DragonSinger Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, Daos said: It has high retention because it airs after BC, Jojo and Gundam. There's no viewers left at that point. Naruto was the lowest rated show of the night and it still had 90 percent retention. Pretty sure the back pain thing was just an excuse, as time went on most people came to the conclusion that he got burnt out. Unless he's been bed ridden for the last 5 years. Someone else can explain to you how ratings work, but I'll do the world a favor and educate you about health issues related to backs and artistic jobs. If you're doing something repetitively for decades, it will fuck up parts of your body, and that shit stays jacked up for life. All it does is get worse. Back pain can especially be hell because it can affect every part of your body. Togashi seems to have a better system of dealing with it since he can get out a volume before going on hiatus now, but it's probably still hard for him to do that much. Older generations of artists didn't concentrate on keeping up with their health, and I've only recently seen them be honest about how much pain they're in while working and warning the younger ones to take better care of themselves. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Daos, glad I Know how to respond to you the next time you get back pain, or a leg sores, or neck sores, or allergies, or a cold, wondering if you'll be able to survive the next decades of your life having to lie in bed, depressed, soaking in medical bill debt, wondering if the rest of the world is advancing without you, in a country that thinks minor conditions transforms the victim into a liability and would just like to let you rot: ... say "oh you just don't care about work". Like I had to for the past several months. Health is a fuckin serious issue. Edited January 11, 2018 by elfie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I've just spent about 45 minutes looking at Twitter responses to a question raised by Senator Sanders to other users asking if they have Universal Health Care in their countries and how well it's working out for them. Really eye-opening stuff! And "medical travel" in which US Citizens travel to other countries to see the doctor for less IS a thing now, so there's that. But back to Toonami, we were just talking about JoJo Part 5, right? Well... https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2018-01-11/jojo-bizarre-adventure-golden-wind-trademark-filed-in-japan/.126321 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Oh great, so now we'll get Jojo Bizarre Adventure Golden Shower..... Hey, Maybe Trump will tweet about it and get some badly needed viewers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 If it does happen, I'd say there's a 70% chance a different studio is making it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 10 hours ago, SorceressPol said: Someone else can explain to you how ratings work, but I'll do the world a favor and educate you about health issues related to backs and artistic jobs. If you're doing something repetitively for decades, it will fuck up parts of your body, and that shit stays jacked up for life. All it does is get worse. Back pain can especially be hell because it can affect every part of your body. Togashi seems to have a better system of dealing with it since he can get out a volume before going on hiatus now, but it's probably still hard for him to do that much. Older generations of artists didn't concentrate on keeping up with their health, and I've only recently seen them be honest about how much pain they're in while working and warning the younger ones to take better care of themselves. That seems unnecessary since I just told you how it works. Shows that are later in the night have better retention than the shows earlier in the night, due to the fact that the ratings fall off a cliff after Kai. Holding 90 percent of one of the Dragonball shows is good, holding 90 percent of Gundam isn't that special. The difference between HxH and the last show on the block was about 50k viewers. The difference between HxH and the first show on the block was over 500k viewers. It once ran third in the lineup, now it's in the 6th spot. If they think it can do better than Jojo or Gundam they should feel free to move it up. If you're asking if I believe that Togashi is so completely crippled by pain that he can't work for more than a month a year after 4 or 5 years then I would say... it's possible but highly improbable. Fans made a reddit thread about him years ago and a lot of people who have followed his work came to the conclusion that it had a lot more to do with burnout than him being permanently crippled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Daos said: That seems unnecessary since I just told you how it works. Shows that are later in the night have better retention than the shows earlier in the night, due to the fact that the ratings fall off a cliff after Kai. Holding 90 percent of one of the Dragonball shows is good, holding 90 percent of Gundam isn't that special. The difference between HxH and the last show on the block was about 50k viewers. The difference between HxH and the first show on the block was over 500k viewers. It once ran third in the lineup, now it's in the 6th spot. If they think it can do better than Jojo or Gundam they should feel free to move it up. If you're asking if I believe that Togashi is so completely crippled by pain that he can't work for more than a month a year after 4 or 5 years then I would say... it's possible but highly improbable. Fans made a reddit thread about him years ago and a lot of people who have followed his work came to the conclusion that it had a lot more to do with burnout than him being permanently crippled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) We finally have the numbers for Family Guy. http://programminginsider.com/saturday-cable-final-nationals-titans-chiefs-espn-tops-day-least-watched-nfl-playoff-game-six-years/ (Comments) 1,035,000 0.47 18-49 which means it barely edged out over Super ! Edited January 14, 2018 by brianycpht 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 So, I guess we wait til Tuesday to find out how big a dump Asta took.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Will it be Wednesday this week because of MLK day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) On 1/11/2018 at 7:55 PM, Daos said: That seems unnecessary since I just told you how it works. Shows that are later in the night have better retention than the shows earlier in the night, due to the fact that the ratings fall off a cliff after Kai. Holding 90 percent of one of the Dragonball shows is good, holding 90 percent of Gundam isn't that special. The difference between HxH and the last show on the block was about 50k viewers. The difference between HxH and the first show on the block was over 500k viewers. It once ran third in the lineup, now it's in the 6th spot. If they think it can do better than Jojo or Gundam they should feel free to move it up. If you're asking if I believe that Togashi is so completely crippled by pain that he can't work for more than a month a year after 4 or 5 years then I would say... it's possible but highly improbable. Fans made a reddit thread about him years ago and a lot of people who have followed his work came to the conclusion that it had a lot more to do with burnout than him being permanently crippled. If Togashi wanted to quit, he hit a solid ending point 40+ chapters ago. He didn't HAVE to keep going for people to be satisfied. The current arc is great, so I don't mind him continuing, but the notion that he's burned out rather than old and working in an industry that has notoriously bad work conditions is, frankly, utterly retarded. Edited January 15, 2018 by naraku360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Is that the highest ratings Black Clover got so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 14 hours ago, elfie said: Is that the highest ratings Black Clover got so far? Episode 4 was the lowest overall, but tied the 2nd-highest in 18-49. Episode 3 (12/16/17) so far has been the highest. This is also true with 18-34, and the most recent episode is the 2nd lowest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Almost makes me wish they found a cache of kiddy porn in Togashi's desk instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Not today. *Closes tab* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, ben0119 said: Almost makes me wish they found a cache of kiddy porn in Togashi's desk instead. You should be happy when they imevitably find it in Tite Kubo's, for he'll finally be relevant again. Well, for another 5 minutes I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I’m not touching this with a ten foot poll. So, Godzilla: Monster Planet drops tomorrow and the big opposition from Toonami is Space Dandy reruns. Also a new Lupin III series was announced but after the tepid reception of Lupin: The Italian Job I don’t see DeMarco getting it. Meanwhile Screamy McScreamington fails at ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 It does look like the question of HOW MUCH it fails will be answered tomorrow, as MLK day has delayed ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 But as for Lupin, I'd say there's a chance his absence from Toonami after Part 4 ends this weekend could be shorter than you think. Remember how Lupin replaced Gundam Unicorn last year? Could history repeat itself this year with a Black Clover-style simuldub of Lupin the 3rd Part 5 replacing Gundam IBO in May? https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-01-16/lupin-iii-5th-anime-series-reveals-staff-april-debut-modern-setting/.126478 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 It took more than a year and a half for the current Lupin series to air here, and it premiered pretty late in the night. Because of just that (but also tepid ratings), this theory gets a flat "no" from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Do you think they consider Lupin Part 4 a failure like Tenchi Muyo! GXP? I wouldn't say so. They were probably embarrassed about the content of GXP, while Lupin was damn near a masterpiece. Based on that alone, I think they might still air Lupin Part 5. As for replacing Gundam IBO, if FLCL2 is going to expand Toonami to 10 PM, that would still make it the 6th show in the lineup. Lupin Part 4 alternated between the 7th show and the 6th show on the lineup, moving up to 1:30 from 2 AM one time and staying there, but as Toonami's beginning time changed from 11 PM to 11:30, then back to 11 PM and then 10:30 PM, that also shook Lupin's position in the lineup up from 7th at first, then 6th with the loss of 11 PM, staying 6th once everything moved up on 7/29/17, then finally back to 7th on 12/2/17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, OwlChemist81 said: Do you think they consider Lupin Part 4 a failure like Tenchi Muyo! GXP? I wouldn't say so. They were probably embarrassed about the content of GXP, while Lupin was damn near a masterpiece. Based on that alone, I think they might still air Lupin Part 5. As for replacing Gundam IBO, if FLCL2 is going to expand Toonami to 10 PM, that would still make it the 6th show in the lineup. Lupin Part 4 alternated between the 7th show and the 6th show on the lineup, moving up to 1:30 from 2 AM one time and staying there, but as Toonami's beginning time changed from 11 PM to 11:30, then back to 11 PM and then 10:30 PM, that also shook Lupin's position in the lineup up from 7th at first, then 6th with the loss of 11 PM, staying 6th once everything moved up on 7/29/17, then finally back to 7th on 12/2/17. We have no idea if the financials involved. If they got a good deal on it, it may be considered a success. If they paid a lot of money for it, then perhaps not. It was never moved down for one thing. Another factor is that they now have a relationship with TMS directly which would make getting the TV rights for part 5 easier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Hopefully Part 5 would be watched by more people than Part 4, and then they'll still have the rights to part 4, so it might cause more people to seek out dubbed episodes of part 4 on-demand. Edited January 16, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Lupin airs at the "ratings don't matter" portion of the block so they just might get the next one. I really don't think they expect much from anything after Jojo, which is no ratings behemoth itself. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Yeah, you're probably right. As long as Dragon Ball Super continues to make this list, we're good: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Well, I have no idea if they'll get Lupin Part 5 at any point, but I'm pretty sure it won't be immediately after Gundam: IBO ends. I think it's more likely they air a one-off short series (as in, 12 episodes) so they can roll right into Attack on Titan S3 afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) I think it's a LOT more likely that AOT S3 will air at 11 PM, replacing DBZ Kai. That ends in June or July, right? Either that will replace it, or Boruto will. S2 got a raw deal, premiering at 12:30, and I just don't see that happening for S3. Remember, AOT HAS already aired at 11 PM once as part of the S2 marathon. Edited January 16, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 DBZ Kai will last until June 16, according to my projections. They won't be able to replace it one-for-one, and I don't see it being one show removed unless FLCL 2 suffers a delay and airs right after it. My most current prediction matrix actually has what I described for JoJo's instead, with Darling in the Frankxx and then Drifters airing after it before AoT S3 comes in during August. Meanwhile, FLCL 2 replaces Gundam outright, and it gets replaced itself by the "Battle for Egypt" arc of Stardust Crusaders. Oh, and I should probably mention... I don't think it's gonna be Blood Blockade as the next new show. Those so-called "legal issues" are more likely to come out of a SimulDub, at least when I look at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Wait, why would JoJo take a break after Episode 24 of Stardust Crusaders? I don't see that happening, but if they need a timeslot for what they were going to air at 1:30, I GUESS it COULD work at Midnight. Maybe this bit of trouble they've run into makes it worthy of midnight after all. I doubt it would have been at 1:30 AM. FLCL2 would be an ideal replacement for DBZ Kai, and 6 weeks later AOT S3 could air. But maybe we DO get the simuldub of AOT S3, and maybe it even starts for us on June 30th or July 7th? Then you would only need ONE special week instead of DBZ Kai. Or maybe we get 2 marathons on St. Patrick's Day and Memorial Day, which would bump its finale to June 23, and then either June 30 or July 7 would start AOT S3, possibly BEFORE Japan this time. And if Adult Swim is smart, they'll mandate that FUNimation do it Dragon Ball Super-style this time and not stream dubbed episodes except every 12-13 weeks. Edited January 17, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It was split-cour on the original Japanese airing. That's the only reason why I'm assuming this, but it seems like a sound one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'm still putting my money on the recently dubbed Kabaneri. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Call me crazy, but I believe it could be that new Batman anime. That would be a HUGE mistake for Toonami to miss its shot at, especially because its parent network's sister network's most overplayed show happens to be in that franchise too. So maybe we'll get that replacing JoJo at Midnight. We can only hope... EDIT: According to my research, it's called Batman Ninja, and it's a BATMAN MOVIE. So that's a no-go for Toonami, at least not anytime soon. Might have a theatrical release this summer, then show up in like 2020 or something. Edited January 17, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) The week before last, the NFL destroyed Toonami in the ratings. Last week was even worse: (Recommended viewing on mobile in landscape mode) http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-13-2018.html Over 26 MILLION people were watching the NFL AFC divisional playoff quarterfinal, and it drew HUGE numbers in Adult Swim's target demos of Men 18-34, 18-49, and Men 18-49. That explains why Toonami's originals still did comparatively well amongst other cable originals in those demos but not as well as usual, and the total viewership after Midnight was just plain anemic, well below 12/13/14 Hellsing Ultimate X levels. This current mini-arc of Dragon Ball Super just didn't draw the eyeballs for its one airing despite a promising start, but I believe the NFL is largely to blame for that, and will not be a factor this weekend, so maybe it's finally Toonami's time to shine again? Yes, it will have to compete with the mind-boggling juggernaught that is Live PD, and with the UFC, but those aren't "monster" level competition events like the NFL's few Saturday night football games! Edited January 17, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Looks like Asta didn't take that big a dump after all. JJBA though.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Can we cancel Black Clover? Like now? Just give it the Wulin treatment. Edited January 17, 2018 by Jman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I hope it’s just football. We had such a good thing going before the holidays! Its a “everything on the network” being down thing and not necessarily one show causing the problem. It’s the same overall pattern, just lower overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 So JoJo's actually did soil the sheets for once, although that may not be its own fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Funny, there were people calling out both BC and JoJo for soiling the sheets, as both ironically contained a plethora of poop jokes: Total Viewers Show People Retention DBS 904,000 N/A DBZKFC 761,000 84.18% BClover 609,000 80.03% JoJo 508,000 83.42% Gundam 455,000 89.57% Lupin 428,000 94.07% In terms of total viewers, Black Clover had the worst retention, BUT... Adults 18-34 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.45 306,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.44 299,000 97.78% BClover 0.36 245,000 81.82% JoJo 0.26 177,000 72.22% Gundam 0.25 170,000 96.15% Lupin 0.29 197,000 116.00% Adults 18-49 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.37 474,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.34 436,000 91.89% BClover 0.29 372,000 85.29% JoJo 0.21 269,000 72.41% Gundam 0.19 244,000 90.48% Lupin 0.21 269,000 110.53% In terms of the target demographic, JoJo was the biggest loser. Adults 18-49 Show Rank Chg DBS #3 +1 DBZKFC #7 -2 BClover #16 -2 JoJo #36 -9 Gundam #44 -12 Lupin #34 +6 Finally, in terms of Adults 18-49 rank, Gundam was the biggest dropper, while the only gainers were Lupin and DBS. It should be noted that this was DBS's first time in the Top 3, and it was also Toonami's first 18-49 cable original #3 since DBZKFC reached #3 on 8/5/17. Last time a Toonami show reached #2 was 5/13/17, and that was also DBZKFC. But that same night was the last time a Toonami show reached #1 in 18-49 among cable originals, and that show was none other than the penultimate episode of Samurai Jack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Ginguy said: Looks like Asta didn't take that big a dump after all. JJBA though.... This has gone from being an amusing anecdote to annoyingly samey to just being mean-spirited towards JoJo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 We all know Black Clover has no redeeming value. At all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The averages though aren't that bad. In essence, as long as m 18-49 and m 12-34 are green or yellow, the show is doing alright enough. In that regard, Toonami is doing well enough to warrant advertisers buying time. That includes JJBA, BC and IBO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 So true. The commercials which are tailored to those demographics cost money to air on the networks (hell, they're the networks' TRUE bread-and-butter, not the shows), and there's no better place for that investment than the #1 in those demographics. Last week, that was a clear toss-up between A&E and Adult Swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, OwlChemist81 said: So true. The commercials which are tailored to those demographics cost money to air on the networks (hell, they're the networks' TRUE bread-and-butter, not the shows), and there's no better place for that investment than the #1 in those demographics. Last week, that was a clear toss-up between A&E and Adult Swim. Actually, subscriber fees are the bread and butter of networks, ads are the frosting and cake. That said, I was looking and BC is the equal to a college basketball game at 4:30 pm and did better than a college basketball game at 6:00 pm. Yes, the total viewers are bad, in comparison to DBS, but the averages are still at least at the average or above average, particularly in the younger 12-34 demo. The block is healthy in that regard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Remember the time of long long ago when Jojo got over a million viewers an episode? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Oh hey so Crunchyroll is still getting paid off to claim that Black Clover is good. Not only good, but one of the BEST ADAPTIONS EVER! http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/01/17/black-clover-may-be-the-best-shonen-anime-adaptation 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, Daos said: Remember the time of long long ago when Jojo got over a million viewers an episode? And we were worried that it didn’t hit 1.1 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Daos said: Oh hey so Crunchyroll is still getting paid off to claim that Black Clover is good. Not only good, but one of the BEST ADAPTIONS EVER! http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/01/17/black-clover-may-be-the-best-shonen-anime-adaptation But if it's that good, how come it wasn't nominated for anything at the Anime Awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Because it's SO good and so far ahead of its time it can't be appreciated until decades later. Seriously this is paid shill advertising at its worst. It's not horrible filler.. it's.... BONUS CONTENT that creates a stronger story! "Pierrot has blown me away with their work on Black Clover. Filler has always had a rough place in the anime fandom, so finding ways to pad out the story with character pieces that contribute to the existing narrative is the best of both worlds. Even fans of the manga who don’t normally tune-in can find reasons to check Black Clover out with what essentially comes out to bonus content. I can safely say I’ve enjoyed the anime more than the manga. As far as adaptations go, I have to hand it to a series that goes the extra mile by not just highlighting the strengths of its source material, but expanding upon them to create and an even stronger story." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) Wonderful. The first article they made that makes me wonder why I ever though they were good. Researched. This Peter guy seems to only post opinion pieces, which shouldn't be seen as news. Edited January 18, 2018 by elfie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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