Omfg...camo guy is a Ben Shapiro fanboy

[jackiemarie90]

3 hours ago, Quackers said:

He's more into vicodin and xanax 

Close, he used to be in opoids, then dropped but he definitely is a nicotine addict always using his vape. 

[jackiemarie90]

1 hour ago, avec said:

Its a homing camo bullet

Here's to hoping I survive the semester! 😂 He said he likes the American Psycho and there was part where we were talking about a guy killing a girl because he turned him down and I did that. <__<

[tsar4]

5 minutes ago, jackiemarie90 said:

lol I love how we really never get each other's references.

I don't watch stuff like Shapiro.  I've been watching the revived "McLaughlin Group" because it has opinions by both sides of the aisle, I don't care for echo chambers.

[GaiusIuliusCaesar]

20 minutes ago, jackiemarie90 said:

As much as this guy likes to think he is a logical debater, he totally isn't. XD And looking back I actually appreciate our debates in comparison. I think this guy just really loves defending the people who watches on youtube all day. Which makes sense, but it's frustrating cause he will never hear out my points and has his mind made up before I even speak.

I mean I appreciate that. I always thought the point of logic was to try to figure out what's true, and that debate is a way to test your conclusions. That's why my views have actually changed and evolved over time. Ideology should come from perceived reality, not determine it. You have people like Ben Shapiro out there willing to affirm the ideas that most people in my demographic, (white coded cis het guys) find appealing or reassuring, and we just go with it because it makes us feel good. Its the opposite of what you are trained to do in science, which is to assume you are wrong, and try to prove the thing you think is wrong, only accepting it as true if you fail to do so. No one's perfect, I mean I've had some pretty stupid takes over the years. But I tried to figure shit out, and I think its paid off in the long run.

[avec]

3 hours ago, jackiemarie90 said:

Here's to hoping I survive the semester! 😂 He said he likes the American Psycho and there was part where we were talking about a guy killing a girl because he turned him down and I did that. <__<

[Distortedreasoning]

3 hours ago, jackiemarie90 said:

Here's to hoping I survive the semester! 😂 He said he likes the American Psycho and there was part where we were talking about a guy killing a girl because he turned him down and I did that. <__<

did he empathize with the killer? 

[Kudasai]

8 hours ago, jackiemarie90 said:

Here's to hoping I survive the semester! 😂 He said he likes the American Psycho and there was part where we were talking about a guy killing a girl because he turned him down and I did that. <__<

Hey @mthor would you mind loaning Janice and Lucille to Jackie?

[Seight]

12 hours ago, tsar4 said:

I had to look up who the guy was.

I was gonna say "lucky" but you looked him up so now you do know who he is...now.

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

1 hour ago, Kudasai said:

Hey @mthor would you mind loaning Janice and Lucille to Jackie?

What's she gonna do with B.B. King's guitar? Become Quick Draw McGraw's alter ego El Kabong?

[lupin_bebop]

14 hours ago, jackiemarie90 said:

For real, fuck dating, I just need to survive this fucking semester. 

This stuff is really easy to do. I was weird and socially awkward when I was that age, too. It’s not hard to get by here. If you’re going to be awkward, take then social piece out of it. Just do the student thing. Go to class, do the work, study and do homework, workout at the gym, come home, shower, sleep, repeat. I did that, I turned out fine. Other things will happen when they happen. Just stop trying to force the shit. 

[DragonSinger]

15 hours ago, jackiemarie90 said:

I should but he has shared his weed with me before and I want him to give me more. lol >__>

Is weed worth hanging out with fuckbois? This is a serious question because I've never tried it before. 

[SwimModSponges]

15 hours ago, jackiemarie90 said:

I have been trying but he likes to get passionate when he argues and kinda aligns everything he hates with the left on me. And takes his frustrations on me.

Thats a guy whose gonna hit somebody someday. 

[jackiemarie90]

12 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

did he empathize with the killer? 

Well he just said he loved the movie but did empathize with Ozymandias in Watchmen. XD

[jackiemarie90]

4 hours ago, DragonSinger said:

Is weed worth hanging out with fuckbois? This is a serious question because I've never tried it before. 

Maybe if you don't fuck them and genuinely try to be that sister like friend? Idk, stay tuned to find out. >__>

[jackiemarie90]

3 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

Thats a guy whose gonna hit somebody someday. 

He honestly reminds me a lot of my abusive mom in how they have conversations. It's been a little triggering lately and I've been meaning to find the right time to bring it up. I was only able to build some kind of analyzing skill because I would always wonder why she would act the way she did, and I definitely see a pattern now.

Edited February 12, 2020 by jackiemarie90

[scoobdog]

1 minute ago, jackiemarie90 said:

He honestly reminds me a lot of my abusive mom in how they how conversations. It's been a little triggering lately and I've been meaning to find the right time to bring it. I was only able to build some kind of analyzing skill because I would always wonder why she would act the way she did, and I definitely see a pattern now.

I was going to say that we typically gravitate toward SO with personalities that are similar or have shared key traits with one or both of our parents.  I think it might have to do with the fact that we often adapt our coping apparatus to deal with them and carry that on to other deep interpersonal interactions.

[Sandstone]

On 2/11/2020 at 1:16 AM, Distortedreasoning said:

hes wrong tho so not your fault about him getting his feelings hurt. shapiro is most definitely alt right. tho i never really listened to his show. i do think there is some hate directed at the jews. so maybe he has been discriminated? but yes this story has been entertaining so far. cant wait to see where it will lead to.

Shapiro isn't alt right, he's a neocon that is also a social conservative. Neocons and alt right factions hate eachother. Alt right faction is specifically people espousing things like race realism, mgtow, or the new neonazis  (for example Nick Feuntes). These people are alt right which is entirely different from the type of bullshit that Ben Shapiro is.

It's important to distinguish these factions because their views on key issues are very different and they will likely get upset if you conflate the two which destroys any argument being had usually. Also, it's nice to know what brand of bs your talking about.

There are really three major factions in the current Republican party.

Neocons: big warhawks, they've never seen a town in the middle east they don't want to drone strike. These people typically really love Israel and talk about it like it's part of our country. They are the George W Bush era "spread democracy" types. Also typically are in bed with big business. Other examples include John Bolton, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Sean Hannity.

Nationalist Libertarians: these are people like Charlie Kirk, Dave Ruben, and all the Turning Point USA people. They are basically socially liberals on most issues, some are prolife though. They are a kind of new thing that has formed out of the Trump political grab. Basically a mix of populism, nationalism, and some libertarian ideology. They usually are focused on economic issues and stopping illegal immigration. These are the "Build the Wall" types. Typically these are younger Republicans, Genx, millenials, and some GenZ. Most of Trumps base is this category imo.

Alt-Right/New-Right. Technically these two monikers are slightly different but they are close enough that I consider them together. These are people like Nick Fuentes, Stefan Molyneux, and Richard Spencer. They talk a lot about race, they espouse Neonazi-like (or are Neonazi themselves like David Duke for instance). They tend to be as obsessed with Israel as the Neoconservatives only in the opposite direction. Many of them openly advocate banning all immigration, not just deporting illegal immigrants. They advocate things like making the US a white ethnostate in order to preserve culture and prevent a so called white genocide. And a lot of them are race realists which is pseudo science which seeks to legitimize the idea that non white people have lower IQs or tend to be naturally more violent than white people.

There are a few other minor factions but these three are the biggest republican factions atm.

Edited February 13, 2020 by Sandstone

[PhilosipherStoned]

I think there's a lot of Ben Shapiro fan boys in the military. Not sure if by camo guy you are just refrring to some dude that wears camo though.. 

[DragonSinger]

4 hours ago, Sandstone said:

Shapiro isn't alt right, he's a neocon that is also a social conservative. Neocons and alt right factions hate eachother. Alt right faction is specifically people espousing things like race realism, mgtow, or the new neonazis  (for example Nick Feuntes). These people are alt right which is entirely different from the type of bullshit that Ben Shapiro is.

It's important to distinguish these factions because their views on key issues are very different and they will likely get upset if you conflate the two which destroys any argument being had usually. Also, it's nice to know what brand of bs your talking about.

There are really three major factions in the current Republican party.

Neocons: big warhawks, they've never seen a town in the middle east they don't want to drone strike. These people typically really love Israel and talk about it like it's part of our country. They are the George W Bush era "spread democracy" types. Also typically are in bed with big business. Other examples include John Bolton, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Sean Hannity.

Nationalist Libertarians: these are people like Charlie Kirk, Dave Ruben, and all the Turning Point USA people. They are basically socially liberals on most issues, some are prolife though. They are a kind of new thing that has formed out of the Trump political grab. Basically a mix of populism, nationalism, and some libertarian ideology. They usually are focused on economic issues and stopping illegal immigration. These are the "Build the Wall" types. Typically these are younger Republicans, Genx, millenials, and some GenZ. Most of Trumps base is this category imo.

Alt-Right/New-Right. Technically these two monikers are slightly different but they are close enough that I consider them together. These are people like Nick Fuentes, Stefan Molyneux, and Richard Spencer. They talk a lot about race, they espouse Neonazi-like (or are Neonazi themselves like David Duke for instance). They tend to be as obsessed with Israel as the Neoconservatives only in the opposite direction. Many of them openly advocate banning all immigration, not just deporting illegal immigrants. They advocate things like making the US a white ethnostate in order to preserve culture and prevent a so called white genocide. And a lot of them are race realists which is pseudo science which seeks to legitimize the idea that non white people have lower IQs or tend to be naturally more violent than white people.

There are a few other minor factions but these three are the biggest republican factions atm.

All these assholes have the same beliefs, you nitwit. The only differences among them are the amount of bullshit they feed people like you to give them nicer names. 

[Sandstone]

1 minute ago, DragonSinger said:

All these assholes have the same beliefs, you nitwit. The only differences among them are the amount of bullshit they feed people like you to give them nicer names. 

The neocons have been around since the 80s, I didn't name any of these I'm just describing what they believe in that is different from eachother. Things like race realism are very specific and core to the alt-right, Ben Shapiro as loathsome as he may be is not a race realist and has nothing to do with the Alt-Right. This is as reductive as saying there is no difference between a liberal and a progressive in the Democrat party.

[DragonSinger]

On 2/12/2020 at 11:57 PM, Sandstone said:

The neocons have been around since the 80s, I didn't name any of these I'm just describing what they believe in that is different from eachother. Things like race realism are very specific and core to the alt-right, Ben Shapiro as loathsome as he may be is not a race realist and has nothing to do with the Alt-Right. This is as reductive as saying there is no difference between a liberal and a progressive in the Democrat party.

No it's not, shit for brains. They can be lumped together because their words and actions have the same fucking results. And no I'm not linking to sites for proof for like the fourth or fifth time because you always come back and post like you have fucking amnesia. I know it's probably just constantly living in a state of denial, but part of me genuinely wonders if you have some sort of brain damage that affects your long term memory.

[Sandstone]

5 hours ago, DragonSinger said:

No it's not, shit for brains. They can be lumped together because their words and actions have the same fucking results. And no I'm not linking to sites for proof for like the fourth or fifth time because you always come back and post like you have fucking amnesia. I know it's probably just constantly living in a state of denial, but part of me genuinely wonders if you have some sort of brain damage that affects your long term memory.

Living in a state of denial about what exactly?

You are just wrong, Ben Shapiro is not alt-right his view of the world is entirely different it doesn't matter what the end result is. Again this is like saying that progressives and liberals are the same because they share some overlap, it's simply false. Of course if you have video or text from Shapiro espousing a white ethnostate or race realist rhetoric then I will change my mind, I don't think you'll find such things considering he's an orthodox jew but I'll be willing to listen if you have something to show.

Your reasoning is reductive, and it is important to distinguish core beliefs between different factions of any world view be it religious, political, or philosophical, otherwise you can not accurately address what they are espousing.

[DragonSinger]

28 minutes ago, Sandstone said:

Living in a state of denial about what exactly?

You are just wrong, Ben Shapiro is not alt-right his view of the world is entirely different it doesn't matter what the end result is. Again this is like saying that progressives and liberals are the same because they share some overlap, it's simply false. Of course if you have video or text from Shapiro espousing a white ethnostate or race realistRACIST rhetoric then I will change my mind, I don't think you'll find such things considering he's an orthodox jew but I'll be willing to listen if you have something to show.

Your reasoning is reductive, and it is important to distinguish core beliefs between different factions of any world view be it religious, political, or philosophical, otherwise you can not accurately address what they are espousing.

Yes, the end result matters even though people of your skin color are not the target and you possess zero empathy to process that. And Jesus H. Christ, just fucking say racist. The goal of racism has been the same throughout history no matter if you call it "alt right", "race realist" or whatever else dumbass phrase is going around right now.

5 hours ago, DragonSinger said:

No it's not, shit for brains. They can be lumped together because their words and actions have the same fucking results. And no I'm not linking to sites for proof for like the fourth or fifth time because you always come back and post like you have fucking amnesia. I know it's probably just constantly living in a state of denial, but part of me genuinely wonders if you have some sort of brain damage that affects your long term memory.

 

[Sandstone]

I never said it wasn't racist rhetoric, is that why you're so upset? My point has nothing to do with that. There are many different types of racist rhetoric and ideology that exist, surely you know this, I would be surprised if you didn't know this.

My point was in the specific details in how they are different. Neocons aren't race realist, but they could very well still hold racist views, in fact many do and it tends to come in the form of American Imperialism because they are big fans of spreading democracy to cultures in the middle east. That said, you won't find Neocons talking about the genetic inferiority of black people as it relates to IQ quotients that is rather specific to the race realists, which is an ideology that is well known, which is popular among neo-nazis and the alt-right.

I'm not sure what you mean by empathy. You seem to be suggesting that I don't empathize with those affected by racist rhetoric which is just not true. It is for that very reason I think it is very important to understand precisely what racist people believe and espouse otherwise you can not combat it effectively and you certainly can not have a genuine argument with those people.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Sandstone