scoobdog Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 56 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: US boots on the ground in Gaza. Going to be interesting to see how this one plays out. That is not what that X post says. It's not something to cheer about, but it most definitely is needed. Whether it has any kind of dent in the unfolding human catastrophe remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Israel is going to go into Rafah and clear out Hamas. No amount of pressure from Biden or Schumer is going to change that at this point. Its going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 More than 80% of Israelis support Rafah operation in Gaza despite US opposition: Poll "Most Israelis, 82%, support a military operation in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, a new poll shows, despite pressure from the Biden administration and Democrats against doing so. Just 10% of Israelis said the operation should not happen "in any circumstances," while 49% say the operation should proceed "in any circumstances," and 33% said it should occur under certain conditions, according to a poll commissioned by "Globes," an Israeli newspaper. Additionally, just 11% of Israelis say the country "does not do enough" to protect civilians in Gaza, while 62% say Israel "does all it can" to avoid civilian casualties and 19% say "Israel does too much, since there are no 'non-combatants' in the Gaza Strip," per the poll. Furthermore, 44% of Israelis say that aid to Gaza should be conditional upon the release of the hostages, while 22% say that no aid should be given while the war continues. " This is something that Biden and Schumer just fundamentally do not understand. They are calling for Bibi to leave, but that wouldnt change anything. Israel is almost universally behind the goal of exterminating Hamas. October 7th was Israels Pearl Harbor. The mindset, and conditions on the ground in Israel, have fundamentally shifted in a way that they just do not understand. No amount of election interference by Biden and Schumer is going to change the fact that Israel is going to finish this mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Good for them. Let's see how much they support it when the US decides to scale back its weapon sales to Israel. They seem to have forgotten that the Israeli continues to exist because it has the backing of a superpower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 19 minutes ago, scoobdog said: Good for them. Let's see how much they support it when the US decides to scale back its weapon sales to Israel. They seem to have forgotten that the Israeli continues to exist because it has the backing of a superpower. The US isn't going to scale back weapons sales. Biden even said so when he set his "red line" about an operation into Rafah. The operation into Rafah is going to happen, and Israel is going to take out whatever is left of Hamas in that city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: The operation into Rafah is going to happen, and Israel is going to take out whatever is left of that city indiscriminately. Fixed for accuracy. Edited March 20 by naraku360 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: The US isn't going to scale back weapons sales. Biden even said so when he set his "red line" about an operation into Rafah. The operation into Rafah is going to happen, and Israel is going to take out whatever is left of Hamas in that city. There are differences in what can be sent and we both know it. Every time they herd the population into a new 'safe' place, they turn around and bomb the shit out of it/kill as many people as possible 'for the good of the people'. I seem to vaguely recall something quite similar to that occurring back in the 40's...in Germany...to a certain section of the population...that appears to think that's okay to do now... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 9 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: The US isn't going to scale back weapons sales. Biden even said so when he set his "red line" about an operation into Rafah. The operation into Rafah is going to happen, and Israel is going to take out whatever is left of Hamas in that city. Yes, I'm aware. My point is that American legislators won't have the appetite for mass murder and destruction that an Israeli citizen in the middle of a war will, and this Rafah operation could be the final nail in the coffin, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 On 3/20/2024 at 11:29 PM, scoobdog said: Yes, I'm aware. My point is that American legislators won't have the appetite for mass murder and destruction that an Israeli citizen in the middle of a war will, and this Rafah operation could be the final nail in the coffin, so to speak. Sure, you might lose some progressive lawmakers, but the vast majority of Democratic, and all GOP lawmakers are still firmly behind Israel. There are a lot of spending packages that need to get done where it would be extremely easy to insert language selling more weapons to Israel. Biden would then have to decide between Progressives and Israel. No matter what side he chooses, he loses. Side with Progressives and appear to support Hamas, or side with Israel and abandon his base? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 IDF: ‘Very significant’ Hamas commanders among 650 nabbed at Gaza’s Shifa hospital https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-650-terrorists-including-hamas-officers-detained-in-shifa-hospital-raid-so-far/ "Troops have captured some 650 terror suspects, including several “very significant” senior Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad commanders, during an ongoing operation at Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, the Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet security agency said Thursday, as talks continued in Qatar to secure an extended truce and hostage deal. According to the IDF, at least 358 of the detainees were confirmed to be members of terror groups. The IDF said that Islamic Jihad operatives holed up at the medical center surrendered to troops, including Hussam Salameh, the commander of PIJ’s observation and intelligence unit in Gaza City, and his brother, Wissam Salameh, head of the terror group’s propaganda unit in Gaza City." Israel launched a multi-day operation at the hospital to kill or capture Hamas terrorists. Rumors this morning are that the #4 of Hamas was at the hospital and he surrendered to IDF forces. This shows a few really important things. First, this is the hospital that Hamas has claimed multiple times was blown up by the IDF(it wasnt), and that they use this hospital as a key C&C center. Second, the IDF has full operational control of the area. Hamas thought that they would not reenter the hospital and that it was safe to return to the hospital and use it as a C&C post again. This is not a bad assumption if you are still in a pre Oct-7 mindset. Useful idiots in the West are making a lot noise, so they figured they had some cover. Fortunately Israel isnt being bothered by the screams of useful idiots anymore and are out to finish the job. Supposedly the IDF knew they were reoccupying the hospital but waited until more high-profile terrorists reoccupied the hospital before going in. Thats a great move by the IDF. They basically set a trap, and Hamas sprung it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 13 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Sure, you might lose some progressive lawmakers, but the vast majority of Democratic, and all GOP lawmakers are still firmly behind Israel. There are a lot of spending packages that need to get done where it would be extremely easy to insert language selling more weapons to Israel. Biden would then have to decide between Progressives and Israel. No matter what side he chooses, he loses. Side with Progressives and appear to support Hamas, or side with Israel and abandon his base? You underestimate the backlash. But, no one is suggesting that aid stops now, just that it isn’t limitless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1770895103785046489 "Graphic scenes: An Israeli army drone pursued four civilian youths who attempted to reach their destroyed homes and killed them with missiles in Khan Younis at the start of last February." There's the tweet text and link to the tweet of the video of people getting murdered. It doesn't autoplay, but I still didn't want to post the video directly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 https://crisisrelief.un.org/opt-crisis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) **per an al'jazeera tweet, a woman grossly exaggerated her story. Al Jazeera columnist and former director Yasser Abuhilalah also tweeted, admitting that “It was revealed through Hamas investigations that the story of the rape of women in Al-Shifa Hospital was fabricated… The woman who spoke about rape justified her exaggeration and incorrect talk by saying that the goal was to arouse the nation’s fervor and brotherhood,” adding critically that “As if more than thirty thousand martyrs, ninety thousand wounded, about a million displaced people, and comprehensive destruction were not enough!” i stand by what i think and said of the people cheering this. Edited March 25 by discolé monade 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, discolé monade said: kind of wondering, how the fuck anyone can justify any of this? Well, people like md don't see Palestinians as human beings so they feel nothing when they see them murdered. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Netanyahu’s office issued a statement calling the U.S. abstention “a clear retreat from the consistent position of the United States at the Security Council since the beginning of the war,” according to Israeli news outlets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 14 hours ago, discolé monade said: kind of wondering, how the fuck anyone can justify any of this? Such reports are unfathomable if true. We frequently (and sometimes rightly) get criticized for our military activities overseas; it comes with being in unstable "powder-keg" situations on a repeated basis. Nonetheless, the idea of American soldiers, sailors and Marines running roughshod over civilians is inconceivable given their level of training and the professional standards they're held to. It's entirely possible that the reports are distorting the situation to an extent, but even rouge IDF soldiers engaging in abusive behavior is completely inexcusable and the fact that the reports are even appearing at all is a testament to how the IDF and the Israeli government has completely lost control of the situation. Netanyahu better figure out real quickly that he's losing the support of his one big ally and, once that support is gone, the state of Israel will be a sitting duck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 The US can refuse to continue to send weapons to Israel without supposedly running afoul of any promises to help Israel 'defend itself'. It's actually in the law - the US can refuse to help an Ally if said Ally is deliberately obstructing the delivery of humanitarian aide to an area in need. The continued constricting and obstruction of humanitarian aide to Palestinians meets that clause. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 5 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: The US can refuse to continue to send weapons to Israel without supposedly running afoul of any promises to help Israel 'defend itself'. It's actually in the law - the US can refuse to help an Ally if said Ally is deliberately obstructing the delivery of humanitarian aide to an area in need. The continued constricting and obstruction of humanitarian aide to Palestinians meets that clause. The law being what it is, the US won't stop sending weapons unless it becomes untenable because its contending with a dissident GOP that will use any opportunity to portray a change in policy as a retreat by Biden and his administration. That being said, this refusal to veto the Security Council resolution is apparently enough to drive the point home to Netanyahu. That being said, I find his insistence on cudgeling the Biden government with statements like this and overt acts like meeting Republicans behind the president's back as insubordination. We should not be in the business of dictating anything to a foreign government, but we are in that business because of the weapons we deliver to them. The simplest response to him canceling the delegation is to withhold the next shipment until Netanyahu comes back into compliance with our requests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 9 minutes ago, scoobdog said: The law being what it is, the US won't stop sending weapons unless it becomes untenable because its contending with a dissident GOP that will use any opportunity to portray a change in policy as a retreat by Biden and his administration. That being said, this refusal to veto the Security Council resolution is apparently enough to drive the point home to Netanyahu. That being said, I find his insistence on cudgeling the Biden government with statements like this and overt acts like meeting Republicans behind the president's back as insubordination. We should not be in the business of dictating anything to a foreign government, but we are in that business because of the weapons we deliver to them. The simplest response to him canceling the delegation is to withhold the next shipment until Netanyahu comes back into compliance with our requests. Trumplicans need to keep that fundi-evangelical vote happy along with the 'me-strong-blow-em-up' factions. Turning the entire middle east into a smoking hole in the ground does that for both sides - fundies think Jesus will fly down and give them all mansions if there's enough of a sacrifice and Michael Bay fetishists just want big explosions. And yes, withholding the next shipment should occur. Those shipping spaces would be better off filled with food, blankets, and medicines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, scoobdog said: Such reports are unfathomable if true. We frequently (and sometimes rightly) get criticized for our military activities overseas; it comes with being in unstable "powder-keg" situations on a repeated basis. Nonetheless, the idea of American soldiers, sailors and Marines running roughshod over civilians is inconceivable given their level of training and the professional standards they're held to. It's entirely possible that the reports are distorting the situation to an extent, but even rouge IDF soldiers engaging in abusive behavior is completely inexcusable and the fact that the reports are even appearing at all is a testament to how the IDF and the Israeli government has completely lost control of the situation. Netanyahu better figure out real quickly that he's losing the support of his one big ally and, once that support is gone, the state of Israel will be a sitting duck. well....that particular report was false...or....exaggerated, as the victim stated. in other news shots fired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 54 minutes ago, discolé monade said: well....that particular report was false...or....exaggerated, as the victim stated. in other news shots fired? Well, antisemitism can infiltrate any discussion, even ones as serious as war crimes. Nonetheless, there wouldn’t be room for these claims if Israel fought a competent and principled war. They didn’t need to flatten entire neighborhoods and blast tens of thousands of civilians to oblivion to achieve a targeted attack on a terrorist group. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 Thats a good get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scoobdog Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Pursuing and dismantling Hamas is not achieved through razing Gaza. In fact, bombing indiscriminately does precisely the opposite. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: ^Has not responded a single time to the many reports of the IDF raping and murdering civilians. Almost as if you only acknowledge atrocities when it's convenient.... Like someone who, how do I put this? Doesn't care. You don't actually care, so quit pretending. It's little more than a nuisance to anyone with even a speck of sincerity. Your incessant fart-huffing does little more than reduce the credibility of anything you post. You don't get to claim the IDF has been flawless in its response, only to ignore when they do the same shit as literal terrorists. Is rape, torture, and indiscriminate massacre the perfect solution to rape, torture, and indiscriminate massacre? Is starvation tactics used on civilians? Evacuations with timeframes physically impossible and into areas that will then be bombed? Things considered war crimes by most of the world? I'm looking forward to you disingenuously cherrypicking the least important piece of this post humanly possible to sling a cheap, mindnumbingly stupid gotcha back. I hope it matches the dumbassery you displayed when you invoked the holocaust to label all opposition Israel's openly genocidal regime as antisemitic at me.... a jew. I'll settle for second dumbest, I know that one's gonna be hard to beat, but I believe in you! Edited March 27 by naraku360 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Now that this is out in the open, we can sit back and wait for the Congressman calling to nuke Gaza to be appropriately punished. Spoiler 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-02-2024-9bdf66771b62af37d85a2800f71c0e6c @Master-Debater131: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 MD doesn't have an issue with Israel starving them. This is the next logical step of "Israel just doing what they have to do." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 Unfortunate, and Israel has apologized for the strike. Bad shit happens in war, thats the nature of things. It also is a reminder of why Israel absolutely needs to finish this war once and for all. None of this, literally none of it, would be happening if it wasn't for Hamas breaking the ceasefire and kidnapping, torturing, raping, and murdering more than 1,200 people on October 7th. As long as Hamas is allowed to continue to exist events like this are going to continue to happen. All of this could end tomorrow if Hamas were to surrender and release the remaining hostages. But they wont. They want this carnage because of the predictable responses by the useful idiots in the West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 Israel Blamed for Attack Killing Iranian General in Damascus https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/syria-iran-blame-israel-for-attack-killing-iranian-general-in-damascus/ar-BB1kTqj5 "Syria and Iran accused Israel of a missile attack on an Iranian diplomatic building in Damascus that killed a senior Iranian general, in a potential escalation of a shadow war between Israel and Iran that has intensified during the war in Gaza. Iranian state media said the attack on Monday killed a senior leader in the elite Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which oversees Tehran’s network of militia allies throughout the region. The commander, Gen. Mohammad Reza Zahedi, managed Iranian paramilitary operations in Syria and Lebanon, according to Iranian state media and U.S. officials. The Revolutionary Guard said that seven of its members were killed, including senior military advisers in Syria. The strike also killed diplomatic staff, Iran’s ambassador to Syria told reporters." This is an absolutely massive get by Israel. They took out one of the highest ranking IRGC members, and the man in charge of Iran-Hezbollah relations and coordination. And not just him, but a handful of his closest aids as well. Thats a huge decapitation strike. A key point as well "“This is Israel telling the Iranians: Your forward-defense strategy isn’t going to work anymore,” said Randa Slim, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute in Washington. “Israel is saying to them, we are in a new realm and we are going to hit you wherever and whenever we can.”" That cant be understated. Iran has operated largely without consequence for a long time now. Israel is saying that isnt an option anymore. If they are going to fight a shadow war against Israel, then Israel is going to fight an open war against those targets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 "Israel's war crimes are Hamas' fault!" 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: Israel Blamed for Attack Killing Iranian General in Damascus https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/syria-iran-blame-israel-for-attack-killing-iranian-general-in-damascus/ar-BB1kTqj5 "Syria and Iran accused Israel of a missile attack on an Iranian diplomatic building in Damascus that killed a senior Iranian general, in a potential escalation of a shadow war between Israel and Iran that has intensified during the war in Gaza. Iranian state media said the attack on Monday killed a senior leader in the elite Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which oversees Tehran’s network of militia allies throughout the region. The commander, Gen. Mohammad Reza Zahedi, managed Iranian paramilitary operations in Syria and Lebanon, according to Iranian state media and U.S. officials. The Revolutionary Guard said that seven of its members were killed, including senior military advisers in Syria. The strike also killed diplomatic staff, Iran’s ambassador to Syria told reporters." This is an absolutely massive get by Israel. They took out one of the highest ranking IRGC members, and the man in charge of Iran-Hezbollah relations and coordination. And not just him, but a handful of his closest aids as well. Thats a huge decapitation strike. A key point as well "“This is Israel telling the Iranians: Your forward-defense strategy isn’t going to work anymore,” said Randa Slim, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute in Washington. “Israel is saying to them, we are in a new realm and we are going to hit you wherever and whenever we can.”" That cant be understated. Iran has operated largely without consequence for a long time now. Israel is saying that isnt an option anymore. If they are going to fight a shadow war against Israel, then Israel is going to fight an open war against those targets. did you serve in the military? seems to me, you must have been at least captain with promotion to major in the works. army? it's usually you soldier boys that salivate over shite like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Unfortunate, and Israel has apologized for the strike. Bad shit happens in war, thats the nature of things. It also is a reminder of why Israel absolutely needs to finish this war once and for all. No, it's not unfortunate. Striking a clearly marked and previously announced humanitarian aid convoy, even by accident, is a war crime. It falls under reckless intent at the very least. However, it appears things are worse than that: analysts are suggesting they were precision strikes on the convoy. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Unfortunate, and Israel has apologized for the strike. Bad shit happens in war, thats the nature of things. It also is a reminder of why Israel absolutely needs to finish this war once and for all. None of this, literally none of it, would be happening if it wasn't for Hamas breaking the ceasefire and kidnapping, torturing, raping, and murdering more than 1,200 people on October 7th. As long as Hamas is allowed to continue to exist events like this are going to continue to happen. All of this could end tomorrow if Hamas were to surrender and release the remaining hostages. But they wont. They want this carnage because of the predictable responses by the useful idiots in the West. I unironically considered a follow up meme to suggest you would sidestep my guesses with a deflection to Hamas. You did surprise me a little, though. 7 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Israel Blamed for Attack Killing Iranian General in Damascus https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/syria-iran-blame-israel-for-attack-killing-iranian-general-in-damascus/ar-BB1kTqj5 "Syria and Iran accused Israel of a missile attack on an Iranian diplomatic building in Damascus that killed a senior Iranian general, in a potential escalation of a shadow war between Israel and Iran that has intensified during the war in Gaza. Iranian state media said the attack on Monday killed a senior leader in the elite Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which oversees Tehran’s network of militia allies throughout the region. The commander, Gen. Mohammad Reza Zahedi, managed Iranian paramilitary operations in Syria and Lebanon, according to Iranian state media and U.S. officials. The Revolutionary Guard said that seven of its members were killed, including senior military advisers in Syria. The strike also killed diplomatic staff, Iran’s ambassador to Syria told reporters." This is an absolutely massive get by Israel. They took out one of the highest ranking IRGC members, and the man in charge of Iran-Hezbollah relations and coordination. And not just him, but a handful of his closest aids as well. Thats a huge decapitation strike. A key point as well "“This is Israel telling the Iranians: Your forward-defense strategy isn’t going to work anymore,” said Randa Slim, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute in Washington. “Israel is saying to them, we are in a new realm and we are going to hit you wherever and whenever we can.”" That cant be understated. Iran has operated largely without consequence for a long time now. Israel is saying that isnt an option anymore. If they are going to fight a shadow war against Israel, then Israel is going to fight an open war against those targets. Didn't expect the double down of Hamas deflection straight back into Israel ass-kissing. I mean, there are like 4 settings: 1. Step on me, Netanyahu 2. Don't look at that war crime Israel committed, look at this other thing 3. It's Hamas' fault Israel is targeting innocent people [just like when daddy hit mommy because a stranger slapped her booty, so really, did she even leave him a choice?] 4. Some variation in there, of course. Like Israel/Netanyahu/IDF are basically interchangeable, much like Hamas and Palestinian. Anyway, my bet was between completely ignoring it or deflecting (as opposed to a puff piece out of spite). Still, I wasn't thinking over the top enough. I didn't consider the obvious..... Israel/Netanyahu taint inhaling, blaming victims, and deflecting to Hamas? At the same time? Honestly, I absolutely should've expected it. It's just most people aren't so shameless and would probably just slink away and wait for anything that can be twisted into a W. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Any country that has the proven ability to shoot missiles out of the air without fail can not turn around and claim that they accidentally blew up anything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I have no clue what's happening. I found the weird side of IG and tiktokers are saying McDonald's funds the Israeli Government, by buying their.....I'm just confused and it's likely just tiks toking, but I'm trying to understand at 5am https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-07/ty-article/.premium/mcdonalds-israel-buyback-caving-to-boycott-or-business-sense/0000018e-b963-d712-a3df-f9eb591a0000 https://www.jpost.com/brandblend/article-796079 Are they being bought.....or, sold? How does either fund the war effort? I need smart people who understand this conflict, but I'll settle for you guys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, André Toulon said: I'm just confused and it's likely just tiks toking, but I'm trying to understand at 5am Freudian slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 6 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Freudian slip? No, I didn't add a C because tiktok doesn't have a C. But shame on you if you are implying I didn't notice the implications. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 11 minutes ago, André Toulon said: No, I didn't add a C because tiktok doesn't have a C. But shame on you if you are implying I didn't notice the implications. I would have spelled it "tik tokking." Like spit / spitting vs spite / spiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 53 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I would have spelled it "tik tokking." Like spit / spitting vs spite / spiting. Well next time you be confused by the headlines...tf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 Hamas tells negotiators it doesn’t have 40 Israeli hostages needed for first round of ceasefire https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/middleeast/hamas-israel-hostages-ceasefire-talks-intl/index.html "Hamas has indicated it is currently unable to identify and track down 40 Israeli hostages needed for the first phase of a ceasefire deal, according to an Israeli official and a source familiar with the discussions, raising fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known. The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons. Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt - it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said. CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria." Hamas continues to refuse to accept any sort of ceasefire, and this is likely a major reason why. They simply don't have any hostilities left alive. The sad, and gruesome, reality is that Hamas tortured and/or raped every hostage they had and now there are likely none left alive. The thought of returning the hostages is the only thing that has kept Israel from simply bombing the last remaining locations where Hamas leadership is hiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 4 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Hamas tells negotiators it doesn’t have 40 Israeli hostages needed for first round of ceasefire https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/middleeast/hamas-israel-hostages-ceasefire-talks-intl/index.html "Hamas has indicated it is currently unable to identify and track down 40 Israeli hostages needed for the first phase of a ceasefire deal, according to an Israeli official and a source familiar with the discussions, raising fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known. The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons. Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt - it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said. CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria." Hamas continues to refuse to accept any sort of ceasefire, and this is likely a major reason why. They simply don't have any hostilities left alive. The sad, and gruesome, reality is that Hamas tortured and/or raped every hostage they had and now there are likely none left alive. The thought of returning the hostages is the only thing that has kept Israel from simply bombing the last remaining locations where Hamas leadership is hiding. I guess that's what happens when you bomb indiscriminately and kill hostages. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 17 minutes ago, scoobdog said: I guess that's what happens when you bomb indiscriminately and kill hostages. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/10/2024 at 2:23 PM, scoobdog said: I guess that's what happens when you bomb indiscriminately and kill hostages. C’mon Israel has killed hostages but you know Hamas killed most of these people a loooong time ago. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 3 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: C’mon Israel has killed hostages but you know Hamas killed most of these people a loooong time ago. I know they did, and it's utterly unforgivable that we have to address the ineptitude of Netanyahu's government and the IDF rather than talk about the atrocities committed by Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 13 minutes ago, scoobdog said: I know they did, and it's utterly unforgivable that we have to address the ineptitude of Netanyahu's government and the IDF rather than talk about the atrocities committed by Hamas. We don’t though our government and the Israeli government, sure, but not us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said: We don’t though our government and the Israeli government, sure, but not us. We don't, or at least, we shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Iran launched a drone attack at Israel. Insert "I'm shocked!" gif here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 The drone attack could take up to 9 hours to actually get to its targets. Lots of questions if this is it, or if Iran will also launch missiles at Israel to hit at the same time as the drones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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