PokeNirvash Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 HIGH SCHOOL DxD/S-CRY-ED POWER HOUR, BABY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 5 hours ago, elfie said: Toonami is and always has been an action block. That I do not have a problem with. I DO have a problem with them sticking to one KIND of action cartoon. Well the problem here.... is they seem to be anti Harem and anti hot girl. Anti Harem means you can never air Re Zero, Gate, Konosuba, No Game no Life and tons of other good stuff, along with the more obvious harems like Highschool DxD, Highschool of the Dead, and Freezing. Come to think of it, if you're anti harem you couldn't even air Stein's Gate So no Harem, no anime with hot girls, no comedy, no moe, no slice of life That's just taking too much off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daos said: Well the problem here.... is they seem to be anti Harem and anti hot girl. Anti Harem means you can never air Re Zero, Gate, Konosuba, No Game no Life and tons of other good stuff, along with the more obvious harems like Highschool DxD, Highschool of the Dead, and Freezing. Come to think of it, if you're anti harem you couldn't even air Stein's Gate So no Harem, no anime with hot girls, no comedy, no moe, no slice of life That's just taking too much off the table. SAO would like a word with you. Also DeMarco stated on Pre-Flight that a little bit of sexiness is fine. It just can't be .... like ...... effin full-on Queens Blade. All Toonami shows have had varying amounts of comedy in them. Many Toonami shows have had female action girls that are hot. Edited February 1, 2018 by elfie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Except SAO barely counts as a harem because Kirito quickly picks Asuna and ya know, marries her. None of the other girls have a chance. I shall quote you.. "first off I'd like to officially inform all of you who said yes that you are indeed wrong. A harem is an ambiguously-defined subgenre of anime and manga characterized by a protagonist surrounded, usually amorously, by three or more members of the opposing sex and/or love interests. Kirito is indeed liked/loved by multiple girls, but it goes no farther. There's no petty scheming or play's to get him for themselves he is truly Asuna's seeing as there is really only 1 girl it cannot be a harem" When I say Harem I mean Harem. DxD, Highschool of the dead, Shuffle, Freezing, Familiar of Zero, Date A Live, The World God Only Knows, Trinity Seven... those are harems. Stein's Gate is more of a Harem than SAO. Just about every anime has a comedic moment in it somewhere. It doesn't make it a comedy. What hot girls are on Toonami? It seems like they're not comfortable with any type of Ecchi. Even Fairy Tail was too much for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Daos said: Except SAO barely counts as a harem because Kirito quickly picks Asuna and ya know, marries her. None of the other girls have a chance. I shall quote you.. "first off I'd like to officially inform all of you who said yes that you are indeed wrong. A harem is an ambiguously-defined subgenre of anime and manga characterized by a protagonist surrounded, usually amorously, by three or more members of the opposing sex and/or love interests. Kirito is indeed liked/loved by multiple girls, but it goes no farther. There's no petty scheming or play's to get him for themselves he is truly Asuna's seeing as there is really only 1 girl it cannot be a harem" When I say Harem I mean Harem. DxD, Highschool of the dead, Shuffle, Freezing, Familiar of Zero, Date A Live, The World God Only Knows, Trinity Seven... those are harems. Stein's Gate is more of a Harem than SAO. Just about every anime has a comedic moment in it somewhere. It doesn't make it a comedy. What hot girls are on Toonami? It seems like they're not comfortable with any type of Ecchi. Even Fairy Tail was too much for them. THANK YOU. I've been saying forever that SAO isn't a harem. Though, personally, I'm not really a fan of the genre. And to be fair, Toonami did air Tenchi Muyo GXP and Akame Ga Kill. I think they'd air a harem show if it had enough action and someone else didn't swipe it from under Demarco's nose. There are hot girls but I'm not sure how much fan service there is, not these days anyway. In a Q&A Demarco said there wasn't room on the block or the right deals to be able to get Fairy Tail. So I don't think fan service had anything to do with it. Besides, it seems pretty tame to me so far. Edited February 2, 2018 by ben0119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) On 1/31/2018 at 8:15 PM, Daos said: They really limited themselves by sticking to Shonen and action anime. Comedy, School, and Ecchi are the most popular according to Mal. Also... they're cheap as hell to make and likely much cheaper to acquire. If you're going to go the Shonen/ action route, you have to actually get the big ones. MHA, Mob Psycho, Overlord, Gate, Tanya. Toonami isn't good at change though, so I'm skeptical. Most of those shows are crap though and I have little interest in them. Personally I don't even see the point of ecchi when full-on hentai exists. I mean if that's what we have to resort to to keep the block alive I'm not sure it's worth it. But yes Toonami is an action block. Besides just the theming, I believe Demarco has said this is what gets the best ratings. But yeah the past few years they've been dropping the ball big time by not getting any of the big shows. On Twitter Demarco asked what genres of shows people would like besides action, with the qualifying statement that Toonami wasn't doing it, but just out of curiosity. So maybe the guy in that video saw that and ran with it. Maybe they are getting desperate and thinking of experimenting, who knows. Edited February 2, 2018 by ben0119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Tenchi yeah, but that's about it. Ummm Akame Ga Kill a harem? Hmmm. I say no. It's listed as "Action, Adventure, Fantasy" No harem tag. None of the girls seem to be seriously into him romantically nor do they seem heartbroken when he gets with Mine. And then everyone dies. Well the point is ....when you have a trashy hit like High school of the Dead... Toonami always manages to pass on it. Sure it's trashy, but it has action and it's a million times more entertaining than watching any of their Gundam shows. It's a combination of action, entertainment and boobs that would probably get ratings. DxD has tons of action, comedy, in addition to boobs. Fourth season coming out soon as well. I don't know, it doesn't seem like the block can get much lower. Might as well try some stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The longer time passes, the more I think Toonami only aired Akame ga KILL! as part of a package deal so they could air Parasyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 On 1/30/2018 at 11:04 AM, OwlChemist81 said: Good Lord, that's rough! What the hell happened? JoJo just barely missed the Top 50, and Gundam at #67 means that I can't even do my usual analysis this week! We're never gonna know how low they went in 18-34 unless I bug Mitch, and that's probably a bad idea. All this time, was Lupin an "anchor show" keeping everything before it from doing even worse!? It may have had TONS of weeks in the 400Ks but it NEVER fell into the 300Ks! Gundam IBO S2, shame on you. And what's sad is that was some GREAT action that kicked off the show and ended the ratings-wise ill-fated First Mobile Armor arc. But instead it's officially fallen to Wednesday Night Naruto Shippuden on Disney X-D levels. It's just like--DAMN! People don't give a shit about Gundam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daos said: Tenchi yeah, but that's about it. Ummm Akame Ga Kill a harem? Hmmm. I say no. It's listed as "Action, Adventure, Fantasy" No harem tag. None of the girls seem to be seriously into him romantically nor do they seem heartbroken when he gets with Mine. And then everyone dies. Well the point is ....when you have a trashy hit like High school of the Dead... Toonami always manages to pass on it. Sure it's trashy, but it has action and it's a million times more entertaining than watching any of their Gundam shows. It's a combination of action, entertainment and boobs that would probably get ratings. DxD has tons of action, comedy, in addition to boobs. Fourth season coming out soon as well. I don't know, it doesn't seem like the block can get much lower. Might as well try some stuff. Nevermind the tags. Have you seen the show? All the girls are into the Tatsumi, and even the gay guy. Even EsDeath, a villain, is into him. Was also a pretty bad show, but a fucking masterpiece compared to Tokyo Ghoul. Well I do admit that watching something trashy or schlocky could have it's own entertainment value. That kind of show can be fun. Nothing you'd take too seriously, of course. Sort of like Hellsing. Really if they aired Kill la Kill they should be able to get away with quite a lot. Of course High School of the Dead itself is pretty old by now. Haven't seen DxD, but it could work. Yeah they don't have much to lose haha. Edited February 2, 2018 by ben0119 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:06 AM, Daos said: Naruto beat the 2 shows before it and the entire last part of the block. I refuse to watch it but you can't argue with success. With an earlier timeslot I think it would have beaten Jojo and Clover as well. That doesn't say anything good about your anime block when Shippuden is one of your main draws. And to the HxH fans who always say it should move up... this is why it's 6th and is lucky to stay there. It's too bad about Dandy, I like Dandy. But I admit, he never made it into the mainstream and this is how it goes when you air something with no mainstream appeal. For retaining most of its viewers? Yeah, HxH is a shitshow. If it's gonna get punked by a Cowboy Bebop episode, I'm fully okay with it being Mushroom Samba. Picking up Black Clover on the other hand was a terrible idea that's killing the whole block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I don't hate Black Clover, but Demarco deserves some kind of divine retribution for forcing it on us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Daos said: Tenchi yeah, but that's about it. Ummm Akame Ga Kill a harem? Hmmm. I say no. It's listed as "Action, Adventure, Fantasy" No harem tag. None of the girls seem to be seriously into him romantically nor do they seem heartbroken when he gets with Mine. And then everyone dies. Well the point is ....when you have a trashy hit like High school of the Dead... Toonami always manages to pass on it. Sure it's trashy, but it has action and it's a million times more entertaining than watching any of their Gundam shows. It's a combination of action, entertainment and boobs that would probably get ratings. DxD has tons of action, comedy, in addition to boobs. Fourth season coming out soon as well. I don't know, it doesn't seem like the block can get much lower. Might as well try some stuff. Man people have utterly specific things they want to see in a Toonami show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: I don't hate Black Clover, but Demarco deserves some kind of divine retribution for forcing it on us. He's more merely the enabler, and the one who was given a good deal on airing it. I'd put most of the blame on whoever from the Japanese side wanted to make this show big... and maybe those who made the franchise profitable over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 hours ago, elfie said: Man people have utterly specific things they want to see in a Toonami show. I don't, that's the sad thing. I'm just saying you can't take 90 percent of anime off the table for your anime block just because it's harem or ecchi because that stuff is everywhere, even in some of the best anime of all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 hours ago, ben0119 said: Nevermind the tags. Have you seen the show? All the girls are into the Tatsumi, and even the gay guy. Even EsDeath, a villain, is into him. Was also a pretty bad show, but a fucking masterpiece compared to Tokyo Ghoul. Well I do admit that watching something trashy or schlocky could have it's own entertainment value. That kind of show can be fun. Nothing you'd take too seriously, of course. Sort of like Hellsing. Really if they aired Kill la Kill they should be able to get away with quite a lot. Of course High School of the Dead itself is pretty old by now. Haven't seen DxD, but it could work. Yeah they don't have much to lose haha. After careful consideration, I still say no to Akame being harem. Other than Mine and Esdeath no one shows any real romantic feeling for Tatsumi. Najenda? Nothing. Leone... some teasing but that's about it. Akame... seemed like she cared about Tatsumi the same way she cared about all of her teammates Bulat... maybe some mild flirting? Sheele.... Don't really remember anything other than her comforting him Chelsea.... He peeked on her in a hotspring once. Was there anything else? If everyone didn't constantly die, it could have easily turned into a harem. I think the most I'd say is that it's an action/fantasy anime with some harem elements I guess? But when I think harem I'm thinking more like Infinite Stratos, Haganai, or Familiar of Zero where it's a bunch of girls who blatantly love the mc and constantly fight over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 4:33 PM, Daos said: After careful consideration, I still say no to Akame being harem. Other than Mine and Esdeath no one shows any real romantic feeling for Tatsumi. Najenda? Nothing. Leone... some teasing but that's about it. Akame... seemed like she cared about Tatsumi the same way she cared about all of her teammates Bulat... maybe some mild flirting? Sheele.... Don't really remember anything other than her comforting him Chelsea.... He peeked on her in a hotspring once. Was there anything else? If everyone didn't constantly die, it could have easily turned into a harem. I think the most I'd say is that it's an action/fantasy anime with some harem elements I guess? But when I think harem I'm thinking more like Infinite Stratos, Haganai, or Familiar of Zero where it's a bunch of girls who blatantly love the mc and constantly fight over him. Well it definitely seemed like everything revolved around the protagonist more than it should. I remember everyone being more into Tatsumi than that. Other people were pointing it out too. But yeah it's probably not a full-on harem I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 3:28 PM, Daos said: I don't, that's the sad thing. I'm just saying you can't take 90 percent of anime off the table for your anime block just because it's harem or ecchi because that stuff is everywhere, even in some of the best anime of all time. 90 percent of anime is ecchi and harem? Think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, ben0119 said: 90 percent of anime is ecchi and harem? Think that's a bit of an exaggeration. It might be an exaggeration but then again, you may be underestimating the sheer number of shitty harem anime that get cranked out per year. It's so popular that even non harem anime like SAO and AGK feel obligated to throw in a harem element. Gate and Overlord which I frequently recommend for Toonami have that as well. Re: Zero and No Game no life... it's just everywhere. The only genres that seem to avoid this are Shonen and Sci Fi stuff like Gundam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Daos said: It might be an exaggeration but then again, you may be underestimating the sheer number of shitty harem anime that get cranked out per year. It's so popular that even non harem anime like SAO and AGK feel obligated to throw in a harem element. Gate and Overlord which I frequently recommend for Toonami have that as well. Re: Zero and No Game no life... it's just everywhere. The only genres that seem to avoid this are Shonen and Sci Fi stuff like Gundam. Well there is a lot otaku pandering shit that is for sure. But I'd like to not think it's that bad! SAO's story was originally written years ago though. Re: Zero is a harem? Not sure if I'm still interested in it now. I don't know about that. But maybe I just don't watch enough anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Re Zero has a harem element to it, not a full on harem anime. He's surrounded by a bunch of girls, one pair of twins, a half elf, a loli, a tsundere, and... a "girl" that's a trap. After 1 season only one girl is in love with him so far but its pretty obvious it's going to end up being more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I... see. A trap? Lovely. And this show is supposed to good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, ben0119 said: I... see. A trap? Lovely. And this show is supposed to good? Yup its pretty great. Even Stein's Gate has a trap =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Daos said: Yup its pretty great. Even Stein's Gate has a trap =P Ok. Maybe I'll check it out some day (can't count on Toonami anymore). Argh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Oh and guess what's finally getting an English Dub http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/12/26/re-zero-anime-english-dub-release/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now?! Jeez. I guess I'll wait for that then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 This would be IDEAL to replace Gundam IBO at 12:30 in May. But watch us get Tokyo Ghoul: Re instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 A big fan problem is that people have different ideas for what they think a harem is, much in the same way "spoiler" or "rip-off" have different meanings, so they fight over the right definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Re:Zero is decent, and I don't think it qualifies as a harem. It does a good job of playing with traveling to another world tropes, but the tone of the show jumps back and forth between cutesy and torture porn without transitioning well enough for me to feel anything during a lot of emotional moments. I am picky though, so a general audience will probably be more into it than I was. I found this very spoilery video summary today, and this is pretty much how I felt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said: This would be IDEAL to replace Gundam IBO at 12:30 in May. But watch us get Tokyo Ghoul: Re instead... And I wouldn't have a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 So, first of all, Re:Zero is not a harem. This shouldn't even be up for debate. Subaru loves Emilia but one of the maids loves him, and that's as far as it gets. For that matter, virtually all of the other girls in the show hate his guts. And the "trap" that was mentioned earlier is actually canonically transgender, considering this moment from a side story novel. And that article about the English dub confirms absolutely nothing. It just feels right that they would dub it "in Q2 2018", but that's just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Blatch said: So, first of all, Re:Zero is not a harem. This shouldn't even be up for debate. Subaru loves Emilia but one of the maids loves him, and that's as far as it gets. For that matter, virtually all of the other girls in the show hate his guts. And the "trap" that was mentioned earlier is actually canonically transgender, considering this moment from a side story novel. And that article about the English dub confirms absolutely nothing. It just feels right that they would dub it "in Q2 2018", but that's just speculation. I said it was non harem, but it will almost definitely end up having a harem element to it by the end of its run. Non harem anime toss in a harem element for the same reason they toss in lots of cute girls, it sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, SorceressPol said: Re:Zero is decent, and I don't think it qualifies as a harem. It does a good job of playing with traveling to another world tropes, but the tone of the show jumps back and forth between cutesy and torture porn without transitioning well enough for me to feel anything during a lot of emotional moments. I am picky though, so a general audience will probably be more into it than I was. I found this very spoilery video summary today, and this is pretty much how I felt about it. Gigguk doesn't do a very good job at this, imo. I think it may be a different video, but he's made explicitly clear he didn't think there was a "point" to the show despite the point being pretty clear. That and not understanding character motivations that were fairly self-evident. Edited February 4, 2018 by naraku360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Gigguk doesn't do a very good job at this, imo. I think it may be a different video, but he's made explicitly clear he didn't think there was a "point" to the show despite the point being pretty clear. That and not understanding character motivations that were fairly self-evident. He's not the only one who feels that way, and that's because Re:Zero tried to do too much without the writing being good enough to pull it off. It also relied on gore for shock value, which can be a distraction for viewers. When your goal seems to be more of a character development story instead of a big fantasy plot, your story needs more focus. I give them credit for the attempt at something a little different, and a lot of people do like the show, including its flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SorceressPol said: He's not the only one who feels that way, and that's because Re:Zero tried to do too much without the writing being good enough to pull it off. It also relied on gore for shock value, which can be a distraction for viewers. When your goal seems to be more of a character development story instead of a big fantasy plot, your story needs more focus. I give them credit for the attempt at something a little different, and a lot of people do like the show, including its flaws. I didn't find it especially gratuitous with gore, save episode 15 which was a very strong episode in its own right. With that exception and some brief moments here and there [mostly Beteguese] the violence was fairly tame. We're not talking Elfen Lied or Future Diary where there's no rhyme or reason to how pointlessly excessive the gore gets and there's far more character depth to it than either the aforementioned, even if Subaru becomes hard to "like" at some points - but Subaru's shiity behavior is directly tied to the point of the show. The only way I can see people missing the point is by not paying attention, really. They make it very clear that Subaru's growth is a criticism of contemporary reward-based heroism and very little was particularly confusing from a plot or character standpoint. It's not perfect in either respect and there are confusing moments from time to time, but the most significant parts were far from difficult to grasp. Like "the point" was made so clear that after a certain point I'm more willing to fault the viewer for not viewing it critically enough moreso than the show for not coddling. Edited February 5, 2018 by naraku360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, naraku360 said: I didn't find it especially gratuitous with gore, save episode 15 which was a very strong episode in its own right. With that exception and some brief moments here and there [mostly Beteguese] the violence was fairly tame. We're not talking Elfen Lied or Future Diary where there's no rhyme or reason to how pointlessly excessive the gore gets and there's far more character depth to it than either the aforementioned, even if Subaru becomes hard to "like" at some points - but Subaru's shiity behavior is directly tied to the point of the show. The only way I can see people missing the point is by not paying attention, really. They make it very clear that Subaru's growth is a criticism of contemporary reward-based heroism and very little was particularly confusing from a plot or character standpoint. It's not perfect in either respect and there are confusing moments from time to time, but the most significant parts were far from difficult to grasp. Like "the point" was made so clear that after a certain point I'm more willing to fault the viewer for not viewing it critically enough moreso than the show for not coddling. Many people understood what the show was about, but when it fails to deliver in execution, the story itself can feel pointless. That is solely on the showrunners, not the viewers. As for the gore, it's not about quantity, but about how it's used. If they make me yawn and roll my eyes, then they're not done very well. Also, 2016 had way better shows with good character development, which is why Re:Zero's felt so weak in comparison to me. Edited February 5, 2018 by SorceressPol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 58 minutes ago, SorceressPol said: Many people understood what the show was about, but when it fails to deliver in execution, the story itself can feel pointless. That is solely on the showrunners, not the viewers. As for the gore, it's not about quantity, but about how it's used. If they make me yawn and roll my eyes, then they're not done very well. Also, 2016 had way better shows with good character development, which is why Re:Zero's felt so weak in comparison to me. I wasn't talking about quantity. In fact, I was talking about how it was used. It only felt "shock value" in, like, one scene and didn't feel it detracted from the scene. For the most part, it actively avoided showing much gore at all. Even episode 7(?)'s opening death sequence wasn't all that graphic, despite being pretty brutal. But we weren't talking about people who understood the show. If you have to preface a video essay with something like "I didn't understand the point, there probably is none" [as Gigguk did in one of his Re:Zero videos] you probably shouldn't be giving breakdowns of it. And someone not understanding the point of a show that has an entire episode dedicated to two characters discussing the point of the show does boggle my mind, rightfully so. I'd disagree about it not delivering considering it was definitely my favorite of 2016. I really don't care how focused a show is if the material contributes to the story and none of the many detours were arbitrary or meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Please watch the spoilers, y'all! We might ACTUALLY get this show on Toonami! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 What we can learn from the end in all this is that, like everything else about an anime, the execution of its ideas is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 hours ago, naraku360 said: I wasn't talking about quantity. In fact, I was talking about how it was used. It only felt "shock value" in, like, one scene and didn't feel it detracted from the scene. For the most part, it actively avoided showing much gore at all. Even episode 7(?)'s opening death sequence wasn't all that graphic, despite being pretty brutal. But we weren't talking about people who understood the show. If you have to preface a video essay with something like "I didn't understand the point, there probably is none" [as Gigguk did in one of his Re:Zero videos] you probably shouldn't be giving breakdowns of it. And someone not understanding the point of a show that has an entire episode dedicated to two characters discussing the point of the show does boggle my mind, rightfully so. I'd disagree about it not delivering considering it was definitely my favorite of 2016. I really don't care how focused a show is if the material contributes to the story and none of the many detours were arbitrary or meaningless. I'll put this behind spoiler tags. *Cough* Even though I was the one using general descriptions unlike the true guilty party. This video doesn't have commentary other than a parody of the characters voices/actions(admittedly some exaggerated and out of context but does touch on parts I had problems with), and I'm kind of unwilling to look up more videos by that dude because no one is really that interesting to me. I'm still understanding of people who didn't see a point to the story because when there's bad execution, there's confusion about what's intentional or not. What probably made this show miss the mark for me was watching it too close to March Comes in Like a Lion. God I wish MCILAL would work well on Toonami because that is one of the best examples of an anime with character development as the main element of the plot that I've seen in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said: What we can learn from the end in all this is that, like everything else about an anime, the execution of its ideas is subjective. This is why I tacked on to earlier my posts on this topic how picky I am. More things are going to bug me than other folks, and my brain doesn't turn off unless the show succeeds at what it's trying to accomplish and keeps me too engrossed to criticize anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, SorceressPol said: I'll put this behind spoiler tags. *Cough* Even though I was the one using general descriptions unlike the true guilty party. Hide contents This video doesn't have commentary other than a parody of the characters voices/actions(admittedly some exaggerated and out of context but does touch on parts I had problems with), and I'm kind of unwilling to look up more videos by that dude because no one is really that interesting to me. I'm still understanding of people who didn't see a point to the story because when there's bad execution, there's confusion about what's intentional or not. What probably made this show miss the mark for me was watching it too close to March Comes in Like a Lion. God I wish MCILAL would work well on Toonami because that is one of the best examples of an anime with character development as the main element of the plot that I've seen in years. I know it's not in that video, it was elsewherw. "Bad execution" is about as useful as "dat stupid". It's so vague it could mean just about anything. Like, how do I pose a counterpoint that isn't "I didn't think it was executed badly"? Not much of a conversation then. And viewers get confused over the silliest things. If you can't figure it out when it's practically spelled out, I don't know what to tell the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Here's more great anime for 2018 that we won't be seeing on Toonami http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2018/02/05/steinsgate-0-anime-site-launches-with-visual-and-character-designs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Daos said: Here's more great anime for 2018 that we won't be seeing on Toonami http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2018/02/05/steinsgate-0-anime-site-launches-with-visual-and-character-designs But wasn’t the original a psychological thriller? Damn good one, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 14 hours ago, Daos said: Here's more great anime for 2018 that we won't be seeing on Toonami http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2018/02/05/steinsgate-0-anime-site-launches-with-visual-and-character-designs I wouldn't expect to see that on Toonami, at least not as a simul-dub. Interestingly enough, if any TV network *cough*Syfy*cough* were to ever think about airing the first season, airing this what appears to be prequel season first would seem to be a decent idea... ...if this was 2015 and Toonami's ratings were still great, but at LEAST they got better in week 2 of this Dandy schedule with no Cable Originals after 12:30: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-2-3-2018.html Dragon Ball Super not only WON THE NIGHT among cable originals in 18-34, DBZ Kai: Final Chapters also tied for 3rd (with Live PD), Black Clover tied for 4th (with 10 AM SportsCenter), and JoJo tied for 6th (with 1 AM Two And A Half Men). In 18-49, the shows all performed much better, though DBS still lost by a full 0.2 to LIve PD. That show's popularity astounds me, but if you ask me, they should have done a Special Edition Sunday Night after the Super Bowl covering all the chaos in Philly. Boy, I can hardly wait until that show goes on hiatus again and Toonami's ratings might be able to shine again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 So the middle and late slots now got a THIRD. A THIRD. Of the ratings DBZ shows got. UUUGH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Not true. More like just under half, depending upon the demographic, and that's only the case for Super. Besides, thus far the latest show we've seen is 5th out of 11. That's mid-block, but still in the first half. Later on we'll see if Naruto's kitty-fest could beat earlier shows. For now: Total Viewers Show People Retention DBS 1,032,000 N/A DBZKFC 819,000 79.36% BClover 650,000 79.37% JoJo 515,000 79.23% Gundam 492,000 95.53% Adults 18-34 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.58 394,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.47 319,000 81.03% BClover 0.38 258,000 80.85% JoJo 0.31 211,000 81.58% Gundam 0.28 190,000 90.32% Adults 18-49 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.49 628,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.39 500,000 79.59% BClover 0.3 385,000 76.92% JoJo 0.25 321,000 83.33% Gundam 0.24 308,000 96.00% At least everything is pretty strongly above 300K 18-49, and that's pretty good. Maybe Hunter x Hunter grew from there? Adults 18-49 Show Rank Change DBS #2 +2 DBZKFC #5 +6 BClover #14 +20 JoJo #23 +28 Gundam #26 +41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 2/5/2018 at 9:30 AM, naraku360 said: I know it's not in that video, it was elsewherw. "Bad execution" is about as useful as "dat stupid". It's so vague it could mean just about anything. Like, how do I pose a counterpoint that isn't "I didn't think it was executed badly"? Not much of a conversation then. And viewers get confused over the silliest things. If you can't figure it out when it's practically spelled out, I don't know what to tell the person. Cause I ain't gots time to write an essay, dammit. I have to write too many chapters and design a book cover. Anyways, some specific big flaws in Re:Zero are that the emotional reactions MC has to some major events feel too unrealistic, and the main baddie was a letdown. I was surprised by how much I liked the whale fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) So not as dismal as last weeks ultra bad ratings.. but still bad. 79 percent retention for the first 3 shows. Only DBZ shows above 700k. Crolls most popular anime list is out for Winter http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/02/06-1/feature-crunchyrolls-most-popular-winter-anime-by-country-europe Edited February 6, 2018 by Daos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 You might want to link to the U.S. map... http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/02/02-1/feature-crunchyrolls-most-popular-winter-anime-by-state-us Hmmm, Darling In The Franxx rules Georgia--interesting... BACK to the ratings, something I noticed last week from Programming Insider I hadn't pointed out yet, I don't think: Family Guy (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) – 1.078 million viewers (#27) – 0.66 HH (#26) – 0.42 A18-49 (#8) – 0.52 A18-34 (#4) Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) – 0.999 million viewers (#31) – 0.62 HH (#31) – 0.42 A18-49 (#8) – 0.56 A18-34 (#2) Yes, that's right. DBS gained on Family Guy in Adults 18-34 on 1/27, but did it also happen last Saturday? We'll find out in a little while! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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