Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Cau said: Idk, I'm torn. I feel like it defeats like the entire point of driving. That seems to be a common sentiment. Recreational driving. would you be ok with, in your lifetime, all cars being self driven and manually driving your own car being illegal?
Cau Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Poof said: That seems to be a common sentiment. Recreational driving. would you be ok with, in your lifetime, all cars being self driven and manually driving your own car being illegal? It wouldn't really bother me I guess.
Codename: Jackass Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Poof said: I don’t think it makes you anti-technology to question who benefits from things or whether the rate of change is dangerous or not. I've seen a few opinions online and in the real world that embrace the ever accelerating pace of technological advancement. I'm sure that's not really the norm yet, but the younger generations will probably increasingly see it as a good thing until things really go tits-up. I just imagine more of a Borg scenario than "FUCK YEAH I'VE GOT BOOSTER ROCKETS THAT POP OUT OF MY BACK" scenario. But I do want some fuckin' booster rockets. I was promised flying cars and I'm still waiting.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, empty said: OOH I KNOW YOU'RE NOT REPLYING TO ME BUT I HAVE TO GIVE MY TWO CENTS Great technology that can and probably will be misused at some point. Proprietary vehicles that can literally drive themselves to the shop without your approval for routine maintenance and automatically charge to your credit or debit account. Likely will be exploited at some point by hackers for any number or crimes, from simple theft to murder or assassination. Corporations and governments can track your every move made in that car (not that they can't do it already with your smartphone but it's another mode of surveillance). But that's the tradeoff for safer roads and more efficient travel. It’s ok! Reply to anything in this thread. I’m really liking hearing everyone’s thoughts. So I have another question for you... if we reached an economic transcendence, like we’re beyond money, war, and everyone benefitted equally, could you think of anything else bad about tech, AI/ML, automation?
PhilosipherStoned Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 meh is how I feel. If you can get hip and stay hip to new technology curves you can make some easy money though so I wont complain.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mewn said: hmmm, I'd love to try it but if I didn't care for it I'd unplug since they had that option lol If you were completely satisfied there and happy enough, do you think you would ever unplug and die just to die? I don’t mean like out of boredom. Like.. do you think you’d be drawn to death for its own sake and not as an escape?
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, Em7add4 said: I'd be into it. Let's go immortality tech! You’d want to be immortal?
Mewn Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Poof said: If you were completely satisfied there and happy enough, do you think you would ever unplug and die just to die? I don’t mean like out of boredom. Like.. do you think you’d be drawn to death for its own sake and not as an escape? If I was truly happy there then I probably would not unplug just to die. But on a different level, it would be an interesting thought to contemplate. Since it's just a button away to finally to find out the end. Personally, it would depend on where I am in the simulation with others. If I'm satisfied, then no. If I'm not and I need to have some sort of ending, then ya.
Codename: Jackass Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Poof said: It’s ok! Reply to anything in this thread. I’m really liking hearing everyone’s thoughts. So I have another question for you... if we reached an economic transcendence, like we’re beyond money, war, and everyone benefitted equally, could you think of anything else bad about tech, AI/ML, automation? Most of my fears are predicated on a status quo that continues into the future. I think, if we do one day transcend the fetterings of our modern existence and everyone works for the common good of everyone else, technology will probably be used more responsibly. But I think we have to have a tipping point in the wrong direction first. An "apocalypse" of sorts. It has to get worse before it gets better.
Em7add4 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Poof said: You’d want to be immortal? I'm terrified of death We die because our cells stop replacing themselves and quality decreases. There's no reason we couldn't stop that. I'm only a quarter joking >_> In all seriousness, technology has improved quality of life immensely. I mean, yeah nuclear weapons are a thing and that sucks but medicine and entertainment and travel and convenience. All positives and I can only see things improving in the future.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, Saiyanman said: While I haven't been on this plane of existence very long, I've lived through a few changes with technology. Sad thing is, I've become so desensitized, it doesn't amaze me. So do you think it’s happening too fast? Or is the densensitization something else?
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, StarPanda said: Good but it will doom us all Haha I think I get you. So it’s good for humanity to be doomed?
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, Cau said: It wouldn't really bother me I guess. Fair enough.
lupin_bebop Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Poof said: Is there ever too much? Or any lines that shouldn’t be crossed? Not really. Now, there is an uncanny valley. Sex dolls are the uncanny valley......that's kinda the line.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Mewn said: If I was truly happy there then I probably would not unplug just to die. But on a different level, it would be an interesting thought to contemplate. Since it's just a button away to finally to find out the end. Personally, it would depend on where I am in the simulation with others. If I'm satisfied, then no. If I'm not and I need to have some sort of ending, then ya. Gotcha I think. So the mystery of death would never be enough to make you do it. Edited January 2, 2018 by Poof Fixed
Mewn Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Poof said: Gotcha I think. So the mystery of death would never be enough to make you do it. Ya, basically
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, lupin_bebop said: Not really. Now, there is an uncanny valley. Sex dolls are the uncanny valley......that's kinda the line. What’s wrong with sex dolls?
Codename: Jackass Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Poof said: What’s wrong with sex dolls? The glassy, dead-eyed stare and lack of warmth.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mewn said: Ya, basically I guess there is some fear in letting go
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, Em7add4 said: I'm terrified of death We die because our cells stop replacing themselves and quality decreases. There's no reason we couldn't stop that. I'm only a quarter joking >_> In all seriousness, technology has improved quality of life immensely. I mean, yeah nuclear weapons are a thing and that sucks but medicine and entertainment and travel and convenience. All positives and I can only see things improving in the future. What about the end of spacetime and the universe?
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, empty said: Most of my fears are predicated on a status quo that continues into the future. I think, if we do one day transcend the fetterings of our modern existence and everyone works for the common good of everyone else, technology will probably be used more responsibly. But I think we have to have a tipping point in the wrong direction first. An "apocalypse" of sorts. It has to get worse before it gets better. Unfortunately I think you’re probably right
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, empty said: The glassy, dead-eyed stare and lack of warmth. Quit watching my porn
Em7add4 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Poof said: What about the end of spacetime and the universe? Death is inevitable one way or another. I've come to terms with that in some way. But people used to die earlier than they do now, we can at least prolong it. Maybe indefinitely until an outside force enacts. And, not to be disgustingly optimistic, but if the smartest minds lived for hundreds of years they might be able to stop the heat death of the universe. Although, you know, entropy and all literally forbids it.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, empty said: I was being self deprecating “glassy dead-eyed stare and lack of warmth”
Mewn Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Poof said: I guess there is some fear in letting go Yeah especially if you meet a cutie. I wanted more eps to that one episode >_> Cuz I wanted to know if the relationship lasted or if they decided to unplug.
Codename: Jackass Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Poof said: I was being self deprecating “glassy dead-eyed stare and lack of warmth” I know you were, but I, too, have a glassy eyed stare. 1
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Em7add4 said: Death is inevitable one way or another. I've come to terms with that in some way. But people used to die earlier than they do now, we can at least prolong it. Maybe indefinitely until an outside force enacts. And, not to be disgustingly optimistic, but if the smartest minds lived for hundreds of years they might be able to stop the heat death of the universe. Although, you know, entropy and all literally forbids it. That’s what I’m getting at. If humanity could do it and u were uber-king so the decision was up to you, would you stop the heat death of the universe or allow it to happen?
lupin_bebop Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Poof said: What’s wrong with sex dolls? Nothing is wrong. That is the uncanny valley, though.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Mewn said: Yeah especially if you meet a cutie. I wanted more eps to that one episode >_> Cuz I wanted to know if the relationship lasted or if they decided to unplug. I like to think they unplugged together but that’s just me
Mewn Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, Poof said: I like to think they unplugged together but that’s just me Awww, that's so cute, yeah I'd love that ending. awwwww. 1
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, lupin_bebop said: Nothing is wrong. That is the uncanny valley, though. Yea but it’s a valley. Eventually they’re passable and it’s not creepy anymore
Em7add4 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Poof said: That’s what I’m getting at. If humanity could do it and u were uber-king so the decision was up to you, would you stop the heat death of the universe or allow it to happen? Oh for sure. A lot of people probably shouldn't live forever, and then there's moral ramifications; if someone shouldn't live forever who decides? But I continue to not want to die, so I'm into it.
lupin_bebop Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Do you KNOW what the uncanny valley is? The concept of the uncanny valley suggests that humanoid objects which appear almost, but not exactly, like real human beings elicit uncanny, or strangely familiar, feelings of eeriness and revulsion in observers.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Em7add4 said: Oh for sure. A lot of people probably shouldn't live forever, and then there's moral ramifications; if someone shouldn't live forever who decides? But I continue to not want to die, so I'm into it. Not worried that it’s cyclical?
Em7add4 Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Poof said: Not worried that it’s cyclical? Who NEEDS kids, really?
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, lupin_bebop said: Do you KNOW what the uncanny valley is? The concept of the uncanny valley suggests that humanoid objects which appear almost, but not exactly, like real human beings elicit uncanny, or strangely familiar, feelings of eeriness and revulsion in observers. I do... you don’t. I’m sorry.
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Em7add4 said: Who NEEDS kids, really? J/w!
Bouvre Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, lupin_bebop said: Do you KNOW what the uncanny valley is? The concept of the uncanny valley suggests that humanoid objects which appear almost, but not exactly, like real human beings elicit uncanny, or strangely familiar, feelings of eeriness and revulsion in observers. I see graphs like this for uncanny valley all the time and wonder what lies beyond human likeness -- how the graph might continue past "healthy person" also slightly weirded out by "healthy" Is an unhealthy person less human? But I'm also curious about the bunraku puppet, how a directly-human-controlled figure comes closer to human likeness than an android, which ideally displays autonomy and ideally passes the Turing test.
TrigunBebop Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords. 1
Chapinator_X Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Much like with anything, it was amazing up until some asshole thought, "Say, we're making alot of money from this, but how can we make MORE money?" 2
death_by_motorboat Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Poof said: Good? Bad? Any thoughts? i want a coffee pot that serves me freshly made coffee without programming and cleans itself a coffee robot Edited January 2, 2018 by mumbojummie13
Phillies Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 Getting sick of it.. I'd rather just be a caveman and stay in the cave all day. 1
Vamped Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 15 hours ago, Poof said: So would you want to live in San junipero forever or would you want to die naturally? The question that gets me with the episodes like San Junipero and Black Musuem is ... how can you know for sure, you're not actually dead. Is the "self" they upload just a copy? If you believe in a soul, what happens to your soul when your body dies?!
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 6 hours ago, imchapp.in said: Much like with anything, it was amazing up until some asshole thought, "Say, we're making alot of money from this, but how can we make MORE money?" And everyone was like “Hey here’s more of my money. Would you like some of my data too? Wanna know where I live cuz I’m fine with that.”
Vamped Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Poof said: What’s wrong with sex dolls? people apparently dont know how to treat sex dolls https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/samantha-sex-robot-molested_us_59cec9f9e4b06791bb10a268 Edited January 2, 2018 by Vamped
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vamped said: The question that gets me with the episodes like San Junipero and Black Musuem is ... how can you know for sure, you're not actually dead. Is the "self" they upload just a copy? If you believe in a soul, what happens to your soul when your body dies?! Really any uploaded immortal mind would be like a copy. You’d probably need to keep the brain alive in a jar or something to have an immortal matrix thing going on. unless we learn something major about consciousness/the soul/essence/mojo that contradicts what I just said
Poof Posted January 2, 2018 Author Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Vamped said: people apparently dont know how to treat sex dolls https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/samantha-sex-robot-molested_us_59cec9f9e4b06791bb10a268 I agree w/him that they’re not a good idea (I would say that no matter what tho right?) I was just pushing ppl for answers last night
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