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9 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

We are fucked. It’s like the Trusk/MuMp administration is intentionally trying to weaken our defenses against foreign threats 

because they are. 

smoke and mirrors, boys and girls, 

and people that try to tell folks 'don't worry. you worry too much.'

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Personally, I'm glad I've always done the 'send the refund check directly to me' thing regardless of what anyone thinks about the bank warning. I may have to wait a little bit to get anything but there's no info on any of my accounts floating around either. 

Someone needs to find out where Vance is hiding most of the time and who he is hanging out with. Yes, the VP is usually quiet in the background during most administrations but he's the shithead that wrote the intro to Project 2025 after all. Everyone watching Shitler destroying all these things and Husk gutting our info systems, what is Vance destroying? 

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1 hour ago, katt_goddess said:

Everyone watching Shitler destroying all these things and Husk gutting our info systems, what is Vance destroying? 

His own asshole from riding Peter Thiel's Aryan dick while this is all going om.

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12 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Immediately the DoJ released a statement threatening anyone getting in the way of Musk’s goons with getting arrested. Maybe you don’t realize but these are regular non political employees just trying to do their jobs. They take their oath seriously but in the scheme of things they are nobody. They have families to worry about and all that. Idk what action movies you been watching but this is the real world. In real life people that are desk jockeys don’t go around curb stomping people. 

What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice.

I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days.

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29 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice.

I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days.

You do realize people were out protesting so much today, right? Were you? Otherwise, it seems foolish to say that the fight is impotent. Since you're using those kind of terms, stop expecting premature ejaculation.

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39 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice.

I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days.

So get a group of like minded people and fight the way you think is best?

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53 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice.

I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days.

not everybody. i've been fighting it since november. there are so many things you can do....just in your own community. don't have to curb stomp. don't have to yell and scream. sometimes, just making sure someone has a meal and shoes and a jacket, is enough to piss off the absolute right kind of fascist.  and i'm just getting started. 

i'm not tooting my own horn, i'm saying enough bitching is enough. time for action. time to be useful. 

iono...try it. 

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On 2/4/2025 at 9:51 PM, naraku360 said:

The comment literally said they are most concerned about poor handling of data more than theft from within.

yeah no, i still read the comment. and it still doesn't change the op being fearmongery.

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14 hours ago, discolé monade said:

see, that's the whole point. if people are concerned -- and rightfully so -- why peddle more fearmongery bs that's simply not a real threat? all they're doing with that is adding yet another layer of anxiety onto an already scared populace.

you can call it obtuse all you want, but i'm not in the biz of scaring people into activism. good to see you too.

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14 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Oh so you’re fine with everything that’s going on even though you have no clue what his intentions on. Go back to wtf you were before coming back here. 

oof, salty. nobody living in reality is fine with everything that's going on right now. even if elon's intentions are 100% shitstain evil (which i doubt but you don't care about that), there are still rules in place that simply can't be waived away via EO. stop spreading shit that scares stupid people.

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13 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

I guess when Wacky gets notifications that his data was breached (we all got one of those at least) he just does nothing. 🤷‍♀️

sure, we'll play this out. i got compromised in the experian breach in 2017. i lost every fucking shred of my personals. someone tried to apply for unemployment, at the place i was still working. i had to freeze my credit. i had to file tax docs to prevent fraudulent returns filed under my ID. i had to cancel all my credit and debit cards, and change all my deposit accounts (an ACTUAL reason to do so).

at the end of the day, my entire personal / financial record was worth about $100 in settlement disbursements. 

kindly, bite this ass.

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3 minutes ago, wacky1980 said:

fair enough. i guess in order to avoid getting too far into the weeds, the easiest response is, can he do that much worse than the old guard? but before you answer that, let me remind you that the answer is "maybe yeah".

Yeah, pretty much where I'm at.

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23 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

I don't think being sleptical of Elon's level of responsibility is fearmongering when he is regularly rresponsible.

we would agree here. but that doesn't change the fact that elon could blow up the entire treasury, and yet the FED would still have rules in place.

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4 minutes ago, wacky1980 said:

we would agree here. but that doesn't change the fact that elon could blow up the entire treasury, and yet the FED would still have rules in place.

I have very limited faith in the powers that be these days....

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1 minute ago, naraku360 said:

I have very limited faith in the powers that be these days....

the FED is extra-governmental. they'll be the last pillar to topple. you'd be better off spending your energy on the fear of a canuck invasion.

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43 minutes ago, wacky1980 said:

fair enough. i guess in order to avoid getting too far into the weeds, the easiest response is, can he do that much worse than the old guard? but before you answer that, let me remind you that the answer is "maybe yeah".

You’re conflating a systemic security breach with a personnel breach.  Most Americans live with the specter of an aging computer code that’s exploited or a network that’s overloaded.  But those  are singular flaws in highly complex processes; hackers, even state sanctioned, work in teams continuously over months to find the proverbial needle in a haystack.

A human security breech is a variable that is reactive and unpredictable.  Humans don’t make the same mistake in the same situation because their frame of mind is constantly in flux.  Nine of ten times you won’t click on an email that’s an obvious phishing scam, but that tenth time may coincide with a distraction that impedes your ability to see the scam or there’s a particular phrase that changes the scam enough to create a blind spot that affects only you.  One hacker sending a limited rotation of phishing emails relentlessly to a known bunch of inexperienced kids is going to have about the same degree of success as the team of hackers.

Add to that the fact that a human has access to multiple networks in a compact and convenient way that a server does not.  This is a human with access to multiple critical networks at once.

So, no, it’s not maybe worse, it’s definitively and objectively worse.

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1 hour ago, wacky1980 said:

the FED is extra-governmental. they'll be the last pillar to topple. you'd be better off spending your energy on the fear of a canuck invasion.

My problem is more in terms of their ability to hold those in power accountable. I'm of the opinion that not only Trump, but really every president in my lifetime would be behind bars in a reasonable world. Trump is the most egregious in how dangerous a person I view him and his sycophants to be, however I include Democrats in my statement. All these people are war criminals.

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5 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

You’re conflating a systemic security breach with a personnel breach.  Most Americans live with the specter of an aging computer code that’s exploited or a network that’s overloaded.  But those  are singular flaws in highly complex processes; hackers, even state sanctioned, work in teams continuously over months to find the proverbial needle in a haystack.

A human security breech is a variable that is reactive and unpredictable.  Humans don’t make the same mistake in the same situation because their frame of mind is constantly in flux.  Nine of ten times you won’t click on an email that’s an obvious phishing scam, but that tenth time may coincide with a distraction that impedes your ability to see the scam or there’s a particular phrase that changes the scam enough to create a blind spot that affects only you.  One hacker sending a limited rotation of phishing emails relentlessly to a known bunch of inexperienced kids is going to have about the same degree of success as the team of hackers.

Add to that the fact that a human has access to multiple networks in a compact and convenient way that a server does not.  This is a human with access to multiple critical networks at once.

So, no, it’s not maybe worse, it’s definitively and objectively worse.

It's like how you don't have to be stupid to fall for a scam. I've fallen for them as a matter of recognizing the risk but giving the wrong person the benefit of the doubt, and out of ignorance, and out of emotion. But broadly speaking, most people are able to recognize when something is off, it won't prevent them from having weaknesses that someone will find to exploit.

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9 hours ago, wacky1980 said:

see, that's the whole point. if people are concerned -- and rightfully so -- why peddle more fearmongery bs that's simply not a real threat? all they're doing with that is adding yet another layer of anxiety onto an already scared populace.

you can call it obtuse all you want, but i'm not in the biz of scaring people into activism. good to see you too.

fair enough. but in my case, i'm plenty scared. i posted somewhere...probably the musky thread, but my acces to my v.a. information has been halted. there is no reason for that to be the case. i've been using the new/required login (login.gov)  for over 3months, an just as recently as 2 weeks ago, where  i requested my last optic exam, so i can pay for some more, now, [...and this is odd,] i never recieved an email saying they got the secure message. i went back (2 weeks ago) and there was no sign of a message, or any past messages, for that matter. yesterday i get a letter with the information, again, a message would have been sent through the system, letting me know why i'm getting a hard copy. 
glitch? maybe , but then i read that musky musk and his funky bunch has everyone's info, and they've able to hack into the current server, and recode the $$ routings systems, which includes....you guessed it, my pay. it's ok, i'm prepared, i've been prepared, since the felon was placed on his throne. 

so you call it fearmongery (which if i had even just 100's of 1000's of $$ in an account, i would do some drastic changes. sometimes it's better to allow the person to rant that fear, then try to explain...cordially, what steps would be better to take.

how's the beer garden?  

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9 hours ago, wacky1980 said:

oof, salty. nobody living in reality is fine with everything that's going on right now. even if elon's intentions are 100% shitstain evil (which i doubt but you don't care about that), there are still rules in place that simply can't be waived away via EO. stop spreading shit that scares stupid people.

You’re the only one scared idiot because most other people read the entire fuckin thing,  you fuckin Packard and MD had a baby, and out shot you. 

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Been listening and thinking about what Musk is really after in getting access to the payment system, and the thing that I've heard that makes the most sense to me is kind of the most obvious I think. He's looking to monetize it, but not by doing something as obviously illegal as messing with people's bank accounts or anything like that. I think that idea is pretty farfetched. Not so much that it would be impossible for him to do it necessarily, but just it would make no sense that he would ever try something like that when there's a much more attractive and safer alternative for him. Just the data itself is worth its weight in gold. Okay, so it doesn't have any actual weight cuz it's data, but you know what I mean.

https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2025/02/blog-what-will-elon-musk-and-his-tech-bros-do-with-your-personal-data/

Since Musk acquired X, he has promoted turning the social media platform into a financial services “everything app” including banking services and virtual payment platform that would encompass your “entire financial life.”  This business model is not unlike the massive and dominant financial services payment apps in China like WeChat and AliPay that blur the lines between banking and commerce. 

Former Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) Director Rohit Chopra, whom Trump fired on Saturday, has warned that these apps have become state surveillance tools that closely monitor the lives of Chinese people. Musk has developed this plan for years, acquiring money service transmitter licenses in multiple states. And, just a week a ago, X signed a deal to partner with Visa to provide peer-to-peer payments for tasks like splitting bills with friends or buying a coffee by connecting to people’s debit cards and bank accounts, which represents the first step in actually creating Musk’s long-sought, Chinese-inspired platform. 

And what might give Musk’s newly muscular social media-payments platform a critical edge in a market filled with other powerful banks and financial services companies? Well, access to the federal payment data and sensitive personal information of tens of millions of Americans just might do the trick. Combining that data with what X already extracts and Musk’s Starlink satellite internet usage data would then create a powerful, textured, database of private information on all of us. 

They've been trying to assuage people's fears saying he was only give read-only access, but that's all he really needs. He is the exact type of person this information is supposed to be kept away from at all costs and why all this really should be scaring the shit out of people. With every story the last couple weeks, I keep hearing one thing echoing over an over again in my mind: "Big Brother is watching you." Trump may be something of a buffoon, who's mostly just concerned with always being the center of attention, but he's the perfect smokescreen for a guy like Musk whose ambitions appear far grander and much more dangerous. He is exactly the type of would-be tyrant Orwell was warning us about.

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13 hours ago, wacky1980 said:

even if elon's intentions are 100% shitstain evil (which i doubt but you don't care about that), 

I'll bite and preface the question only in one way: what is the richest man on Earth currently doing that suggests his intentions aren't 100% evil?

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9 hours ago, naraku360 said:

It's like how you don't have to be stupid to fall for a scam. I've fallen for them as a matter of recognizing the risk but giving the wrong person the benefit of the doubt, and out of ignorance, and out of emotion. But broadly speaking, most people are able to recognize when something is off, it won't prevent them from having weaknesses that someone will find to exploit.

Exactly:  It's really easy to have it happen without you being gullible.  I get like five or six of them a day, and they're all easy to spot.  However, I wasn't really paying attention a month or so ago, and I got a random text from a highway toll agency (I thought) and I mindlessly clicked on it with my credit card info only to be snapped back to reality when my credit cards didn't work.  Only then did I start paying attention.

Its compounded by the fact that you can't just dismiss a phishing email out of hand  - you have to actually read the thing and double check the information on it (without opening any links or attached files of course) before deleting it.  Utilities, city governments, the IRS and the state all send bill reminders  by email and text in addition to credit card companies, so you have to actually take a look before dropping it in the trash.  If you're like me and in a hurry, it take a matter of minutes to brainlessly click on it and end up exposing yourself.

Now, imaging some dudebro that's just out of college and overwhelmed...

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4 hours ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

Been listening and thinking about what Musk is really after in getting access to the payment system, and the thing that I've heard that makes the most sense to me is kind of the most obvious I think. He's looking to monetize it, but not by doing something as obviously illegal as messing with people's bank accounts or anything like that. I think that idea is pretty farfetched. Not so much that it would be impossible for him to do it necessarily, but just it would make no sense that he would ever try something like that when there's a much more attractive and safer alternative for him. Just the data itself is worth its weight in gold. Okay, so it doesn't have any actual weight cuz it's data, but you know what I mean.

https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2025/02/blog-what-will-elon-musk-and-his-tech-bros-do-with-your-personal-data/

Since Musk acquired X, he has promoted turning the social media platform into a financial services “everything app” including banking services and virtual payment platform that would encompass your “entire financial life.”  This business model is not unlike the massive and dominant financial services payment apps in China like WeChat and AliPay that blur the lines between banking and commerce. 

Former Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) Director Rohit Chopra, whom Trump fired on Saturday, has warned that these apps have become state surveillance tools that closely monitor the lives of Chinese people. Musk has developed this plan for years, acquiring money service transmitter licenses in multiple states. And, just a week a ago, X signed a deal to partner with Visa to provide peer-to-peer payments for tasks like splitting bills with friends or buying a coffee by connecting to people’s debit cards and bank accounts, which represents the first step in actually creating Musk’s long-sought, Chinese-inspired platform. 

And what might give Musk’s newly muscular social media-payments platform a critical edge in a market filled with other powerful banks and financial services companies? Well, access to the federal payment data and sensitive personal information of tens of millions of Americans just might do the trick. Combining that data with what X already extracts and Musk’s Starlink satellite internet usage data would then create a powerful, textured, database of private information on all of us. 

They've been trying to assuage people's fears saying he was only give read-only access, but that's all he really needs. He is the exact type of person this information is supposed to be kept away from at all costs and why all this really should be scaring the shit out of people. With every story the last couple weeks, I keep hearing one thing echoing over an over again in my mind: "Big Brother is watching you." Trump may be something of a buffoon, who's mostly just concerned with always being the center of attention, but he's the perfect smokescreen for a guy like Musk whose ambitions appear far grander and much more dangerous. He is exactly the type of would-be tyrant Orwell was warning us about.

People forget that Musk didn't invent his way into big tech - he started out by creating a startup digital wallet service that ended up being bought out by what is now PayPal.  HIs focus has always been on creating a digital financial service, and it sometimes gets overshadowed by his foray into SpaceX and his eventual investment in Tesla.

Little known fact:  he's a graduate of Wharton, just like Trump. If that doesn't tell you the quality of his financial acumen, I know a man in NJ who is a big wheel in the silver market.

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5 hours ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

Been listening and thinking about what Musk is really after in getting access to the payment system, and the thing that I've heard that makes the most sense to me is kind of the most obvious I think. He's looking to monetize it, but not by doing something as obviously illegal as messing with people's bank accounts or anything like that. I think that idea is pretty farfetched. Not so much that it would be impossible for him to do it necessarily, but just it would make no sense that he would ever try something like that when there's a much more attractive and safer alternative for him. Just the data itself is worth its weight in gold. Okay, so it doesn't have any actual weight cuz it's data, but you know what I mean.

https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2025/02/blog-what-will-elon-musk-and-his-tech-bros-do-with-your-personal-data/

Since Musk acquired X, he has promoted turning the social media platform into a financial services “everything app” including banking services and virtual payment platform that would encompass your “entire financial life.”  This business model is not unlike the massive and dominant financial services payment apps in China like WeChat and AliPay that blur the lines between banking and commerce. 

Former Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) Director Rohit Chopra, whom Trump fired on Saturday, has warned that these apps have become state surveillance tools that closely monitor the lives of Chinese people. Musk has developed this plan for years, acquiring money service transmitter licenses in multiple states. And, just a week a ago, X signed a deal to partner with Visa to provide peer-to-peer payments for tasks like splitting bills with friends or buying a coffee by connecting to people’s debit cards and bank accounts, which represents the first step in actually creating Musk’s long-sought, Chinese-inspired platform. 

And what might give Musk’s newly muscular social media-payments platform a critical edge in a market filled with other powerful banks and financial services companies? Well, access to the federal payment data and sensitive personal information of tens of millions of Americans just might do the trick. Combining that data with what X already extracts and Musk’s Starlink satellite internet usage data would then create a powerful, textured, database of private information on all of us. 

They've been trying to assuage people's fears saying he was only give read-only access, but that's all he really needs. He is the exact type of person this information is supposed to be kept away from at all costs and why all this really should be scaring the shit out of people. With every story the last couple weeks, I keep hearing one thing echoing over an over again in my mind: "Big Brother is watching you." Trump may be something of a buffoon, who's mostly just concerned with always being the center of attention, but he's the perfect smokescreen for a guy like Musk whose ambitions appear far grander and much more dangerous. He is exactly the type of would-be tyrant Orwell was warning us about.

That's a fair guess. Trump wants approval, and act with extreme ill-will for opposition. I don't think Musk is the super-genius people think, and in some regards he's a total moron, but he's much smarter than Trump.

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On 2/2/2025 at 10:45 AM, discolé monade said:

you are not alone.

 

 

i had asked a question after the elections,[about what i was seeing on the tiktok, before i deleted it-and facebook- this is my only thing, for whatever this is XD], but it was in regards to start sending texts encrypted, which i know nothing about, and to get a vpn...again, i have a lap top. i'm still waiting for any news article to pop up, before that kind of useful media is gone. 

i have always thought about purchasing an ameuteur radio. i have some basic comm. skills, how hard can it be to learn morse code?

i'm semi/super cereal. 

if i won the lottery,  i wouldn't tell a soul.....

but there'd be signs. 

My family is stocking up on food, getting a garden ready and getting community garden spaces where we can. I don't expect there to be some sort of collapse in the food supply or nuclear war but I see paying way more for necessities being a possibility. We've even talked about learning to make our own clothes if need be.

I'm actually extra nervous because I work for a nonprofit that operates Head Starts, Food Pantry and LIHEAPs. We're apparently operating at the whim of DOGE right now. So I'm looking at expanding my skill set because I'm fortunate enough to be GenX around a lot of Boomers, GenXers and Millennials that still don't understand website design, communications and coding.

I'm also looking at open source and fediverse options over the oligarch social media. Media we like, looking at physical stuff like DVDs. 

It's doubly scary because I just bought my first house and have kids.

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1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

People forget that Musk didn't invent his way into big tech - he started out by creating a startup digital wallet service that ended up being bought out by what is now PayPal.  HIs focus has always been on creating a digital financial service, and it sometimes gets overshadowed by his foray into SpaceX and his eventual investment in Tesla.

Little known fact:  he's a graduate of Wharton, just like Trump. If that doesn't tell you the quality of his financial acumen, I know a man in NJ who is a big wheel in the silver market.

Musk's greatest asset has been his ability to convince people he's a genius. The mask is coming off there and when it finally falls, there's just a really unlikeable guy that never shuts up and has managed to create an army of simps. 

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5 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

For fun, let's think of funny and nasty nicknames for Trump's enablers that Democrats still think they're too classy to sink to. I thought of one today: Hawk Tuah Hawley -- cause, you know, when Trump's around ... 

Yeah.......

 

 

We'll work on it, alright?

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1 hour ago, _lost_username_ said:

Musk's greatest asset has been his ability to convince people he's a genius. The mask is coming off there and when it finally falls, there's just a really unlikeable guy that never shuts up and has managed to create an army of simps. 

Convincing everyone that he or she is a genius is a common feature of the self-made success story that the proletariate idolizes and is emblematic of a select group of thoroughly unlikeable assholes.  A lot is made of the fact that he isn't the engineering genius he presents himself as, but that's almost beside the point because success at the upper echelons of the corporate leadership is entirely dependent on one's ability to mesmerize investors.  Musk would be an excellent CEO if he didn't  defeat himself with ill thought out words and action.  He's hardly the only successful CEO that stumped for and supported Trump.

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1 hour ago, _lost_username_ said:

My family is stocking up on food, getting a garden ready and getting community garden spaces where we can. I don't expect there to be some sort of collapse in the food supply or nuclear war but I see paying way more for necessities being a possibility. We've even talked about learning to make our own clothes if need be.

I'm actually extra nervous because I work for a nonprofit that operates Head Starts, Food Pantry and LIHEAPs. We're apparently operating at the whim of DOGE right now. So I'm looking at expanding my skill set because I'm fortunate enough to be GenX around a lot of Boomers, GenXers and Millennials that still don't understand website design, communications and coding.

I'm also looking at open source and fediverse options over the oligarch social media. Media we like, looking at physical stuff like DVDs. 

It's doubly scary because I just bought my first house and have kids.

get a grant writer, if you don't already have one. 

the private sector. 

i'm not saying don't apply for the fed./state grants, just know that comes with obvious eyes on all ....big brother and all that jazz. ESPECIALLY NOW.

everyone that's been watching knows. i'm trying, my very damndest to get through this book, but, like yesterday, we had a dinner plate fundraiser/cooking all day, and some of the day prior. and that will be a monthly thing...but i digress.

i'm currently trying to compose a solicitation to the city council for approval for fruit trees, and a community garden, in the couny seat...

but i digress.

if musky musk and the funky bunch can take the bull in a china shop approach: break shit to get through, then fix it.  then so can i...

 

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