ratings Toonami Unevenedge Ratings Discussion 3.0: Let The Good Times Roll!!!!!

[Daos]

The funny thing is that so far, not one show that anyone has put in the "Could blank be coming to Toonami?" thread has aired on Toonami. Perfect record!

Some of the stuff in there is the legit big hits too, it's not all joke anime!

[OwlChemist81]

5 hours ago, Blatch said:

At this point, I don't know what I can say about the ratings that isn't beating a dead horse. It was fun in the earlier years when Toonami had to rate well while having a much larger variety of shows to choose from, not to mention a schedule with more moving parts. But now things have shrunk to the point where we have a pretty good idea of what is going to replace what else, and where the shows are placed barely matters, on top of other things that are inherently impossible to predict like world premieres. It was fun in the early years when we could armchair quarterback and get away with it, but now this topic has become a thinly-veiled excuse to complain, because there's rarely anything to get excited about. It's all become rather frustrating. 🤔

Yeah, you're right. But damn if I'm still not curious whether or not that rerun of PRIMAL beat that rerun of Dragon Ball Super in the ratings! But it's FRIDAY on the east coast already, and WE. STILL. DON'T. KNOW...

[OwlChemist81]

5 hours ago, Daos said:

The funny thing is that so far, not one show that anyone has put in the "Could blank be coming to Toonami?" thread has aired on Toonami. Perfect record!

Some of the stuff in there is the legit big hits too, it's not all joke anime!

How we didn't guess Food Wars for that is beyond me though...

[Daos]

28 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

How we didn't guess Food Wars for that is beyond me though...

No one put Demon slayer either.

Goblin Slayer, Re Zero, Overlord, Konosuba.. all prime targets all misses.

[The1gairon]

9 hours ago, Daos said:

No one put Demon slayer either.

Goblin Slayer, Re Zero, Overlord, Konosuba.. all prime targets all misses.

Toonami seems to have an allergy to isekai shows as well as fanservice. All four of the animes crossing over in Isekai Quartet have never aired on Toonami despite all of them having dubs (five, now that Rise of the Shield Hero is confirmed to be the fifth anime for Isekai Quartet Season 2). I mean there's SAO, but SAO is the most popular isekai anime right now and I guess they couldn't ignore the sales.

Edited October 25, 2019 by elfie

[Daos]

SAO barely counts as Isekai.

[The1gairon]

9 hours ago, Daos said:

SAO barely counts as Isekai.

But it is.

[Daos]

1 hour ago, elfie said:

But it is.

A lot of people say it isn't =P

https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/was-it-sao-that-really-popularized-the-isekai-subgenre.57804/page-2

[Sketch]

Alicization is more of an isekai then the rest of SAO since the underworld is a different reality. You could make the argument Aincrad was as well because they were trapped in it but when it’s a game they can freely leave it’s not really an isekai. It popularized the genre but largely isn’t a traditional isekai.

[OwlChemist81]

8 hours ago, Sketch said:

Alicization is more of an isekai then the rest of SAO since the underworld is a different reality. You could make the argument Aincrad was as well because they were trapped in it but when it’s a game they can freely leave it’s not really an isekai. It popularized the genre but largely isn’t a traditional isekai.

My thoughts exactly. If SAO is the quintessential "isekai", the parts which make it more "isekai" than others are the first arc (Aincrad) and the current arc (Alicization). Though one thing that makes SAO unique is its reliance on activities both in the "real" world, which is more of a slice-of-life, and the virtual world, which is definitely shonen action-oriented.

IN OTHER NEWS, ProgrammingInsider FINALLY updated their Saturday 10/19/19 page to include pre-Toonami ratings. They are as follows:

Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.360 million viewers (#80) • 0.22 HH (#73) • 0.15 A18-49 (#37) • 0.13 A18-34 (#21) • 0.15 A25-54 (#62) Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.556 million viewers (#50) • 0.34 HH (#51) • 0.23 A18-49 (#15) • 0.20 A18-34 (#9) • 0.24 A25-54 (#24)
Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.662 million viewers (#39) • 0.41 HH (#42) • 0.29 A18-49 (#7) • 0.27 A18-34 (#7) • 0.30 A25-54 (#12)
Genndy Tartakovksy PRIMAL (repeat) (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.499 million viewers (#58) • 0.31 HH (#58) • 0.23 A18-49 (#15) • 0.25 A18-34 (#8) • 0.24 A25-54 (#24)

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-american-league-championship-series-clinching-victory-by-astros-over-yankees-is-top-fs1-telecast-in-two-years/

Dragon Ball Super actually got a high 0.23 in Adults 18-49, almost a 0.24, so it's most likely that it gained from PRIMAL. Meanwhile, we don't know what it did in 18-34 or 25-54, but One-Punch Man only lost a hundredth in 18-34 but 0.03 in 25-54. Finally, Super kept pace with PRIMAL in total viewers even better this week than last. I think it's not too far-fetched to expect it to overtake it either tonight or next week.

Edited October 26, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[OwlChemist81]

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-10-26-2019.html

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:   DRAGON BALL up 0.01 to 0.24/508K, ONE-PUNCH MAN up 0.02 to 0.23, DR STONE steady at 0.19, FIRE FORCE down 0.02 to 0.16, FOOD WARS down 0.01 to 0.14, DEMON SLAYER down 0.05 to 0.12/277K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.05 to 0.10/240K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE at 0.11/251K, NARUTO down 0.06 to 0.11/262K, LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.04 to 0.10, and MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.03 to 0.11/223K"

One-Punch Man Season 2 joins the ">500K" club and cracks the Top 10 to boot! Not only that, but it GAINED on Dragon Ball Super in total viewers!

Unfortunately, the bottom pretty much fell out from there. Nothing after 1:30 AM could even crack 300K, and JoJo's return missed the Top 50. Not only that, but the 18-34 numbers are terrible! That Demon Slayer got an estimated 88K in that demographic and JoJo and Lupin were probably even worse. Halloween weekend hurt badly. Toonami would do well next year to play a marathon, perhaps Uzumaki followed by Season 3 Part 2 of Attack on Titan.

10/26/2019 - Total Viewers
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
DBS (R)	508,000
OPM2	525,000	103.35%
Dr. Stone	402,000	76.57%
FireForce	337,000	83.83%
FoodWars!	314,000	93.18%
D. Slayer	277,000	88.22%
B. Clover	240,000	86.64%
JoJoPt5	251,000	104.58%
Shippuden	262,000	104.38%
LupinPt5	214,000	81.68%
MHA (R)	223,000	104.21%
AVERAGE	323,000	38 of 43

Edited October 29, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[OwlChemist81]

Well well well...

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-astros-nationals-game-4-posts-lowest-rated-world-series-telecast-among-households-to-date/

10/26/19 - Adults 18-49
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
DBS (R)	308,000
OPM2	300,000	97.40%
Dr. Stone	243,000	81.00%
FireForce	207,000	85.19%
FoodWars!	181,000	87.44%
D. Slayer	150,000	82.87%
B. Clover	134,000	89.33%
JoJoPt5	144,000	107.46%
Shippuden	147,000	102.08%
LupinPt5	125,000	85.03%
MHA (R)	137,000	109.60%
AVERAGE	188,727	40 of 43

Despite a better start than the past 2 weeks, the drop-off was just too great, placing this week's block in the bottom 4 for the year so far.

[Mr Owl]

Did shippuden really just beat 3 premieres again? 

This is getting sad put shippuden in clover spot already

[The1gairon]

I saw a Toonami show other than DB Super rise to the top 10 on the list and was elated. ........... then  I remembered, "... oh right. DB Super isn't in premieres anymore."

Sorry, champs. That's the only way it's gonna happen.

 

Edited October 29, 2019 by elfie

[Daos]

 

[OwlChemist81]

22 hours ago, elfie said:

I saw a Toonami show other than DB Super rise to the top 10 on the list and was elated. ........... then  I remembered, "... oh right. DB Super isn't in premieres anymore."

Sorry, champs. That's the only way it's gonna happen.

 

Well, gen:LOCK DID reach #9 on 9/7/19, but of course that same week Dragon Ball Super was #6...

Edited October 30, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[The1gairon]

Do you wonder, in your wandering aimless thoughts while sleeping or in the shower, that any of the new upcoming streaming services will also make their viewership #s public?

[OwlChemist81]

They probably won't.

I mean, the only reason the 2010's have been kind of a golden age for ratings information availability is because of Son of the Bronx and, later in 2015, Mitch of Show Buzz Daily. It certainly wasn't this widely available in the 2000's, and Adult Swim really only gave us a glimpse of their numbers from 2001-2011 before finally not including them in bumpers in 2012.

[OwlChemist81]

Well, they finally updated the Programming Insider page, which is becoming the norm these days, so I guess we'll have Toonami ratings on Tuesdays and pre-Toonami ratings on Thursdays for a while. While it pleases me to report that DBS beat Primal, and One-Punch Man was the 3rd-highest rated program on [as] of the night, this just boggles the mind more than anything else:

Hallmark Original Movie Christmas Wishes & Mistletoe Kisses (HALL, 8:00 PM, 120 min.) • 2.642 million viewers (#1)

BEFORE HALLOWEEN, a CHRISTMAS MOVIE got more total viewers than ANYTHING else in primetime on Saturday night, INCLUDING the Alabama/Arkansas game.

I don't even know what to say.

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-astros-nationals-game-4-posts-lowest-rated-world-series-telecast-among-households-to-date/

[Daos]

There's a lot of elderly people that love those Hallmark movies. And men forced to watch with their wives.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/hallmark-channels-niche-movies-and-series-are-ratings-gold/

[AnimationFan14]

There is a reason they make hundreds of Hallmark Christmas movies every single year. 

Huge guaranteed ratings and they are dirt cheap to make most of the time 

[Blatch]

Christmas is a feel-good holiday by its very nature, so it makes sense that people want to be exposed to it as much as possible. Look at how they keep starting the holiday season earlier and earlier seemingly every year. Heck, I'm surprised Hallmark doesn't have a channel that plays Christmas movies 24/7!

[Jman]

21 minutes ago, Blatch said:

Christmas is a feel-good holiday by its very nature, so it makes sense that people want to be exposed to it as much as possible. Look at how they keep starting the holiday season earlier and earlier seemingly every year. Heck, I'm surprised Hallmark doesn't have a channel that plays Christmas movies 24/7!

You know they tossed the idea around.

[Sketch]

On 10/29/2019 at 4:03 PM, Mr Owl said:

Did shippuden really just beat 3 premieres again? 

This is getting sad put shippuden in clover spot already

Chances are Shippuden is benefiting nicely from a full day of DVR playback. Any show airing at 3am gets that benefit because the ratings day is counted from 3am until 2:59am the next day. It's also why the 2:30 slot is generally considered the worst to be in so it's a bit surprising that JoJo manage to beat Black Clover in that position.

If they moved Shippuden earlier it wouldn't necessarily do better than it is at 3am. If it and Black Clover swapped me might start seeing Clover beat two shows ahead of it. And it's not as if the network is going to consider less than 30,000 a big difference in viewership, less than 15,000 in 18-49 at that. Moving shows around more often only causes confusion and is likely to lower the ratings of everything that moves around.

[OwlChemist81]

On 11/2/2019 at 2:34 AM, Sketch said:

Chances are Shippuden is benefiting nicely from a full day of DVR playback. Any show airing at 3am gets that benefit because the ratings day is counted from 3am until 2:59am the next day. It's also why the 2:30 slot is generally considered the worst to be in so it's a bit surprising that JoJo manage to beat Black Clover in that position.

If they moved Shippuden earlier it wouldn't necessarily do better than it is at 3am. If it and Black Clover swapped me might start seeing Clover beat two shows ahead of it. And it's not as if the network is going to consider less than 30,000 a big difference in viewership, less than 15,000 in 18-49 at that. Moving shows around more often only causes confusion and is likely to lower the ratings of everything that moves around.

THIS. Recall that Gundam: The Origin at 3 AM usually, but not always, beat Shippuden at 2:30 AM (9 times out of 13) in Adults 18-49. That's most likely because that demographic is the most relevant to have access to DVR.

However, it should be noted that this was NOT the case with total viewers; Gundam only beat Shippuden 6 times out of 13, but that still might be statistically significant since Gundam is on later and the trend would be expected to be downward. On average, Shippuden still has the edge, however.

ON to THIS week's ratings, and One-Punch Man WAY down. The Forge and MHA S4 can't come in here fast enough!

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-11-2-2019.html

At least JoJo made the Top 50 this week after not making it for its debut last week. And Demon Slayer keeping pace with One-Punch Man and Dr. Stone is pretty remarkable.

Hopefully the presence of never-before-seen content on the block next week (I'd say "this week", but we've already seen episode 1 of The Forge on Pre-Flight) helps the ratings!!

[OwlChemist81]

UPDATE:

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:   DRAGON BALL down 0.04 to 0.20/456K, ONE-PUNCH MAN down 0.05 to 0.18, DR STONE down 0.02 to 0.17, FIRE FORCE down 0.01 to 0.15, FOOD WARS steady at 0.14, DEMON SLAYER up 0.02 to 0.14/333K, BLACK CLOVER up 0.04 to 0.14/312K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up 0.01 to 0.12/277K, NARUTO steady at 0.11/243K, LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.02 to 0.08, and MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.04 to 0.07/162K."

EGAD that's low! Both the DBS rerun AND the MHA rerun! I guess my theory that the reruns would follow a similar pattern to the premieres didn't pan out, like at all!! Premieres other than Lupin (which is a shame because it was such a great episode) performed fairly well.

Here's hoping MHA S4 can pull the ~500K average they probably expect of it!

Edited November 6, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[OwlChemist81]

11/2/2019 - Total Viewers
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
DBS (R)	456,000
OPM2	445,000	97.59%
Dr. Stone	398,000	89.44%
FireForce	358,000	89.95%
FoodWars!	330,000	92.18%
D. Slayer	333,000	100.91%
B. Clover	312,000	93.69%
JoJoPt5	277,000	88.78%
Shippuden	243,000	87.73%
LupinPt5	184,000	75.72%
MHA (R)	162,000	88.04%
AVERAGE	318,000	39 of 44

MHA Season 3 rerun ends with a THUD! This is the first time an episode of MHA has gotten below 200K, even at 4 AM! Lupin's been lower--at 12:30 AM! And Shippuden has been lower, but only at 2:30 AM. Oddly enough, the first 3 shows dropped from last week (and so did the last 3), but the middle 5? UP!

Before Toonami:

Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.483 million viewers (#61) • 0.30 HH (#60) • 0.18 A18-49 (#26) • 0.18 A18-34 (#12) • 0.18 A25-54 (#42)
Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.635 million viewers (#46) • 0.38 HH (#48) • 0.24 A18-49 (#15) • 0.24 A18-34 (#9) • 0.24 A25-54 (#26)
Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.700 million viewers (#44) • 0.45 HH (#40) • 0.29 A18-49 (#8) • 0.30 A18-34 (#6) • 0.29 A25-54 (#18) Genndy Tartakovksy Primal (repeat) (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.523 million viewers (#56) • 0.33 HH (#57) • 0.24 A18-49 (#15) • 0.22 A18-34 (#10) • 0.25 A25-54 (#23)

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-georgia-florida-on-cbs-tops-all-telecasts-for-the-day-among-all-key-figures/

So, PRIMAL (which keeps getting misspelled on this website) beat lame-duck DBS reruns this week. That 456K for DBS was the lowest peak ever for a TOONAMI block, but the shows in the middle saved it from being worse than the 5th-worst block of 2019.

11/2/19 - Adults 18-49
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
DBS (R)	260,000
OPM2	230,000	88.46%
Dr. Stone	218,000	94.78%
FireForce	198,000	90.83%
FoodWars!	180,000	90.91%
D. Slayer	185,000	102.78%
B. Clover	186,000	100.54%
JoJoPt5	161,000	86.56%
Shippuden	147,000	91.30%
LupinPt5	106,000	72.11%
MHA (R)	92,000	86.79%
AVERAGE	178,455	42 of 44

Unfortunately, the same wasn't true for 18-49. Only Demon Slayer and Black Clover gained on last week, and the result was a block that finished with the 3rd-worst ratings of 2019.

Edited November 6, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[korosu]

so, does nielsen actually track the 2 am hour for DST now?

[OwlChemist81]

3 minutes ago, korosu said:

so, does nielsen actually track the 2 am hour for DST now?

You know, that's a good question! It's quite possible the numbers we're getting for Shippuden, Lupin, and MHA were actually MHA and the Crap Hour that followed Toonami! Shippuden and Lupin would have aired in that "dark" 2nd 2 AM hour instead of their normal 3 AM hour, so that might be what we're actually seeing. In that case, I hope [as] took note of that and doesn't penalize Lupin accordingly. But then again, I think it already WAS penalized when it was moved down to 3:30 AM.

I guess if there ever is a Lupin Part 6, maybe it might get the same timeslot that Lupin Part 4 enjoyed throughout its run?

[OwlChemist81]

It's a new day, but it still feels old...

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-11-9-2019.html

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:   MY HERO ACADEMIA (in a different timeslot) up 0.13 to 0.20, ONE-PUNCH MAN up 0.01 to 0.19, DR STONE up 0.01 to 0.18, FIRE FORCE up 0.02 to 0.17, FOOD WARS sup 0.02 to 0.16, DEMON SLAYER up 0.03 to 0.17/322K, BLACK CLOVER up 0.01 to 0.15/288K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up 0.03 to 0.15/293K, NARUTO up 0.04 to 0.15/344K, LUPIN THE 3RD up 0.04 to 0.12, and ATTACK ON TITAN at 0.09/191K."

That 344K for Naruto Shippuden puts it in 4th place and beating everything but MHA, OPM, and Dr. Stone, but I'm not quite convinced that it's correct. For one thing, the 18-49's don't surge accordingly. For now, though, I'm going with it, since it's consistent with previous results for it airing at 3 AM.

11/9/2019 - Total Viewers
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	398,000
OPM2	388,000	97.49%
Dr. Stone	361,000	93.04%
FireForce	335,000	92.80%
FoodWars!	324,000	96.72%
D. Slayer	322,000	99.38%
B. Clover	288,000	89.44%
JoJoPt5	293,000	101.74%
Shippuden	344,000	117.41%
LupinPt5	250,000	72.67%
AOTS1 (R)	191,000	76.40%
AVERAGE	317,636	40 of 45

Despite the premiere of The Forge being part of MHA, Toonami has its worst start ever without Dragon Ball Super. But I'm not all that surprised, since they DID give this episode of The Forge away during the MomoCon panel (and online on Pre-Flight in fact) so most of the Toonami faithful had already seen it. Next week, it's a never-before-seen episode, plus Family Guy directly leads-in to MHA, so that should also improve the numbers.

I was hoping they would try PRIMAL at 4:30 AM after AOT for a late-night mixed-block brutality hour, but at least for now, it seems they're going on with Superjail and Apollo Gauntlet. Plus, AOT is a long show, and the final season doesn't air for like a year, so there's plenty of time for them to do just that.

[PokeNirvash]

I blame S&P blurring out Fujiko's nipple-less ta-tas as the reason for Lupin's poor-in-comparison retention.

[OwlChemist81]

15 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

I blame S&P blurring out Fujiko's nipple-less ta-tas as the reason for Lupin's poor-in-comparison retention.

That was so close to the end it wouldn't have mattered though! Silly thing to blame, if you ask me!

I'm almost shocked that they didn't just leave Family Guy where it is and replace PRIMAL with Rick & Morty Season 4 reruns...

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-sunday-cable-originals-network-finals-11-10-2019.html

Spoiler

 

Edited November 12, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[OwlChemist81]

Oddly enough, Programming Insider has the primetime ratings available first this week:

Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.470 million viewers (#69) • 0.28 HH (#70) • 0.20 A18-49 (#25) • 0.18 A18-34 (#12) • 0.21 A25-54 (#35)
Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.607 million viewers (#51) • 0.38 HH (#48) • 0.24 A18-49 (#15) • 0.22 A18-34 (#7) • 0.26 A25-54 (#23)
Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.654 million viewers (#45) • 0.42 HH (#43) • 0.25 A18-49 (#13) • 0.22 A18-34 (#7) • 0.27 A25-54 (#22)
Genndy Tartakovksy Primal (repeat) (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.498 million viewers (#64) • 0.32 HH (#62) • 0.21 A18-49 (#20) • 0.18 A18-34 (#12) • 0.23 A25-54 (#27)

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-lsu-alabama-on-cbs-is-highest-rated-college-football-regular-season-game-in-eight-years/

This has interesting implications for My Hero Academia: it means it was 3rd place for the night in 18-34 behind both Family Guy episodes, and gained 0.03 on Primal's 0.18, a 117% increase! Unfortunately, the same was not true for older viewers, as it tumbled a full twentieth (0.05) from 0.23 to 0.18 in 25-54. The 18-49 demographic, which is a blend of those two, accordingly dropped a hundredth.

Next week, however, Family Guy is the direct lead-in, and we should have an all-new Forge either right at the beginning or right in the middle of MHA. As I mentioned previously, that should boost the ratings!

[MasqueradeOverture]

There's a new My Hero?!

Man I've been so out of it...

[OwlChemist81]

Finally!!!

11/9/19 - Adults 18-49
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	258,000	95.91%
OPM2	240,000	93.02%
Dr. Stone	239,000	99.58%
FireForce	217,000	90.79%
FoodWars!	206,000	94.93%
D. Slayer	221,000	107.28%
B. Clover	199,000	90.05%
JoJoPt5	196,000	98.49%
Shippuden	193,000	98.47%
LupinPt5	154,000	79.79%
AOTS1 (R)	122,000	79.22%
AVERAGE	204,091	38 of 45

Really good retention until the last hour!

[OwlChemist81]

With the block once again being led-into directly by Family Guy, MHA rebounded this week almost 100K, and most shows followed suit:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-11-16-2019.html

While once again Toonami didn't crack the Top 15 in Adults 18-49, at least all 8 eligible shows made the Top 50 this week.

Interestingly enough, women seem to have a lot lower retention during Toonami than men; as M18-49 and M12-34 seem to have stayed almost steady throughout at least the first 3 hours, but F12-34 dropped sharply from My Hero Academia to One Punch Man and never recovered, hitting a nadir during JoJo but rebounding slightly for Lupin. My theory is that those women left to watch SNL and never returned to Toonami, and NBC's jump from a 3 in F18-49 for the rerun to an 8 for the premiere would seem to reflect that.

[OwlChemist81]

Well, look what we already have!!

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-oklahoma-baylor-on-abc-edges-past-georgia-auburn-on-cbs-as-days-most-watched-college-football-telecast-in-total-viewers-and-adults-18-49/

11/16/2019 - Total Viewers
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	494,000
OPM2	426,000	86.23%
Dr. Stone	402,000	94.37%
FireForce	368,000	91.54%
FoodWars!	314,000	85.33%
D. Slayer	308,000	98.09%
B. Clover	279,000	90.58%
JoJoPt5	260,000	93.19%
Shippuden	286,000	110.00%
LupinPt5	240,000	83.92%
AOTS1 (R)	242,000	100.83%
AVERAGE	329,000	34 of 46
11/16/2019 - Adults 18-49
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	272,000
OPM2	250,000	91.91%
Dr. Stone	245,000	98.00%
FireForce	231,000	94.29%
FoodWars!	201,000	87.01%
D. Slayer	190,000	94.53%
B. Clover	172,000	90.53%
JoJoPt5	163,000	94.77%
Shippuden	176,000	107.98%
LupinPt5	164,000	93.18%
AOTS1 (R)	176,000	107.32%
AVERAGE	203,636	39 of 46

Well, it seems that the retention was still damn good throughout, but since Food Wars! was much weaker in 18-49, it led to a mid-block that wasn't as strong as last week, and that average sank a little bit.

On to the last normal block next week before the Food Wars! Thanksgiving Weekend marathon!!

[The1gairon]

2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Well, look what we already have!!

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-oklahoma-baylor-on-abc-edges-past-georgia-auburn-on-cbs-as-days-most-watched-college-football-telecast-in-total-viewers-and-adults-18-49/

11/16/2019 - Total Viewers
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	494,000
OPM2	426,000	86.23%
Dr. Stone	402,000	94.37%
FireForce	368,000	91.54%
FoodWars!	314,000	85.33%
D. Slayer	308,000	98.09%
B. Clover	279,000	90.58%
JoJoPt5	260,000	93.19%
Shippuden	286,000	110.00%
LupinPt5	240,000	83.92%
AOTS1 (R)	242,000	100.83%
AVERAGE	329,000	34 of 46
11/16/2019 - Adults 18-49
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	272,000
OPM2	250,000	91.91%
Dr. Stone	245,000	98.00%
FireForce	231,000	94.29%
FoodWars!	201,000	87.01%
D. Slayer	190,000	94.53%
B. Clover	172,000	90.53%
JoJoPt5	163,000	94.77%
Shippuden	176,000	107.98%
LupinPt5	164,000	93.18%
AOTS1 (R)	176,000	107.32%
AVERAGE	203,636	39 of 46

Well, it seems that the retention was still damn good throughout, but since Food Wars! was much weaker in 18-49, it led to a mid-block that wasn't as strong as last week, and that average sank a little bit.

On to the last normal block next week before the Food Wars! Thanksgiving Weekend marathon!!

*someone*: .... ELFIE WHY ARE YOU CRYING?!?

[helpme]

2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Well, look what we already have!!

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-oklahoma-baylor-on-abc-edges-past-georgia-auburn-on-cbs-as-days-most-watched-college-football-telecast-in-total-viewers-and-adults-18-49/

11/16/2019 - Total Viewers
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	494,000
OPM2	426,000	86.23%
Dr. Stone	402,000	94.37%
FireForce	368,000	91.54%
FoodWars!	314,000	85.33%
D. Slayer	308,000	98.09%
B. Clover	279,000	90.58%
JoJoPt5	260,000	93.19%
Shippuden	286,000	110.00%
LupinPt5	240,000	83.92%
AOTS1 (R)	242,000	100.83%
AVERAGE	329,000	34 of 46
11/16/2019 - Adults 18-49
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	272,000
OPM2	250,000	91.91%
Dr. Stone	245,000	98.00%
FireForce	231,000	94.29%
FoodWars!	201,000	87.01%
D. Slayer	190,000	94.53%
B. Clover	172,000	90.53%
JoJoPt5	163,000	94.77%
Shippuden	176,000	107.98%
LupinPt5	164,000	93.18%
AOTS1 (R)	176,000	107.32%
AVERAGE	203,636	39 of 46

Well, it seems that the retention was still damn good throughout, but since Food Wars! was much weaker in 18-49, it led to a mid-block that wasn't as strong as last week, and that average sank a little bit.

On to the last normal block next week before the Food Wars! Thanksgiving Weekend marathon!!

Shippuden beats 2 premieres again

[Ginguy]

Wonder if Hot Pockets is happy with their targeted ad buy?

[OwlChemist81]

Who knows? But we DO know that MHA lost BIGLY from Family Guy, to put it in the words of the Orange Menace...

Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.388 million viewers (#81) • 0.27 HH (#66) • 0.18 A18-49 (#27) • 0.17 A18-34 (#13) • 0.18 A25-54 (#50)
Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.533 million viewers (#52) • 0.36 HH (#51) • 0.27 A18-49 (#13) • 0.24 A18-34 (#8) • 0.27 A25-54 (#22)
Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.698 million viewers (#37) • 0.47 HH (#36) • 0.31 A18-49 (#8) • 0.31 A18-34 (#7) • 0.34 A25-54 (#14)
Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.751 million viewers (#33) • 0.49 HH (#34) • 0.34 A18-49 (#6) • 0.32 A18-34 (#6) • 0.36 A25-54 (#13)

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-oklahoma-baylor-on-abc-edges-past-georgia-auburn-on-cbs-as-days-most-watched-college-football-telecast-in-total-viewers-and-adults-18-49/

MHA Season 4 retained 65.78% in total viewers, 62.39% in Adults 18-49, 71.89% in Adults 18-34, and 55.56% in 25-54. That's not very good. Now I'm not expecting MHA to beat Family Guy anytime soon, but it would be nice if it retained more like 80%, maybe 90% in the 18-34 demographic at times. If not, maybe it needs to drop to 11:30 and for another hot series (needs to be a WORLD premiere or at least a dub premiere) take over at 11 once One-Punch Man ends in early 2020?

 

[Ginguy]

With numbers like that, I doubt it.

 

 

[OwlChemist81]

MHA just BARELY misses the Top 10 and pulls what just might be its highest number of the year!

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-11-23-2019.html

Confirmed! The last time MHA was higher than this, it had just premiered Season 1 in 2018! And One-Punch Man Season 2, Fire Force, Food Wars, Demon Slayer, and JoJo Part 5 all hit new highs to boot in total viewers! All of those shows except Fire Force seem to have repeated the feat in Adults 18-49 as well!

And all 8 eligible shows made the Top 50, with 3:30 AM Lupin hanging on for dear life at #50!

Edited November 26, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[Jman]

Damn you Hallmark holiday movies.  They are the shounen of the holidays.

[The1gairon]

Family Guy's lead-in still helps Toonami a ton! Good thing Family Guy will stay on Cartoon Network FOR ALL TIME.

[OwlChemist81]

2 hours ago, elfie said:

Family Guy's lead-in still helps Toonami a ton! Good thing Family Guy will stay on Cartoon Network FOR ALL TIME.

Unfortunately, we know that isn't true!

Oh, look...

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:   MY HERO ACADEMIA up 0.06 to 0.27, ONE-PUNCH MAN up 0.06 to 0.25, DR STONE up 0.03 to 0.22, FIRE FORCE up 0.04 to 0.22, FOOD WARS up 0.07 to 0.22, DEMON SLAYER up 0.05 to 0.20/413K, BLACK CLOVER up 0.04 to 0.17/364K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up 0.03 to 0.16/349K, NARUTO up 0.01 to 0.15/355K, LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.01 to 0.12, and ATTACK ON TITAN down 0.03 to 0.11/261K."

11/23/2019 - Total Viewers
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	675,000
OPM2	577,000	85.48%
Dr. Stone	497,000	86.14%
FireForce	473,000	95.17%
FoodWars!	463,000	97.89%
D. Slayer	413,000	89.20%
B. Clover	364,000	88.14%
JoJoPt5	349,000	95.88%
Shippuden	355,000	101.72%
LupinPt5	292,000	82.25%
AOTS1 (R)	261,000	89.38%
AVERAGE	429,000	9 of 47 😎

That's a gain of exactly 100K total viewers on average from last week!

It's not finalized yet, but it's looking like the 18-49 rank may be 15th for the year, which is also above average!

Here's hoping this can be not just a one-time thing, like the lineups on 8/31 and 10/5, but a trend to carry into 2020! We probably will also see some early episodes of the Food Wars marathon next week beat their premiere counterparts if the MHA/OPM trend continues!

Edited November 26, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[The1gairon]

I wonder what caused this!??

[korosu]

6 hours ago, elfie said:

I wonder what caused this!??

new rick and morty, new cable subscribers

[Daos]

6 hours ago, elfie said:

I wonder what caused this!??

A good line up with 2 of the strongest shows in the anime world first? =P

[OwlChemist81]

10 hours ago, Daos said:

A good line up with 2 of the strongest shows in the anime world first? =P

Or it could have been a MASSIVE lead-in from Family Guy that topped 900K...

• Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.455 million viewers (#69) • 0.28 HH (#67) • 0.19 A18-49 (#25) • 0.15 A18-34 (#20) • 0.22 A25-54 (#33) • 0.05 A55+
• Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.558 million viewers (#55) • 0.35 HH (#55) • 0.22 A18-49 (#19) • 0.21 A18-34 (#7) • 0.26 A25-54 (#21) • 0.09 A55+
• Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.814 million viewers (#28) • 0.48 HH (#36) • 0.35 A18-49 (#5) • 0.30 A18-34 (#4) • 0.39 A25-54 (#9) • 0.14 A55+
• Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.911 million viewers (#21) • 0.55 HH (#25) • 0.40 A18-49 (#3) • 0.38 A18-34 (#2) • 0.42 A25-54 (#6) • 0.16 A55+

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-penn-state-ohio-state-on-fox-at-noon-is-dominant-lead-telecast-of-the-day/

This time, 25-54 numbers for all Toonami shows are also given. From this, we see that MHA retained 74% of FG's audience in total viewers, 63% in adults 18-34, 68% in adults 18-49, and 74% in adults 25-54.

11/23/2019 - Adults 18-49
Show	Viewers	Retention
	TOONAMI
MHAS4	351,000	68.42%
OPM2	321,000	91.45%
Dr. Stone	290,000	90.34%
FireForce	289,000	99.66%
FoodWars!	284,000	98.27%
D. Slayer	262,000	92.25%
B. Clover	215,000	82.06%
JoJoPt5	203,000	94.42%
Shippuden	196,000	96.55%
LupinPt5	158,000	80.61%
AOTS1 (R)	142,000	89.87%
AVERAGE	246,455	15 of 47 😎

The prediction holds true--above average as the 15th best lineup of the year!