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It's not just him though. It's a full court press by the entire site to plug this shitty anime. Ideally, you'd hope they'd have more integrity than just taking a dumptruck full of cash to write fake good reviews about a near universally loathed anime. I'd accept it if he said "Look guys it's not THAT bad...."

But having the balls to call it one of the best manga to anime adaptations ever and calling episode 2 filler "bonus content that adds to the story." That's a bridge too far.

Have some cupcakes though!

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2017/11/22/asta-from-black-clover-celebratory-joining-up-with-the-black-bulls-cupcake

 

 

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UPDATED: 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-13-2018.html

The average in total viewers was well below the "unholy megabomb" of Hellsing Ultimate X and Fullmetal Alchemist: Sacred Star of Milos on 12/13/14:

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION    
       
10:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 904,000 #VALUE!
11:00 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 761,000  (84.18%)
11:30 PM Black Clover 609,000  (80.03%)
12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 508,000  (83.42%)
12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 455,000  (89.57%)
1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 460,000  (101.10%)
1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 428,000  (93.04%)
2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 430,000  (100.47%)
2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 421,000  (97.91%)
3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 412,000  (97.86%)
3:30 AM GITS: SAC 2nd Gig 370,000  (89.81%)
TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE -  523,455  

The block-to-block comparison is in favor of the 12/13/14 lineup by 13k, but the respective portions of the lineups in the same timeslots also favors that night by a whopping 100K. OUCH!

As for whether last week's lineup still edged that out in 18-49, that remains yet to be seen. An estimate CAN be made, however, using 1282K=1.00 ratings points, as follows:

 

ADULTS 18-49 -  Viewers (Est.) Retention
10:30 PM   Dragon Ball Super 478,000 #VALUE!
11:00 PM   DBZ Kai: FC 439,000  (91.84%)
11:30 PM   Black Clover 375,000  (85.42%)
12:00 AM   JJBA: S. Crusaders 271,000  (72.27%)
12:30 AM   Gundam IBO S2 246,000  (90.77%)
1:00 AM   Hunter × Hunter 284,000  (115.45%)
1:30 AM   Lupin The 3rd 271,000  (95.42%)
2:00 AM   Naruto: Shippuden 271,000  (100.00%)
2:30 AM   Outlaw Star HD 258,000  (95.20%)
3:00 AM   Cowboy Bebop HD 271,000  (105.04%)
3:30 AM   GITS: SAC 2nd Gig 246,000  (90.77%)
ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE -  310,000  

According to this estimate, the 11:30 PM-4 AM portion of the lineup averaged 277K, which is still 17K better than the corresponding portion of the "unholy megabomb" night. In fact, to date, the only thing that's managed to edge that out in the ratings Limbo ("how low can ya go?") is the last 9 shows of the Cowboy Bebop marathon from 12/23/17, which averaged a mere 230K.

In conclusion, sure things look bad now, but it's been much worse. And it seems like whatever decision got the block cut in half back in February 2015 is no longer an issue. With competition like the NFL and Live PD, I guess these numbers are OK. But I still can't help but hope that Toonami has a major hit coming up in 2018 that isn't Dragon Ball Super. FLCL2 and FLCL3 will obviously fit the bill, but it would be nice if there's a surprise hit that comes to Toonami, something like One Punch Man (and yes, I know we'll probably get Season 2 later in the year as well).

Also, I'mma say it: Hunter x Hunter should be on earlier. JoJo at 12:30 and Gundam at 1 AM would be fine if it helps the block.

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4 hours ago, brianycpht said:

And we were worried that it didn’t hit 1.1 million?

It DID come close twice though (Episodes 2 and 9). That Phantom Blood arc was BOSS in retrospect! Part 1 averaged over a million total viewers!

Meanwhile, Part 2 couldn't crack a million, and Part 3 so far hasn't cracked 750K. Oy Vey.

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6 hours ago, Daos said:

There were some really good playoff games this weekend.

But the main problem as always........

The lineup still blows.

They are just going to have to rebuild the lineup from the front. Jojo and Gundam are just going to have to cycle out and hopefully we get some stuff that retain the front better! Here’s hoping for something good as the mystery show.

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Now everyone knows how I feel about Crunchyroll. Granted, there wasn't much wrong with it before, but now that they're trying to force an anime down our throats that isn't up to par, it makes my decision feel vindicated.

Also, this is just a fun little tangent, but remember Toriko? A.k.a. the last time a "hot" new shonen franchise was shoved down our throats. It even got a crossover special with Dragon Ball Z and One Piece where it pretty much couldn't be anything other than the third wheel. Well, the franchise's anime movie got licensed... by Discotek. That's kind of a hilarious fall, considering Funimation had the actual series. It just goes to show that this approach won't work every single time. I will at least credit all parties involved for being as bloodthirsty as possible this time. ¬¬

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4 hours ago, brianycpht said:

They are just going to have to rebuild the lineup from the front. Jojo and Gundam are just going to have to cycle out and hopefully we get some stuff that retain the front better! Here’s hoping for something good as the mystery show.

I don't think for a minute Toonami is "done" with JoJo and Gundam. I think they'll keep airing Part 3, will after a small hiatus go into Part 4, and will air Part 5 whenever the hell that becomes available if not right after Part 4. And as for Gundam, I think they'll keep airing those too. They'll either keep going with modern Gundams such as Thunderbolt and Origin, or they'll add Gundam to the back third "nostalgia zone" with stuff like G Gundam or Gundam Wing. Both would be a treat to see in HD.

But something must be said: Hunter x Hunter needs to be on earlier. Midnight might be a stretch, but 12:30 in front of the mystery show would be decent. If the mystery show is enough of a draw, I think Black Clover can maintain 11:30, but maybe should move down to Midnight.

At any rate, here is how I would re-arrange the schedule for maximum ratings:

SCENARIO 1 - JOJO TAKES A BREAK: 2/17/18 DBS; DBZK; BC; Mystery Show; HxH; GIBO; NS; OS; SD; CB; GITS2. Note: JoJo returns at 1:30 AM after OS ends

SCENARIO 2 - JOJO KEEPS GOGOING: 3/24/18 DBS; DBZ; BC; Mystery Show; HxH; JOJO; GIBO; NS; SD; CB; GITS2. Under this scenario, the "mystery show" is a birthday present for me!

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Well, here's the official #s:

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-nationals-patriots-blowout-win-titans-cbs-generates-least-watched-nfl-divisional-playoff-9-years/

Adult Swim PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000)
10:30 Dragon Ball Super 904 0.37 475
11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 761 0.34 442
11:30 Black Clover 609 0.29 371
12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 508 0.21 274
12:30a Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 455 0.19 249
ProgrammingInsider.com
1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 460 0.22 280
1:30a Lupin the 3rd: Part 4 428 0.21 276
2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 430 0.21 272
2:30a Outlaw Star (r) 421 0.20 259
3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 412 0.21 270
3:30a Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig (r) 370 0.19 245

Nothing above 500K 18-49 for the first time in a while. And still no word about Family Guy at 10 PM.

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1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Well, here's the official #s:

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-nationals-patriots-blowout-win-titans-cbs-generates-least-watched-nfl-divisional-playoff-9-years/

Adult Swim PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000)
10:30 Dragon Ball Super 904 0.37 475
11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 761 0.34 442
11:30 Black Clover 609 0.29 371
12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 508 0.21 274
12:30a Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 455 0.19 249
ProgrammingInsider.com
1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 460 0.22 280
1:30a Lupin the 3rd: Part 4 428 0.21 276
2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 430 0.21 272
2:30a Outlaw Star (r) 421 0.20 259
3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 412 0.21 270
3:30a Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig (r) 370 0.19 245

Nothing above 500K 18-49 for the first time in a while. And still no word about Family Guy at 10 PM.

I asked SotB. Hopefully he gets back soon. Took him almost a week when Sketch asked him last week. I’m hoping if he’s asked every week he’ll just go back to including it

 

Edit: FG got 930,000 0.38 18-49

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Regarding one of OwlChemist's predictions, I find this to be pretty interesting...

Could they be announcing Part 5 immediately after Part 4's end? That would be fairly bold. Of course, this could just as easily be nothing, but whatever it is, I hope it lives up to the promise.

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11 hours ago, Blatch said:

Regarding one of OwlChemist's predictions, I find this to be pretty interesting...

Could they be announcing Part 5 immediately after Part 4's end? That would be fairly bold. Of course, this could just as easily be nothing, but whatever it is, I hope it lives up to the promise.

It’s a live stream panel

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/954397946363219968

 

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On 1/17/2018 at 11:22 PM, elfie said:

Wonderful. The first article they made that makes me wonder why I ever though they were good.

Researched. This Peter guy seems to only post opinion pieces, which shouldn't be seen as news.

What happened to ethics in anime journalism? :P:D

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I have a BAD feeling about the ratings this week.

Whereas last year the Trump Inauguration and fallout from that caused everyone to watch news channels, this year I believe the Government Shutdown might have the same effect.

Not to mention that UFC and Bellator were a thing last night, and they're pretty popular.

So it might be even uglier than usual again this week. It might be a while until we see million-plus again with this current lineup, sadly enough.

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Do you realize that there's almost certainly going to be another Dragon Ball show after Super? It's not like they announced the franchise was shutting down again; they're making too much money off of it to back down. There's even a theatrical movie planned for this year.

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2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

I have a BAD feeling about the ratings this week.

Whereas last year the Trump Inauguration and fallout from that caused everyone to watch news channels, this year I believe the Government Shutdown might have the same effect.

Not to mention that UFC and Bellator were a thing last night, and they're pretty popular.

So it might be even uglier than usual again this week. It might be a while until we see million-plus again with this current lineup, sadly enough.

Well if that happens all of AS that night should be down, including Family Guy. I’d only worry if there a huge drop from the comedies into Toonami 

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http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-nationals-patriots-blowout-win-titans-cbs-generates-least-watched-nfl-divisional-playoff-9-years/

It turns out Family Guy just edged out Dragon Ball Super on 1/13/18:

Family Guy (Adult Swim, 1/13 10:00-10:30 p.m.)
- 930,000 viewers
- 0.38 adults 18-49 rating

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1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-nationals-patriots-blowout-win-titans-cbs-generates-least-watched-nfl-divisional-playoff-9-years/

It turns out Family Guy just edged out Dragon Ball Super on 1/13/18:

Family Guy (Adult Swim, 1/13 10:00-10:30 p.m.)
- 930,000 viewers
- 0.38 adults 18-49 rating

This is sort of what I mean. If Family Guy is down, less people overall were watching AS in general that night. It has nothing to do with Toonami. It followed the same usual ratings pattern just a little lower.

 

An aside: I actually had to request those Family Guy ratings, as did Sketch the week before. It seems he doesn’t post the prime time numbers for each network anymore, so Family Guy will probably have to be asked for each week. But I think it’s essential to get an idea of how the block did. Maybe if he’s asked every week he’ll go back to posting them!

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4 hours ago, Blatch said:

Do you realize that there's almost certainly going to be another Dragon Ball show after Super? It's not like they announced the franchise was shutting down again; they're making too much money off of it to back down. There's even a theatrical movie planned for this year.

Hopefully it’s animated.

And that’s still a brand new license and more importantly, time off.  Dragonball is hotter than ever with everyone salivating over FighterZ, but Toonami needs to turn that into ratings.

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On ‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 3:14 PM, OwlChemist81 said:

I have a BAD feeling about the ratings this week.

Whereas last year the Trump Inauguration and fallout from that caused everyone to watch news channels, this year I believe the Government Shutdown might have the same effect.

Not to mention that UFC and Bellator were a thing last night, and they're pretty popular.

So it might be even uglier than usual again this week. It might be a while until we see million-plus again with this current lineup, sadly enough.

Well, might not be as bad as I thought:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-friday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-19-2018.html

This is for FRIDAY, but it might indicate how many slots in the Top 50 get lapped up by news organizations on Saturday. On Friday it was 17/50, roughly one-third, with 7 going to CNN, 7 going to Fox News, and 3 going to MSNBC. Compare that to a year ago, which had TWICE as many slots in the Top 50:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-friday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-20-2017.html

So I don't believe the Government Shutdown is going to be as detrimental to Toonami's six premiere slots as what we witnessed the next day:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-21-2017.html

Over 40% of the slots that day went to news channels. I doubt we'll see as many go there for this past weekend. I also predict all 6 premieres will make the Top 50 in 18-49, which clearly didn't happen with that lineup's 4 premieres.

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We’ll see. The government actually having the shut down vs Friday when it was only a possibility may either make people watch more news or less depending on people’s fears , we’ll see what happens. 

As far as Family Guy, I’ll  (or anyone can really depending on who sees the post first) keep asking so we can get that data because it’s important to know 

Intresting enough, my cable guide is showing old data and not the current lineup for this week. Hopefully they doesn’t throw people off

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Oh goodness, you're right!

It's only Monday (well, Tuesday morning ET), and a lot can happen between now and then, but I remember some recent times that it didn't. When GITS 2nd Gig got added to the lineup on 10/21-10/22, NONE of the shows had episode numbers on DirecTV. Considering that only Black Clover, JoJo, and Gundam IBO identify their episode number on-screen, that's a problem.

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9 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Considering that only Black Clover, JoJo, and Gundam IBO identify their episode number on-screen, that's a problem.

It has more to do with people watching an episode that naturally follows up on what they saw last week. Even casual viewers would be able to notice if they skipped one. Of course, some shows are episodic, and thus a little more resistant to this.

21 minutes ago, Daos said:

Hey now that Toonami airs Black Clover and they've proven they'll air literally anything....

Think we're in for "In another world with my smartphone?"

I think it's actually possible now.

If the show had at least some action, it was always possible. But if really are going the isekai route for Toonami, I would rather not mind watching Knight's & Magic again. 

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34 minutes ago, Blatch said:

It has more to do with people watching an episode that naturally follows up on what they saw last week. Even casual viewers would be able to notice if they skipped one. Of course, some shows are episodic, and thus a little more resistant to this.

If the show had at least some action, it was always possible. But if really are going the isekai route for Toonami, I would rather not mind watching Knight's & Magic again. 

It has to be pure action though, they don't seem to like any ecchi or harem stuff, and Smartphone is harem. 

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13 minutes ago, elfie said:

Darling needs to get dubbed first.

 

13 minutes ago, elfie said:

Darling needs to get dubbed first.

It is this simuldub season. 

If they get it I hope it’s not another instance of the dub being ahead on Funimation Now. I think anyone who was getting into Black Clover on Toonami jumped over there during the holiday break

 

EDIT: The dub actually starts next Thursday on FN. So a Toonami premiere isn’t happening looks like. This one looks like a new Eureka Seven

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Yeah, this is MUCH better than a year ago, well, for Dragon Ball Super, anyway:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-20-2018.html

Final Cable 2018 Jan 20.SAT

Yes indeed, Dragon Ball Super cracked a million for the first time in 2018, and also cracked 0.65 in 18-34 and 0.5 in 18-49, and almost everything else did better than last week as well:
LAST WEEK (1/13/18):

Adults 18-34
Show Rating Estimate Retention
DBS 0.45 306,000      N/A
DBZKFC 0.44 299,000 97.78%
BClover 0.36 245,000 81.82%
JoJo 0.26 177,000 72.22%
Gundam 0.25 170,000 96.15%
Lupin 0.29 197,000 116.00%
       
Adults 18-49
Show Rating Estimate Retention
DBS 0.37 474,000      N/A
DBZKFC 0.34 436,000 91.89%
BClover 0.29 372,000 85.29%
JoJo 0.21 269,000 72.41%
Gundam 0.19 244,000 90.48%
Lupin 0.21 269,000 110.53%

THIS WEEK (1/20/18):

Adults 18-34
Show Rating Estimate Retention
DBS 0.66 449,000      N/A
DBZKFC 0.49 333,000 74.24%
BClover 0.36 245,000 73.47%
JoJo 0.32 217,000 88.89%
Gundam 0.30 204,000 93.75%
Lupin 0.29 197,000 96.67%
       
Adults 18-49
Show Rating Estimate Retention
DBS 0.51 654,000      N/A
DBZKFC 0.39 500,000 76.47%
BClover 0.29 372,000 74.36%
JoJo 0.26 333,000 89.66%
Gundam 0.25 321,000 96.15%
Lupin 0.22 282,000 88.00%

Black Clover was flat in both key demographics, and Lupin was flat in 18-34, but everything else, improved markedly, even JoJo and Gundam!

Of course, only Lupin fell in total viewers; everything else was up either greatly in the case of the Dragon Balls, or slightly in the case of JoJo and Gundam.

Total Viewers
Show People Retention
DBS 1,068,000      N/A
DBZKFC 844,000 79.03%
BClover 626,000 74.17%
JoJo 540,000 86.26%
Gundam 502,000 92.96%
Lupin 419,000 83.47%

Finally, of course 18-49 rankings favored JoJo and Gundam markedly; let's just hope they can keep it up!

Adults 18-49
Show     Rank Change
DBS   #2 +1
DBZKFC   #6 +1
BClover   #17  -1
JoJo   #26 +10
Gundam   #35 +9
Lupin   #50  -16
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45 minutes ago, brianycpht said:

 

It is this simuldub season.

I am not sure I knew that.

Well Lupin arrived and left in a sputter and no one cared.  Then again, I knew about the old Lupin show airing on Toonami and didn't much care either. I just find it annoying that so many people over the years kept hailing the franchise and Toonami can't ever reflect that!  It's the same issue I take with KLK, or Space Dandy, or Soul Eater, or anything else!  Anime shows are praised for years and years yet Toonami can't SHOW that!

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20 minutes ago, elfie said:

I am not sure I knew that.

Well Lupin arrived and left in a sputter and no one cared.  Then again, I knew about the old Lupin show airing on Toonami and didn't much care either. I just find it annoying that so many people over the years kept hailing the franchise and Toonami can't ever reflect that!  It's the same issue I take with KLK, or Space Dandy, or Soul Eater, or anything else!  Anime shows are praised for years and years yet Toonami can't SHOW that!

That’s because by the time they get it most folks have seen it already.  Kill La Kill was one of the first anime to really get a following on legal channels like Hulu and Netflix, but that’s nothing compared to the depression from the online-only migration today.

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2 hours ago, Misaka said:

You read that manga as well?

Lol no? It was simuldubbed last season, or the season before. Whenever it aired. But yeah that crap got a simuldub. Hard to swallow.

Lupin is just another franchise no one in the US cares about it. It's just like Gundam.

Good to see BC committing viewer genocide. I'd hate to see them rewarded for that choice.

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20 minutes ago, Daos said:

Lol no? It was simuldubbed last season, or the season before. Whenever it aired. But yeah that crap got a simuldub. Hard to swallow.

Lupin is just another franchise no one in the US cares about it. It's just like Gundam.

Good to see BC committing viewer genocide. I'd hate to see them rewarded for that choice.

We're talking about this right?

https://myanimelist.net/manga/88467/Isekai_wa_Smartphone_to_Tomo_ni

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