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On 7/14/2020 at 12:12 PM, OwlChemist81 said:

Well what do you know? It seems maybe Toonami DOES run on Dragon Ball Super:

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL at 0.10/241K & 0.09/233K and 0.27/561K, PARANOIA AGENT at 0.24/487K, MOB PSYCHO 100 at 0.23/436K, BLACK CLOVER at 0.19/379K, NARUTO at 0.15/308K, and SAMURAI JACK at 0.13/247K."

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-7-11-2020.html

Well that's on par with a week lead by a new episode of My Hero Academia.

Sigh... people just wont stop watching Dragon Ball Super.

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6 hours ago, Sketch said:

Well that's on par with a week lead by a new episode of My Hero Academia.

Sigh... people just wont stop watching Dragon Ball Super.

I Really hope toonami doesn't use this as an excuse to say "DBS's Back And that's all we really need" and then not do much else

I'll never understand why Dragon ball gets such insane levels of worship in the united states to the point where many people see anime as dragon ball and think it's all there is to anime  there's nothing else but dragon ball

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8 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

I Really hope toonami doesn't use this as an excuse to say "DBS's Back And that's all we really need" and then not do much else

I'll never understand why Dragon ball gets such insane levels of worship in the united states to the point where many people see anime as dragon ball and think it's all there is to anime  there's nothing else but dragon ball

You need to understand how stupid most Americans are.

Remember in this country.... half the population would refuse the vaccine for Corona.

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On 7/15/2020 at 4:09 PM, Ginguy said:

 Are those numbers in P 18-34?

 

We only get those for cable originals anymore, and we won't see another one of those until August.

Also, LMAO: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-family-guy-reruns-on-adult-swim-leads-the-days-telecasts-in-adults-18-49/

The 12-3 AM "core" of Toonami ranked 4th for the year so far, and 7th in adults 18-49, while the full block was 8th for the year and 11th in 18-49.

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BLAUGH!

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL at 0.08/215K & 0.09/217K and 0.18/436K, compared to last week’s 0.10/241K & 0.09/233K and 0.27/561K, PARANOIA AGENT down 0.09 to 0.15/371K, MOB PSYCHO 100 down 0.07 to 0.16/380K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.04 to 0.15/346K, NARUTO down 0.04 to 0.11/206K, and SAMURAI JACK down 0.4 to 0.09/190K."

One step forward, 2 steps back.

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-7-18-2020.html

If only it coulda been like 5 years ago:

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Well guess what? We actually DID have a cable original air on Toonami in the month of July after all! Here's how it did:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-7-25-2020.html

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Won the night in Adults 18-34, and Female and Male 12-34! Plus #2 in Adults 18-49. Not bad for a total surprise!

And this came as no surprise 5 years ago:

Top-40-Cable-SAT.25-Jul-2015-e1438088301

More to come!

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You know this means an end to Toonami calling their anime-funded shorts "secret"? Because the past two times they did that, they were both fan-made Rick and Morty shorts produced by animators from Japan. You cannot keep doing a secret thing three times if the audience recognizes a pattern by the second time. They will come to expect it.

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Well, we still don't know how Super did in total viewers, but...

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-7-25-2020.html

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL at 0.07/211K & 0.11/249K and 0.27, compared to last week’s 0.08/215K & 0.09/217K and 0.18/436K, a special RICK & MORTY short at 0.26, PARANOIA AGENT up 0.09 to 0.24/422K, MOB PSYCHO 100 up 0.07 to 0.23/391K, BLACK CLOVER up 0.07 to 0.22/363K, and NARUTO up 0.04 to 0.15/283K."

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14 hours ago, Sketch said:

I'd say that night was quite a success, at least for ratings lately.

Believe it or not, Toonami's Rick & Morty short actually did better than Robot Chicken on Sunday night, despite airing 30-45 minutes later:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-sunday-cable-originals-network-finals-7-26-2020.html

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Numbers for DBS and Ballmastrz finally came in, and they look pretty good:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-fox-tops-all-key-figures-with-mlb-baseball/

Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (Adult Swim, 12:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.524 million viewers • 0.349 million adults 18-49 • 0.27 A18-49 • 0.26 A25-54 • 0.08 A55+

Rick & Morty Short Rick & Morty vs. Genocider (P) (Adult Swim, 12:30 AM, 15 min.) • 0.483 million viewers • 0.340 million adults 18-49 • 0.26 A18-49 • 0.24 A25-54 • 0.07 A55+

Paranoia Agent (repeat) (Adult Swim, 12:45 AM, 35 min.) • 0.422 million viewers • 0.306 million adults 18-49 • 0.24 A18-49 • 0.23 A25-54 • 0.04 A55+

Mob Psycho 100 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 1:20 AM, 30 min.) • 0.391 million viewers • 0.298 million adults 18-49 • 0.23 A18-49 • 0.22 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Black Clover (repeat) (Adult Swim, 1:50 AM, 40 min.) • 0.363 million viewers • 0.278 million adults 18-49 • 0.21 A18-49 • 0.20 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Ballmastrz: 9009 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:30 AM, 15 min.) • 0.316 million viewers • 0.235 million adults 18-49 • 0.18 A18-49 • 0.17 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Ballmastrz: 9009 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:45 AM, 15 min.) • 0.309 million viewers • 0.231 million adults 18-49 • 0.18 A18-49 • 0.16 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Naruto: Shippuden (repeat) (Adult Swim, 3:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.283 million viewers • 0.197 million adults 18-49 • 0.15 A18-49 • 0.13 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Nothing from 12-3 AM under 300K or 230K 18-49--not sure when that happened last!

*checks, looks*

Wow, it was just 2 weeks ago, when DBS came back? Alrighty then!

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On 7/12/2020 at 7:38 PM, OwlChemist81 said:

If you were wondering how the DBS marathon last weekend did, well, wonder no more!

DBS draws, and it retains, yo!

Also, you can compare it to the worst-rated lineup of all time a year before!

NOW maybe people will shut up when I say 4th of July weekend should be almost always be marathons-only!

https://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-ratings-for-july-4th-2020/

And finally, 5 years ago Kill la Kill and SAO2 were of course still kicking ass!

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Was looking back at your last couple of "5 years ago" charts and damn I forgot how much ass Kill la Kill used to kick in the ratings (and SAO II).

June 13th #1, June 20th #2, June 27 #8, July 11 #7

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Well, that's not very reassuring...

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-1-2020.html

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It's at least better than it usually did at 2 AM in key demographics, right??

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL at 0.08/194K & 0.07/195K and 0.18/335K compared to last week’s 0.07/211K & 0.11/249K and 0.27, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE at 0.17, MOB PSYCHO 100 down 0.07 to 0.16/270K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.07 to 0.15/242K, NARUTO down 0.04 to 0.11/195K, and SAMURAI JACK at 0.09/173K."

Crap. We don't yet know Ballmastrz, but from what we do know, last week's lineup (7/25) was 9th overall for the year (5th from 12-3 AM), and was 5th for the year so far in 18-49 (4th from 12-3). However, this week (8/1), the number of total viewers in every timeslot was LOWER than the number of Adults 18-49 one week prior! Dead last for the year and only better than one other lineup last year (7/6/19, the block's all-time nadir).

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28 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Well, that's not very reassuring...

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-1-2020.html

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It's at least better than it usually did at 2 AM in key demographics, right??

Sports are back with a vengeance, and Toonami’s anemic programming and rerun centric schedule stand no chance without fresh content.

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17 minutes ago, Sketch said:

DBS on managed 0.18 so JoJo getting 0.17 is good retention but it’s still yikes across the board.

Perhaps two weeks of Batman double features will convince WarnerMedia that Toonami needs a DC show as its headliner.

What DC show?  They’re all live action.  Unless you think the Toonami audience will go for Doom Patrol.

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2 minutes ago, Jman said:

What DC show?  They’re all live action.  Unless you think the Toonami audience will go for Doom Patrol.

Young Justice obviously.

Though I wonder how HD Batman: TAS, Justice League or Batman Beyond might do.

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  Toonami doesn't have the budget to compete. The best they can do is a couple of short run originals every three or four years, with tier 2 shows and some packaging in between. The solution is to try to engage the audience and build a community, in the way LivePD managed to build "watch parties" and the like. The problem is that Toonami had the chance when it relaunched and they missed it. Now it is stale, the packaging is mediocre and the content is lacking a consistent big draw.

 

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12 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

  Toonami doesn't have the budget to compete. The best they can do is a couple of short run originals every three or four years, with tier 2 shows and some packaging in between. The solution is to try to engage the audience and build a community, in the way LivePD managed to build "watch parties" and the like. The problem is that Toonami had the chance when it relaunched and they missed it. Now it is stale, the packaging is mediocre and the content is lacking a consistent big draw.

 

Man, who shit in your cornflakes to make you such a pessimist nowadays?

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2 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

I Mean How much can they really engage the audience anyways? I Mean what did you even expect them to do

  1. Involve fans in the program. Things like "dress your pet like your fav MHA Hero (or villain) and show the photos being sent in. Have a semi-permanent watch party showing. Spread the photos throughout the program block.
  2. Special streaming/events that can be accessed from passwords that are broadcast. Time the event to Sunday at 9 pm. This can be anything from AMVs to old school anime films like Riding Bean.
  3. Have (unpaid) interns do this to keep costs down. This is why you have them in the first place.

  The point is that Toonami can't compete budget wise so they have to be innovative. They missed the boat on that, but with the packaging stories involving Tom and Sara they could relaunch/rebrand and include these audience involvement activities for relatively little money. A block that has new content would be ideal, such as when they get Blade Runner/Uzumaki/Dr. Stone and possibly the tail end of Fire Force S2 or even S3. A lot of fresh content with a fresh upgraded package that involves the audience will build and retain that audience.

 

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17 hours ago, Ginguy said:
  1. Involve fans in the program. Things like "dress your pet like your fav MHA Hero (or villain) and show the photos being sent in. Have a semi-permanent watch party showing. Spread the photos throughout the program block.
  2. Special streaming/events that can be accessed from passwords that are broadcast. Time the event to Sunday at 9 pm. This can be anything from AMVs to old school anime films like Riding Bean.
  3. Have (unpaid) interns do this to keep costs down. This is why you have them in the first place.

  The point is that Toonami can't compete budget wise so they have to be innovative. They missed the boat on that, but with the packaging stories involving Tom and Sara they could relaunch/rebrand and include these audience involvement activities for relatively little money. A block that has new content would be ideal, such as when they get Blade Runner/Uzumaki/Dr. Stone and possibly the tail end of Fire Force S2 or even S3. A lot of fresh content with a fresh upgraded package that involves the audience will build and retain that audience.

 

Hire this man.

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So guys. I was in the path of tropical storm Isaias and I have no power. I am posting here on my phone using an unstable data connection. We have a generator, but with no power comes no cable and no WiFi, which means I may not be able to participate with you all this Saturday. We have no Ethernet cable. I can play Toonami on my phone through sling tv, but I cannot do that and post here on safari at the same time on my phone. So unless our systems service stops being a lazy greedy corrupt wise-ass, I won’t have power until Monday .

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1 hour ago, elfie said:

So guys. I was in the path of tropical storm Isaias and I have no power. I am posting here on my phone using an unstable data connection. We have a generator, but with no power comes no cable and no WiFi, which means I may not be able to participate with you all this Saturday. We have no Ethernet cable. I can play Toonami on my phone through sling tv, but I cannot do that and post here on safari at the same time on my phone. So unless our systems service stops being a lazy greedy corrupt wise-ass, I won’t have power until Monday .

May as well take the weekend and go camping/fishing. 

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Well, the good news is that Family Guy didn't even crack 500K:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-canadiens-penguins-on-nbc-earns-second-most-total-audience-of-nhl-season-to-date/

And here's all of Toonami's numbers:

Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (Adult Swim, 12:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.335 million viewers • 0.231 million adults 18-49 • 0.18 A18-49 • 0.18 A25-54 • 0.05 A55+

JoJo’s Bizarre Adventures: Golden Wind (Adult Swim, 12:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.291 million viewers • 0.215 million adults 18-49 • 0.17 A18-49 • 0.17 A25-54 • 0.04 A55+

Mob Psycho 100 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 1:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.270 million viewers • 0.209 million adults 18-49 • 0.16 A18-49 • 0.16 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Black Clover (repeat) (Adult Swim, 1:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.242 million viewers • 0.194 million adults 18-49 • 0.15 A18-49 • 0.15 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+

Ballmastrz: 9009 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:00 AM, 15 min.) • 0.228 million viewers • 0.184 million adults 18-49 • 0.14 A18-49 • 0.14 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+

Ballmastrz: 9009 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:15 AM, 15 min.) • 0.235 million viewers • 0.193 million adults 18-49 • 0.15 A18-49 • 0.15 A25-54 • 0.01 A55+

Naruto: Shippuden (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.195 million viewers • 0.148 million adults 18-49 • 0.11 A18-49 • 0.11 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+

Samurai Jack (repeat) (Adult Swim, 3:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.173 million viewers • 0.114 million adults 18-49 • 0.09 A18-49 • 0.09 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

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On 8/6/2020 at 12:12 PM, elfie said:

So guys. I was in the path of tropical storm Isaias and I have no power. I am posting here on my phone using an unstable data connection. We have a generator, but with no power comes no cable and no WiFi, which means I may not be able to participate with you all this Saturday. We have no Ethernet cable. I can play Toonami on my phone through sling tv, but I cannot do that and post here on safari at the same time on my phone. So unless our systems service stops being a lazy greedy corrupt wise-ass, I won’t have power until Monday .

That sucks :( and sorry to hear about everything 

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JoJo from 8/8/20 is in, and it's pretty much flat with last week or DOWN considerably in Adults 18-34:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-8-2020.html

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It's amazing to see how fall cable TV has fallen. Same time slot, same night of the week, exactly 5 years later, the occupying show could only muster less than a 5th of the viewership (or not even an 8TH the 18-34 number!)  Of course back then it didn't have the NBA to compete with!

We don't yet have the numbers from this week to verify this, but I think it's clear that Dragon Ball Super reruns aren't cutting it at midnight. Hopefully the Batman movies do better this week and next. But the NBA is a formidable force. Perhaps TNT's games will contain ads for Batman this week?

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I never thought I'd say this, but it looks like we need SAO to save us beyond Batman. I think it would do pretty well as a midnight lead-in and at least give us a solid hour of dub premieres for the next 9 weeks. Even Fire Force Season 2 will never be one of those!

With no break on Labor Day weekend, JoJo would end right before Halloween. I think it would be pretty cool if it were also the Halloween marathon, and it could also feature a video of that JoJo rap song, perhaps with clips from all 5 parts for its final sendoff on the network (well, until Part 6: Stone Ocean is produced and arrives anyway. Maybe beyond the pandemic?)

SAO of course would be another option for the Halloween marathon, and both COULD feature an extended Toonami for DST. (4.5 hours instead of 3.5). For SAO that would be Episodes 13-21 of WOU (1-9 of the new cour)--but I believe I'm getting ahead of myself here. We don't even know for sure SAO is coming at the end of the month, after all! But that Halloween JoJo sendoff (of GW episodes 31-39 or 32-39) sounds like a cool idea to me.

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Hey, you're right!

In fact, I'd say it's a bit more likely that they'll do a Paranoia Agent Halloween marathon. The fact that it's also the end of DST means they have the unique opportunity to run all 13 episodes if they expand to 5:30 for one night only, and that still offers room for a 30-minute buffer before CN takes over.

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DBS improved considerably, but the 1 AM hour sagged a bit:

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL at 0.08/184K & 0.07/167K and 0.23/452K compared to last week’s 0.08/194K & 0.07/195K and 0.18/335K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE steady at 0.17, FIRE FORCE at 0.13/229K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.03 to 0.12/212K, NARUTO up 0.01 to 0.12/193K, SAMURAI JACK up 0.02 to 0.11/192K, and GEMUSETTO MACHU PICCHU at 0.10/179K."

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Toonami numbers up first:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-pga-championship-on-espn-scores-15-year-cable-telecast-high-of-third-round-coverage-in-total-viewers/

Wow, Ballmastrz sucked balls. Surely Batman: The Dark Knight Returns can beat this sub-200K suck-fest!

Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (Adult Swim, 12:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.452 million viewers • 0.303 million adults 18-49 • 0.23 A18-49 • 0.22 A25-54 • 0.04 A55+

JoJo’s Bizarre Adventures: Golden Wind (Adult Swim, 12:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.303 million viewers • 0.217 million adults 18-49 • 0.17 A18-49 • 0.17 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Fire Force (repeat) (Adult Swim, 1:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.229 million viewers • 0.165 million adults 18-49 • 0.13 A18-49 • 0.13 A25-54 • 0.03 A55+

Black Clover (repeat) (Adult Swim, 1:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.212 million viewers • 0.160 million adults 18-49 • 0.12 A18-49 • 0.12 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+

Ballmastrz: 9009 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:00 AM, 15 min.) • 0.192 million viewers • 0.150 million adults 18-49 • 0.12 A18-49 • 0.11 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+

Ballmastrz: 9009 (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:15 AM, 15 min.) • 0.179 million viewers • 0.136 million adults 18-49 • 0.11 A18-49 • 0.10 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+

Naruto: Shippuden (repeat) (Adult Swim, 2:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.193 million viewers • 0.150 million adults 18-49 • 0.12 A18-49 • 0.11 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+

Samurai Jack (repeat) (Adult Swim, 3:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.192 million viewers • 0.146 million adults 18-49 • 0.11 A18-49 • 0.11 A25-54 • 0.02 A55+


 

 

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Not bad, Bats! Not bad at all!

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-15-2020.html

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Bested only by UFC prelims, and in the case of DKR Part 1, a Shark Week special, in 18-49. Hopefully the Bat can keep it up next week on the same bat-channel at the same bat-time!

Oddly enough, Toonami occupied the exact same chart positions 5 years ago, though with much higher actual numbers in MOST cases; note that in 50+, Batman actually BEAT SAO from 5 years ago!!

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Na na na na na na RATINGS!

That and the Toonami audience, as has been said, was starved for fresh content.  Let’s see if next week, sans competition from a UFC PPV (a free card should be over right when Gotham Knights is starting) can do similar.

 

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Nope.

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-grizzlies-trail-blazers-nba-play-in-on-abc-tops-weeks-sports-telecasts-in-adults-18-49/

Batman: Year One (P) (Adult Swim, 12:00 AM, 90 min.) • 0.512 million viewers • 0.320 million adults 18-49 • 0.25 A18-49 • 0.26 A25-54 • 0.11 A55+

Batman: Dark Knight Returns Part 1 (P) (Adult Swim, 1:30 AM, 100 min.) • 0.433 million viewers • 0.297 million adults 18-49 • 0.23 A18-49 • 0.23 A25-54 • 0.09 A55+

Rick & Morty Short: Rick and Morty vs. Genocider (repeat) (Adult Swim, 3:10 AM, 10 min.) • 0.409 million viewers • 0.300 million adults 18-49 • 0.23 A18-49 • 0.22 A25-54 • 0.07 A55+

Rick & Morty Short: Samurai and Shogun (repeat) (Adult Swim, 3:20 AM, 10 min.) • 0.414 million viewers • 0.307 million adults 18-49 • 0.24 A18-49 • 0.23 A25-54 • 0.07 A55+

By my math, the block's average was 465K total viewers, and 307K adults 18-49. I'm not sure if that's the new high for the year, but I think it may be.
 

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