Fire Force is coming to Toonami!

[The1gairon]

Well at least that's ONE show!

This announcement also comes with a new upcoming schedule!

... does anyone find it VERY uncomfortable that this is announced the day Ep 3 is delayed because of the KyoAni disaster where 33 people died in a fire?

Edited July 19, 2019 by elfie

[OwlChemist81]

Well, if this DOES become an issue, it might be a big chance for MHA to get further up the schedule, as Fire Force goes prematurely into reruns of Episodes 1 & 2 after Gundam on August 10-17, then hopefully that would be long enough for Episode 3 to air on August 24th, which would directly replace the final episode of MHA.

I don't know what's gonna happen on August 3rd, but somehow I still believe AOT MIGHT get reruns at 3:30 AM, pushing MHA and Gundam up, and expanding Toonami to 10:15 PM with the premiere of gen:LOCK in a 45-minute timeslot, which would swap spots with Dragon Ball Super the following week when it trims down to 30 minutes. If that's the case, then Fire Force would have its 2-week encore at 3 AM instead. After MHA ends, Toonami would be probably be permanently shifted back to 10:30-3:30 on August 24th, with DBS leading the charge in prime time.

But I realize that's a LOT of speculation, even for me. It IS one way to deal with the potential delay and send MHA and its fans home happy though!

Edited July 19, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[Jman]

They picked a bad time to announce this.

[CountFrylock]

Oof toonami just can't catch a break

[3ngag3]

I really hope they have some kind of disclaimer or something linking to a donation site to help the fire victims.

[CountFrylock]

39 minutes ago, Jman said:

They picked a bad time to announce this.

 

[Daos]

Sigh, swing and a miss.

So there's 3 big anime this season. Dr Stone. Danmachi's second season. And the new Accelerator spin off anime.

Toonami will be airing none of these, and will be instead airing an anime that no one even bothered writing a review for on MAL.

I mean, maybe it will be good.. probably better than Foodwars. But yikes.

That timing isn't great either.

[3ngag3]

You know they'd have to air the first season of DanMachi before the second season, right?

Also:

Fire Force score: 8.05

Dr. Stone score: 8.27

They're not that far off.

[Top Gun]

11 minutes ago, Daos said:

Sigh, swing and a miss.

So there's 3 big anime this season. Dr Stone. Danmachi's second season. And the new Accelerator spin off anime.

Toonami will be airing none of these, and will be instead airing an anime that no one even bothered writing a review for on MAL.

I mean, maybe it will be good.. probably better than Foodwars. But yikes.

That timing isn't great either.

Fire Force is a high-profile shounen adaptation with a crapload of hype. This is a great pickup, horrific events notwithstanding. 

[CountFrylock]

58 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

Fire Force is a high-profile shounen adaptation with a crapload of hype. This is a great pickup, horrific events notwithstanding. 

unfortunately i doubt after the first two episodes we'll be seeing it again on toonami

they'll need some AOT Reruns to take that spot afterwards and by the time it can return...should it? several months is too much momentum lost for a series that only had 2 episodes aired on toonami

 

[Ric]

Never heard of this show. Never seen a firefighter anime though, might check it out.

[Jman]

13 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

unfortunately i doubt after the first two episodes we'll be seeing it again on toonami

they'll need some AOT Reruns to take that spot afterwards and by the time it can return...should it? several months is too much momentum lost for a series that only had 2 episodes aired on toonami

 

Yeah, rumors of the whole thing being shitcanned are floating around.

Let’s face it folks, Toonami loses again.  It’s a damn shame because I enjoyed what I saw from the simuldubs, but you CANNOT push back on a cancellation done to help people grieve.  People come first.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Jman

[The1gairon]

2 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

 

I figured. They know how to plan for the unexpected, like how they handled the SAO glitch, or a show ending early.

[The1gairon]

2 hours ago, Jman said:

They picked a bad time to announce this.

They didn't know at the time.

[OwlChemist81]

24 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

unfortunately i doubt after the first two episodes we'll be seeing it again on toonami

they'll need some AOT Reruns to take that spot afterwards and by the time it can return...should it? several months is too much momentum lost for a series that only had 2 episodes aired on toonami

 

Good grief.

I'm pretty sure the rumors of it being "shitcanned" beyond episode 2 must be GREATLY exaggerated! I mean, if it was, then "#SaveFireForce" would be a thing, but it's not!

And why the hell would they run AOT in its place? I came up with a proposal to soften the blow, leave Fire Force on the block, AND send MHA fans off happy, but no one ever "listens" to me!

[The1gairon]

25 minutes ago, Ric said:

Never heard of this show. Never seen a firefighter anime though, might check it out.

It's from the manga by the creator of Soul Eater, and was hyped realllly highly. It's worth noting that the upcoming TRIGGER movie PROMARE is also about firefighters.

[The1gairon]

I really REALLY hope this is just a delay, and not an outright cancellation of the anime.

I hope.

[The1gairon]

19 minutes ago, Jman said:

Yeah, rumors of the whole thing being shitcanned are floating around.

Let’s face it folks, Toonami loses again.  It’s a damn shame because I enjoyed what I saw from the simuldubs, but you CANNOT push back on a cancellation done to help people grieve.  People come first.

... the fire only started under 2 days ago! You can't give em shit for not having magical powers to time things well!! Plus are we really gonna put a form of disposable entertainment over the very real deaths that happened??

Edited July 19, 2019 by elfie

[The1gairon]

3 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Well, if this DOES become an issue, it might be a big chance for MHA to get further up the schedule, as Fire Force goes prematurely into reruns of Episodes 1 & 2 after Gundam on August 10-17, then hopefully that would be long enough for Episode 3 to air on August 24th, which would directly replace the final episode of MHA.

I don't know what's gonna happen on August 3rd, but somehow I still believe AOT MIGHT get reruns at 3:30 AM, pushing MHA and Gundam up, and expanding Toonami to 10:15 PM with the premiere of gen:LOCK in a 45-minute timeslot, which would swap spots with Dragon Ball Super the following week when it trims down to 30 minutes. If that's the case, then Fire Force would have its 2-week encore at 3 AM instead. After MHA ends, Toonami would be probably be permanently shifted back to 10:30-3:30 on August 24th, with DBS leading the charge in prime time.

But I realize that's a LOT of speculation, even for me. It IS one way to deal with the potential delay and send MHA and its fans home happy though!

They had 2 schedule changes in 2 weeks since MHA moved. Neither of them convinced them to push it back up, so I'm gonna assume it's going to stay where it is until the remaining 5 episodes air. That's a really great suggestion for one though.

[OwlChemist81]

Boy, it would have been horrible timing and SUPER tone-deaf if Toonami had aired a show like Fire Force tomorrow, wouldn't it?

But my feeling was I thought it was about fire FIGHTERS, not fire STARTERS. Now for them to air the 2nd episode of FLCL tomorrow, THAT would have been tone-deaf!

[but you can stream it now...]

[PokeNirvash]

I'm actually disappointed by this. Not only is this poor timing regarding the events in Kyoto, but it's one of those popular, predictable pickups that I desperately want Toonami to move away from. If only Demarco's knowledge wasn't as entry-level as he's making it look.

On the upside, it should be fun, watching the industry's acknowledgement of Asta's nun fetish.

(For those who don't get it: the MC is voiced by Asta's seiyuu, and one of the members of his team is a nun. It ain't rocket science.)

[3ngag3]

56 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

On the upside, it should be fun, watching the industry's acknowledgement of Asta's nun fetish.

(For those who don't get it: the MC is voiced by Asta's seiyuu, and one of the members of his team is a nun. It ain't rocket science.)

Unlike Asta though, Shinra isn't constantly trying to harass her to marry him.

Edited July 19, 2019 by 3ngag3

[The1gairon]

44 minutes ago, 3ngag3 said:

Unlike Asta though, Shinra isn't constantly trying to harass her to marry him.

Nor does he share the same voice actor.

This is one of the shows I actually read the beginning of teh manga to, and I am not a manga reader.  So we will get into uncharted territory for me only a few episodes in.

[Ginguy]

I like this pick-up.

The show is kind of everything Toonami needs right now: simple story that is easy to get into, good production quality, a good mix of action, comedy, a bit of fan-service. In all it should be a solid performer.

A crazy douche-bag kind of ruined it, but if Toonami has similar titles in store then I think they can make amends for recent "WTF?!?!" pick-ups....

 

[PokeNirvash]

3 hours ago, elfie said:

Nor does he share the same voice actor.

Yes. In America.

Asta's English VA is Dallas Reid; Shinra's is Derick Snow. But Gakuto Kajiwara voices the both of them in the Japanese dubs of their respective shows.

In short, don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash.

2 hours ago, Ginguy said:

if Toonami has similar titles in store then I think they can make amends for recent "WTF?!?!" pick-ups....

Just for that, I'm gonna start pushing for more of those WTF pickups.

[keep toonami unpredictable]

Edited July 20, 2019 by PokeNirvash

[StarPanda]

Yes very bad timing for this pick even if the deal was struck before the announcement but I like it, honestly this one interested me more then Dr. Stone. 

But a solid pick if it wasn't for the Kyoto anime tragedy, this whole thread would be a a whole lot different 

[CountFrylock]

8 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Good grief.

I'm pretty sure the rumors of it being "shitcanned" beyond episode 2 must be GREATLY exaggerated! I mean, if it was, then "#SaveFireForce" would be a thing, but it's not!

And why the hell would they run AOT in its place? I came up with a proposal to soften the blow, leave Fire Force on the block, AND send MHA fans off happy, but no one ever "listens" to me!

do you honestly think the anime's gonna be back on track before toonami even airs it?  it might as well be shit canned if it's down for several months

that's enough time for toonami fans to completely lose interest

 

 

Edited July 20, 2019 by CountFrylock

[ben0119]

I was just discussing this with someone on the boards a week or two ago, that was recommending the show and I was thinking of checking it out.  How it's from the Soul Eater creator and is pretty good.  I had also seen a Youtuber I'm subscribed to uploaded the ED and I liked how the character in the thumbnail looked.  I didn't realize it was actually about fire fighters.  I wonder if that's a topic difficult to keep interesting in a shonen.  I will be curious to see.  Instead of Chicago Fire, we have Tokyo Fire, eh?

The fact that Fire Force was negotiated down to the wire is... not a good sign.  They should have plans and plan Bs, Cs, and Ds well ahead of time.  They know when shows are ending.  Yet they constantly get caught unawares with their pants down?  And given the show isn't coming til next week and couldn't come this week, it most likely is not one of the four mystery shows announced at that convention, unless there was a snafu in the negotiations and they somehow recovered them just now.  I have a feeling Demarco is no Roger Smith, though.

There was also a tweet from Toonami Squad that claimed they have INSIDE SOURCES close to Williams Street that say Toonami is reportedly planning to premiere a new show, but plans could change.  Is Toonami Squad the Dave Meltzer of Toonami news?

And, ah, yeah, the fire at Kyoto Animation.  Terrible timing for this.  There's only 3 episodes in in Japan, (and 3 was postponed?) so this would be a great near-to-Japan release otherwise, but that is going to be problematic.  I suppose we'll have to wait and see what happens.  Did they say if the anime was going to postponed more than just that one week? 

And I really hope there's not any arsonists in the series, at least not early on.

Edited July 20, 2019 by ben0119

[ben0119]

10 hours ago, Daos said:

Sigh, swing and a miss.

So there's 3 big anime this season. Dr Stone. Danmachi's second season. And the new Accelerator spin off anime.

Toonami will be airing none of these, and will be instead airing an anime that no one even bothered writing a review for on MAL.

I mean, maybe it will be good.. probably better than Foodwars. But yikes.

That timing isn't great either.

This show and its manga is pretty big, actually, so Toonami actually did a good one getting a hyped show for once.  But yeah... with what just happened...

Dr. Stone, there was also the shows you suggested before, and others that escape me at the moment.  And it doesn't have to be a show from this season.  And please not Danmachi.  Can't stand that show, at least from what I saw of the first few episodes in Japanese.  Too tryhard with the cutesie stuff, dull as hell, and Hestia is annoying as fuck.  There's really not much to it, either.

It's hard to be as bad or worse than Food Wars.  It also has the same author as Soul Eater.  Then again an author of a proven series doing another one is no guarantee of a show being enjoyable for the fans of their previous series, but given that knowledge and recommendations, I'm apt to give it the benefit of the doubt.

[ben0119]

11 hours ago, 3ngag3 said:

I really hope they have some kind of disclaimer or something linking to a donation site to help the fire victims.

They could do that in Japan too, as far as that goes.

[ben0119]

9 hours ago, Jman said:

Yeah, rumors of the whole thing being shitcanned are floating around.

Let’s face it folks, Toonami loses again.  It’s a damn shame because I enjoyed what I saw from the simuldubs, but you CANNOT push back on a cancellation done to help people grieve.  People come first.

They didn't change the name of Lord of the Rings: Two Towers, or postpone it.  Really nothing similar to 9/11 about that movie besides the name, though.  It's fantasy setting, plus the towers look nothing like the World Trade Center and don't even stand near each other.

[ben0119]

8 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

I'm actually disappointed by this. Not only is this poor timing regarding the events in Kyoto, but it's one of those popular, predictable pickups that I desperately want Toonami to move away from. If only Demarco's knowledge wasn't as entry-level as he's making it look.

On the upside, it should be fun, watching the industry's acknowledgement of Asta's nun fetish.

(For those who don't get it: the MC is voiced by Asta's seiyuu, and one of the members of his team is a nun. It ain't rocket science.)

They need to get a few predictable shows if they want to keep the block on the air.  More of stuff like this and less albatrosses like Gundam.  Still, Gundam and Lupin were predictable, even if they won't be big hits for the block.  Food Wars wasn't predictable but is terrible and is doing terrible.  Ideally they would shy away from their fandom obsessions that do the block no favors, get some "predictable shows" to keep the lights on, and get some unpredictable but good, sleeper hits, like Michiko & Hatchin.  Too bad they wasted two slots on Food Wars and Gundam.

3 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

Yes. In America.

Asta's English VA is Dallas Reid; Shinra's is Derick Snow. But Gakuto Kajiwara voices the both of them in the Japanese dubs of their respective shows.

In short, don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash.

Just for that, I'm gonna start pushing for more of those WTF pickups.

[keep toonami unpredictable]

It's too bad they didn't mirror it in America, haha.  There were short jokes for Hitsugaya in Bleach, and he had the same Japanese voice actor as Edward Elric, but I have no idea if that was intentional.  Surely the mangakas couldn't plan this out, not knowing that their shows would get animes or who their characters' VAs would be?

And what's this, it's a Funimation show?  I don't know if Dallas Reid can or would work for other studios or not, but since both are Funimation he could definitely do it.  Maybe things aren't so bad with them and Toonami after all.

There's not many checks elfie's ass can cash.

[OwlChemist81]

1 hour ago, ben0119 said:

This show and its manga is pretty big, actually, so Toonami actually did a good one getting a hyped show for once.  But yeah... with what just happened...

Dr. Stone, there was also the shows you suggested before, and others that escape me at the moment.  And it doesn't have to be a show from this season.  And please not Danmachi.  Can't stand that show, at least from what I saw of the first few episodes in Japanese.  Too tryhard with the cutesie stuff, dull as hell, and Hestia is annoying as fuck.  There's really not much to it, either.

It's hard to be as bad or worse than Food Wars.  It also has the same author as Soul Eater.  Then again an author of a proven series doing another one is no guarantee of a show being enjoyable for the fans of their previous series, but given that knowledge and recommendations, I'm apt to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Wait, Food Wars and Soul Eater have the same author!?!

[OSC]

I had this on my to watch list, so of course, I'm in. The timing was unfortunate, but the timing was planning beforehand. No blame to Toonami. Full blame to the arsonist.

[rpgamer]

3 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

do you honestly think the anime's gonna be back on track before toonami even airs it?  it might as well be shit canned if it's down for several months

that's enough time for toonami fans to completely lose interest

Why do you keep saying "several months"? What are your sources saying that the show will be down for that long? Cuz, if it's already started airing, it's very probably already all made and ready to go, they're just putting in a delay on airing the next episode to not seem completely inconsiderate. After a week or two, it'll be back to running. There are, presumably, still contracts in play, people still need to make money, etc. They're not completely shelving this.

[Sketch]

If I had to guess, Fire Force will take no more than two weeks off in Japan. That could bode well for Toonami if they are allowed to keep airing it uninterrupted. Any more than two weeks hiatus and Fire Force would probably have to get pulled from Japanese broadcast until October or as late as some time in 2020. It's not so easy to reschedule shows on Japanese television. They'll probably air episode 3 in Japan next week but there's really no telling for sure.

Honestly, announcing this show for Toonami while people are still reeling from what happened to Kyoto Animation's studio one isn't something I would have done. I would have waited another week and just kept doubled up Titan for two weeks or start gen:LOCK a week earlier. This is incredibly bad timing. Could you imagine if they had announced Fire Force a day earlier, or worse were airing it this Saturday? Hell, they probably would have delayed airing it until July 27th or August 3rd even if they had announced it for July 20th last week. As it stands I would not blame them for delaying it until August despite just announcing it for July 27th but I expect it will air on July 27th and we'll have to see what happens after that.

[OwlChemist81]

If it was a show about fire STARTERS, I might understand the apprehension. But fire FIGHTERS? I have a hard time seeing it.

Besides, Bakugo will probably be blowing something up at 3:30 AM tomorrow...

[Sketch]

12 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

If it was a show about fire STARTERS, I might understand the apprehension. But fire FIGHTERS? I have a hard time seeing it.

Besides, Bakugo will probably be blowing something up at 3:30 AM tomorrow...

Fire fighters who use fire to fight fire. What they actually fight are human beings who have spontaneously combusted and become demons called "the infernal". The second episode makes a point of showing how gut-wrenching their work really is. It's a horrifying concept if you take some time to think about it. Regardless of it being about the people putting out the fires and extinguishing the evil whenever possible, the subject matter and the frequent sight of people burning alive is going to be hard to swallow for some people after the arson attack on Kyoto Animation studio one and the massive amount injuries and deaths that occurred there.

[brianycpht]

1 hour ago, Sketch said:

If I had to guess, Fire Force will take no more than two weeks off in Japan. That could bode well for Toonami if they are allowed to keep airing it uninterrupted. Any more than two weeks hiatus and Fire Force would probably have to get pulled from Japanese broadcast until October or as late as some time in 2020. It's not so easy to reschedule shows on Japanese television. They'll probably air episode 3 in Japan next week but there's really no telling for sure.

Honestly, announcing this show for Toonami while people are still reeling from what happened to Kyoto Animation's studio one isn't something I would have done. I would have waited another week and just kept doubled up Titan for two weeks or start gen:LOCK a week earlier. This is incredibly bad timing. Could you imagine if they had announced Fire Force a day earlier, or worse were airing it this Saturday? Hell, they probably would have delayed airing it until July 27th or August 3rd even if they had announced it for July 20th last week. As it stands I would not blame them for delaying it until August despite just announcing it for July 27th but I expect it will air on July 27th and we'll have to see what happens after that.

I'm guessing that you're right. I was around during Columbine and of course 9/11 and theres always going to be things pulled in the immediate aftermath to allow people to grieve and not remind the public of horrifying events. Even after 9/11- Gundam (well 8th MS ) was back on the air within a month. This is a little more graphic and reminiscent of the fire however. It had to be pulled this week and talk of any plan to bring it back i just innapproriate the day after- they'll probably address it next week.

As for Toonami, I actually was messaging with a friend of mine about hoe horrible and problematic it would be if that was the show they picked up and we agreed that there was no way they'd even be able to announce it now if that deal worked out. Whatever happens, they have the show now and they'll pick it up again right when it comes back- but it's not as easy to just drop it in right at that moment if they pick up something else. i guess we'll see..

[The1gairon]

7 hours ago, ben0119 said:

  Did they say if the anime was going to postponed more than just that one week?

No one did.  No one knows how long this delay is gonna be.

[The1gairon]

6 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Wait, Food Wars and Soul Eater have the same author!?!

No.  Soul Eater and FIRE FORCE have the same writer.

[Jman]

4 hours ago, Sketch said:

Fire fighters who use fire to fight fire. What they actually fight are human beings who have spontaneously combusted and become demons called "the infernal". The second episode makes a point of showing how gut-wrenching their work really is. It's a horrifying concept if you take some time to think about it. Regardless of it being about the people putting out the fires and extinguishing the evil whenever possible, the subject matter and the frequent sight of people burning alive is going to be hard to swallow for some people after the arson attack on Kyoto Animation studio one and the massive amount injuries and deaths that occurred there.

Yeah, they’re gonna cancel it.

Hope DeMarco kept the receipt.

[Blatch]

Announcing the show at that time was tone-deaf, but considering how close it is to airing, I don't think DeMarco had a choice. Any longer and people would be complaining (again) about how he's trying to sabotage the block.

If it's going on hiatus for two weeks, they might as well not air it at all; I think CountFrylock actually has a point there. But there's really no way to tell, and I can't bring myself to a consensus on it. This is bigger than anime, and I don't mind if Toonami takes yet another ratings hit in the ensuing scramble to get the schedule fixed.

[mochi]

On 7/19/2019 at 9:06 AM, elfie said:

Well at least that's ONE show!

This announcement also comes with a new upcoming schedule!

... does anyone find it VERY uncomfortable that this is announced the day Ep 3 is delayed because of the KyoAni disaster where 33 people died in a fire?

 

for several reasons, but as it'd be tasteless to explain what those concerns are in light of the events concerning the delay...I will not mention what those concerns are

[DangerMouse]

On 7/19/2019 at 3:30 PM, Top Gun said:

Fire Force is a high-profile shounen adaptation with a crapload of hype. This is a great pickup, horrific events notwithstanding. 

This. Also the first two eps were awesome. It was a good choice for Toonami when they picked it up.

Also, it's so close to airdate that it's not like there was choice.

Edited July 21, 2019 by DangerMouse

[The1gairon]

DeMarco tweeted that because of the tragedy, they held off on airing the Fire Force promo too, which was originally meant to air tonight.

[mochi]

Just now, elfie said:

DeMarco tweeted that because of the tragedy, they held off on airing the Fire Force promo too, which was originally meant to air tonight.

having seen several anime episodes get "postponed" and then NEVER air, I'm also somewhat concerned that the show's been outright cancelled

 

Japan tends to permaban episodes of series if they're too reminiscent of real life tragedies, case in point, there's about 10 episodes of pokemon that have straight up been banned WORLDWIDE because of real life disasters that happened during their planned airings being too similar to the events of the episode

[Daos]

Shoulda gone with something uncontroversial like Goblins Gang raping hot girls.

That's where he went wrong here.

[Roymustang1990]

30 minutes ago, mochi said:

having seen several anime episodes get "postponed" and then NEVER air, I'm also somewhat concerned that the show's been outright cancelled

 

Japan tends to permaban episodes of series if they're too reminiscent of real life tragedies, case in point, there's about 10 episodes of pokemon that have straight up been banned WORLDWIDE because of real life disasters that happened during their planned airings being too similar to the events of the episode

Yeah it's really awful to see that happen

[DangerMouse]

27 minutes ago, Roymustang1990 said:

Yeah it's really awful to see that happen

Yeah