Distortedreasoning Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, stilgar said: Yes, you have been regurgitating Russian propaganda since 2014. everything that doesnt fit US narrative is not "russian propaganda". but what can you expect from a boot licker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: everything that doesnt fit US narrative is not "russian propaganda". But the nonsense you post most definitely is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, scoobdog said: But the nonsense you post most definitely is. says pro imperialist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: says pro imperialist. I like that you don't think Russian imperialism isn't imperialism because America bad. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberbully Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: everything that doesnt fit US narrative is not "russian propaganda". but what can you expect from a boot licker. You've done little to convince me that you know the difference. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, stilgar said: I like that you don't think Russian imperialism isn't imperialism because America bad. i like that you protect america and dont criticize anything it does but jump at the first chance you get to criticize other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, cyberbully said: You've done little to convince me that you know the difference. i aint trying to convince you or anyone of anything, just making conversation. but this place aint interested in opposing views. i know i should know better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: i aint trying to convince you or anyone of anything, just making conversation. but this place aint interested in opposing views. i know i should know better. Opposing views have to be logically supported if they’re to be taken seriously. No one disputes the need to be wary of the government’s intentions or the potential for abuse. You framing it as an imperialistic expansion just because we’re selling our old artillery to a nation that is fighting for its survival does not constitute a sound logical argument. Frankly, if this is the best you can do, you really should stop trying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 46 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: i like that you protect america and dont criticize anything it does but jump at the first chance you get to criticize other countries. Oh, I criticize America a lot. It ain't my fault you choose not to see it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: i aint trying to convince you or anyone of anything, just making conversation. but this place aint interested in opposing views. i know i should know better. Go have a private conversation with nabs if that is what you are doing. We don't give a shit about your hard on for Russia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 9 hours ago, stilgar said: I like that you don't think Russian imperialism isn't imperialism because America bad. This is exactly it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: i like that you protect america and dont criticize anything it does but jump at the first chance you get to criticize other countries. I feel like this is a verbatim line from a tankie who has been in a pro-Russian echo chamber for a long time. Most of the folks disagreeing with the "Russia should just have its imperial gains in Ukraine" also don't agree with US foreign policy or western hegemony. Russia should leave Ukraine alone period. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-kremlin-1745631?utm_source=Flipboard&utm_medium=App&utm_campaign=Partnerships Russian equipment continues to be destroyed at a rather unusually rapid rate, which makes me wonder where the Russians will be getting their new supplies from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBluntsworth Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, matrixman124 said: also don't agree with US foreign policy or western hegemony. Russia should leave Ukraine alone period. This imperialist world police-mindset from America is going to cause a nuclear war, but at least these pro-Ukrainian war Americans will be able to say it was all Putin's fault and yes, that is what you are if you support America's ongoing bloodletting policy of infinite billions for war and weapons going to our mess that we instigated in Ukraine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, scoobdog said: Opposing views have to be logically supported if they’re to be taken seriously. No one disputes the need to be wary of the government’s intentions or the potential for abuse. You framing it as an imperialistic expansion just because we’re selling our old artillery to a nation that is fighting for its survival does not constitute a sound logical argument. Frankly, if this is the best you can do, you really should stop trying. Isn't this the guy who insisted neither China nor N. Korea are surveillance states? And that Wiki is anti-China on the basis of them removing pro-China sentiment when it's supposed to be a neutral source? And when asked for a source of his claim, he vaguely gestured at Google despite the fact he was being asked because Google had not found anything? Good times.... Edited September 23, 2022 by naraku360 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, NewBluntsworth said: This imperialist world police-mindset from America is going to cause a nuclear war, but at least these pro-Ukrainian war Americans will be able to say it was all Putin's fault and yes, that is what you are if you support America's ongoing bloodletting policy of infinite billions for war and weapons going to our mess that we instigated in Ukraine. Who forced Putin to invade Ukraine? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 12 hours ago, stilgar said: Oh, I criticize America a lot. It ain't my fault you choose not to see it. I will confirm that Stilgar has said shitty things about America in the past and has also said why he felt that way about whatever the topic of the time was. 3 hours ago, Jman said: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-kremlin-1745631?utm_source=Flipboard&utm_medium=App&utm_campaign=Partnerships Russian equipment continues to be destroyed at a rather unusually rapid rate, which makes me wonder where the Russians will be getting their new supplies from. Back of comic books where all the good stuff hid and the prices were always within allowance range if you were one of those lucky bastards that got an allowance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 So apparently Twitch banned an account that was streaming a gas stove burning with a caption reading 1.44 euro/mo. The account was presumed to be a troll aimed at Europe which is suffering a massive hike in energy prices as well as shortages and government encouraged "austerity". The shortages are triggering recessionary signs in several countries, with Germany reporting a 45.8% spike in production prices in one month. Don't rely on Russia for energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 And ABC reported they're showing the residents what box to check... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Ginguy said: So apparently Twitch banned an account that was streaming a gas stove burning with a caption reading 1.44 euro/mo. The account was presumed to be a troll aimed at Europe which is suffering a massive hike in energy prices as well as shortages and government encouraged "austerity". The shortages are triggering recessionary signs in several countries, with Germany reporting a 45.8% spike in production prices in one month. Don't rely on Russia for energy. The fact this is the most substantial thing you're able to say about politics is truly hilarious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, tsar4 said: And ABC reported they're showing the residents what box to check... Quote Ukraine 'referendums': Soldiers go door-to-door for votes in polls Ukrainians have reported armed soldiers going door-to-door in occupied parts of the country to collect votes for self-styled "referendums" on joining Russia. "You have to answer verbally and the soldier marks the answer on the sheet and keeps it," one woman in Enerhodar told the BBC. In southern Kherson, Russian guardsmen stood with a ballot box in the middle of the city to collect people's votes. The door-to-door voting is for "security", Russian state media says. Now that's the kind of election security we need in the US. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBluntsworth Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, naraku360 said: The fact this is the most substantial thing you're able to say about politics is truly hilarious. The only thing (I think) I've seen cringuy really say ITT was ofc toeing the bipartisan/American media line supporting America heavily arming & directing Ukraine in its war against Russia which would quickly be over if not for American involvement, but he was pessimistic that president Brandon would have the noble rightness to follow through with military support and was worried that we might abandon Ukraine by not keeping the war flowing when the going gets tough, something like that. Edited September 23, 2022 by NewBluntsworth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said: The only thing (I think) I've seen cringuy really say ITT was ofc toeing the bipartisan/American media line supporting America heavily arming & directing Ukraine in its war against Russia which would quickly be over if not for American involvement, but he was pessimistic that president Brandon would have the noble rightness to follow through with military support and was worried that we might abandon Ukraine by not keeping the war flowing when the going gets tough, something like that. So what would you have done if Russia had been able to lay siege on Kyiv and force a surrender? Would that be worth celebrating? What if it resulted in Russia placing soldiers on the border with NATO states? (Remember Ukraine wasn't a member because of it's role as a buffer with Russia) Ukraine giving up brings us closer to WW3. If you don't think so that is naive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said: The only thing (I think) I've seen cringuy really say ITT was ofc toeing the bipartisan/American media line supporting America heavily arming & directing Ukraine in its war against Russia which would quickly be over if not for American involvement, but he was pessimistic that president Brandon would have the noble rightness to follow through with military support and was worried that we might abandon Ukraine by not keeping the war flowing when the going gets tough, something like that. So you want Russia to succeed? Is that what you're saying? Speaking of cringe, "Brandon"? Who do you think you're triggering? Nobody gives a fuck. It's just fucking lame. I get that the US has done some shady shit but this is this and that is that. Ukraine was getting attacked by a piece of shit dictator, asked for help and we delivered. It's not like we started or instigated the war. We didn't invade Russia. We're lending support to Ukraine so they can protect themselves from Russia. What's your problem? What do you not get about this? How many more times are we going to argue in circles? Edited September 24, 2022 by Sieg67 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, Sieg67 said: So you want Russia to succeed? Is that what you're saying? Speaking of cringe, "Brandon"? Who do you think you're triggering? Nobody gives a fuck. It's just fucking lame. I get that the US has done some shady shit but this is this and that is that. Ukraine was getting attacked by a piece of shit dictator, asked for help and we delivered. It's not like we started or instigated the war. We didn't invade Russia. We're lending support to Ukraine so they can protect themselves from Russia. What's your problem? What do you not get about this? How many more times are we going to argue in circles? Yes, but have you ever considered America bad? Think about it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, stilgar said: Yes, but have you ever considered America bad? Think about it. Oh damn. Didn't even think about that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On topic, the US and other countries are helping the Ukraine because everyone understands the concept of "A stronger Russia would be difficult to stop if they wanted...literally any of the other countries that made up the Soviet Union, because they'd have more resources and manpower to draw from." Slightly off-topic-ish: 1 hour ago, NewBluntsworth said: president Brandon I would like to point out btw that the guy at the center of that chant went in less than a year from "Xfinity Series race winning driver" to "He has to drive other slightly shittier cars while a pay driver drives his team's car." So as per usual if you're not actually Trump all MAGA can do is ruin you, not help you in any way. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted September 24, 2022 Author Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) In another video taken by a Russian soldier, he showed the AKs they were given...all rusty. Edited September 24, 2022 by tsar4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) There's now a draft in Russia for anybody between the ages of 18 and 60. Russia claims this was only for people with prior military service but reports say this isn't true. Random citizens are being nabbed off the streets and enlisted. Russians started fleeing the country to avoid the draft and airlines have been ordered to block citizens from the ages mentioned earlier from leaving. The penalty for refusing to serve and desertion has been stiffened to 10 years in prison. Putin went into hiding after large protests formed. It's doubtful this draft is going to be helpful as the newly drafted citizens will need training and it's not likely that they'll have the motivation to fight. Zelensky is offering protections for Russian soldiers who surrender. Edited September 25, 2022 by Sieg67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 12:01 AM, stilgar said: Oh, I criticize America a lot. It ain't my fault you choose not to see it. im not gonna follow you around like you follow me around. show me examples if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 11:54 PM, scoobdog said: Opposing views have to be logically supported if they’re to be taken seriously. No one disputes the need to be wary of the government’s intentions or the potential for abuse. You framing it as an imperialistic expansion just because we’re selling our old artillery to a nation that is fighting for its survival does not constitute a sound logical argument. Frankly, if this is the best you can do, you really should stop trying. i know how this place works. saw you a few post before already trying to discredit nabs link that countered your point. i post my links you gonna say something along the lines of "not credible". be honest, this entire topic is nothing but supporting the nato/west line of russia bad. no other narratives allowed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 12:02 AM, stilgar said: Go have a private conversation with nabs if that is what you are doing. We don't give a shit about your hard on for Russia. nah you do, cant stay off my nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 8:17 AM, matrixman124 said: I feel like this is a verbatim line from a tankie who has been in a pro-Russian echo chamber for a long time. Most of the folks disagreeing with the "Russia should just have its imperial gains in Ukraine" also don't agree with US foreign policy or western hegemony. Russia should leave Ukraine alone period. why is it so hard for people here to admit of interference from US/west alliance? at the very least acknowledge that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Influence from America: https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-using-tucker-carlson-clips-promote-war-unrest-grows-1746067 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: why is it so hard for people here to admit of interference from US/west alliance? at the very least acknowledge that point. The fact that you folks keep bringing that up when we all have acknowledged that the US has been actively influencing Ukrainian politics and arming/training it's military (including several Nazi militias we know). A proxy war can also be a war for Ukraine's survival. Make accusations you can back up please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 12:16 PM, katt_goddess said: I will confirm that Stilgar has said shitty things about America in the past and has also said why he felt that way about whatever the topic of the time was. Back of comic books where all the good stuff hid and the prices were always within allowance range if you were one of those lucky bastards that got an allowance. i aint never seen him call out america for its foreign policy. calling out america for domestic issues is like minimum requirement. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Distortedreasoning said: i aint never seen him call out america for its foreign policy. calling out america for domestic issues is like minimum requirement. You right now: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: The fact that you folks keep bringing that up when we all have acknowledged that the US has been actively influencing Ukrainian politics and arming/training it's military (including several Nazi militias we know). A proxy war can also be a war for Ukraine's survival. Make accusations you can back up please. you folks? then why not the same fervor for the west you are showing russia? like yeah the west provoked this, aint no big deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: nah you do, cant stay off my nuts. Lol, wut? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Distortedreasoning said: you folks? then why not the same fervor for the west you are showing russia? like yeah the west provoked this, aint no big deal? The idea that the west's role in this absolves Russia of all responsibility is pretty hilarious. The US and Russia are both bad right? But see one of them is helping Ukraine to defend itself and the other one is trying to take Ukraine. There is a difference here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBluntsworth Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: The fact that you folks keep bringing that up when we all have acknowledged that the US has been actively influencing Ukrainian politics and arming/training it's military (including several Nazi militias we know). A proxy war can also be a war for Ukraine's survival. Make accusations you can back up please. So, did you look into that US-backed coup that you said the other day you didn't know a lot about? On 9/23/2022 at 7:58 PM, matrixman124 said: So what would you have done if Russia had been able to lay siege on Kyiv and force a surrender? Would that be worth celebrating? What if it resulted in Russia placing soldiers on the border with NATO states? (Remember Ukraine wasn't a member because of it's role as a buffer with Russia) Yeah I mean that scenario sounds better to me than this endless war and famine that we're seeing bc the US and its friends never saw a war they didn't like. Hundreds of millions of people across the world now at risk of starvation because of this prolonged war. I understand it makes tubby white guys in America mad but Kyiv falling early and sparing us all that war and misery and death is a compromise I am willing to live with. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/warns-345-million-people-marching-starvation-89993780 "Russia placing soldiers on the border with NATO states" buddy, the fact that Ukraine now borders NATO states is only helping to make my point for me. The US/NATO encroaching into Soviet territory and adding all these poor countries to its sphere of influence for the express purpose of fucking with Russia (which is the purpose of NATO) highlights the western imperialism that instigated this war. Y'all can keep crying about Russian imperialism and Ukraine's agency all you want but it doesn't erase the lawless unaccountable endlessly warmongering global hegemon superpower that has the entire world in its iron grip. Which countries have any "agency" under the rule of this empire, when on a whim the US can go in and invade whoever whenever, special military operations in 200+ countries every year, endless coups and coup attempts, arming radical right-wing militias all across the world, drones and missiles and mercenaries and CIA infiltrators all over the world doing the evil empire's bidding. But yeah, Russia responding to these conditions is what threatens the fake norm of national sovereignty that we're all apparently going to pretend the US *ever* regarded, at any point in its history. Edited September 25, 2022 by NewBluntsworth 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, stilgar said: Lol, wut? you pop up whenever i post russia related content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBluntsworth Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: But see one of them is helping Ukraine to defend itself and the other one is trying to take Ukraine. There is a difference here. One of them orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2014 that saw far right paramilitaries and Nazi militias overthrow their elected govt because of economic policy decisions that were disliked USA and the EU. The other is responding to the ensuing war and heightening Nazi threat that has been raging just across its border for the last eight years, but you don't know or care about any of that bc it wasn't on the news in America. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Distortedreasoning said: i aint never seen him call out america for its foreign policy. calling out america for domestic issues is like minimum requirement. Criticism is criticism. You claimed he never had anything bad to say about America, I say differently and that criticism has happened. But as far as the topic of this thread goes, I find it hard to believe that anyone would have such a hate boner that they would willingly come into this thread and defend the invasion of another country [ including defending the rapes of 4 year olds at the most recent reporting which is apparently the acceptable behavior of the invaders and which none of the Russia Good! defenders have actually even acknowledged ] and keep insisting that anyone against Russia's actions is somehow a cheerleader for the American version of imperialism. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: The idea that the west's role in this absolves Russia of all responsibility is pretty hilarious. The US and Russia are both bad right? But see one of them is helping Ukraine to defend itself and the other one is trying to take Ukraine. There is a difference here. what would you do in russias situation? nato, which should have been dissolved post soviet collapse, and has promised not to expand east of germany, has been expanding towards russia's border. the US has overthrown the legitimate government of your neighbor and has destabilize the region. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: you pop up whenever i post russia related content. In a thread I have been posting in since the beginning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Distortedreasoning said: what would you do in russias situation? nato, which should have been dissolved post soviet collapse, and has promised not to expand east of germany, has been expanding towards russia's border. the US has overthrown the legitimate government of your neighbor and has destabilize the region. Lol, brain corrupted by Russian propaganda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said: 8 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said: One of them orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2014 that saw far right paramilitaries and Nazi militias overthrow their elected govt because of economic policy decisions that were disliked USA and the EU. The other is responding to the ensuing war and heightening Nazi threat that has been raging just across its border for the last eight years, but you don't know or care about any of that bc it wasn't on the news in America. So a truly unbiased take on this would be to take both sides into account. And I have done that - I acknowledge that Ukraine is a US proxy instead of a Russia proxy (it'll always be one or the other). I acknowledge that the west AND Russia have both been escalating tensions over the border for years. And guess what? Russia is still actively invading another sovereign country and committing war crimes. This does not absolve them of anything. The west shouldn't have backed the 2014 coup either but that doesn't make the invasion okay. Edited September 25, 2022 by matrixman124 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBluntsworth Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: including defending the rapes of 4 year olds at the most recent reporting which is apparently the acceptable behavior of the invaders and which none of the Russia Good! defenders have actually even acknowledged ] These horrors happen in every war. This is why it is important to oppose war, and not support war while rooting for America to "win" as so many of you are doing. Do you know anything about what the people of Afghanistan have been through the last 20 years? Rapes galore but I never once saw you say a word about that. 9 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: and keep insisting that anyone against Russia's actions is somehow a cheerleader for the American version of imperialism. I'm against Russia's actions, it is possible and in fact quite easy to hold this position while not simultaneously cheerleading for American imperialism. But y'all don't seem interested in threading that needle because World Police fuck yeah 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: what would you do in russias situation? nato, which should have been dissolved post soviet collapse, and has promised not to expand east of germany, has been expanding towards russia's border. the US has overthrown the legitimate government of your neighbor and has destabilize the region. Ukraine isn't going to invade Russia. Nobody was going to invade Russia. Therefore you just maintain the border. You don't start a war that gets your own people and Ukrainians killed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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