialist propagandist Ukraine flag waving piglibs 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Master-Debater131]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

I don’t see how it’s spitting on Russia’s face.

We are openly flaunting the fact that we are helping target Russian generals. We are basically saying "hahaha, were killing your guys, What are you going to do about it? yea, thats what I thought."

Its one thing to be doing that in private, but entirely different to do it in the open. At some point Putin, or someone else in Russia, may respond to the "what are you going to do about it?" with something truly horrifying. We've already seen war crimes and atrocities, but theres still a level further to go. And Im not entirely convinced that Putin, and his puppets, arent buying into their own BS.

 

All Im saying is its better to have some restraint with how much we admit to right now. In a few years the books will be amazing reading, but when the war is actually going on its best to exercise restraint.

[Nablonsky]

1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said:

We are openly flaunting the fact that we are helping target Russian generals. We are basically saying "hahaha, were killing your guys, What are you going to do about it? yea, thats what I thought."

Its one thing to be doing that in private, but entirely different to do it in the open. At some point Putin, or someone else in Russia, may respond to the "what are you going to do about it?" with something truly horrifying. 

"It's one thing to do the thing that everyone already knows you're doing, but to brazenly acknowledge that you're doing it after everybody has been watching you openly do it for months is reckless and risks ww3"

You incoherent clowns are insane. 

[stilgar]

If you don't support Russian imperialism you are a liberal according to the guy who doesn't actually believe anything he spews out of his mouth hole.

[scoobdog]

59 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

We are openly flaunting the fact that we are helping target Russian generals. We are basically saying "hahaha, were killing your guys, What are you going to do about it? yea, thats what I thought."

Its one thing to be doing that in private, but entirely different to do it in the open. At some point Putin, or someone else in Russia, may respond to the "what are you going to do about it?" with something truly horrifying. We've already seen war crimes and atrocities, but theres still a level further to go. And Im not entirely convinced that Putin, and his puppets, arent buying into their own BS.

 

All Im saying is its better to have some restraint with how much we admit to right now. In a few years the books will be amazing reading, but when the war is actually going on its best to exercise restraint.

No matter what Russia tries to shape the narrative as, it's a fight between Russia and the rest of the world.  Russia is well aware that it isn't just the United States giving the Ukraine intel, and us taking credit for the intel doesn't mean that if we were to stop that the intel wouldn't keep coming.  Your entire premise is that the United States is the one in control, and that's just not the case.

[Master-Debater131]

23 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

No matter what Russia tries to shape the narrative as, it's a fight between Russia and the rest of the world.  Russia is well aware that it isn't just the United States giving the Ukraine intel, and us taking credit for the intel doesn't mean that if we were to stop that the intel wouldn't keep coming.  Your entire premise is that the United States is the one in control, and that's just not the case.

No, my premise is that we are engaged in a proxy war where the leader of the enemy is a completely deranged man, who is very likely dying from cancer, who happens to have thousands of nuclear weapons in his control and has threatened to use them.

Im not saying we stop arming or helping Ukraine. Im just saying its probably a better idea to not antagonize a mentally unstable nuclear armed dictator and basically dare him to do something stupid. At some point he may decide to do something stupid and that could spiral well out of control before there is any hope at deescalation. Keep arming and supporting Ukraine with everything we have, but dont gloat about it to the world.

[scoobdog]

13 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

No, my premise is that we are engaged in a proxy war where the leader of the enemy is a completely deranged man, who is very likely dying from cancer, who happens to have thousands of nuclear weapons in his control and has threatened to use them.bout it to the world.

No, it isn't.

You can dance around it all you want, but you're just dancing around the fact you think the United States is the senior (and only effective) partner in this group.  If, in fact, Russia is foolish enough to be antagonized by this, then it's a brilliant play that allows us to take the negative attention while our partners continue to be effective behind the scenes.  In all likelihood, the Russians are not that stupid, and they're not going to be antagonized by one country taking the credit for an action that most likely involved several countries working in concert.

More importantly, such an admission would have no bearing on a decision if Putin uses nukes or not.  If he's of sound mind, he knows deploying a nuke means he's lost or about to lose because it is a weapon of last resort where everyone knows the consequences.  If he's not of sound mind, he's already "found" the moral justification he needs to act in his delusions.

[Poof]

So if I wanted to keep my Gazprom shares, I have to pay $17.50 + $0.05/share and open an account in Russia. Can I even legally open an account there right now?

shit

might need a friend w/an account in Russia to accept my shares for me

What alt right social is Trump on these days? I gotta ask him something

[Nablonsky]

1 hour ago, Poof said:

What alt right social is Trump on these days? I gotta ask him something

He'll be back on Musker soon, god willing

[scoobdog]

41 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

He'll be back on Musker soon, god willing

Are you going to be his new Twitter social media coordinator? I hear the job pays like shit, but it's perfect if you're already a self hating tool.

[Poof]

they took Vadim the famous russian accordionist off spotify 

[Ginguy]

3 hours ago, Poof said:

So if I wanted to keep my Gazprom shares, I have to pay $17.50 + $0.05/share and open an account in Russia. Can I even legally open an account there right now?

shit

might need a friend w/an account in Russia to accept my shares for me

What alt right social is Trump on these days? I gotta ask him something

Have Hunter get a hold of Elena Baturina for you.

The "big guy" gets 10% though.

 

[Poof]

2 hours ago, Ginguy said:

Have Hunter get a hold of Elena Baturina for you.

The "big guy" gets 10% though.

 

oh I’m going off on you. You thought my diss was about ethics so you countered w/such whataboutism. Trump didn’t go to Russia bc he had any influence to peddle. He went to Russia a long time ago bc no bank in the USA would give him a loan since he fucked up his credit on being such a massive waste of dump failure. I’ve always thought he was a joke. Including as I was enjoying copious amounts of caviar and vodka about 20 feet from the fucker in Manhattan when my boyfriend said “Go say hi to him” and I declined. My bf thought I was being loyal but really I just had zero interest in talking to him. This was 2014. He hadn’t even flip flopped on universal healthcare yet.

If you didn’t want to get politically offended everytime someone makes fun of Donald, you probably shouldn’t have made his gross face the logo of your party forever. Bc trump is trump and ppl will always make fun of him over shortcomings, failures, and insecurities that are nonpolitical and all his own.

Btw everyone gotta stop these idealistic pleadings to affect my opinions. Like you realize your post is exactly equivalent to nabby telling me that democrats “aren’t your friends” I vote for the ones who implement policies that are better for my interests when compared to the other options. I can be wrong, but I don’t have delusions. Doing sex work for as long as I have kinda shatters any delusions one might have about how the world works.

if you want to convert me, work on bringing your party’s social policies into the 21st century. Just imagine how much we could agree on fiscal policy and guns and shit. But you guys don’t wanna do that, so until ya do, you get nothing

[Nablonsky]

2 minutes ago, Poof said:

Just imagine how much we could agree on fiscal policy

Oooh I bet you would too

[Nablonsky]

Idk abt all your policies but the best way to implement mine is by disempowering the democratic party, truly our greatest threat to being able to even put forth a worthy challenge to the right wing 

[scoobdog]

8 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

Idk abt all your policies but the best way to implement mine is by disempowering the democratic party, truly our greatest threat to being able to even put forth a worthy challenge to the right wing 

Wrong thread dipshit.

[naraku360]

17 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

Idk abt all your policies but the best way to implement mine is by disempowering the democratic party, truly our greatest threat to being able to even put forth a worthy challenge to the right wing 

 

[PenguinBoss]

48 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

Idk abt all your policies but the best way to implement mine is by disempowering the democratic party, truly our greatest threat to being able to even put forth a worthy challenge to the right wing 

This is stupid. If you could disempower the dems, why wouldn't you disempower reps as well?

It's like what everyone already knows about you is showing.

[naraku360]

1 hour ago, PenguinBoss said:

This is stupid. If you could disempower the dems, why wouldn't you disempower reps as well?

It's like what everyone already knows about you is showing.

You know what they say about the enemy of my enemy:

Take them out first and have no plan for my enemy.

Spoiler

No, Nabs, you disingenuous twit, I don't consider democrats (on a national level) to be adversarial toward republicans on an acceptable level.

Spoiler

Yes, you are that predictable.

 

 

[Seight]

4 hours ago, naraku360 said:

You know what they say about the enemy of my enemy:

Take them out first and have no plan for my enemy.

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No, Nabs, you disingenuous twit, I don't consider democrats (on a national level) to be adversarial toward republicans on an acceptable level.

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Yes, you are that predictable.

 

 

Wait, wait, let me get the other part

6 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

Idk abt all your policies but the best way to implement mine is by disempowering the democratic party, truly our greatest threat to being able to even put forth a worthy challenge to the right wing 

Spoiler

While doing absolutely nothing to the Republican Party

 

[cyberbully]

8 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

Goddammit, how come the redditor I stole this sentiment from didn't get railroaded like this

 

[Jman]

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/vladimir-putins-glitzy-989-million-megayacht-seized-by-the-italian-government/news-story/f733cba0c00115add6e6e1ea4a463c1c
 

Another day, another idea for that Yacht Hunter script of mine.  Even if it’s not Putin’s personal yacht (which it most likely is), it’s still an insane ship with an equivalent cost a top of the line frigate for the US Navy.

The fact that the vessel has a judo dojo on board seems to support it’s Vlad’s (he’s a well known practitioner of the art and even wrote a book on the subject with help from two Russian national team black belts.  It’s actually a good read on the tactical aspects of the sport and demonstrates how to chain moves into combinations, something a lot of judo texts don’t mention).

Edited May 7, 2022 by Jman

[tsar4]

Russian Frigate is cooking in the Black Sea