2024 Presidential Elections: the schadenfreude commences

[CountFrylock]

Ted Cruz is smart according to Texas voters and trans people are evil 

[naraku360]

1 minute ago, Distortedreasoning said:

wrong.

i want to talk about the results and what they mean. why was the country not motivated enough to vote for kamala to defeat the boogie man. i did took a shot at kamala but so what? im not attacking any one of you but all taking it as im shitting on you guys personally. your not dems, then why the over defensive and hostile attacks when im going after the loser? 

 

 

Because Trump is going to cause notably more harm to just about all of us than Harris would.

You're deliberately being a nuisance.

[Distortedreasoning]

6 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

That is not what the majority of the country said, unless you're insinuating women in general are shit candidates.  Is that what you're saying?

its the majority of those that put the effort this time to participate in said elections.

and no, i have voted for a woman candidate twice in the past 3 elections. 

[Insipid]

6 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

wrong.

i want to talk about the results and what they mean. why was the country not motivated enough to vote for kamala to defeat the boogie man. i did took a shot at kamala but so what? im not attacking any one of you but all taking it as im shitting on you guys personally. your not dems, then why the over defensive and hostile attacks when im going after the loser? 

 

 

I hope this shows you what the results mean.

https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1854607558734233783

Edited November 7 by Insipid

[André Toulon]

6 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

wrong.

i want to talk about the results and what they mean. why was the country not motivated enough to vote for kamala to defeat the boogie man. i did took a shot at kamala but so what? im not attacking any one of you but all taking it as im shitting on you guys personally. your not dems, then why the over defensive and hostile attacks when im going after the loser? 

 

 

I don't have to be a Dem to be offended when someone who hasn't posted in weeks shows up just to shit on my decision. 

And you took a shot at Kamala, then you responded to every other post with cope harder and you goody emojis. It's just looks spineless and unnecessary. 

I can sit her and criticize Stein but what purpose would that serve.... wouldn't make me feel better about Trump making it instead of her, but you seem to be thrilled with the outcome when it could ...

Know what, I'm wasting words and I actually have something to do rn. I can have a circular argument with you when I get home since you appatarent leaving just yet

[Distortedreasoning]

Just now, naraku360 said:

Because Trump is going to cause notably more harm to just about all of us than Harris would.

You're deliberately being a nuisance.

there is no evidence to support that a trump presidency is gonna cause more harm than a harris one would have. 

we got records of a trump presidency to look at, and we can use biden as an indicator for harris. agree? 

 

trump presidency ended during a middle of a global public health crisis which he fumbled and cost him re-election

biden presidency ended with two wars both which the US did nothing to try stop from escalating and is continuing to support. and also record breaking inflation. cost of living is at its worse level. dont forget, abortion rights lost under the biden presidency. immigration both about the same, only trump is says more mean things about it. healthcare? still shitty. jobs? they keep revising the jobs report to try and make it look better but its bad. 

[matrixman124]

9 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

there is no evidence to support that a trump presidency is gonna cause more harm than a harris one would have. 

we got records of a trump presidency to look at, and we can use biden as an indicator for harris. agree? 

 

trump presidency ended during a middle of a global public health crisis which he fumbled and cost him re-election

biden presidency ended with two wars both which the US did nothing to try stop from escalating and is continuing to support. and also record breaking inflation. cost of living is at its worse level. dont forget, abortion rights lost under the biden presidency. immigration both about the same, only trump is says more mean things about it. healthcare? still shitty. jobs? they keep revising the jobs report to try and make it look better but its bad. 

If you want a litmus test, Trump assigned the judges that helped give conservatives the Supreme Court majority to remove federal protection for abortion. That really feels like a starting point...

[Distortedreasoning]

3 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

I don't have to be a Dem to be offended when someone who hasn't posted in weeks shows up just to shit on my decision. 

And you took a shot at Kamala, then you responded to every other post with cope harder and you goody emojis. It's just looks spineless and unnecessary. 

I can sit her and criticize Stein but what purpose would that serve.... wouldn't make me feel better about Trump making it instead of her, but you seem to be thrilled with the outcome when it could ...

Know what, I'm wasting words and I actually have something to do rn. I can have a circular argument with you when I get home since you appatarent leaving just yet

i've always been shitting on the dems. you keep voting for them, thats on you. 

i would welcome any criticism on stein, better to talk about them than keep silent at any apparent flaws. 

 

i saw the latino post and couldnt help respond to that. all the posting i been seeing everywhere about dem voters upset at us male latinos. what else can i do but laugh. people are emotional at these times. my bad if people got offended by that. 

[Jman]

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/medical-marijuana-was-on-the-ballot-in-over-100-kentucky-cities-and-counties-it-passed-in-every-single-place/

Legal weed was on the ballot in over 100 Kentucky cities and counties and passed every single one.  

I don't even smoke weed (or do any drugs really), but it's notable since legalized weed is often associated with progressive policies.

[SwimOdin]

12 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

there is no evidence to support that a trump presidency is gonna cause more harm than a harris one would have. 

we got records of a trump presidency to look at, and we can use biden as an indicator for harris. agree? 

 

trump presidency ended during a middle of a global public health crisis which he fumbled and cost him re-election

biden presidency ended with two wars both which the US did nothing to try stop from escalating and is continuing to support. and also record breaking inflation. cost of living is at its worse level. dont forget, abortion rights lost under the biden presidency. immigration both about the same, only trump is says more mean things about it. healthcare? still shitty. jobs? they keep revising the jobs report to try and make it look better but its bad. 

It’s cute that you want to tag Biden with abortion bans because he technically was the president when it happened. Unfortunately, you’re speaking to an informed audience.

i can’t and wouldn’t argue that there were problems and hardships economically during Biden’s run. Hell, I’ve had a very shitty year financially. How much can be blamed on Biden? I’m not smart enough to know.

 

 

HERES WHY ITS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES PRESIDENCY THIS TIME FOR TRUMP

 The last time he was president, he appointed actual serious people (mostly). Hell, Preibus was his first COS. There were some adults in the room who kept soooooo much of his buffoonery at bay. Trump has stated what a mistake he thinks that was. This time around? It’s all sycophants (AT BEST) and outright bad people at worst. Who is bad? The people who are going to cause harm to others for their own personal gain, without a second thought. Those are going to be the people surrounding him this time. I’m so glad he will have the niuclear codes! Oh and RFK jr.

Thats not even taking into account Project 2025.

But yeah he just kinda messed up Covid, everything will be fine!

[Distortedreasoning]

5 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

If you want a litmus test, Trump assigned the judges that helped give conservatives the Supreme Court majority to remove federal protection for abortion. That really feels like a starting point...

that should be more of an indictment on the system we live in more than anything. cant even guarantee basic rights like abortion. obama ran saying he would codify roe v. wade which he could have, and what did he say? not high on his priority. also i recall a certain progressive supreme court judge not retiring right before obama term was over. instead choosing to keep her position until she no longer could due to an illness. to which at that point trump was in office. 

[Jman]

4 minutes ago, SwimOdin said:

It’s cute that you want to tag Biden with abortion bans because he technically was the president when it happened. Unfortunately, you’re speaking to an informed audience.

i can’t and wouldn’t argue that there were problems and hardships economically during Biden’s run. Hell, I’ve had a very shitty year financially. How much can be blamed on Biden? I’m not smart enough to know.

 

 

HERES WHY ITS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES PRESIDENCY THIS TIME FOR TRUMP

 The last time he was president, he appointed actual serious people (mostly). Hell, Preibus was his first COS. There were some adults in the room who kept soooooo much of his buffoonery at bay. Trump has stated what a mistake he thinks that was. This time around? It’s all sycophants (AT BEST) and outright bad people at worst. Who is bad? The people who are going to cause harm to others for their own personal gain, without a second thought. Those are going to be the people surrounding him this time. I’m so glad he will have the niuclear codes! Oh and RFK jr.

Thats not even taking into account Project 2025.

But yeah he just kinda messed up Covid, everything will be fine!

That's of course if Vance isn't playing him like a damn fiddle.

"Oh no, oh no, the stress of the campaign has exacerbated a henceforth unknown condition!  Trump is pardoned but as per the 25th amendment is gone, and here's President Vance!"  It feels like that's their end goal, get Trump the freedom he wanted and use his cult to propel his side to victory, then let him leave gracefully and let the adults take over.  

 

[SwimOdin]

2 minutes ago, Jman said:

That's of course if Vance isn't playing him like a damn fiddle.

"Oh no, oh no, the stress of the campaign has exacerbated a henceforth unknown condition!  Trump is pardoned but as per the 25th amendment is gone, and here's President Vance!"  It feels like that's their end goal, get Trump the freedom he wanted and use his cult to propel his side to victory, then let him leave gracefully and let the adults take over.  

 

Oh believe me, I believe that will be happening too, but that feels more conspiratorial at the moment. Did we ever think that about Mike Pence?

[Jman]

1 minute ago, SwimOdin said:

Oh believe me, I believe that will be happening too, but that feels more conspiratorial at the moment. Did we ever think that about Mike Pence?

No, because Pence was an establishment Republican, Trump wasn't facing potential jailtime as well as growing signs of dementia, and he still had a relatively serious staff alongside him.  Here the situation feels more...transactional.  Use your populist cult to get us in, and we'll let you off the hook so you can retire peacefully and say you got one over on the libs. 

Edited November 7 by Jman

[Distortedreasoning]

5 minutes ago, SwimOdin said:

It’s cute that you want to tag Biden with abortion bans because he technically was the president when it happened. Unfortunately, you’re speaking to an informed audience.

i can’t and wouldn’t argue that there were problems and hardships economically during Biden’s run. Hell, I’ve had a very shitty year financially. How much can be blamed on Biden? I’m not smart enough to know.

 

 

HERES WHY ITS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES PRESIDENCY THIS TIME FOR TRUMP

 The last time he was president, he appointed actual serious people (mostly). Hell, Preibus was his first COS. There were some adults in the room who kept soooooo much of his buffoonery at bay. Trump has stated what a mistake he thinks that was. This time around? It’s all sycophants (AT BEST) and outright bad people at worst. Who is bad? The people who are going to cause harm to others for their own personal gain, without a second thought. Those are going to be the people surrounding him this time. I’m so glad he will have the niuclear codes! Oh and RFK jr.

Thats not even taking into account Project 2025.

But yeah he just kinda messed up Covid, everything will be fine!

 

i know it wont be apples to apples, was just using as a baseline to paint a picture. situation in the country and the world has changed a lot since then. bottom line, the country is in worse shape now than where we are now. that was under a democrat running the show. this is what harris needed to do. talk about the economy. how she's gonna make it all better. her campaign was the same as clinton's which was all based on her not being trump. it didn't work for them in 2016, 2020 was the FU to trump since more people showed up. 2024, harris failed to motivate people. the 3 elections has showed us you cant run on a candidate and say, he's hitler, and expect to win.

 

[scoobdog]

51 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

its the majority of those that put the effort this time to participate in said elections.

and no, i have voted for a woman candidate twice in the past 3 elections. 

I know who you voted for.  Why is Kamala a shit candidate when I can demonstrably use voting data to show that her gender is the only identifiable constant between her supporters and detractors?

[matrixman124]

38 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

that should be more of an indictment on the system we live in more than anything. cant even guarantee basic rights like abortion. obama ran saying he would codify roe v. wade which he could have, and what did he say? not high on his priority. also i recall a certain progressive supreme court judge not retiring right before obama term was over. instead choosing to keep her position until she no longer could due to an illness. to which at that point trump was in office. 

Biden and Obama and RBG deserve some blame. But Trump and his justices deserve the most blame. This false equivalence shit you're trying to establish is bullshit

[_lost_username_]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

Well he's a raging narcissist who demands being popular, and more importantly, big businesses that supported him will be screwed over by these tariffs, including car manufacturers, like Tesla.  Elon may talk a big game about suffering short term so we can build domestic infrastructure, but when push comes to shove, is he going to want to eat those massive import tariffs and see his profits shrink?

Oh, thought I’d add that Musk probably thinks that real life infrastructure works like Sim City or City Skylines. I guess he didn’t learn from whatever that tube debacle was in Las Vegas.

Can’t wait to hear him whining when his yes men aren’t there to protect him from being told his ideas are shit and that you can’t just make something happen.

[matrixman124]

48 minutes ago, Jman said:

That's of course if Vance isn't playing him like a damn fiddle.

"Oh no, oh no, the stress of the campaign has exacerbated a henceforth unknown condition!  Trump is pardoned but as per the 25th amendment is gone, and here's President Vance!"  It feels like that's their end goal, get Trump the freedom he wanted and use his cult to propel his side to victory, then let him leave gracefully and let the adults take over.  

 

It's not a very good plan considering how much of a soggy piece of moldy bread Vance is

[katt_goddess]

5 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

So what country will you move to or will you stand and fight the maga cult threatening to consume everything you care about?

I think there's still a small castle somewhere in Sweden that's part and parcel of the whole family thing. But I don't feel like being part of a monarchy. It sounds like it would seriously cut into my 'Naruto Shippuden' binge watching.

So I'll be looking for a Captain America costume from Wish and go from there. 

[Jman]

4 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

It's not a very good plan considering how much of a soggy piece of moldy bread Vance is

Why do you think he was attached to Trump?  They know they needed his cult of personality to win.  They also know he will die or become completely invalid soon.  Milk the cow one last time.

[scoobdog]

Just now, Jman said:

Why do you think he was attached to Trump?  They know they needed his cult of personality to win.  They also know he will die or become completely invalid soon.  Milk the cow one last time.

Because Vance is spineless.  He’s not pulling strings even if he’s not Trump’s puppet.

[matrixman124]

2 minutes ago, Jman said:

Why do you think he was attached to Trump?  They know they needed his cult of personality to win.  They also know he will die or become completely invalid soon.  Milk the cow one last time.

God Trump just needs to die

[Jman]

 

Democrat Andy Kim discusses his constituents in a Trump friendly district he nevertheless won.

 

He points out something else that will fuck over Vance, that Trump is still seen as an outsider while Vance is a career politician.

Edited November 7 by Jman

[Jman]

7 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

God Trump just needs to die

He will.  And people will celebrate when he does.  But I imagine he’ll be forced out of the White House before death takes him.

[Insipid]

4 minutes ago, Jman said:

He will.  And people will celebrate when he does.  But I imagine he’ll be forced out of the White House before death takes him.

He could be in a coma and they'd still let him be president. Nobody wants to dare defy their cult leader and face the ire of his followers.

[Jman]

Just now, Insipid said:

He could be in a coma and they'd still let him be president. Nobody wants to dare defy their cult leader and face the ire of his followers.

He can’t look like he was forced out.  He has to be allowed to ride off into the sunset with his W.  Do the whole Don’t Cry for me Argentina bit.  Because he won’t be around to be kingmaker, since he’s thoroughly disinterested in letting anyone else have the crown.

[katt_goddess]

I think that everyone is too optimistic that he'd just wander into the sunset on his own if promised a pardon from his VP. 

One of the many horrible 'firsts' he'll do is pardon himself of all the things to ensure that everyone thinks he's so great and powerful. 

And then he'll see how much other horrible shit he can executive twit at 3a because of that whole 'total immunity' debacle unless the 'No Kings Act' gets passed between now and January. Which is unlikely since they've defrosted McConnell to do the usual 'we aren't going to do a single thing that gives those dems an advantage!' shtick. 

[_lost_username_]

38 minutes ago, Jman said:

 

Democrat Andy Kim discusses his constituents in a Trump friendly district he nevertheless won.

 

He points out something else that will fuck over Vance, that Trump is still seen as an outsider while Vance is a career politician.

Weird since Vance has only been in politics for two years.

[tsar4]

One report said these are coming from foreign countries...

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/mycity/norfolk/racist-text-message-sent-virginia-attorney-general-condemns-plantation-cotton/291-3c46b3dd-930f-4496-86d8-529f3974f3bc

[matrixman124]

2 hours ago, Jman said:

 

Democrat Andy Kim discusses his constituents in a Trump friendly district he nevertheless won.

 

He points out something else that will fuck over Vance, that Trump is still seen as an outsider while Vance is a career politician.

I must be one of those rare people who voted in Kim and Harris

[matrixman124]

2 hours ago, _lost_username_ said:

Weird since Vance has only been in politics for two years.

If you reach your memory back, Vance was pretty deep into the liberal pundit-sphere. He was very much part of that post-2016 Never Trump landscape on Twitter.

The guy is a capital P Politician who ran for office just like the rest of them. Trump will always be seen as an outlier because he literally ran for president with zero political experience or offices held

[Belize]

Another thing I enjoy: how a bunch of people on social media are making super-confident pronouncements about the meaning of the election when it's obvious they have experienced like one other election in their entire adulthood. Young and dumb, in other words. 

Stuff is being said like, "whoa, did you know Democrats won like every swing Senate seat in 2006? That's crazy!" "Did you know all the polls said Obama was going to win the New Hampshire primary, but then Clinton did?!"

[matrixman124]

3 minutes ago, Belize said:

Another thing I enjoy: how a bunch of people on social media are making super-confident pronouncements about the meaning of the election when it's obvious they have experienced like one other election in their entire adulthood. Young and dumb, in other words. 

Stuff is being said like, "whoa, did you know Democrats won like every swing Senate seat in 2006? That's crazy!" "Did you know all the polls said Obama was going to win the New Hampshire primary, but then Clinton did?!"

COVID really fucked up Gen Z

[Belize]

Is this what it's like to be old?

I kind of hate it. 

[Top Gun]

3 hours ago, Jman said:

 

Democrat Andy Kim discusses his constituents in a Trump friendly district he nevertheless won.

 

He points out something else that will fuck over Vance, that Trump is still seen as an outsider while Vance is a career politician.

Does anyone know a thingy that lets you read entire Twitter threads without having an account? I'd like to take a look at this.

[Belize]

Evidence for the case of millennials being awesome. 

 

[Belize]

If anything, I am going left as I age. It's hard to explain why. I feel like I started out bipartisan and tolerant of all political ideologies, but then a moral sense was triggered. And I was like "you people on the right side of the spectrum are obviously evil; I'm getting away from you as fast as I can".

[Insipid]

Another thing interesting is the 180 degree change in attitude my Gen Z brother has about January 6. Just four years. The right wing propaganda is strong.

[matrixman124]

4 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Another thing interesting is the 180 degree change in attitude my Gen Z brother has about January 6. Just four years. The right wing propaganda is strong.

The machinery is strong. The media apparatus needs to be stopped. Enough is enough of this shit

[Belize]

6 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Another thing interesting is the 180 degree change in attitude my Gen Z brother has about January 6. Just four years. The right wing propaganda is strong.

Have you tried calling him a fool?

[discolé monade]

 

3 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

The machinery is strong. The media apparatus needs to be stopped. Enough is enough of this shit

Our history will be what we make it. And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now -- and there should be preserved the kinescopes of one week of all three networks -- they will there find, recorded in black and white and in color, evidence of decadence, escapism, and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. Edward R. Murrow

[Insipid]

5 minutes ago, Belize said:

Have you tried calling him a fool?

That's not gonna accomplish anything, you know.

[Belize]

@Insipid

 

I may relate to you because I have an estranged younger brother who is a Trump supporter. He's a violent idiot that his wife and mom are afraid of. I despise him. 

[Belize]

4 minutes ago, Insipid said:

That's not gonna accomplish anything, you know.

Well, I've concluded Trump voters are too far gone and can't be reasoned with. So I don't necessarily want to accomplish anything beyond telling the truth. 

[Jman]

19 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

The machinery is strong. The media apparatus needs to be stopped. Enough is enough of this shit

Legal accountability dismantling it would be a start.  Make it hurt to not tell an objective truth.  
 

Then they need their own to counter it.  Something that speaks to the working class man or woman.

[Belize]

12 minutes ago, Belize said:

@Insipid

 

I may relate to you because I have an estranged younger brother who is a Trump supporter. He's a violent idiot that his wife and mom are afraid of. I despise him. 

 

It's an interesting thing to observe. I don't believe he is violent and idiotic because of Trump. Rather his support of Trump is caused by him being those things. 

Which raises the disturbing question: are half of people just violent idiots? There was a time when I thought too well of people to think so, but not anymore. 

[Jman]

1 minute ago, Belize said:

 

It's an interesting thing to observe. I don't believe he is violent and idiotic because of Trump. Rather his support of Trump is caused by him being those things. 

Which raises the disturbing question: are half of people just violent idiots? There was a time when I thought too well of people to think so, but not anymore. 

The few Trump fans I know have me thinking the opposite.  Ignorant, easily manipulated, etc.  Rubes.

[matrixman124]

10 minutes ago, Belize said:

 

It's an interesting thing to observe. I don't believe he is violent and idiotic because of Trump. Rather his support of Trump is caused by him being those things. 

Which raises the disturbing question: are half of people just violent idiots? There was a time when I thought too well of people to think so, but not anymore. 

I think it's less idiocy and just susceptibility to manipulation

Propaganda is hard to deprogram once it gets its hooks in

*Gestures to QAnon*

[Insipid]

26 minutes ago, Belize said:

Well, I've concluded Trump voters are too far gone and can't be reasoned with. So I don't necessarily want to accomplish anything beyond telling the truth. 

I'm a little more patient, but not that hopeful overall.