Life in the Hermit Kingdom of N. Korea, OR IS IT?

[discolé monade]

On 5/19/2023 at 1:50 PM, scoobdog said:

How?

 

[1pooh4u]

2 hours ago, discolé monade said:

 

Omfg N Korea sounds absolutely horrible. “Internal travel is prohibited in N Korea without permission. So most N Koreans never see Pyongyang or its cyber cafes” holy fuckin shit. Pyongyang is their capital city and only the elite few ever see it.  You can’t even travel within the country. That’s fuckin nuts. 

[André Toulon]

5 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Omfg N Korea sounds absolutely horrible. “Internal travel is prohibited in N Korea without permission. So most N Koreans never see Pyongyang or its cyber cafes” holy fuckin shit. Pyongyang is their capital city and only the elite few ever see it.  You can’t even travel within the country. That’s fuckin nuts. 

I'm very iffy about the shit I see about NK because I've seen their propoganda against us, and considering we believe everything we see on the internet, I have no doubt we're not being fed a full spoon of truth.

I know the American ego makes us believe "our government could never lie to us to control our narrative of other nations" buuuuuuut.....

[1pooh4u]

16 hours ago, André Toulon said:

I'm very iffy about the shit I see about NK because I've seen their propoganda against us, and considering we believe everything we see on the internet, I have no doubt we're not being fed a full spoon of truth.

I know the American ego makes us believe "our government could never lie to us to control our narrative of other nations" buuuuuuut.....

I definitely believe they don’t have Internet as we know it and travel to at least Pyongyang is restricted.   Photos from space show N Korea mostly dark 

[1pooh4u]

https://www.timetravelturtle.com/life-in-north-korea/

[katt_goddess]

Any place that has people fleeing from that are found to have 3 foot tapeworms in their bodies is not a good place to live. Most normal people don't live in conditions where intestinal parasites get big enough to vote. 

[André Toulon]

5 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

I definitely believe they don’t have Internet as we know it and travel to at least Pyongyang is restricted.   Photos from space show N Korea mostly dark 

Oh, I don't "doubt" the shit...Just that i think some of it may be a bit...hyperbolic.

[1pooh4u]

9 hours ago, André Toulon said:

Oh, I don't "doubt" the shit...Just that i think some of it may be a bit...hyperbolic.

Yeah it’s possible. Defectors describe Kim Jong Un as paranoid so anything is possible.  I believe when American celebrities or athletes foolishly go there, the government cleans shit up and heavily restricts where they go so that they believe all we hear is hyperbole 

[1pooh4u]

Australia guide for Australians traveling to N Korea

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/asia/north-korea-democratic-peoples-republic-korea#:~:text=North Korea has strict laws,that breach North Korean law.

 

[discolé monade]

when i was stationed at tustin, we used to frequent the hill, and n.beach. rodman had a place down there, and cops were there on a weekly. his place was down from the main area (bars) of the beach, and you could see lights

just about every weekend, and the following week, he'd be in the local papers/news.

 

tl:dr - rodman seems the type to love this life, kim jong un, has shown him. 

....and yet....   

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un requested access to "famous basketball players" as part of a nuke deal with the US, ABC News reported.

of course rodman and un got waaaaay back. 

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

when i was stationed at tustin, we used to frequent the hill, and n.beach. rodman had a place down there, and cops were there on a weekly. his place was down from the main area (bars) of the beach, and you could see lights

just about every weekend, and the following week, he'd be in the local papers/news.

 

tl:dr - rodman seems the type to love this life, kim jong un, has shown him. 

....and yet....   

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un requested access to "famous basketball players" as part of a nuke deal with the US, ABC News reported.

of course rodman and un got waaaaay back. 

Idkh but the link you posted takes me to the Montana thread 😆

[1pooh4u]

4 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

when i was stationed at tustin, we used to frequent the hill, and n.beach. rodman had a place down there, and cops were there on a weekly. his place was down from the main area (bars) of the beach, and you could see lights

just about every weekend, and the following week, he'd be in the local papers/news.

 

tl:dr - rodman seems the type to love this life, kim jong un, has shown him. 

....and yet....   

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un requested access to "famous basketball players" as part of a nuke deal with the US, ABC News reported.

of course rodman and un got waaaaay back. 

You think Rodman doesn’t gaf cuz if he lived in N Korea he’d be able to do pretty much wtf he wants until Kim Jong Un got too paranoid or sick of him. 

[discolé monade]

i have no fucking idea what happened. i'm serious. must have been the same thing that happened when a post ended up in nabs somehow. 

ANY fucking way....

https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-un-demanded-to-hang-with-basketball-stars-for-nuke-deal-2019-5

[1pooh4u]

49 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

i have no fucking idea what happened. i'm serious. must have been the same thing that happened when a post ended up in nabs somehow. 

ANY fucking way....

https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-un-demanded-to-hang-with-basketball-stars-for-nuke-deal-2019-5

The article is fuckin bananas. Talkin about “I won’t create and test weapons of mass destruction IF I get to meet hall of fame bball players. 
 

that’s a little nuts, no? 

[1pooh4u]

[Distortedreasoning]

On 5/19/2023 at 11:03 PM, André Toulon said:

I'm very iffy about the shit I see about NK because I've seen their propoganda against us, and considering we believe everything we see on the internet, I have no doubt we're not being fed a full spoon of truth.

I know the American ego makes us believe "our government could never lie to us to control our narrative of other nations" buuuuuuut.....

you say it as if we arent the most propagadized nation. 

 

how may times did we see a story about paranoid kim, killing one of his top officials, only for weeks later that person to be ok? the u.s propaganda is easy to spot.

 

facts about dprk, they were occupied by authoritarian japan and endured terrible atrocities from the early 20th century till japanse surrender. 

u.s declares war on them only a few years later after the 50s and after their socialist revolution. 

korea is split in two, with the communist side beating the u.s into a cease fire. so we still at war with them. u.s still occupies their southern brothers. 

today, the u.s and s. korea still engage in war drills that are specifically targeted at overthrowing the government. not to mention that we have also imposed harsh sanctions on them. 

 

how about the u.s ends the war and get out of korea entirely? 

 

 

 

[André Toulon]

1 hour ago, Distortedreasoning said:

you say it as if we arent the most propagadized nation. 

 

how may times did we see a story about paranoid kim, killing one of his top officials, only for weeks later that person to be ok? the u.s propaganda is easy to spot.

 

facts about dprk, they were occupied by authoritarian japan and endured terrible atrocities from the early 20th century till japanse surrender. 

u.s declares war on them only a few years later after the 50s and after their socialist revolution. 

korea is split in two, with the communist side beating the u.s into a cease fire. so we still at war with them. u.s still occupies their southern brothers. 

today, the u.s and s. korea still engage in war drills that are specifically targeted at overthrowing the government. not to mention that we have also imposed harsh sanctions on them. 

 

how about the u.s ends the war and get out of korea entirely? 

 

 

 

No...no I don't say that like that. If you read my post and stop with your "I hate it here" bullshit, you'd see my stance is exactly that America sells us bullshit....but whatever, keep up the good fight, I guess.

[1pooh4u]

I think the restrictive laws we read about are legit BUT I also believe that the average N Korean probably gets around these restrictions most of the time.  There is a DMZ between the two countries of N and S Korea where they travel to work probably mostly N Koreans going to work in S Korean factories. I have no doubt we get fed bullshit but I think the bs we are fed has more to with what weapons KJU is close to making rather than depictions of everyday life in NK

[1pooh4u]

13 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

you say it as if we arent the most propagadized nation. 

 

how may times did we see a story about paranoid kim, killing one of his top officials, only for weeks later that person to be ok? the u.s propaganda is easy to spot.

 

facts about dprk, they were occupied by authoritarian japan and endured terrible atrocities from the early 20th century till japanse surrender. 

u.s declares war on them only a few years later after the 50s and after their socialist revolution. 

korea is split in two, with the communist side beating the u.s into a cease fire. so we still at war with them. u.s still occupies their southern brothers. 

today, the u.s and s. korea still engage in war drills that are specifically targeted at overthrowing the government. not to mention that we have also imposed harsh sanctions on them. 

 

how about the u.s ends the war and get out of korea entirely? 

 

 

 

Was the false reports of him killing people propaganda or bad intel. Kinda like when we get reports that KJU or Putin is sick or dying and it turns out to be bullshit?  Idt things like that are propaganda so much as just bad intel. 
 

as for the rest of your post idk all of Korea would be under a dictatorship had the US not intervened.  Are you saying the US should just leave and allow whatever is going to happen to just happen?  Let Kim Jong Un take the entire country?  

[ghostrek]

Yeah they have limited access to the internet definitely and it is what the one users here says narrative control or AKA propaganda but it is a sad fact that that nation controls the narrative and the opinions of the whole country almost next to the elites

[1pooh4u]

N Korea seems like a great place to live if you’re related to KJU, or work for him, or the government 

[scoobdog]

22 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

N Korea seems like a great place to live if you’re related to KJU, or work for him, or the government 

...but not so much when he doesn't like you anymore.

[1pooh4u]

1 minute ago, scoobdog said:

...but not so much when he doesn't like you anymore.

I was || close to saying the same exact thing, but Distorted already called that propaganda, so I didn’t bother. Although afaik he has a sibling or siblings living in exile and even then you’ll hear stories about the relative living it up somewhere. Not seeming worried in the slightest 😬😆

[katt_goddess]

56 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

...but not so much when he doesn't like you anymore.

Well, if you want to leave your job with a real bang, there's no better boss. 

Putin is more of a splat.

Princess Tinyhands will mean tweet you from his private social media bunker. 

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

I was || close to saying the same exact thing, but Distorted already called that propaganda, so I didn’t bother. Although afaik he has a sibling or siblings living in exile and even then you’ll hear stories about the relative living it up somewhere. Not seeming worried in the slightest 😬😆

I believe he murdered an older brother in Malaysia.  And he shot up an uncle with an anti-aircraft gun.  The latter is unsubstantiated rumor, but the former was reported directly from the Malaysian government, who I would presume has no particular interest in participating in WESTERN (echo) IMPERIALISM (echo).

[1pooh4u]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

I believe he murdered an older brother in Malaysia.  And he shot up an uncle with an anti-aircraft gun.  The latter is unsubstantiated rumor, but the former was reported directly from the Malaysian government, who I would presume has no particular interest in participating in WESTERN (echo) IMPERIALISM (echo).

I think he also has a sister that is reported to be more ruthless than he is 

[scoobdog]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

I think he also has a sister that is reported to be more ruthless than he is 

Yeah she’s his henchwoman.  Or possibly is murdering him slowly.  I dunno.   She acted like a girl boss at the Beijing Olympics.

[discolé monade]

i don't remember the u.s. declaring war. i recall history class, and that truman placed air/sea/land support to s.korea, therefore, entering a 'conflict', which it, is axchtulley known as. 

 

[discolé monade]

7 hours ago, ghostrek said:

Yeah they have limited access to the internet definitely and it is what the one users here says narrative control or AKA propaganda but it is a sad fact that that nation controls the narrative and the opinions of the whole country almost next to the elites

[naraku360]

20 hours ago, André Toulon said:

No...no I don't say that like that. If you read my post and stop with your "I hate it here" bullshit, you'd see my stance is exactly that America sells us bullshit....but whatever, keep up the good fight, I guess.

Dude literally tried to claim North Korea and China were not run by dictatorships at one point. Pretty sure he still believes that.

Edited May 23, 2023 by naraku360

[Distortedreasoning]

9 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Was the false reports of him killing people propaganda or bad intel. Kinda like when we get reports that KJU or Putin is sick or dying and it turns out to be bullshit?  Idt things like that are propaganda so much as just bad intel. 
 

as for the rest of your post idk all of Korea would be under a dictatorship had the US not intervened.  Are you saying the US should just leave and allow whatever is going to happen to just happen?  Let Kim Jong Un take the entire country?  

bad intel is one thing, but we are bombarded with false narratives that make people think a certain way about these leaders or countries. its done on purpose to get people on board with the "that person/country is bad" narrative so it makes it easier for citizens to follow along with the nations agenda. war.

 

we had no business interfering in korea back then, and still have no business now. anti communist hysteria was the only reason we ever went in. anyone saying we went in to preserve democracy is full of it. we dont even care about our people here. now you telling me we care about other people somewhere far away? yes we need to leave. now. there can be peace mediators like china to get both sides to agree not to fight. and yes, china has brokered peace in the middle east so they are very capable. 

 

 

[Distortedreasoning]

22 hours ago, André Toulon said:

No...no I don't say that like that. If you read my post and stop with your "I hate it here" bullshit, you'd see my stance is exactly that America sells us bullshit....but whatever, keep up the good fight, I guess.

what bullshit if we are the ones starting shit all over the world? 

[André Toulon]

4 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

what bullshit if we are the ones starting shit all over the world? 

We may stick our noses into shit, but I'm not standing on that notion that NATO and America forced Putin to invade Ukraine.

[1pooh4u]

@Distortedreasoning you should try to travel to N. Korea. Let us know how that works out 

 

[Raptorpat]

12 hours ago, discolé monade said:

i don't remember the u.s. declaring war. i recall history class, and that truman placed air/sea/land support to s.korea, therefore, entering a 'conflict', which it, is axchtulley known as. 

We never did. After WWII, control of Korea was divided similar to Germany. NK invaded SK and the UN authorized an international force led by MacArthur to push NK back.

The UN resolution wasn't vetoed because the USSR was boycotting and China's security council seat was still held by Taiwan.

The peacekeeping force also arguably overstepped it's bounds, by nearly reunifying the peninsula (rather than simply reestablishing the border), and so then China jumped in and the conflict stalemated practically where it started.

[1pooh4u]

All I know about the Koreans War I learned from my Dad making us watch MASH 

 

[scoobdog]

33 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

We never did. After WWII, control of Korea was divided similar to Germany. NK invaded SK and the UN authorized an international force led by MacArthur to push NK back.

The UN resolution wasn't vetoed because the USSR was boycotting and China's security council seat was still held by Taiwan.

The peacekeeping force also arguably overstepped it's bounds, by nearly reunifying the peninsula (rather than simply reestablishing the border), and so then China jumped in and the conflict stalemated practically where it started.

Unfortunately, there are far too many parallels between Kim Il Sung's incursion below the 38th Parallel and Putin's incursion into Ukraine, not the least of which is a the astronomical loss of life for a comparatively minor shift in the border.

[1pooh4u]

Just gathering info for Distorted’s trip to N. Korea 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/KoreaDemocraticPeoplesRepublicof.html#:~:text=Tourism%3A Individuals cannot use a,activities at their own risk.

Travel to N Korea is surprisingly easy so long as you don’t have a US passport 🙄

https://koryogroup.com/dprk-north-korea/faqs

Perhaps the travel ban was lifted doesn’t look like you need a visa if you stay less than 90 days 

https://kr.usembassy.gov/033123-message-for-u-s-citizens-k-eta-not-required-to-enter-korea-from-april-1-2023-to-dec-31-2024/#:~:text=The government of the Republic,less for business or tourism.

Sounds like a fun time 

[1pooh4u]

N Korea is very colorful.  I thought it would be more crowded  

fuck it I’d go. Probably get thrown in a n Korean prison  for smoking 🫠

 

[[classic swim]]

The Munsu Water Park is a must.

[Raptorpat]

9 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

lol that giant hotel is a completely empty concrete hellscape on the inside

[1pooh4u]

2 minutes ago, [classic swim] said:

The Munsu Water Park is a must.

It looks kinda empty and dreary 😬

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

lol that giant hotel is a completely empty concrete hellscape on the inside

Sounds very warm and inviting 

[1pooh4u]

Besides I like my water parks super deadly like Action Park. 

[[classic swim]]

Government officials might put holes in you for peeing in the pool.

I dunno. A coworker showed me that shit years ago and said only the wealthy freeload there.

[Raptorpat]

17 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Sounds very warm and inviting 

[PhilosipherStoned]

I've seen plenty of hilarious propaganda videos featuring NK, but the good ones are surprisingly hard to find when I'm looking for them. Maybe because I'm not using TOR lol. I guess I'll use this video as my contribution since I once watched a hilarious video promoting this airport at the nations capitol. This guy flies into NK for...Whatever reason.

 

[1pooh4u]

11 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

You sure that’s not a parking garage? 
😬😆😬

[Raptorpat]

NK has cars?

[1pooh4u]

44 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

NK has cars?

Of course they do. Don’t be silly