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If not, explain to me how a depressed or bipolar person is weak for taking or needing meds to function? 

Diabetes isnt even as serious as a disease in the minds of society. You know why I say that? It's because I'm diabetic can still get life insurance but a person with my illness cannot get covered by most life insurance companies because they are considered too much of a risk.

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8 minutes ago, fuggstop said:

If not, explain to me how a depressed or bipolar person is weak for taking or needing meds to function? 

Diabetes isnt even as serious as a disease in the minds of society. You know why I say that? It's because I'm diabetic can still get life insurance but a person with my illness cannot get covered by most life insurance companies because they are considered too much of a risk.

So much is wrong with this I’m not even sure where to begin...

ok it’s diabetes...beginning of the word is di or in this case die...because you WILL DIE from it...the medications to help treat diabetes affects other parts of the body negatively...and if the lack of proper blood sugar (which is needed for the organs to function properly mind you) isn’t maintained, that can kill you. Or the meds will kill you. Plus as a diabetic you don’t heal nearly as fast as someone who doesn’t have it...so illness are deadlier.

 

your mental disorder won’t kill you...it’s not leading to your death. Now you may kill you as a result of not taking meds. But leaving your mental disorder untreated isn’t medically going to lead you to an early grave

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31 minutes ago, Still Me said:

So much is wrong with this I’m not even sure where to begin...

ok it’s diabetes...beginning of the word is di or in this case die...because you WILL DIE from it...the medications to help treat diabetes affects other parts of the body negatively...and if the lack of proper blood sugar (which is needed for the organs to function properly mind you) isn’t maintained, that can kill you. Or the meds will kill you. Plus as a diabetic you don’t heal nearly as fast as someone who doesn’t have it...so illness are deadlier.

 

your mental disorder won’t kill you...it’s not leading to your death. Now you may kill you as a result of not taking meds. But leaving your mental disorder untreated isn’t medically going to lead you to an early grave

Wow youre a fucking idiot. Guess you never heard of suicide.

And psych meds can be fatal.

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Someone who is diabetic HAS to take their insulin, otherwise they DIE. Literally.

It is a literal necessity for the body.

Someone who has mental illness does not HAVE to take medicine to survive. There are several ways to treat mental illness, like therapy. Some forms of mental illness have medication as the best tool, but it’s not a necessity. A lot of mental illness doesn’t affect survival. 

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4 minutes ago, lupin_bebop said:

Someone who is diabetic HAS to take their insulin, otherwise they DIE. Literally.

It is a literal necessity for the body.

Someone who has mental illness does not HAVE to take medicine to survive. There are several ways to treat mental illness, like therapy. Some forms of mental illness have medication as the best tool, but it’s not a necessity. A lot of mental illness doesn’t affect survival. 

You cant generally say that. You are ignoring how bad mental illness can be. You are very ignorant. 

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Indeed, though a person may have a great many things to be ashamed of, the simple fact that they take medication to regulate their mental health should not be counted among them.

That isn't to say that there are no valid criticisms that revolve around the manner in which one might use said meds, or other ancillary concerns such as a tendency to use one's condition as a scapegoat.

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1 hour ago, Still Me said:

So much is wrong with this I’m not even sure where to begin...

ok it’s diabetes...beginning of the word is di or in this case die...because you WILL DIE from it...the medications to help treat diabetes affects other parts of the body negatively...and if the lack of proper blood sugar (which is needed for the organs to function properly mind you) isn’t maintained, that can kill you. Or the meds will kill you. Plus as a diabetic you don’t heal nearly as fast as someone who doesn’t have it...so illness are deadlier.

 

your mental disorder won’t kill you...it’s not leading to your death. Now you may kill you as a result of not taking meds. But leaving your mental disorder untreated isn’t medically going to lead you to an early grave

This post is so stupid^ Do you think bipolar people just take their medications and lead happy productive lives? Bipolar is far more serious then diabetes. Between 2% and 4% of the population have bipolar and 20% of those people die from it.  Those are official numbers. 

Diabetes is far more simpler to maintain. Did you know most diabetics are at fault for their illness? Yes thats right maybe we should go blaming them for causing it in the first place??

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45 minutes ago, lupin_bebop said:

Someone who is diabetic HAS to take their insulin, otherwise they DIE. Literally.

It is a literal necessity for the body.

Someone who has mental illness does not HAVE to take medicine to survive. There are several ways to treat mental illness, like therapy. Some forms of mental illness have medication as the best tool, but it’s not a necessity. A lot of mental illness doesn’t affect survival. 

Bipolar OD on recreation drugs, some commit suicide, some die in accidents or crime. All direct results, doesn't mention the human suffering factor which is immeasurable against death. 

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You cant generally say that. You are ignoring how bad mental illness can be. You are very ignorant. 

No. You are the one making an apples-to-apples comparison of the two. I’m using YOUR logic (which is faulty as fuck) to explain.

I am not ignoring anything. The only one who is ignorant is you. Stop trying to play victim all the time  it’s really fucking annoying.

I have family members who have diabetes, and that have lost limbs as complications due to it.

Mental illness has become more talked about and better diagnosed, but it is NOT normally life-threatening if left untreated.

 

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24 minutes ago, mthor said:

But those of us with mental illness die younger than you normies do because you don't take us seriously. A person with a documented history of mental illness is more likely to die as a result of undertreatment of a medical condition. There have been a few articles, both scholarly and in the popular press recently, that point this out. And unfortunately, I have to say that it's true. I was in the ER twice in 2017; the first time was for protracted vomiting and diarrhea. They gave me some fluids, did some tests, and sent me home with something for nausea and a clear liquid diet. And somehow managed to overlook a mass that was approximately the size of a rugby ball in my abdomen. If you want the story of the second time, I can share it: I just don't want to be boring.

Look I’m not saying dealing with it isn’t important...that being said I do in fact hear about mental disorders all the fucking time...not just at work but tv, talk shows, news articles, Magazines, YouTube....I do believe that at one point it was vastly overlooked. I don’t believe this is the case anymore...I do however feel that at this point it’s a “likes being the victim” kind of deal.

i do understand that it’s not an exact science...and I call bullshit on Phillies “can’t live a normal life” crap. I’ve DEALT with someone who was and still is bipolar...and she’s living life just fucking fine. 

Slipping through the cracks and committing suicide is because the system failed you. However...given trauma, or chemical imbalances you and you alone killed you. It was a choice. Albeit one not made soundly, but you were the one factor that made that decision. And yes there are people who gave diabetes to themselves, but there are also others who have genetic predispositions to it like myself. It’s really a waiting game for me...and sadly..no matter how much weight I lose, no matter how many times a week I exercise...it’s coming... and I accept that...I move on...but it will be what kills me...not of my choice or choices...

i find the comparison to diabetics subpar. It’s almost like saying people with cancer are gonna die anyways why bother, my mental state is more important...look at me LOOK AT MEEEE

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1 hour ago, Still Me said:
2 hours ago, fuggstop said:

If not, explain to me how a depressed or bipolar person is weak for taking or needing meds to function? 

Diabetes isnt even as serious as a disease in the minds of society. You know why I say that? It's because I'm diabetic can still get life insurance but a person with my illness cannot get covered by most life insurance companies because they are considered too much of a risk.

So much is wrong with this I’m not even sure where to begin...

ok it’s diabetes...beginning of the word is di or in this case die...because you WILL DIE from it...the medications to help treat diabetes affects other parts of the body negatively...and if the lack of proper blood sugar (which is needed for the organs to function properly mind you) isn’t maintained, that can kill you. Or the meds will kill you. Plus as a diabetic you don’t heal nearly as fast as someone who doesn’t have it...so illness are deadlier.

 

your mental disorder won’t kill you...it’s not leading to your death. Now you may kill you as a result of not taking meds. But leaving your mental disorder untreated isn’t medically going to lead you to an early grave

and, the title was supposed to be an insult to people that live with a debilitating disease,

 

there was no reference to what the mysterious deadly mental disease is...  i have never heard of a mental disorder that can kill

except during untreated mania, or psychosis, suicidal, self harm, life threatening behaviors (and psychopathy) ...  there is no cure but if a person wants to deal with

their disease it is easily maintainable,

 

AND the difference is that with diabetes, thats not true.  they dont have a choice to go to the emergency room

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for thorzine..

 

if their in shock on the floor dying, or their leg had to be amputated, or they die in their sleep, its NOT a comparison worth making,

because no one is saying its weak to take the meds that help you level your emotional and mental state to a point where you are not

depressed or not functioning. 

 

ok.... if you go to a good mental health provider, they keep it confidential if that bothers you, support you in your

goals and decisions that are positive, respect your commitment to treatment, and treat you like a friend and an equal..  they are there for your

trials and hard times and they believe in you as much as they can, and they are genuinely concerned if you want to keep active in doing

positive things, keeping up with your goals, and managing your illness and meds... how is that weak fuggz?  who is calling you weak?

 

"the minds of society" arent going to think insulin is tougher than seroquel. 

thats the best way i can explain to you.

 

as far as insurance.  you arent going to die for at least 30 to 40 years.  relax and dont waste the money

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39 minutes ago, Phillies said:

Bipolar OD on recreation drugs, some commit suicide, some die in accidents or crime. All direct results, doesn't mention the human suffering factor which is immeasurable against death. 

Nope. Suicide is a choice. Even with mental illness. Still a choice. Human suffering? Try having to learn to walk again due to loss of limb because of complications of mental illness.

Again, not saying mental illness doesn’t exist or shouldn’t be treated. You can live a mostly normal life with most forms of mental illness without modifying much at all. 

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49 minutes ago, lupin_bebop said:

Nope. Suicide is a choice. Even with mental illness. Still a choice. Human suffering? Try having to learn to walk again due to loss of limb because of complications of mental illness.

Again, not saying mental illness doesn’t exist or shouldn’t be treated. You can live a mostly normal life with most forms of mental illness without modifying much at all. 

So if I put a frog in boiling water the frog is going to jump out... but it was the frog's choice to jump right?? 

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9 minutes ago, mthor said:

You are not picking up what I'm putting down - people with mental illness don't all die of suicide. Some of them die for the same reasons that other people living on the street die - hypothermia, overdose, untreated medical problems, or somebody kills them. Some of them die because of side effects of their meds - which can include diabetes. And some of them die because their physical complaints are ignored or downplayed by care providers. My shrink told me about a study (which I haven't been able to find; I may have to call him) in which patients with an acute abdomen were followed through the ER. Patients with a history - not an acute episode, but a documented history - of mental illness are more than 20% more likely to have an undesirable outcome. That includes death or return for worsening symptoms of a condition that could have been resolved on the initial visit. And I can say for sure that this happens.

I don't care who you know with mental illness or how well they're doing. Mental illness, like diabetes, is a continuum, and is different for each patient. I've seen patients come in, be diagnosed with diabetes, get their diet sorta kinda under control, get on an oral agent, and be fine. And I've seen people come in, be on insulin within a year, lose a couple of toes the next and in general just be brittle as fuck, no matter how hard they try to be compliant. Mental illness is much the same (and I say this as someone who, for the most part, is doing well.)

yes, but how many people do you know, with mental illness, wear it like a badge of honor, while at the same time disparaging those that have another type of disease? 

 

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3 hours ago, cyberbully said:

Insulin doesn't get you high or change your mood so fuck a literal life saving drug....That's what I am reading here.

You need it to live. Without it, your blood sugar levels would cause you to have seizures and die, or simply just die. 

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3 hours ago, mthor said:

You are not picking up what I'm putting down - people with mental illness don't all die of suicide. Some of them die for the same reasons that other people living on the street die - hypothermia, overdose, untreated medical problems, or somebody kills them. Some of them die because of side effects of their meds - which can include diabetes. And some of them die because their physical complaints are ignored or downplayed by care providers. My shrink told me about a study (which I haven't been able to find; I may have to call him) in which patients with an acute abdomen were followed through the ER. Patients with a history - not an acute episode, but a documented history - of mental illness are more than 20% more likely to have an undesirable outcome. That includes death or return for worsening symptoms of a condition that could have been resolved on the initial visit. And I can say for sure that this happens.

I don't care who you know with mental illness or how well they're doing. Mental illness, like diabetes, is a continuum, and is different for each patient. I've seen patients come in, be diagnosed with diabetes, get their diet sorta kinda under control, get on an oral agent, and be fine. And I've seen people come in, be on insulin within a year, lose a couple of toes the next and in general just be brittle as fuck, no matter how hard they try to be compliant. Mental illness is much the same (and I say this as someone who, for the most part, is doing well.)

To this day, I still wish I could slash the asshole boot camp doctor's eyes with a broken glass bottle because he ignored the agony I was in for months due to showing a few signs of depression. I had severe pain in my stomach, was vomiting, could barely eat or drink water, and every visit this mother fucker kept trying to tell me the pain was psychological. Separating from the Air Force was the only way I could see a good doctor and receive treatment for what turned out to be a pretty bad stomach infection. Fuggs started this with a bullshit post, but Mthor is right about quacks who blow off symptoms of patients if they even think you have a mental illness.

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52 minutes ago, Phillies said:

Is that some fancy quote you saw scribbled on the wall of the pen? maybe it was an internet message board meme?? 

No. It is literally what 2 of us thought at the same time.

The frog in your scenario is acting out of self preservation, because he's being forced into the boil. Suicide is if it jumped in of its OWN volition, no the whims of a cook.

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3 hours ago, mthor said:

People with Munchausen's syndrome. (Not sure of the spelling.)

I don't know - I try not to get this angry, because I stop making sense. (In real life, I personify spluttering.)

i would never try to make you angry. i'm just trying to understand why this thread was started. 

i still don't, and have no desire to. 

i am just glad you are doing well...for the most part. <3

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51 minutes ago, Still Me said:

Well considering that there is documented medical proof...I am inclined to believe the statement 

https://www.etymonline.com/word/diabetes

The root word is not "di" (which isn't "die" either way). It's "dia".

https://www.etymonline.com/word/di-

None of these are "die". What you're describing would likely make the root word of "diabetes" to be "die" but "die" is too recent of a word to have many words using it. Most languages don't draw from English words; most English words draw from other languages.

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5 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/diabetes

The root word is not "di" (which isn't "die" either way). It's "dia".

https://www.etymonline.com/word/di-

None of these are "die". What you're describing would likely make the root word of "diabetes" to be "die" but "die" is too recent of a word to have many words using it. Most languages don't draw from English words; most English words draw from other languages.

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION SCIENCE!?

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My uncle died of Diabetes and my brother has Diabetes. Is yours type A or type B? Type As are born with it and there isn't really anything they can do about it. Type Bs developed it later in life usually due to obesity. If they lose enough weight though their body could return to a normal state. 

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https://www.etymonline.com/word/diabetes

The root word is not "di" (which isn't "die" either way). It's "dia".

https://www.etymonline.com/word/di-

None of these are "die". What you're describing would likely make the root word of "diabetes" to be "die" but "die" is too recent of a word to have many words using it. Most languages don't draw from English words; most English words draw from other languages.

I never even said di as what it broke down to...I was trying to point out people DIE from DIE-ABEETUS...

dont be that fucking ignorant

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9 minutes ago, Still Me said:

I never even said di as what it broke down to...I was trying to point out people DIE from DIE-ABEETUS...

dont be that fucking ignorant

Lol so full of shit...you said di in diabetes meant die. How you gonna try and deny that because you got owned.

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Lol so full of shit...you said di in diabetes meant die. How you gonna try and deny that because you got owned.

No I didn’t explain the route word, and I never defined the word. I was word associating that would be simple enough you could understand it...

people DIE as a result of their diabetes

people CHOOSE to kill themselves due to mental illness...

 

associating two issues like that is fucking retarded

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2 minutes ago, Still Me said:

No I didn’t explain the route word, and I never defined the word. I was word associating that would be simple enough you could understand it...

people DIE as a result of their diabetes

people CHOOSE to kill themselves due to mental illness...

 

associating two issues like that is fucking retarded

You just make up shit and ignore facts. Bet you voted for Trump.

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