My Hero Academia is pushed to 3:30

[CountFrylock]

at this point i think the outrage over The MHA Demotion is louder than any excitement for food wars

 

 

[Top Gun]

Man I wish someone paid me a lot of money to be this shitty at my job.

[Jman]

3 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

Man I wish someone paid me a lot of money to be this shitty at my job.

Insert government cabinet joke here. 😁

[PokeNirvash]

1 hour ago, CountFrylock said:

at this point i think the outrage over The MHA Demotion is louder than any excitement for food wars

I know and it's hilarious. 🤣

[CountFrylock]

people still mad at Funimation over the vic thing(as well as the DBZ Blu-rays and whatever the dragon maid incident is)need to get over themselves and realize if the rumors are true that funimation content's leaving toonami due to the hulu deal that isn't a good thing

 

people are like "Screw funimation!" should realize that if it wasn't for them we wouldn't be seeing as many english dubs as we do now and we'd be waiting and waiting and waiting for english dubs impatiently since the other studios don't pump out content as consistently as funimation does nor do they have the library that they do

 

 

[The1gairon]

3 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

at this point i think the outrage over The MHA Demotion is louder than any excitement for food wars

 

 

Bingo. that's the goal.

Because everyone on twitter is talking about Food Wars and ignoring this huge problem.

[The1gairon]

14 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

people still mad at Funimation over the vic thing(as well as the DBZ Blu-rays and whatever the dragon maid incident is)need to get over themselves and realize if the rumors are true that funimation content's leaving toonami due to the hulu deal that isn't a good thing

 

people are like "Screw funimation!" should realize that if it wasn't for them we wouldn't be seeing as many english dubs as we do now and we'd be waiting and waiting and waiting for english dubs impatiently since the other studios don't pump out content as consistently as funimation does nor do they have the library that they do

  

 

YOU! STOP COMING TO CONCLUSIONS! You been doing this a lot today.

[PokeNirvash]

Telling him to stop is only gonna make him do it more...

[Daos]

2 hours ago, Top Gun said:

Man I wish someone paid me a lot of money to be this shitty at my job.

Just start watching porn and jack off while you're at work. If you don't get caught you will be getting paid to be terrible. 

[CountFrylock]

1 hour ago, elfie said:

YOU! STOP COMING TO CONCLUSIONS! You been doing this a lot today.

How is it coming to a conclusions when we already know that Hulu gets first dibs on all new material from Funimation?

it's not like I'm Worrying about something that might not even happen

did we all forget this is why MHA was off limits for what seemed like ages(because Hulu had it locked down)?

Funimation isn't even mentioning toonami or promoting them as much as they used to on social media(Where as Viz Media Still does)

 

so unless Hulu decides they suddenly don't want to work with funimation anymore it's unlikely toonami's getting new content from funimation in the near future

 

 

Edited June 28, 2019 by CountFrylock

[The1gairon]

1 hour ago, Daos said:

Just start watching porn and jack off while you're at work. If you don't get caught you will be getting paid to be terrible. 

Just become a politician.

[Top Gun]

1 hour ago, Daos said:

Just start watching porn and jack off while you're at work. If you don't get caught you will be getting paid to be terrible. 

Considering where I work that would easily get me arrested.

[Daos]

Funimation: It's over Demarco! I have the high ground. Don't try it!

Demarco: You underestimate my power!

[PokeNirvash]

1 hour ago, Top Gun said:

Considering where I work that would easily get me arrested.

Not even any cubicle walls, huh? Dang, even I have cubicle walls where I work.

[helpme]

1 hour ago, Top Gun said:

Considering where I work that would easily get me arrested.

School?

[DangerMouse]

On 6/27/2019 at 8:24 PM, CountFrylock said:

because ding ding ding we don't have nielsen boxes

This. Wouldn't shock me if something like Toonami is actually under-counted on these things.

Edited June 29, 2019 by DangerMouse

[The1gairon]

The Adult Swim Podcast interviewed DeMarco yesterday about the history of Adult Swim and the anime they aired.

No mention about this move.

The Pre-Flight episode ran today about Wolf's Rain and then their favorite wolf-themed movies.

No mention about this move.

[CountFrylock]

9 minutes ago, DangerMouse said:

This. Wouldn't shock me if something like Toonami is actually under-counted on these things.

which sucks because so few people in this country participate in the nielsen survey and even fewer have actually seen a nielsen box

blaming us because we weren't randomly selected to have a nielsen box is a bunch of crap

 

[Daos]

7 minutes ago, DangerMouse said:

This. Wouldn't shock me if something like Toonami is actually under-counted on these things.

The only argument for that would be that Nielsen's sample sizes are too small to accurately tabulate the number of viewers for niche stuff like anime. 

But if they were that bad someone else would have already come out with a new and better method by now.

In all likelyhood Toonami viewership really is that low. You'd be surprised at how many people that are into anime aren't even aware Toonami exists.

[CountFrylock]

2 minutes ago, elfie said:

The Adult Swim Podcast interviewed DeMarco yesterday about the history of Adult Swim and the anime they aired.

No mention about this move.

The Pre-Flight episode ran today about Wolf's Rain and then their favorite wolf-themed movies.

No mention about this move.

they are trying to sweep it under the rug and hope everyone just forgets about it over time

 

someone told me the hulu deal only affects streaming and that it doesn't apply to broadcast television but i still think Demarco's passive aggressive attitude towards MHA Fans and him pointing fingers at them saying it's their fault  the show got demoted...makes me think this isn't just a typical "Oh the show sucked nobody liked it so we kicked it to the curb" situation

[The1gairon]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/turner-broadcasting-ceo-says-were-fan-engagement-business-1005066

^this turned into the biggest joke in the business.

[CountFrylock]

2 minutes ago, Daos said:

The only argument for that would be that Nielsen's sample sizes are too small to accurately tabulate the number of viewers for niche stuff like anime. 

But if they were that bad someone else would have already come out with a new and better method by now.

In all likelyhood Toonami viewership really is that low. You'd be surprised at how many people that are into anime aren't even aware Toonami exists.

most of them probably illegally download their anime or something(because of course they do)...I Have doubts they subscribe to all the different streaming services to get their fix

i don't know why people keep saying anime's more mainstream than ever when it seems like we can't get america to give a shit about any anime that isn't dragon ball

[CountFrylock]

1 minute ago, elfie said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/turner-broadcasting-ceo-says-were-fan-engagement-business-1005066

^this turned into the biggest joke in the business.

if they are no longer in the nielsen days why do they worship that method and still adhere to it so heavily?

[The1gairon]

Just now, CountFrylock said:

if they are no longer in the nielsen days why do they worship that method and still adhere to it so heavily?

This is one big reason why MHA stuff puzzles me so much!! I read this!  I remembered this when I read about the new schedule yesterday! ... it makes no fuckin sense.

[DangerMouse]

Just now, Daos said:

The only argument for that would be that Nielsen's sample sizes are too small to accurately tabulate the number of viewers for niche stuff like anime. 

But if they were that bad someone else would have already come out with a new and better method by now.

In all likelyhood Toonami viewership really is that low. You'd be surprised at how many people that are into anime aren't even aware Toonami exists.

That's true. 

 

Though at the same time I don't recall any old crazy ratings actually reflecting how at least back in the day it seemed like you could run into almost any semi-niche cartoon fan at school and they would have either heard of it or watched it. And lots of fan videos covering the history of Toonami talk about how it felt like that too. Though that being said, it's not like I've ever really follow ratings, let alone especially when I was younger, to be able to make much of a comparison lol.

Either way this is certainly super weird lineup move if it happens since super accessible shonen shows like MHA have almost always opened the block.

[CountFrylock]

1 minute ago, elfie said:

This is one big reason why MHA stuff puzzles me so much!! I read this!  I remembered this when I read about the new schedule yesterday! ... it makes no fuckin sense.

none of it does  it just screams of them trying to get rid of it and using this as a flimsy excuse

but then people rally against me and say that's bullcrap because the hulu deal only affects streaming so it would have no affect on toonami at all so this behavior wouldn't line up with anything

if that's the case then how can they explain this?

[The1gairon]

I find it especially funny because this follows a likewise weird schedule announcement  they made several weeks ago, but in THAT instance, they CHANGED IT DAYS LATER to a better schedule directly in response to fan outcry.  Bad timing?

My theory is that they were able to change it so quickly because the changes were more the Toonami crew's decision. HERE though, we have small clues that MHA at 3:30 is Turners' decision.  So it's out of their hands.

[OwlChemist81]

Is the tail end of MHA Season 3 somehow a little bit less compelling than the series has been so far? Does it somehow have a lackluster ending?

I wonder if the plan is to rerun Season 3 at some point down the line in primetime? Or at least this part of it right before Season 4?

If you ask me, Toonami needs a 2nd night of the week. That would certainly solve this problem!

[CountFrylock]

5 minutes ago, elfie said:

I find it especially funny because this follows a likewise weird schedule announcement  they made several weeks ago, but in THAT instance, they CHANGED IT DAYS LATER to a better schedule directly in response to fan outcry.  Bad timing?

My theory is that they were able to change it so quickly because the changes were more the Toonami crew's decision. HERE though, we have small clues that MHA at 3:30 is Turners' decision.  So it's out of their hands.

but why? nobody ever thought this show was tanking the block

 

nielsen ratings confuse me....why so we let a small minority dictate what shows we like and what shows we don't?

 

 

[Daos]

29 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Is the tail end of MHA Season 3 somehow a little bit less compelling than the series has been so far? Does it somehow have a lackluster ending?

I wonder if the plan is to rerun Season 3 at some point down the line in primetime? Or at least this part of it right before Season 4?

If you ask me, Toonami needs a 2nd night of the week. That would certainly solve this problem!

Kind of, it's more of a set up for S4.

[OwlChemist81]

1 minute ago, Daos said:

Kind of, it's more of a set up for S4.

You mean the S4 Toonami had no idea was even going to happen when they acquired this show? THAT S4??

Well then, in that case, Toonami's decision to blow off the end of S3 at 3:30 might actually be defensible. Perhaps they're even planning a marathon of the end of S3 at some point, like Halloween or Thanksgiving, to lead-in to S4? If that's the case, then the best thing for ratings on that night would be to premiere those last few episodes of S3 where few will watch them.

[CountFrylock]

we don't even know if the hulu deal's affect on the toonami block since we know toonami had to be patient for MHA due to hulu's deal originally

 

so acting like S4 is actually coming is weird

 

 

Edited June 29, 2019 by CountFrylock

[DangerMouse]

5 hours ago, elfie said:

I find it especially funny because this follows a likewise weird schedule announcement  they made several weeks ago, but in THAT instance, they CHANGED IT DAYS LATER to a better schedule directly in response to fan outcry.  Bad timing?

My theory is that they were able to change it so quickly because the changes were more the Toonami crew's decision. HERE though, we have small clues that MHA at 3:30 is Turners' decision.  So it's out of their hands.

That could be possible, since it's true that last time they saw the feedback and reshuffled the schedule before it actually happened.

Also, it's funny but I actually also think that this schedule change doesn't even actually preclude it from taking a more front spot back again in the future, whenever it comes back with S4. These last couple of years they've definitely had a much bigger habit of pushing longer shows back as their season runs on (HxH, both Narutos, and now MHA etc.) than they used to, especially as new shows come and go from the block.

MHA in particular has seemingly moved around more than most other shows usually have too, both to accommodate others coming and going and also due to all the shifting of the block's runtime this past year. From like 9:30pm during the biggest expansion, then going to midnight, then up to 11:30, and then back to opening the block at 10:30pm.

Plus I suppose they could always use a marathon to recap as lead in to S4.

That said, doesn't make it any less weird that it's going to be after Naruto/Boruto (with Naruto being multiple seasons behind/technically finished compared to still new MHA) if they actually do this new schedule lol.

Edited June 29, 2019 by DangerMouse

[DangerMouse]

2 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

we don't even know if the hulu deal's affect on the toonami block since we know toonami had to be patient for MHA due to hulu's deal originally

so acting like S4 is actually coming is weird

Hmmm. I don't remember for sure but wasn't there a lot of talk like that about S3 and how it probably wouldn't even come to Toonami because there was already a streaming deal for the show?

I dunno but I'd still be surprised if S4 doesn't actually air.

[CountFrylock]

Just now, DangerMouse said:

Hmmm. I don't remember for sure but wasn't there a lot of talk like that about S3 and how it probably wouldn't even come to Toonami because there was already a streaming deal for the show?

I dunno but I'd still be surprised if S4 doesn't actually air.

You'd be surprised? i mean if it does air then how do we explain all this crap when nothing indicated MHA was in line to be punished and dmeoted

this just makes no sense

 

 

[ben0119]

On 6/27/2019 at 7:21 PM, elfie said:

We have an answer

 

Sounds like Demarco is talking out of both sides of his ass!

It's really not a good look to blame the fans like that.  I would say Demarco is turning into the Vince McMahon of anime, but even Vince isn't enough of an unthinking asshole to blame fans for declining ratings.  It's your responsibility to put on an engaging product to get people to watch.  And, if you can't survive because of a changing world, what with streaming and all, then, well, it's survival of the fittest.  That again, isn't the fans' fault.  Remember when Toonami was the cutting edge thing out there? *shakes head*

And if My Hero Academia wasn't doing well enough, isn't demoting it all the way to the end of the block overkill?  It definitely comes off as some kind of pettiness over souring relations with Funimation.  Which, is really stupid.  Cut yourself off from Funimation and you cut yourselves off from the bulk of the available anime.  People mentioned that Funimation doesn't promote Toonami airings of their shows at conventions or at social media.  Do Funimation voice actors tweet during the airings like the ones for other shows do?

This doesn't make Demarco look much better.  It wasn't the Toonami crew's call, but he doesn't even know why the decision was made?  So, that's either a sign of incompetence, that there's that much of a lack of communication and cohesion at Adult Swim, or he just doesn't give enough of a shit to find out, was I'm sure he could if he wanted to, either way.

Edited June 29, 2019 by ben0119

[ben0119]

On 6/27/2019 at 9:33 PM, katt_goddess said:

I've always been very careful to ensure that my ratings go towards Toonami programing, even that Gundam crap [ although it's usually muted but I don't think they can tell that ] . The tv's sleep mode is set to activate when Toonami is over so the tv is on even if I'm 'out' . 

I was really hoping to be able to watch that series to it's conclusion at a decent hour on the tv. Now it looks like it'll get added to the same internet list that HunterxHunter is currently hanging out on. That's not good business if you want people to watch your programing. Plus, MHA is a solid show as a lead in to the night between the [ as ] standards and the 'harder' anime that happens later in the evening. Punting it to the back seems like it's being punished because Gundam is airing late or something. 

A solid schedule needs it's anchors to keep the audience in place. Moving things all over any time someone has a head cold does not an anchor make. Saturday ratings may not be the greatest of the great but if you skunk the core ratings that are always there, you risk losing your spot in the rankings, period. 

We got some of the booklets from Nielsen a few years ago.  At the time, I made sure to write down everything I watched, and watched the whole Toonami block, even the reruns.  Ultimately, we weren't chosen to become a Nielsen family, for whatever reason.  I guess we weren't what they were looking for.  I do think the system is outdated.  You could easily track what every viewer is watching through cable companies, cable boxes, etc, I'm sure.  The only issue would be privacy concerns, but people give up way more than that just using the internet, let alone social media, and I think people would jump at the chance to have their views count.  But instead we rely on this archaic method.

We used to talk a lot about the "schedule monkeys" of ASA, how the schedule would be messed with constantly, seemingly with little to no logic applied to the changes.  One of the big pluses about Toonami taking over was this was going to be a thing of the past, and Demarco has even mentioned in the past many times how changing up the schedule too much messes with ratings.  And yet they pull crap like this?  Honestly they are on their way to being as incompetent as ASA ever was, if they aren't already.

[ben0119]

11 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

at this point i think the outrage over The MHA Demotion is louder than any excitement for food wars

 

 

Food Wars was not the first show I would have picked, but it seems intriguing and amusing at least, from what little I know of it, and I'm willing to give it a chance.  But it's hard to be excited with this MHA demotion putting a downer on things, and just watching the block in general.

[Sketch]

1 hour ago, elfie said:

The Adult Swim Podcast interviewed DeMarco yesterday about the history of Adult Swim and the anime they aired.

No mention about this move.

The Pre-Flight episode ran today about Wolf's Rain and then their favorite wolf-themed movies.

No mention about this move.

Both of those were recorded before this schedule was decided.

[CountFrylock]

how many people think this is because of the hulu deal and how many think this is because the people running toonami are just incompetent assholes?

 

 

[OwlChemist81]

13 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

how many people think this is because of the hulu deal and how many think this is because the people running toonami are just incompetent assholes?

 

 

I don't think this has anything to do with Hulu. I think MHA was set up to fail by being aired before DBS though. (NOTHING can air before DBS except Family Guy or American Dad!) It certainly has had a rocky run on Toonami, airing in 5 different timeslots (9:30, 10 PM, 10:30, 11:30, and Midnight) seemingly randomly over the course of its 3 seasons. At least they all were early--until now.

Edited June 29, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[EmpressAngel]

2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Does it somehow have a lackluster ending?

Nope, the last episode is a joy to watch.

1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

You mean the S4 Toonami had no idea was even going to happen when they acquired this show? THAT S4?? 

Literally everyone knew it was getting a fourth season. It's basically taken over as one of the new Big Three shounen, it's getting as many seasons as it wants unless the ratings absolutely tank.

[Top Gun]

That's the best part of this decision.  Sure, let's shove the hottest Shounen Jump property in years to the ass-end of the block!  That'll make people watch!

[ben0119]

If this is how they treat My Hero Academia, what the fuck are they going to do once Super ends?

[scope]

I'm not even a MHA fan but I'm surprised to see it in the graveyard slot.

[PokeNirvash]

5 hours ago, ben0119 said:

We used to talk a lot about the "schedule monkeys" of ASA, how the schedule would be messed with constantly, seemingly with little to no logic applied to the changes.  One of the big pluses about Toonami taking over was this was going to be a thing of the past, and Demarco has even mentioned in the past many times how changing up the schedule too much messes with ratings.  And yet they pull crap like this?  Honestly they are on their way to being as incompetent as ASA ever was, if they aren't already.

 

[mochi]

On 6/27/2019 at 4:40 PM, elfie said:

Funimation has 500+ titles in this library!! Toonami will be cutting off a golden business contact if this is true.

Funimation already did that themselves by signing an exclusivity deal with Hulu remember?

[The1gairon]

10 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Is the tail end of MHA Season 3 somehow a little bit less compelling than the series has been so far? Does it somehow have a lackluster ending?

I wonder if the plan is to rerun Season 3 at some point down the line in primetime? Or at least this part of it right before Season 4?

If you ask me, Toonami needs a 2nd night of the week. That would certainly solve this problem!

If you want spoilers I'll be fine telling you what happens in a note.

[The1gairon]

10 hours ago, DangerMouse said:

That could be possible, since it's true that last time they saw the feedback and reshuffled the schedule before it actually happened.

Also, it's funny but I actually also think that this schedule change doesn't even actually preclude it from taking a more front spot back again in the future, whenever it comes back with S4. These last couple of years they've definitely had a much bigger habit of pushing longer shows back as their season runs on (HxH, both Narutos, and now MHA etc.) than they used to, especially as new shows come and go from the block.

MHA in particular has seemingly moved around more than most other shows usually have too, both to accommodate others coming and going and also due to all the shifting of the block's runtime this past year. From like 9:30pm during the biggest expansion, then going to midnight, then up to 11:30, and then back to opening the block at 10:30pm.

Plus I suppose they could always use a marathon to recap as lead in to S4.

That said, doesn't make it any less weird that it's going to be after Naruto/Boruto (with Naruto being multiple seasons behind/technically finished compared to still new MHA) if they actually do this new schedule lol.

In his ask.fm Demarco did say that there's always the possibility it could move again, because of all the other shows ending, which will affect the block. But we only have like 7 or 8 episodes of Season 3 left.

[The1gairon]

9 hours ago, Sketch said:

Both of those were recorded before this schedule was decided.

Pre-Flight is live right?