Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The future is now!! https://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/tempe/tempe-police-investigating-self-driving-uber-car-involved-in-crash-overnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuggnificent Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The machines are rising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 friendly reminder that a Self Driving Car is what killed the boy Astro Boy was based on in Universe (''>_>'') (''<_<'') 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 it better be fixed in 5-10 years. i dont wanna drive anywhere ever again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Distortedreasoning said: it better be fixed in 5-10 years. i dont wanna drive anywhere ever again. Well... Who gets charged for manslaughter in this situation? Or going forward? I mean, the programmers? The company? The car manufacturer? Uber? Quite the conundrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Clu said: Well... Who gets charged for manslaughter in this situation? Or going forward? I mean, the programmers? The company? The car manufacturer? Uber? Quite the conundrum. Id sue everybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Clu said: Well... Who gets charged for manslaughter in this situation? Or going forward? I mean, the programmers? The company? The car manufacturer? Uber? Quite the conundrum. yeah i've hear this one before. really, they should only release this when it's 100% ready. the blame should go on the car manufacturers since they are the ones that have the final say on what features their cars are going to have. if they cant sell us something that works then they got no business selling it at all. that said, car manufacturers do have a history of releasing their cars with all sorts of safety issues. ideally i like to see them all take some responsibility but in practice, companies will always point fingers at someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Distortedreasoning said: yeah i've hear this one before. really, they should only release this when it's 100% ready. the blame should go on the car manufacturers since they are the ones that have the final say on what features their cars are going to have. if they cant sell us something that works then they got no business selling it at all. that said, car manufacturers do have a history of releasing their cars with all sorts of safety issues. ideally i like to see them all take some responsibility but in practice, companies will always point fingers at someone else. What about the city for allowing the tests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Clu said: What about the city for allowing the tests? im going with the ideal here but the city should negotiate with the car manufacture before they making test drives. the deal should make it so the car manufacturer for any damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Idk... I'd say the family probably will have a difficult time figuring out how this happebed. The car was occupied... I wonder what their role was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_N Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 So a woman was jaywalking in the dark at night? That's right near ASU campus, I've almost hit jaywalkers there multiple times at night because they're too stupid and lazy to walk over the the crosswalks and it's impossible to see them if they're between streetlights. I have little sympathy to be completely honest. I think the car should have better sensors to prevent this in the future, but it was really the victim's fault here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 i agree this is going to be messy figuring out everything. ultimately i still think they need to blame the car manufacturer for releasing their cars in an unsafe state. if the tech isnt there yet they should have the wisdom of not releasing faulty cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, KN said: So a woman was jaywalking in the dark at night? That's right near ASU campus, I've almost hit jaywalkers there multiple times at night because they're too stupid and lazy to walk over the the crosswalks and it's impossible to see them if they're between streetlights. I have little sympathy to be completely honest. I think the car should have better sensors to prevent this in the future, but it was really the victim's fault here. I mean, that's pretty subjective by your personal experience. But large scale, a real person may have been able to see the person and stop? Who knows right? But someone is dead, at the non hands of a robot. Idk.. I would love to fuck my girl on a 7 hour road trip and then just stumble out and say "we're here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The problem with the "waiting until it's ready" line is that liability must either be spelled out in statute or else it will only be determined through the courts. So assuming that state won't be able to come up with a framework for liability, the only way for us to figure it out is through a trial after someone gets hit and dies. When airplanes we're first introduced, courts originally imposed the liability on the victims in crashes, basically under the rationale of "airplanes are crazy and you knew what you were getting yourself into." It was only after years of society getting used to passenger airplanes that the case law began to flip to what it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Adminderaptorpat said: The problem with the "waiting until it's ready" line is that liability must either be spelled out in statute or else it will only be determined through the courts. So assuming that state won't be able to come up with a framework for liability, the only way for us to figure it out is through a trial after someone gets hit and dies. When airplanes we're first introduced, courts originally imposed the liability on the victims in crashes, basically under the rationale of "airplanes are crazy and you knew what you were getting yourself into." It was only after years of society getting used to passenger airplanes that the case law began to flip to what it is today. So, kind of a "can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" kind of thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yes, unless the state can pass a law that determines liability. But none of the parties you listed are going to say "yeah ok, pass a law that says I'm to blame if something happens" so without guidance from the courts, the legislative process would either get stuck or pass something based on the politics (like whoever doesn't lobby up gets stuck with the bill) rather than substantive policy repercussions. But like in my other example, sometimes it takes a while for courts to work out the best solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 I hear ya, well this family sure stands to make out financially if they play their cards right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 i do agree with the sentiment that if this is something we really want then we should try to work with it. something that all parties should be actively participating in its development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clu Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Uber just announced halt to all testing in cities just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkenwarrior Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 It's not like we didn't see this coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouvre Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Tbf I'd kill if I discovered I was in Tempe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuggnificent Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 57 minutes ago, Clu said: Uber just announced halt to all testing in cities just now. The humans fight back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Hound Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 ill care when a tesla car does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 It was bound to happen eventually. I really hope this won't impede any progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 That didn't take very long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said: it better be fixed in 5-10 years. i dont wanna drive anywhere ever again. When a car can safely drive itself, I'll buy one. When I'm not using it for myself, it will double as an Uber and get money for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: When a car can safely drive itself, I'll buy one. When I'm not using it for myself, it will double as an Uber and get money for me. You'll market it as smoker friendly, and it'll be a fancy moving ashtray with burnt upholstery in mere weeks.....It'll soon be used as a drug transport and you'll be brought up on charges because you'll think a brick of ice is a bag of moonrocks 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: When a car can safely drive itself, I'll buy one. When I'm not using it for myself, it will double as an Uber and get money for me. You'll buy one with what money? The peanuts you made from that tacky Jizzle store? Or do you mean with the pension I'll be using to pay off college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Clu said: I hear ya, well this family sure stands to make out financially if they play their cards right. Yeah, that's definitely not in doubt. All they need to do is sue every one of those parties, and the defendants between themselves will fight, probably bitterly, over who is liable. Plaintiff just has to sit back and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, naraku360 said: You'll buy one with what money? The peanuts you made from that tacky Jizzle store? Or do you mean with the pension I'll be using to pay off college? There's an auto dealer in my town who has a 1998 Mercury for five grand. Bet if I offer him $4,500 cash without putting him through the credit paperwork, the car can be mine today. Oh, but then there's that pesky insurance bullshit again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, 1938 Packard said: There's an auto dealer in my town who has a 1998 Mercury for five grand. Bet if I offer him $4,500 cash without putting him through the credit paperwork, the car can be mine today. Oh, but then there's that pesky insurance bullshit again... Does being this retarded hurt your brain as much as it hurts the rest of ours? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: There's an auto dealer in my town who has a 1998 Mercury for five grand. Bet if I offer him $4,500 cash without putting him through the credit paperwork, the car can be mine today. Oh, but then there's that pesky insurance bullshit again... Are you going to convert this 1998 Mercury to a self driving vehicle in the complex laundry room? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: When a car can safely drive itself, I'll buy one. When I'm not using it for myself, it will double as an Uber and get money for me. Too bad your supposed abstract reasoning skills that allow you to ace placement tests can't transfer to motor skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: Are you going to convert this 1998 Mercury to a self driving vehicle in the complex laundry room? I'm saying that by the time a vehicle could actually drive itself with fewer accidents than human drivers, there will eventually be some used ones for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Does being this retarded hurt your brain as much as it hurts the rest of ours? What's retarded about price haggling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 1938 Packard said: I'm saying that by the time a vehicle could actually drive itself with fewer accidents than human drivers, there will eventually be some used ones for sale. They already do, fuckwit. The vast majority of accidents involving self-driving cars happen because of external human error. As in, a normal driver crashes into it rather than the inverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 1938 Packard said: What's retarded about price haggling? Packie.... The computerized technology in a self-driving car is going to cost more on its own than a beat up Mercedes from a rundown dealership in the middle of Bumfucklta City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: I'm saying that by the time a vehicle could actually drive itself with fewer accidents than human drivers, there will eventually be some used ones for sale. So instead of saying that, you decided to tell us about an old ass car in your local penny pincher......Luckily, you'll be dead before any of this comes to fruition so let's talk about something else....I'm not in the mood for this brand of stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Packie.... The computerized technology in a self-driving car is going to cost more on its own than a beat up Mercedes from a rundown dealership in the middle of Bumfucklta City. Yes, I remember when a CD player was a $1,500 piece of professional grade DJ equipment and the guy at the.record store wouldn't show you a CD until you produced a valid credit card. Things change. That's why your phone has more computing power than a 486 and costs ten percent of what the 486 had cost when it was new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Yes, I remember when a CD player was a $1,500 piece of professional grade DJ equipment and the guy at the.record store wouldn't show you a CD until you produced a valid credit card. Things change. That's why your phone has more computing power than a 486 and costs ten percent of what the 486 had cost when it was new. And are CD players new? No, but I can easily find all sorts of new tech that costs more than $1500 without having be advamced enough to drive a car on its own. You're comparing a brand new kind of car to a 20 year old car at a shitty dealership in a decrepit, dying city. Just becauseit's a Mercedes doesn't mean it's still im great condition and if it's going for $4500, it's likely bordering unusable. Edited March 19, 2018 by naraku360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Clu said: Well... Who gets charged for manslaughter in this situation? Or going forward? I mean, the programmers? The company? The car manufacturer? Uber? Quite the conundrum. You left out the "Human Operator" who was actually behind the wheel. And inevitably, we'll need to add the hacker(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_N Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Clu said: I mean, that's pretty subjective by your personal experience. But large scale, a real person may have been able to see the person and stop? Who knows right? But someone is dead, at the non hands of a robot. Idk.. I would love to fuck my girl on a 7 hour road trip and then just stumble out and say "we're here" There was a real person in the car, behind the wheel. They didn't see the person and stop either. I think that says enough. The fact is that these self driving cars, even if they may occasionally be involved in fatalities, are already tens of thousands of times safer than human-operated cars. In my opinion, there's absolutely no question about their road worthiness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, naraku360 said: And are CD players new? No, but I can easily find all sorts of new tech that costs more than $1500 without having be advamced enough to drive a car on its own. You're comparing a brand new kind of car to a 20 year old car at a shitty dealership in a decrepit, dying city. Just becauseit's a Mercedes doesn't mean it's still im great condition and if it's going for $4500, it's likely bordering unusable. A self driving car won't be new in twenty years either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: A self driving car won't be new in twenty years either. You won't be alive to buy one in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, naraku360 said: You won't be alive to buy one in 20 years. That's what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 1938 Packard said: That's what you think. I'll bet your pension on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, naraku360 said: I'll bet your pension on it. Yes, Atorvostatin works nicely in this old steam engine. Edited March 20, 2018 by 1938 Packard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Yes, Atorvostatin works nicely in this old steam engine. LMAO.....You have a cholesteral problem?......My aunt takes that and she's fatter than bucket.....Why does your skinny, catfood eating ass have to take it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: LMAO.....You have a cholesteral problem?......My aunt takes that and she's fatter than bucket.....Why does your skinny, catfood eating ass have to take it. Because I eat a lot of steak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Too bad...shit would be nice to have. I waiting for my robot overloard to come take me to my harem of sex machines. The family must be devastated. I woud sue the shit out of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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