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Got to see how Super did to see if that also did lower than usual I think that hyped Elon Musk SNL may have diverted some attention away

A worry I think we all have is that no matter how low the numbers get for Super, they'll still believe anything else will just perform worse. its gong to be a catch 22 until they actually try something different

Network just cares about retaining Family Guy and getting the 1200 slot as high as it can be for advertisers

I get it. You kind of feel like an audience who could care less for the block is catered to over the dedicated week in week out fans I feel the same with the holiday rationale. We pause for the people who only watch when it’s convenient for them. You feel a sense of ownership and more things of a right to have things different because at the end of the day you devote more of your time to the block than the casuals. I totally get it. I feel the same about theme parks during the busy season when the tourists who only go on holidays crowd the parks and kind of “take it away from me” for awhile. But remember- the casuals are the majority of the viewership. Still hate that every show suffers the chance at a better timeslot to cater to a rerun

Especially if you’re moving the block back to a time period that just a few months ago was said to did not work. It could very well just not be a good time for viewers to catch it due to going out and not being home.A lot of the viewership work second shift, there’s also dinners out, and movies ect.

Honestly, I don’t know why he felt compelled to say anything. According to him, he doesn’t have a say in the schedule- so he always uses it as an opportunity direct the anger to the programming department while blaming fans for not watching when that wasn’t entirely true. I just wouldn’t say anything rather than talk just so he can say something. He did it too when they had to stop the 7 hour Toonami in 2018. He said something to the effect of “Yeah. I tried to tell Lazzo that wouldn’t work but he insisted on trying it” His own boss. I guess they all have a good relationship

They kind of took a gamble that the fans of the show would follow along (and they did). What wasn’t helpful was Jason’s comments about “well maybe if more people watched at 10:30 it wouldn’t have to move”. A little misleading statement. The show wasn’t doing bad- just not 10:30 good. Earlier in the year they acknowledged 11 was the earliest the block should start- but the “gotta shove Titan in right when it’s done so Funimation can stream it”forced an expansion There was a lot of talk at the time that moving it to 3:30 was in retaliation for Funimation backing out of a deal or something and that “power move” brought them back and we’ve had a bunch of their shows since then. I even heard some talk that it’s what got Toonami season 4 so quickly. Not sure if that was a thing or not- who knows? I think it was just a programming chess move and it had nothing to do with anything else At the time, it did feel like kind of a burn off and we were done with MHA

I want to say that the network made then shift back to 11 because MHA wasn’t performing at 10:30. They also knew they wouldn’t be playing season 4 right after 3 ended. They didn’t know when exactly it would play either. But they didn’t want to shift the whole lineup so they lazily just moved MHA to 3:30 because it basically got it out of the way. There was simply too much else going on with the lineup at the time to do anything else with it if the network wouldn’t let them keep 10:30. They probably weren’t intending to replace it with anything at the time (although they did end up replacing it with Dr. Stone and shoving Lupin down to the death slot)

This is not a way for them to say things like “see? Anime doesn’t perform on weeknights” Everything is working against it

We’re at a point (and probably always have been) where they’ll say that one of the reasons the block continues to be profitable is because they only do the bear minimum of on network promotion and virtually no outside promotion. They are perfectly fine with Toonami just existing and not being any bigger than it is when it comes to acquisitions. The best we got is tweets from the VAs and the company itself. The fact that Toonami has no official Twitter account doesn’t help either. But we never see ads on websites or YouTube. I guess they don’t care to spend to hype up something they don’t own and have unlimited use of. Meanwhile everyone asks “When’s Demon Slayer getting a dub on Netflix?” the strategy for the originals will have to be vastly different.

I saw a video somewhere recently where people were talking to the downfall of CN and how kids aren’t into their shows anymore. One of the hosts talk about how kids are more into things like Demon Slayer. The literally weren’t aware the channel airs it. Granted it’s on AS late at night, but Toonami has the dub premiere of the biggest show right now and they aren’t a driver of its popularity compared to streaming services. Again, I saw so many people asking Funimation “why they haven’t dubbed it yet” since it wasn’t on their app dubbed at the time. So many were unaware of its Toonami airing. The networks advertising doesn’t really make it out of their own orbit. The decline of cable just adds to that Hopefully they get the dub premiere of 2 and they promote that!

I think they may have been offered it and turned it down due to Boruto not working. I can’t see why it’s on multiple other platforms (meaning no exclusive deal) and Toonami not getting while it’s new. That’s the kind of thing you make room for since it’s a big title that’s a sequel to one of your mainstays. They may have it and are saving it for later, but I find the whole thing strange that they wouldn’t have jumped at the opportunity before given the relationship with Viz

That leads me to question why they wouldn’t use it as weeknight filler at some point too

I’d wager to say in the current, “safer” direction the network seems to be taking in preparation of losing FG will make them even less likely to give Super up-even after it finishes. The impending loss for them in the fall will make them cling to every “safe” thing they can. That may be why they were willing to air MHA at front last year but not now. Looking at the upcoming schedule change for AS, it looks likely they’ll concentrate all the airings of Dad and Bob (maybe ditching encores) in the earlier hours just to stay competitive. Without FG it’s an uphill battle and they consider Super the “FG” of Toonami so I think it hangs around- even airing in front of their originals. They value stability over everything If MHA gains on Super regularly , I think they’ll have a harder time defending it. But they’ll stick to the “we see data you don’t” explanation lol

I feel like this is a big transition year for AS. Losing FG means they have to restructure the whole schedule. They seem to be playing it safe by loading up on more American Dad and green lighting more half hour comedies that feel a little more “normal” than the bizarre things they have picked up in the past. It feels like they won’t move away from Dragonball because it’s the surest of sure things and it may be hanging around even after it reaches the end. I don’t think the originals have the “lead show” factor and I can see them insist Super air in front of those as well

If they can somehow time it to where their original projects air relatively close to each other with next seasons of Primal and maybe Ballmastrz premiering at midnight, they could potentially have the lead slot be dedicated to original series for a little bit

Yeah. If they like the show, fine. But I was saying that people who dislike the show (or anything on the block) shouldn’t feel the need live tweet it or make it trend just because it’s on the block. Basically was just trying to tell people who dislike it on the block to ignore it as opposed to being overly upset it’s still airing

Long term that would work out best for them. I think part of their reluctance to change it up is so they don’t have to rethink the least slot whenever a show ends

Yeah. If you go down a few posts, I clarified it’s more on the individuals who live tweet the play by play of the ToP every week rather than the news outlets as a larger entity. That indicates audience engagement

Have you still been posting those? I thought you took a break it was definitely a rushed performance. They didn’t have much time to get those episodes done I called Funimation back in 99 just to see if I could talk to someone there for fun and I talked to a one of the guys running the sound engineering. He said they were pulling office staff to play Namekians and civilians lol I’m guessing Schemmel couldn’t be paid to fly out to record. It’s so blatantly obvious and not smooth at all when the transition happens. Sabats characters are a rough transition when they switch too. People who watch the Orange Bricks ask why the voices change suddenly. I think what happened is they just ran out of time and went “good enough”. From what I recall Sabat and Strait intended to carry it all the way. As to why Sabat didn’t even try to touch Piccolo- they should’ve just done it for an episode. That way they’d have an in story reason to transition from his “King Piccolo Jr” voice to his mid Z rougher voice, his fusion with Nail

That’s kind of what I mean. Every live tweet means someone is watching it I don’t mean so much the sites that out out automated tweets when shows start but if you’re actively watching it tweeting out things like “Wow! This thing just happened in the ToP. # Dragonball Super #Toonami” that shows them active audience engagement with the show. If you like the show, fine. But if you’re doing it out of some obligation to Toonami, you’re just telling them you’re watching it. Basically, the best thing you can do if you hate Super on the block is to completely ignore it. At the very minimum, you are taking 30 minutes of your life back. I’ve been tuning in at 12:30 since the rerun started. That’s all I do. I don’t stress about it, I just ignore it. If they ever replace it with a new show- great! If not, I’ll just keep ignoring it lol The best we can hope for is MHA beating Super regularly

I don’t care so much about whether people are counted toward Nielsen. But I have you ask myself why so many in the “Toonami” online community actively live tweet Super or even Tweet that it’s about to start when they are against the show being on the block. I feel like it’s out of obligation to hype up everything the block airs no matter how much they hate it. The community shouldn’t help the show trend if they don’t want it on the block

I would just ignore Super and pretend Toonami starts at 12:30. I see a lot of the fanbase complaining about it, but still watching it, live tweeting it during the whole show, ect. It seems like collectively as a fanbase we don’t like this show airing on the block, yet there still seems to be this need hype up everything the block is airing. That’s a metric that contributes to it continuing to air. I can see the casual viewers do it, but a lot the same people who hate that it’s airing feel the need to actually promote its airing all the way through the show just because it’s on Toonami. Everyone should just start saying “Watch Toonami, Saturday Nights from 12:30-4:00” 😂

It also doesn’t have the Dale Kelly “monster truck rally” narrations that the fan base think is awesome I would love for them to air the original unaltered dub. Funimation (and many of the actors) would rather forget that existed. Because they redid so much of the Freeza fight, no one remembers how different Vegeta and Krillin sounded originally. Sonny Strait told me in a convo once that he wishes he could re-record his whole Z performance. I think so many people think the remastered dub is what they watched in 1999.

Well I think you really hit the nail on the head here J. The original purpose of a block like Toonami is to kind of raise the awareness of shine and bring these shows more exposure. Shows right now are doing that just on their own. Toonami the dub premiere rights to what is becoming the biggest somehow right now, Demon Slayer. I’ve seen so many asking for the last year why the show doesn’t have a dub yet. It’s literally aired on TV twice and so few people knew about it. I wonder if Toonami during the first season didn’t know what a hit they had. They decided to premiere it at 1:30 AM. I really hope the make a bigger deal if they get the season 2 dub premiere. Even for shows that the dub premiere for, people don’t mind watching the sub version so they can keep up with the conversation and avoid spoilers. I did this myself this season. I don’t mind watching again in English, but I know many who won’t bother. It’s funny how even a few weeks is too long now given how quick the industry moves now. People are already on to the next thing by the time that dub hits Even for the people who are aware of what Toonami is doing, it seems like they’d rather wait for things to be entirely done and on a streaming platform (which are more wide reaching these days as well) The real tipping point will be when Japanese companies like TOEI see streaming as a better exposure vehicle than TV. Imagine if they would rather give a streamer an exclusive deal on the next DB series instead of AS? Thankfully they are still dinosaurs