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No point in doing that. He’s not a programmer

Part of me thinks that catering to the viewers who wouldn’t at least DVR the block so they don’t miss out is a shame. Part of it is the fact that they are still focused on live viewership to get the majority of ad revenue. If you travel but watch on Tuesday, it doesn’t count. Even less so if you don’t watch by 3am. It’s an antiquated system because it heavily draws from the way people used to watch TV. DVR should count for more than it does.

I have a friend who’s a fitness trainer and he hates how people wait until the New Year to start working out. He’s like, “Just start now, why wait”. Its the way modern society has kind of trained people to operate on a calendar. I’m kind of always not understood why certain families only get together or give gifts during holidays or even that's it’s mandated we do so. It’s kind of off if you only reach out to those people then if you really care about them. I started buying my house in August 2012 and it had legal complications because of a will. My realtor told me that if it wasn’t settled by Thanksgiving not you expect it until January. Sure enough January 2nd all my stuff went through and the deal was made. It literally stalled for the whole month of December I’ve never had a family like that so it’s strange to me I guess. The amount of times I see people on January 2nd posting about how hard it is to go back to work after the whole office had 2 weeks off is odd since I didn’t think that many companies can just shut down for 2 weeks either. I didn’t know there were jobs that gave everyone a winter break One reason I think TV goes off during holidays as well is to promote film attendance. After all, many of the networks are part of a corporate entity that releases films as well

I think that was before the simuldub initiative really took off. I think AS was in a position in 2016 to make an arrangement, but they got other titles instead and Funimation started doing their own thing

I hate on this holiday thing personally because I’ve had real life things (buying my house, timely medical treatment for my dying mother) held up “because it’s the holidays” and key people not working the whole month of December. So I’m sorry for my attitude about the whole thing, but I just hate that whole mentality of all normalcy being on pause because it seems like nothing gets done the whole month. I have a job where we don’t get automatic holiday breaks so I never understood it.

Funimation will never allow these shows to premeire on Toonami without Japanese intervention as long as FunimationNow exists. Even for a CR property like Dr. Stone or Mob. They have too much of a reason to hold them back in order to drive traffic to their site

I’m finding more and more cable networks (especially on Sundays) are airing their regular shows weekends before the holiday Like all of these networks Thanksgiving weekend (when they decided to also not air Rick and http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-sunday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-1-2019.html (New Years Weekend 2018) http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-sunday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-30-2018.html (Christmas weekend 2018http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-sunday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-23-2018.html Networks like Bravo, TLC, snd E air new programming on those weekends and have healthy viewership , so I don’t understand why AS has an issue with it when you see other networks can not put their shows on hiatus for 3 weeks. Is it because it’s Saturday and that’s riskier?Is DVR not a factor? So only live viewers matter? I’m guessing it’s because Toonami pays for each airing and they only get one shot to make a rating.

At least in that regard, AMC owns the platform it streams on so it still helps them. In the case of Toonami, FunimationNow (or pirate sites) get the benefit. If it was CR, HBOMAX or AS.com, it’d be a different story

Yeah, but we also don’t have the next 8 episodes of that on a competing streaming service ready to watch the way it’ll eventually air on TV. They’d lose all their viewers

I actually have mentioned that and I think she gets that because it’s a production thing. The episodes don’t exist in dub form yet. But in Toonami’s case, they have them ready to go and are just not airing them because of what we both perceive to be an outdated TV practice when live viewership isn’t the end all be all. It’s particularly frustrating for her when she already is hanging back several episodes to watch with me on the block when the episodes are already dubbed and available. To delay further just makes it seem more of a less efficient way to watch TBH, we record the majority of the block and watch it throughout the week. We’ve also traveled and watched the app while on the go. We would continue to do so every week regardless of a holiday/vacation . So to us, it seems silly to have to pause the block because they feel like “no one watches TV” the 2nd half of December. I’ve mentioned it before, but all the normal shows she watches on other cable networks that air in Sundays continue without interruption as do many AS originals. I don’t understand why Toonami in particular needs to be off 5 days before each holiday.

I hope so. It seems like the reason to get the show was to premeire the 3rd season dub. I don’t know why it happened like this. Similar to GenLock and Mob , we got the first season and can’t premeire the second. Seems like a wasted opportunity

Noted. I do talk to text so it does that. She’s new to anime fandom, prefers dubs, and has a work group who discuss the shows and she constantly gets spoilers because no one watches Toonami besides her. They actually makes fun of her for doing that when even simuldubs are ahead and she could watch those. Black Clover especially ridiculous being 12 (soon to be 14) weeks behind

Got a lot to say about this and I apologize for the long post. As a person who loves the block but is aware of their shortcomings compared to streaming, I’m starting to wonder what they are trying to be: My wife told me that if they do one more marathon, she was abandoning the airings of the Funimation shows because she’s tired of being artificially behind to support a block that doesn’t seem to care about being current. So this actually now will stop us from watching certain shows together unless I do as well. I actually thought they were serious this year about prioritizing at least being current with simuldubs I stress of adhering to these holiday marathons that are 5 days away from the actual holiday. I was hoping they would understand the importantance of at least being somewhat current with streaming. Because of this we are going from a week behind Fire Force to a month and MHA 3 weeks to 5 weeks. And Funimation isn’t stopping at all with those 2. I wonder if Japan will even take off since the episodes air Friday and Saturday - removed from the actual holiday. If you’re someone who watches Toonami only, you start to lag behind the current discussion. I really wanted them to get serious this year about the importance of not falling behind. I know we’ve come a long way, but the need to completely take the shows off for holidays being more important with staying current, just shows how stuck in the past they are. Other networks that air originals on Sundays (including AS) won’t be taking hiatuses. You seldom see cable networks completely shut down. Broadcast is another story. Ratings wise, they may be fine. But it is getting harder to justify Toonami as a viable option to watch new anime when they still cling to the old practices of TV that is becoming obsolete in the age of streaming, DVR, and OD. Of course, this wouldn’t be an issue if Funimation wouldn’t have had them on a delay to begin with.. I know it sounds like a broken record, but I really wanted Toonami to be a real destination for new content and a force in the anime industry rather than just getting the scraps left over from streaming. I think that if streaming isn’t stopping for “holidays” than Toonami shouldn’t either. It just makes them seem more of a relic of the past They really need to get that by doing this stuff, they can lose potential audience who may jump over to the stream. And honestly, they may not want to pay for Funimation, but that’s not where people go. Is Toonami really content just being for the people who don’t know better or don’t care? Maybe they are. Maybe the block isn’t for people like me anymore. Obviously it holds an important place in my fandom and it’s hard to let it go, but it’s hard to justify staying behind when the shows are right there and streaming doesn’t break for the holidays

Nope, the dub of season 3 will be on DVD and all the pirate sites on 2-25 https://www.rightstufanime.com/Food-Wars-The-Third-Plate-Blu-ray

So they would’ve been just fine running the normal lineup

I’ve seen people beg for marathons because they are worried that the block will take a ratings hit. It’s not like it effects their advertising revenue lol. Same for reruns “It’s a waste to run a show at 3:30, they should do a rerun.” I’m like, who cares it’s on! I think it’s a side effect of caring more about how the block does than actually enjoying it. I can see if you want to skip something like Rick and Morty because you can’t watch that ahead somewhere else and there’s MILLIONS of viewers at stake , but when it’s anime that is barely doing 500k what are you risking? We’ve seen holiday weeks do ok with the regular lineup. You don’t want the people to abandon the airing. I did for Clover. It started 3 episodes behind and now it’s more than 10.

This is a left over idea from TV execs who still think people would actually miss their shows because they are at Grandmas house. Live viewers have been down regardless and we are at the point where the opening of the block only does (400 k/ 0.2). We have DVR, OnDemand, and the website. Plus you have 5 of your shows readily available online dubbed from other sources- do we want to give them a reason to jump ship and go there . People will find a way to watch. We were in New York last year and watched shows in our hotel. This idea that people abandon things they are watching because “holidays” means less when people don’t really watch live anyway

That’s what I don’t get, even things that seem to have been negotiated ahead of time don’t get announced until the last minute unless it’s at a con. We have done confirmation of this when it Epcar leaked the Lupin news a month before Momocon where they intended to announce it. Some of these shows that just started in Japan I get needing some extra clearance but still I don’t see why this stuff isn’t worked out with Funimation while a show is being licensed. ”Hey Toonami we are getting this show you might be into this is the concept..interested in airing it?” I think part of the answer is the Japanese side AND then wanting to actually watch an episode or 2 before getting it. ASA did announce things months ahead of time. Upfront would lay out acquisitions for the rest of the year. But of course we didn’t have simuldubs so they had the benefit of having access to the whole show before buying it

Yeah and it needs to stop if it’s on their end. A few months should be standard but at least they aren’t doing it to promote their own platform

I get that. But what I can’t stand, and I feel like I can say this here without getting blasted, is that Funimation purposely pulls this crap to protect their streaming service. They won’t let Toonami announce something until a few weeks after it starts. I understand if Toonami has to wait a few weeks, but allow the viewer to make an informed choice. I started Fire Force and Dr. Stone on FN only for them to be the blocks next show.

What’s funny is that this was planned as far back as August when they decided where to start the season 3 reruns. To me, moving it to the back (and at 10:30) at first seemed more of a way to get it out of the way while the awkward 2 month gap between seasons happened. Originally, the plan was to probably to keep it at 10:30 until season 3 ended, then do the reruns at 4 while cutting the 10:30 slot. The intention was always to get the show out of the way of the other shows to stop multiple schedule shuffles and because they probably didn’t know exactly when they could get the dub on air. But it probably didn’t do what a 10:30 show should and they moved it to the other “out of the way slot”. Hence the “Enough people didn’t watch it where it was” explanation and also the “I’m sure it’ll move back up again at some point”. They always knew they were going to do this. What I’ll never understand is why they can never be upfront about their plans until the last minute. It would e cleared up a lot of confusion

Honestly the other shows post Super were hardly affected. This has been an issue for months

It has to be MHA. Although it could be Mob but I can’t see the huge delay in announcing it.

That’s partly why I consider FunimationNow a main Toonami competitor. They’ll always prioritize it over letting the block dub premeire anything. But regardless they should make an announcement before the season airs whether or not they are getting it. Otherwise I see no reason why anyone who is interested in the show to wait around

I’m talking more about things that are fully available and complete, not stuff that may be a little ahead on streaming. With that, you still are kind of getting fresh content. But with a show like SH, it’s been done and you could go watch the whole thing. I just think they are better getting current season stuff. Even airing the dub when the sub has been done for awhile (Jojo, HxH) doesn’t yield good results. Demon Slayer will have a bit of this problem as well