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Let's assume you are dating a girl, you really like this girl and she's pretty (at least to you). After several dates she decides to get sexual.

 

You go back to your place, she's getting naked, you're getting naked. And suddenly you realize, she has both a penis and a vagina (of sorts). While this is pretty rare (even for an intersex person) it is not totally unheard of.

 

Assuming you didn't pass out, or run out of the room screaming like a little boy, do you think you would consider it gay to suck her cock (the intersexed girl that you like, and who was born this way biologically)?

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No

 

But seriously though, that's very open minded of you. I think there are plenty of others that would have some serious internal conflicts with this type of scenario. Intersex people are a bit difficult to explain away by even the most staunch anti-gay individual.

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Let's assume you are dating a girl, you really like this girl and she's pretty (at least to you). After several dates she decides to get sexual.

 

You go back to your place, she's getting naked, you're getting naked. And suddenly you realize, she has both a penis and a vagina (of sorts). While this is pretty rare (even for an intersex person) it is not totally unheard of.

 

Assuming you didn't pass out, or run out of the room screaming like a little boy, do you think you would consider it gay to suck her cock (the intersexed girl that you like, and who was born this way biologically)?

 

several dates? No mention of this?

 

After we have sex (me inside her, not her inside me) we're gonna have a talk.....

normally it would be before, but I apparently put several dates into this, soooo  ::)

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several dates? No mention of this?

 

This is what'd I take issue with. I wouldn't expect her to tell me she has a dick the second we meet but don't just spring it on me in the bedroom.

 

Is it gay? Well if it's a fully functioning penis, then yeah?

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:(

 

Nothing against you...plenty of father figure type gents out there who would gladly step in

 

the little sense I have recognized that fatherhood just isn't in the cards for me....it's what's best

 

 

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Nigga you gay.

 

The scenario of penis discovery bothers me a lot less than the fact that this is at least the second time I've seen you do something of this nature.  Like that time you asked if you dated a black dude if it was ok for you to refer to him as my nigga.  Maybe to that individual himself, but you can't ask a collective and get an affirmative for this because no matter who you're sleeping with, I'm not trying to hear any N-bombs out of you.

 

Just as being black doesn't give me a pass in homophobic terminology, being gay doesn't excuse the use of racial epithets.  I ignored it the first time because I know you're generally a good dude, but I figure you might be unaware.

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The scenario of penis discovery bothers me a lot less than the fact that this is at least the second time I've seen you do something of this nature.  Like that time you asked if you dated a black dude if it was ok for you to refer to him as my nigga.  Maybe to that individual himself, but you can't ask a collective and get an affirmative for this because no matter who you're sleeping with, I'm not trying to hear any N-bombs out of you.

 

Just as being black doesn't give me a pass in homophobic terminology, being gay doesn't excuse the use of racial epithets.  I ignored it the first time because I know you're generally a good dude, but I figure you might be unaware.

 

So, just curious do you not like when anyone is throwing the word around or are in the "It's our word only we can use it" camp?

 

I don't think of any of that, just heard Sanstone as Riley from The Boondocks in my head.

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So, just curious do you not like when anyone is throwing the word around or are in the "It's our word only we can use it" camp?

 

I don't think of any of that, just heard Sanstone as Riley from The Boondocks in my head.

 

Does it matter?  I'm constantly told I'm being too sensitive when I hear white people bandy about a weaponized word with little to no regard of where it came from, but if I call some random lady who's writing a paper check a f****t, I need to be ashamed of myself. 

 

The camp I'm in is "You can't have it both ways"

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Does it matter?  I'm constantly told I'm being too sensitive when I hear white people bandy about a weaponized word with little to no regard of where it came from, but if I call some random lady who's writing a paper check a f****t, I need to be ashamed of myself. 

 

The camp I'm in is "You can't have it both ways"

 

A little bit, maybe. If you have ever went around calling people nigga then I do think you contribute to the misunderstanding of some that it's okay word to throw around. I know I felt that way after HS for a year or so when almost every black person I knew referred to me as it now and then if not constantly. (has also happened at work with people in their 30s though not as common) I don't see you do it in posts but many speak quite differently in person than in forums.

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Does it matter?  I'm constantly told I'm being too sensitive when I hear white people bandy about a weaponized word with little to no regard of where it came from, but if I call some random lady who's writing a paper check a f****t, I need to be ashamed of myself. 

 

The camp I'm in is "You can't have it both ways"

 

Context is key, but even with that in mind it is ridiculous to run double standards. Both of my parents, on many, separate occasions, have called me a "faggot," among other things. Obviously, by context alone that was offensive and hurtful to me. Most times I hear slurs hurled at me, it doesn't mean a damn thing. And if it does, we can go from there. But again, as you said, you can't smear someone and then turn around and get offended when someone does it right back. It's all or nothing.

 

This age of SJWs is making a mockery of all that anyways. Some of these little shits don't understand just how good they have it and something as minor as not using their brand new, alien-sounding pronouns immediately after explaining them sends these people flying off the handle. It's things like that that have left me to dictate where I take my offense strictly to context.

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A little bit, maybe. If you have ever went around calling people nigga then I do think you contribute to the misunderstanding of some that it's okay word to throw around. I know I felt that way after HS for a year or so when almost every black person I knew referred to me as it now and then if not constantly. (has also happened at work with people in their 30s though not as common) I don't see you do it in posts but many speak quite differently in person than in forums.

 

That's convenient......Has anyone ever called you a f****t. 

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Interesting, because white people have only called me nigga in derogatory ways.  Doesn't really help that OP admitted he started this thread JUST to use the term.

 

So I'm guessing your answer earlier would've been no then. I just can't agree if you said to a white person "What's up my N?" and get upset if he said back "not much my N", that would bug me. I can't argue with that, not siding with OP just wondered for discussion. 

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So I'm guessing your answer earlier would've been no then. I just can't agree if you said to a white person "What's up my N?" and get upset if he said back "not much my N", that would bug me. I can't argue with that, not siding with OP just wondered for discussion.

 

There is no other word in the english language that says "I used to own you." Thirty some odd years of songs don't wash away 500 years of history.

 

The everyday use of the benign form of this word is even debated within black culture.

 

The fact that you feel your use or non-use of this word is up for debate is why expressions like white privilege are in circulation today.

 

Why would you think that a word "bugging you" surpasses all this?

 

 

 

 

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There is no other word in the english language that says "I used to own you." Thirty some odd years of songs don't wash away 500 years of history.

 

The everyday use of the benign form of this word is even debated within black culture.

 

The fact that you feel your use or non-use of this word is up for debate is why expressions like white privilege are in circulation today.

 

Why would you think that a word "bugging you" surpasses all this?

 

Hold on now did I say buddy shouldn't be offened or that OP or I should be throwing around N-bombs? That debate in black culture you mentioned is what I asked about because I feel anyone making light of the word and using it in a friendly way is part of the problem.

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Hold on now did I say buddy shouldn't be offened or that OP or I should be throwing around N-bombs? That debate in black culture you mentioned is what I asked about because I feel anyone making light of the word and using it in a friendly way is part of the problem.

 

In your argument you intimated that the "friendly" use of the word in return should not be met with criticism. That it's use in black culture in this fashion leads to "confusion."

 

First, in the scenario you posed, nothing comes from the black guy saying "what's up my N" to the white guy. Nothing negative anyway. The same can't be said the other way around because that exchange doesn't exist in a bubble. That word holds weight that even your black friends approval can't shoulder.

 

Second, black people tried to take a word that de-humanized them and tried to pull off the mother of all re-branding efforts. Now the extent of their success or the continued use of the word in it's current state has nothing to do with being "part of the problem." (The problem being the racist undertones of even a friendly white guy using the N word in a passive manner i.e. Bill Maher)

 

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btw, nothing against you, this is all in fair discussion.

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So I'm guessing your answer earlier would've been no then. I just can't agree if you said to a white person "What's up my N?" and get upset if he said back "not much my N", that would bug me. I can't argue with that, not siding with OP just wondered for discussion.

 

First off, I don't give white people a jump-off point to use the word, and any black person who refers to you as such is doing it of their own free will.  Does not excuse the weaponized factors of it.

 

Look, if I use f****t, I don't spend several posts trying to defend it's use and wonder why someone is upset I said it.  In fact when Sorce asked me a week or so ago why I would say it, I replied "because I'm an asshole"......I'm fully aware of why people say I shouldn't use it, and if I use it I don't question the backlash I get.....I used a derogatory term, and wether or not I used it in a different context, I know there are gay people that saw me say it.  If you throw a rock, don't be a pussy and hide your hands.

 

White people are so privileged and entitled, it hurts their little feefees to the core.  "why cant I say it, he said it, he even said it to me, I was just singing a song, why are you taking my teeth out of my head".......It's that unbridled ignorance that makes it so white people can NEVER use the word because they don't understand for 1 iota of a second why it's wrong.  If you want to use it, at least admit to being juuuuuuuuust racist enough that you need to be able to use a racist term because you just need some small excuse to get away with it unchecked.

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In your argument you intimated that the "friendly" use of the word in return should not be met with criticism. That it's use in black culture in this fashion leads to "confusion."

 

First, in the scenario you posed, nothing comes from the black guy saying "what's up my N" to the white guy. Nothing negative anyway. The same can't be said the other way around because that exchange doesn't exist in a bubble. That word holds weight that even your black friends approval can't shoulder.

 

Second, black people tried to take a word that de-humanized them and tried to pull off the mother of all re-branding efforts. Now the extent of their success or the continued use of the word in it's current state has nothing to do with being "part of the problem." (The problem being the racist undertones of even a friendly white guy using the N word in a passive manner i.e. Bill Maher)

 

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btw, nothing against you, this is all in fair discussion.

 

Fair point for sure I may have worded that wrong. I don't believe that retorting back with the N word shouldn't be met with criticism. Just that it's hypocritical of the black man in that scenario. I do believe it's use leads to confusion but don't think people should accept that either, if it's respectful like buddy was with OP. Nowadays if someone calls me an N I don't do so back(maybe it has out of old habit but generally I don't) but I used to without giving it a second thought even in my early 20s I believe. And I really didn't know any better I was one of those people that thought ending it in 'a instead of 'er was al good. Atleast in certain in certain context, never did I think using the word around people that don't know me wouldn't lead to trouble.

 

And yeah it's all good, I didn't think that.

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First off, I don't give white people a jump-off point to use the word, and any black person who refers to you as such is doing it of their own free will.  Does not excuse the weaponized factors of it.

 

Look, if I use f****t, I don't spend several posts trying to defend it's use and wonder why someone is upset I said it.  In fact when Sorce asked me a week or so ago why I would say it, I replied "because I'm an asshole"......I'm fully aware of why people say I shouldn't use it, and if I use it I don't question the backlash I get.....I used a derogatory term, and wether or not I used it in a different context, I know there are gay people that saw me say it.  If you throw a rock, don't be a pussy and hide your hands.

 

White people are so privileged and entitled, it hurts their little feefees to the core.  "why cant I say it, he said it, he even said it to me, I was just singing a song, why are you taking my teeth out of my head".......It's that unbridled ignorance that makes it so white people can NEVER use the word because they don't understand for 1 iota of a second why it's wrong.  If you want to use it, at least admit to being juuuuuuuuust racist enough that you need to be able to use a racist term because you just need some small excuse to get away with it unchecked.

 

That was what I asked about in the first place but you declined to answer, I respect that.

 

I didn't say you shouldn't be upset, I saw your first post and wondered your full stance on it. I know you can be asshole, you're fgt coment you just brought up being a good example. That's why I asked if you would call some a N and get mad when they say it back. I wasn't siding with OP or you particulary, was just curious. I didn't mean to start a whole debate but that's alright all I've done here lately is rot my brain, can be good sometimes.

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I would try to tuck their penis between their vagina and try to fit my penis in whatever crevice forms that's most identical to a vagina. If that fails then I'd tug on their little guy hard enough to see if maybe there's some form or function to their vagina that I could gain access to by using their penis as some lever to a gate.

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This is what'd I take issue with. I wouldn't expect her to tell me she has a dick the second we meet but don't just spring it on me in the bedroom.

 

Is it gay? Well if it's a fully functioning penis, then yeah?

 

But wouldn't it more of "it's just personally disgusting to me", rather than a homosexual behavior? I mean if she is actually biologically female but just happens to be intersexed then I'm not sure how you could justify calling it gay. Unless of course you just mean gay in the more general sense of "icky". :P

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The scenario of penis discovery bothers me a lot less than the fact that this is at least the second time I've seen you do something of this nature.  Like that time you asked if you dated a black dude if it was ok for you to refer to him as my nigga.  Maybe to that individual himself, but you can't ask a collective and get an affirmative for this because no matter who you're sleeping with, I'm not trying to hear any N-bombs out of you.

 

Just as being black doesn't give me a pass in homophobic terminology, being gay doesn't excuse the use of racial epithets.  I ignored it the first time because I know you're generally a good dude, but I figure you might be unaware.

 

Well I mean we can't ever please everyone with our use of language. To be honest these days I find the use of youth slang to be more annoying than I do pejoratives. I'm not going to justify my language, because I don't feel I have to. Just as I don't feel I have to justify the use of Faggot, Cunt, or any other trigger word offensive term people have.

 

They are just words to me, and while I do understand that many of them carry history of serious prejudice and discriminatory (even violent) behavior in different historical eras, I just don't believe at this point in my life that it is worth fretting over the parsing of such language. I personally believe intent behind actions and words is the only important thing about their usage. This was just a playful joke on my part during a moment of being silly, nothing more nothing less.

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I would try to tuck their penis between their vagina and try to fit my penis in whatever crevice forms that's most identical to a vagina. If that fails then I'd tug on their little guy hard enough to see if maybe there's some form or function to their vagina that I could gain access to by using their penis as some lever to a gate.

 

That's some serious effort to avoid having to touch it. ;P

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I personally wouldn't.  ::D::

 

I think this goes back to my question of the other guy, the whole point of the OP was to establish whether or not you wouldn't do so because you think it is gay or just because it would seem gross to you (or both). And also what leads you to that conclusion. I'm just genuinely curious, as I have had some very interesting conversations with lots of straight guys that aren't really aware that true intersexed people exist, and it is a bit mind blowing to hear them try to come up with a solution.

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So, as a gay man, if you met a dude you really liked and they had both sets of genitalia would you eat their pussy?

 

I was actually thinking about that earlier, as turn about is fair play. I don't think I would personally. My reasoning for such is not that it would make me straight however, I just personally detest the aesthetics of the vagina. It is unpleasant for me to look at one, and the few times i've actually been near one in person were rather nauseating moments.

 

I don't mean that to offend you fine ladies, it's just a rather peculiar quirk about myself. I can not stomach the sense of vagina in close proximity. The organ itself not necessarily who it is attached to. As ridiculous as that sounds I think I am something of a vagina phobe, as it presents similiar feelings of unease in me as one would expect to hear of someone's fear of spiders. I also happen to be claustrophobic, and I can say that it is a similiar feeling for me.

 

I'm sure there are other gay males who are not as peculiar towards the vagina as I am though.

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