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  On 8/16/2022 at 3:54 PM, Master-Debater131 said:

The PA race may be one of the most interesting in the country now. Fetterman was the single strongest candidate Democrats had in the entire nation before his stroke. Oz is a horrible candidate who is running at the same time as a uniquely dangerous GOP nominee for Gov.

Normally this should be an easy pickup for Democrats. But you may notice I said that Fetterman was the strongest candidate. His stroke has clearly knocked him down a lot. The videos from his last campaign even are not great and people are openly questioning if he is healthy enough to campaign and then serve for 6 years.

Ive been saying for a while that I think PA goes Democrat, but now Im not so sure. Fettermans progress is really great, but is it good enough to convince voters to go for him?

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I really don't see how this holds up at all. Fetterman's health may be a concern for some people, but the two candidates are so diametrically opposed in personality and viewpoints that what kind of prospectived voter is going to sit there and say, "Well, I like Fetterman's positions, but he had a stroke, so I'm going with that nutjob Oz"?

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  On 8/17/2022 at 4:50 PM, Top Gun said:

I really don't see how this holds up at all. Fetterman's health may be a concern for some people, but the two candidates are so diametrically opposed in personality and viewpoints that what kind of prospectived voter is going to sit there and say, "Well, I like Fetterman's positions, but he had a stroke, so I'm going with that nutjob Oz"?

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Not saying they will vote Oz, they may not vote at all.


I still expect Fetterman to win, likely in a walk, but his health issues absolutely scrambled things a bit. It happens in any race where they are potential health issues.  Remember all those people asking if McCain was healthy enough? Its absolutely a legitimate question. Theres a poll that the GOP released today showing Fetterman up 18, so even if a decent number of people think his health issues are enough to note vote for him hes very likely going to win.

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  On 8/17/2022 at 5:17 PM, scoobdog said:

Health issues rarely impact legislature races in the way they tend to impact executive races.

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Your correct that it doesnt usually matter in other races, like House races, but it absolutely matters for Senate races. Most people cant tell you who their Rep is, but a huge chunk can name their Senator. Its just a much higher profile position, and that brings extra scrutiny.

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  On 8/17/2022 at 5:28 PM, Master-Debater131 said:

Your correct that it doesnt usually matter in other races, like House races, but it absolutely matters for Senate races. Most people cant tell you who their Rep is, but a huge chunk can name their Senator. Its just a much higher profile position, and that brings extra scrutiny.

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No, not in Senate races either.

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Interesting that he supports the most fascist of candidates, instead of what’s best for his party… but I suppose if he believes that Trump is best for the party in raping rights away from everything that isn’t a white male… sieg heil man. 

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  On 8/17/2022 at 11:07 PM, Raptorpat said:

That's all she needs to do though.

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She won't get 28% nationally.

She would be lucky to get 5%, if that. If she really wanted to do something she would shut up and help the Lincoln Project raise money from increasingly irrelevant people like Karl Rove. Of course, last night also showed that money cannot make up for unpopular positions.

Cheney had $15 million in cash and spent $7.75 of it.

Harriet Hageman raised $4 million and spent $3 million.

Harriet Hageman was outspent 2:1 and beat Liz Cheney 2:1. Policy and actions matter to GOP primary voters.

 

It will literally be a suicide mission and a waste of cash.

 

Honestly, I feel bad for her if she believes the weapons-grade cringe she says. That is a serious divergence from reality, maybe she needs to move to Colorado and "medicate" for a while.

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  On 8/17/2022 at 11:53 PM, Ginguy said:

She won't get 28% nationally.

She would be lucky to get 5%, if that. If she really wanted to do something she would shut up and help the Lincoln Project raise money from increasingly irrelevant people like Karl Rove. Of course, last night also showed that money cannot make up for unpopular positions.

Cheney had $15 million in cash and spent $7.75 of it.

Harriet Hageman raised $4 million and spent $3 million.

Harriet Hageman was outspent 2:1 and beat Liz Cheney 2:1. Policy and actions matter to GOP primary voters.

 

It will literally be a suicide mission and a waste of cash.

 

Honestly, I feel bad for her if she believes the weapons-grade cringe she says. That is a serious divergence from reality, maybe she needs to move to Colorado and "medicate" for a while.

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She literally supported everything the republicans would have wanted besides Trumps psychotic insurrection 

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I meant a kamikaze run in the general, not in the primary.

But given her policies don't differ from her colleagues, I'd venture that that's because primary voters value tone and tribalism over actual policy.

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  On 8/18/2022 at 12:47 AM, Raptorpat said:

I meant a kamikaze run in the general, not in the primary.

But given her policies don't differ from her colleagues, I'd venture that that's because primary voters value tone and tribalism over actual policy.

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It should also be mentioned that the Democrats have been actively attack ads against the non-MAGA/QAnon folks so the Dems will be up against much more radical, unpalatable candidates. It's a huge gamble in my opinion. But yeah that also worked against Cheney and other GOP incumbents.

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In targeted races, yeah. But I don't believe the Dems were running any adds against her in her race. There'd be no point because there are like ten Democrats in Wyoming and half changed their registration to prop her up in her race.

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  On 8/18/2022 at 1:10 AM, SwimModSponges said:

Well, if you can't beat them by pointing out the fact that they're literally a child-trafficking pedophile, try spreading a rumor they went against Trump.

https://www.businessinsider.com/matt-gaetzs-opponent-suggests-mar-a-lago-informant-attack-ad-2022-8

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If Gaetz was an FBI informant, we might actually really have to reset the simulation because things are just too batshit insane now.

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  On 8/18/2022 at 1:10 AM, SwimModSponges said:

Well, if you can't beat them by pointing out the fact that they're literally a child-trafficking pedophile, try spreading a rumor they went against Trump.

https://www.businessinsider.com/matt-gaetzs-opponent-suggests-mar-a-lago-informant-attack-ad-2022-8

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This is the real life equivalent of Louise Belcher trying to get Jimmy Jr. elected class president.

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  On 8/18/2022 at 12:47 AM, Raptorpat said:

I meant a kamikaze run in the general, not in the primary.

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She wouldn't make it on the ballot in a general nationwide unless it was as a write-in. Her best chance would be diluting a crowded primary field, if there is a crowded primary field.

 

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  On 8/19/2022 at 6:00 PM, Ginguy said:

She wouldn't make it on the ballot in a general nationwide unless it was as a write-in. Her best chance would be diluting a crowded primary field, if there is a crowded primary field.

 

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Why wouldn't she?  Seriously question here because anecdotal evidence outside her home district suggest she's somewhat popular with moderate Republicans and Independents.

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  On 8/20/2022 at 12:58 AM, rpgamer said:

I believe that should be Dr. Goatse.

He doesn't play a doctor on tv just for people to not call him a doctor.

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I’ve seen that asshole torn up like a cheddar bay biscuit so many times I just hate to ever lose this reference

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